Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Stereotypes of Jews (2nd nomination)

= Closing administrator rationale = 
 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  Keep. If you choose to add comments, or wish to point out errors or make counter-arguments, DO SO IN A SEPARATE SECTION. DO NOT interrupt my comments in this section.  Jerry  delusional ¤ kangaroo 06:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Raw count analysis

 * Delete
 * 1) User:Seresin (3 edits)
 * 2) User:Inclusionist (27 edits)
 * 3) User:Badger_Drink
 * 4) User:Yossiea
 * 5) User:Sceptre (3 edits)
 * 6) User:B
 * 7) User:L'Aquatique (3 edits)
 * 8) User:Rlendog
 * 9) User:ChildofMidnight
 * 10) User:AniMate (3 edits)
 * 11) User:ScienceApologist
 * 12) User:TreasuryTag
 * 13) User:Carnildo
 * 14) User:QuiteUnusual
 * 15) User:Stifle
 * 16) User:Benjiboi (2 edits)
 * 17) User:StonerDude420
 * 18) User:Orangemarlin (4 edits)
 * 19) User:Crohnie
 * 20) User:Lazulilasher (2 edits)
 * 21) User:Mathsci
 * 22) User:Avraham (2 edits)
 * 23) User:LeadSongDog (2 edits)
 * 24) User:Dougweller
 * 25) User:Shot_info (2 edits)
 * 26) User:Arthur_Rubin
 * 27) User:Wildhartlivie
 * 28) User:Antandrus
 * 29) User:Ecoleetage
 * 30) User:Enigmaman (2 edits)
 * 31) User:Anthony.bradbury (3 edits)
 * 32) User:IZAK (2 edits)
 * 33) User:Olve Utne
 * 34) User:LisaLiel (3 edits)
 * 35) User:Yoavd
 * 36) User:Yehoishophot_Oliver
 * 37) User:Gilabrand
 * 38) User:Jfdwolff


 * Keep
 * 1) User:Deeceevoice (29 edits)
 * 2) User:MuZemike
 * 3) User:Malik_Shabazz (5 edits)
 * 4) User:DGG
 * 5) User:SmokeyJoe (2 edits)
 * 6) User:Colonel_Warden (2 edits)
 * 7) User:S_Marshall (3 edits)
 * 8) User:Pawyilee (2 edits)
 * 9) User:Warren (4 edit)
 * 10) User:Casliber (4 edits)
 * 11) User:Edison
 * 12) User:Die4Dixie (7 edits)
 * 13) User:Ice_Cold_Beer
 * 14) User:Malcolm Schosha (2 edits)
 * 15) User:Wikidemon (2 edits)
 * 16) User:JoshuaZ
 * 17) User:Themfromspace
 * 18) User:Raitchison
 * 19) User:Wassermann
 * 20) User:Kingturtle (2 edits)
 * 21) User:TheRedPenOfDoom
 * 22) User:Yonkeltron
 * 23) User:Phil_Bridger (2 edits)


 * Merge/Redirect
 * 1) User:WLU (2 edits)
 * 2) User:DanielRigal
 * 3) User:Short_Brigade_Harvester_Boris (2 edits)


 * Undeterminable
 * 1) User:Squidfryerchef (2 edits)
 * 2) User:Jayrav (3 edits)
 * 3) User:Gzuckier
 * 4) User:Juzhong (4 edits)
 * 5) User:Uncle_G (3 edits)
 * 6) User:Dance_With_The_Devil (3 edits)


 * Non-participatory
 * 1) User:76.66.198.171
 * 2) User:141.156.32.128
 * 3) User:173.52.25.24
 * 4) User:206.213.209.31
 * 5) User:Jerry

Arguments

 * Delete
 * WP:V
 * WP:NOR
 * POV magnet
 * linkfarm
 * non-encyclopedic
 * unsourced
 * negative
 * causes grief
 * not useful
 * bad
 * needs improvement
 * DICDEF
 * no helpful content
 * not scholarly enough
 * inadequate citations
 * not good enough
 * not enough effort
 * offensive
 * brings discredit to the project
 * crap
 * arbitrary
 * unintelligent
 * WP:IDONTLIKEIT
 * it is a mess
 * true but not fair
 * poorly written
 * WP:POVFORK


 * Keep
 * WP:OTHERSTUFF
 * verifiable
 * article improved during AFD
 * sufficient notability
 * sourceable
 * WP:IMPERFECT
 * WP:BEFORE
 * WP:SIZE
 * WP:NOT
 * part of a series of articles
 * encyclopedic

Rough consensus
This is certainly an AfD where the raw vote count does not manage to get the overall flavor of the debate. Much of the opinion supporting deletion was of the "I don't like it" variety (it is offensive, causes grief, is crap, doesn't even deserve a comment, et cetera). The rest was related to a current state of the article and neglected to allow for improvement, which actually did happen. Even the nominator changed their mind about their comments regarding sourcing of the content. Some of the delete comments were outright against policy, and others were contrary to facts in evidence. (eg. "There are no sources at all") WP:BEFORE is a great resource for editors to consult prior to nominating or !voting for the deletion of an article.

