Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Scuderia Non Originale

"... the issue is that since the club and phrase have not received coverage in reliable sources ..."

It appears that you are not familiar with the San Jose Mercury News, Silicon Valley's main source of news for more than 50 years. It also appears that you are not familiar with VeloceToday, the very popular on-line magazine for Italian and French car enthusiasts. I know both because I am a car enthusiast who understands not only cars, but the language of the automotive world. If you were to look me up in the Library of Congress, you would find a number of books and magazines edited by me. Six of my books have been sold to automobile mechanics for decades. Just as you didn't mean to sound harsh, I don't mean to brag, only to point out that I've made a living with words for a long, long time.

You write that a few people on the internet are not enough to provide credibility for the Scuderia article. I agree, so I'm going to suggest that before you do anything else, you go to the SNO website and take a look at how many countries are represented by its members: http://www.gwandrw.com/sno-membership-list/

When editing copy about a subject you know little or nothing about, you cannot be accurate or effective without first doing your homework. In this case, that includes examining the quality of the forums that are listed in the article. Discounting them without knowing anything about them is very poor form, even on a volunteer website like Wikipedia. By actually checking out the listed sources and SNO content, you'll find that people from all over the world hunt down the club to sign up. That alone should be enough to convince a fair-minded person that the SNO article describes a movement of consequence.

If that's still not enough to save the article, perhaps it's time to discuss how words acquire new meanings and popular phrases are coined. Having been in publishing for many years, I can tell you that our English lexicon is not defined in the staff meetings of "major source" publications. Individuals determine how words are used as they communicate with one another about things that matter to them. Whether the words are first used in a popular movie or in a popular forum is not what matters. What counts is how many people begin to apply the new meaning to a word or phrase. I expect that very few "major sources" will ever use "non originale" because very few major sources write in depth about things that matter to we who are automotive enthusiasts. Fortunately, clubs and forums exist to take up the slack. The fact that the latest Hollywood heart throb doesn't mention scuderia non originale on the Jon Stewart show says absolutely nothing about the phrase or how many people around the world are using it.

In closing, your honor, I'd like the article to remain on Wiki, but if it doesn't so be it. ScuderiaNOman (talk) 08:54, 18 December 2014 (UTC)