Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Sheree Silver (2nd nomination)

Off-topic discussion

 * WP:CANVAS Ms. Rose, I am a little confused, you accuse the creator of this article of canvassing, by notifying one editor, with what User:AndrewHowse calls a "personal attack":
 * I noticed that you're doing inappropriate canvassing/begging here and relentless crying here. Such tricks will not save your hopeless piece of junk from getting what it truly deserves. Stop manipulating and idiotizing people. This kind of preschool psychologizing to win them over your lost cause will never work because Wikipedia is full of really smart folks. Chill and let fate take its course. You are just irritating everybody. What a pathetic nuisance you have proven to be! (emphasis my own)
 * And yet, you have canvassed 6 editors yourself. Can you explain this blatant discrepency in your canvassing accusations/personal attacks and your own canvassing? Ikip (talk) 10:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't really know anything about Wikipedia policy, do you? There is absolutely nothing wrong with canvassing, in fact when you nominate an article for deletion it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the articles (educate yourself with WP:AFD). And I have never accused Spring12 of canvassing. What I said quite explicitly, if you only knew how to read, was inappropriate canvassing and, to be quite specific, campaigning, which is defined as an attempt to sway the person reading the message, through the use of non-neutral tone, wording, or intent. and to justify this let me refer you (again, as a link is already provided above) of what he said here "Hey, Chzz, you helped me with the article Sheree Silver a few days ago' (it was a request for feedback). If you get a chance, you're welcome to participate in Articles_for_deletion/Sheree_Silver_(2nd_nomination)." To remind an editor that he once helped you with an article that is now being nominated for deletion is tantamount to saying "Hey, some people want to demolish what we worked for." Now go through my invites and try to find anything that comes even close to swaying an editors decision. You call yourself Ikip (I keep), which implies that you're here to vote keep to every article in an AfD indescriminately, and your edit history proves this. That is why your position should be ignored in every AfD. You're a nonsense person in Wikipedia, and you're one of the reasons why so much garbage don't get thrown out. You are ignorant, impertinent and absolutely useless. – Shannon Rose (talk) 16:25, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to remove your own comments and personal attacks : You are ignorant, impertinent and absolutely useless. but you are not allowed to delete my edits. Please refrain from such behavior or you maybe blocked for another 55 hours. Ikip (talk) 22:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

The six notifications provided by, listed above, are to participants in the first deletion debate. Everyone who commented to that page was notified except:, who was already aware; , who performed the WP:DELSORT but did not otherwise participate; , who was apparently Spring12 accidentally posting while logged out; , who has made exactly four edits, and has not been active since the first debate; and , the closing administrator. I have not bothered to check the other notifications, but the one I received read:

== AfD for Sheree Silver ==

Articles_for_deletion/Sheree_Silver_(2nd_nomination). Please be informed. – Shannon Rose (talk) 19:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

A neutral notification to all relevant parties is entirely appropriate under the canvassing guidelines, as well as being polite. - Eldereft (cont.) 16:56, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I have had no objections to notifications (I left neutral messages to members of the deletion review, as Shannon had already notified AFD participants, I believe). Because Chzz participated in a "Request for Feedback", I invited him as a contributor (and I explained why I was inviting him in my message). After reading Shannon Rose's comments, however, I promptly removed my comment on Chzz's page with this edit: . The only other notification (I think) I have made was to a user who contributed shortly after the deletion discussion began (but hadn't commented yet): . Besides the WP:NPA, canvassing here shouldn't be an issue. Spring12 (talk) 17:12, 5 April 2009 (UTC)