Those who opined for keep, as a group, demonstrated that the content of this article is encyclopedic, can be sourced, is notable, and can be maintained and improved. Decision therefore is keep. Jerry  delusional ¤ kangaroo 06:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

= Other comments =

Merging of both AfDs: Mea Culpa
The nominator agreed to close the AfD after I edited and cleaned up the article. I closed it, then afterwards, EdJohnston wrote me:
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== AfD may have been closed prematurely ==

Hello Inclusionist. You closed Articles for deletion/Stereotypes of Jews (2nd nomination) due to nominator withdrawal, yet this is not supposed to be done if anyone else has expressed a delete opinion. Now someone in the 3rd nomination (deleted by Jerry) is complaining that a new AfD was started so soon after the close of the previous one. It's extra unusual for you as an AfD participant to be the one to do the close, unless it's an obvious uncontroversial SNOW situation with no contrary votes. You'd be able to fix this if you would undo your close, and perhaps even combine the comments. If you stand by the close of AfD 2, please add your signature there. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 05:09, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
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So I went ahead and merged both AfDs, sorry for the confusion. travb (talk) 08:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Threats and a punitive AfD
Actually, it would seem User: Inclusionist's -- alias User: travb -- motives are not as stated above. I direct those interested to the following diff of a comment made to me on my user talk page.

travb was intent on "collapsing" a list of suggested topics for inclusion in the article which I contributed because he didn't want to "offend" people. And I objected to the hiding of information I thought useful to framing the article. It was my refusal to have my comments obscured that prompted the reopening of this AfD. Censorship -- plain and simple. And it is punitive. For those wishing additional information, I refer them to the article talk page space. deeceevoice (talk) 17:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Contribution history for the errant 3rd afd page
(cur) (last) 08:10, 3 January 2009 Inclusionist (Talk | contribs | block) (82 bytes) (see last note) (rollback | undo) (cur) (last) 08:09, 3 January 2009 Inclusionist (Talk | contribs | block) (82 bytes) (reopening 2nd deletion, moving all comments to this second deletion, sorry for the confusion. It was my mistake, see my talk page for explanation) (undo) (cur) (last) 07:30, 3 January 2009 AniMate (Talk | contribs | block) (5,344 bytes) (delete) (undo) (cur) (last) 06:55, 3 January 2009 ChildofMidnight (Talk | contribs | block) (5,027 bytes) (→Stereotypes of Jews: delete) (undo) (cur) (last) 06:27, 3 January 2009 Rlendog (Talk | contribs | block) (4,819 bytes) (delete) (undo) (cur) (last) 05:31, 3 January 2009 L'Aquatique (Talk | contribs | block) m (4,545 bytes) (→Stereotypes of Jews: sign) (undo) (cur) (last) 05:31, 3 January 2009 L'Aquatique (Talk | contribs | block) (4,250 bytes) (+ delete) (undo) (cur) (last) 05:26, 3 January 2009 DGG (Talk | contribs | block) (3,949 bytes) (→Stereotypes of Jews) (undo) (cur) (last) 05:26, 3 January 2009 Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs | block) (3,714 bytes) (delete) (undo) (cur) (last) 05:22, 3 January 2009 Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs | block) (3,335 bytes) (listed at Judaism deletion sorting) (undo) (cur) (last) 05:07, 3 January 2009 Dance With The Devil (Talk | contribs | block) (2,978 bytes) (undo) (cur) (last) 05:05, 3 January 2009 Casliber (Talk | contribs | block) (2,729 bytes) (delete) (undo) (cur) (last) 04:57, 3 January 2009 B (Talk | contribs | block) (2,372 bytes) (delete) (undo) (cur) (last) 04:53, 3 January 2009 Dance With The Devil (Talk | contribs | block) (2,120 bytes) (undo) (cur) (last) 04:46, 3 January 2009 S Marshall (Talk | contribs | block) (1,885 bytes) (→Stereotypes of Jews) (undo) (cur) (last) 04:44, 3 January 2009 Dance With The Devil (Talk | contribs | block) (1,570 bytes) (Keep) (undo) (cur) (last) 04:44, 3 January 2009 S Marshall (Talk | contribs | block) (1,437 bytes) (Weak keep) (undo) (cur) (last) 04:33, 3 January 2009 Sceptre (Talk | contribs | block) (1,015 bytes) (Creating deletion discussion page for Stereotypes of Jews. (TW))