Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Sheepskin boots

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 * comment Thank you Anarchangel for stating the obvious, it is very clear now that it is the Australian editors that have their own POV that just cannot accept that this is a global encyclopedia and should not be used to push their own agenda. The original article that I submitted was just a beginning and I welcomed other editors to help in the writing of this article.   this version The editing that has gone on over the last few days by some is very telling that they cannot and should not participate here. In one edit, Gnangarra notes "remove non notable brands, add other Ugg manufacturers". It is Gnangarra's "opinion" that EMU who are the 2nd largest manufacturer of this style and sold in over 60 countries is not notable! Several other international brands were removed including Celtic, an originator in the UK who sold their UK "UGG" trademark to Deckers and "Overland" who are an American company manufacturing this exact style of sheepskin since the early 1970s. Uggs N Ruggs was added however, this Australian company cannot sell "legally" outside of Australia (due to their name) and really does not belong in this "Global" page on 'sheepskin boots". I have never suggested that the history of "Ugg boots" in Australia be changed or amended, only that the global, generic name "sheepskin boots" get its own page. Can we please bring in some senor editors that can lock down this article and help tweak the content in a factual and unbiased manner? --Illume1999 (talk) 13:05, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * comment WP:NOTABILITY is as defined by the Wikipedia community. As for your claim Uggs-N-Rugs cannot sell outside of Australia (due to their name), Illume1999 obviously you have access to information that isnt in the public arena please provide that proof. You say Ugg boots are sheepskin boots but when you wrote the article you ignored the history of Sheepskin boots in Australia prior to 1970 and only wrote what was has been the company line of Deckers. see this version or there this version on the Ugg boot talk page and yet another version was posted at the alternative capitilisation, those action are a very clear example of POV peddling. Gnangarra 13:49, 8 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - Gnangarra, I have changed that to "Legally" sell... I was using research on counterfeiting etc as as Deckers have trademarks all over the world. As the Australians are very aware of this,I was just relaying that due to Deckers trademarks, Australian companies are calling them "Sheepskin boots" or "Australian sheepskin boots". This has been well established. Additionally, I did not ignore any history and asked for help on my "Draft". If editors could "tweak" the article with factual points to help this along, we would have this completed by now. --Illume1999 (talk) 14:10, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * comment so now your accusing a company of operating illegally, seriously you should be removing/appologising for such claims or at the very least be providing proof those are serious allegations your making in a very public forumn. I'd suggest you put your shovel away and stop digging the whole is getting very deep and murky Gnangarra 14:22, 8 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - Here is a quote from the owner of Uggs-N-Rugs "The McDougalls claim to have lost 90 percent of their international business since 2004. Their daughter gave up entirely after Deckers shut down her eBay business. “Almost anyone who sells anything with the word ug, ugg or ugh is infringing on their trademark,” Bronwyn says. “There’s no argument.”" http://magazine.wsj.com/features/behind-the-brand/the-golden-fleece/3/ --Illume1999 (talk) 14:42, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * very nice quote but that doesnt support you claim Uggs-N-Rugs cannot sell outside of Australia (due to their name) or your updated claim cannot sell "legally" outside of Australia (due to their name) I again ask you provide something that supports your assertions or withdraw them. Gnangarra 15:13, 8 April 2011 (UTC)