Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Talakaipau

Sorry I messed up the AfD. I will continue on but must go back and re-read where I messed it up. The article is biased to the original editor story. There is no inline citation and the sources does not verify her story.Original researched with no independent verification.

This article is linked to the Deleted page: Namoa. This article should have been nominated together with the Namoa page for deletion.Puakatau (talk) 22:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Recomended for Deletion:

The author Lolopapalangi/Anacrossan have used this article Talakaipau and Hala 'o Vave to insert her own claim for the Namoa as King story in which editors have agreed and deleted the Namoa article for WP:Verifiable WP:Sources WP:Original research.

The Articles Nuku'alofa, Hala 'o Vave, Kolomotu'a, Talakaipau are all vehicles used by the same author to make the riculous claim that was deleted in the Namoa article. We have amended the Nuku'alofa and Kolomotu'a articles and the Namoa article was deleted after the AfD discussion. Hala 'o Vave, Talakaipau and other articles may be used by the author to host her discredit claim that was deleted before by the editors consensus.

In that case, this article is only a vehicle for the same claimed that was deleted for after three years no one can verified Anacrossan claims and she did not even verified her claim with inline citation.Puakatau (talk) 15:20, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

STOP THE LIES PUAKATAU !

Look what I have written on the article was the facts. Talakaipau Residence was the heredidary residence of Tupou ( a.k.a Namoa in his childhood) who known as Siosaia Tupou ( King Siosaia Tupou 1830-45). Peni Tupou(Siosaia Tupou grandson) is still the registered owner of Talakaipau residence to this date.

I think it's hilarious how Puakatau is running around and recruit supports to delete this article, Talakaipau and others. As based from his lies and made up stories!

You know what I do not give a damn! Go ahead and delete!

Anacrossan (talk) 06:30, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

VERIFY YOUR CLAIM WITH INLINE CITATION

Anacrossan we have ask so many times to verify your story with inline citations and it has been years and you have not done that. I have look if I can do that and the sources verify that Aleamotu'a was King Tupou from 1826 to 1845.

Recommend for deletion for WP: Verify, WP: Sources, WP: Original research

The King Siosaia Tupou is Aleamotu'a who was baptised as Josiah Tupou who was King in 1826 to 1845. Puakatau (talk) 16:34, 21 September 2010 (UTC) False claim Puakatau ! No such name as: Siosaia Tupou Aleamotu'a. Aleamotu'a died still known as Aleamotu'a. Even any Government of Tonga documents recorded as Aleamotu'a never as Siosaia Tupou ! Stop the lies Puakatau! However you may not able to help it because lies and being a thief is in your genes and its part of your heredidary.Anacrossan (talk) 05:50, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Get your facts right !

The claim by Puakatau, that Aleamotu'a is Siosaia Tupou is unfounded. Early missionaries documentations and any early douments never mentioned that Aleamotu'a was Siosaia Tupou !

Tupou who was known as Namoa in his childhood stage was the initial owner and holder of the title Siosaia Tupou. Siosaia Tupou, residence is Talakaipau residence. Siosaia Tupou(Tupou) son and male heir, Siaosi Niumeitolu inherit Talakaipau Residence when his father Siosaia Tupou( a.k.a. Namoa in his childhood) died. Siosaia Tupou's grandson Peni Tupou is the title holder and owner of Talakaipau residence to this date.

Aleamotu'a and even his heirs and descendants never hold the title, Siosaia Tupou. This is contradicting to Puakatau's claim that Aleamotu'a and even his heirs hold the title, Siosaia Tupou. This is an invention and made up stories by Puakatau!

I do not care is you delete the article ! Go ahead ! I just find it quite disqusting the biasness of the decision to delete the article and other articles just because Puakatau ask for it! Just because some rubbish and false information provided by Puakatau !

Well, quite an unfair and stupid decision! Delete it and delete other article. That serves Puakatau's filthy and poisonous objectives. Let Puakatau replace all articles including other article he has stolen from other authors with his own false and made up stories.

This may be my last discussion in this. Delete it what are you waiting for!!

Too much talk and rubbish from Puakatau !

Anacrossan (talk) 05:44, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

VERIFICATION

This is an independent verification of what I have come to conclude:

1. That Aleamotu'a was the born name of the King or Tu'i Kanokupolu.

2. That the King is addressed as Tupou, as Vason and Thomas recorded the Tuku'aho and Taufa'ahau installation.

3. Mary Moala that Mr Thomas recorded as the wife of the King Tupou or Josiah Tupou was Melemoala the wife of Aleamotu'a from Felemea.

There are hundreds of Verification for Aleamotu'a as King from 1826-1845 and known as Aleamotu'a, Tupou or Josiah Tupou.

If Anacrossan only put up one piece for Namoa I will have to look into it. But as the Namoa article was deleted by the administrators as after 3 years of writing her story, Anacrossan have not verified her story...lol..

Verification

1. "Josiah Tupou, bapitised thus in 1830 (Lawry 1850:238). Was also named Aleamotua and Tupouifaletuipapai (Gifford 1929:87). In 1826 he was appointed as Tui Kanokupolu – the hereditary title of the present King of Tonga – and he died in 1845."

By: Schütz, Albert J, The diaries and correspondence of David Cargill, by David Cargill, 1832–1843; 1937 ,page 26

2. "Aleamotu‘a’s main worry was that the non-Christian chiefs would reject him as the possible successor to the title of the Tu‘i Kanokupolu. He was installed on 7 December 1827 as Tu‘i Kanokupolu but continued worshipping in secret. However six months later he determined to confront the intimidation of the non Christian chiefs and began to attend worship publicly. He was baptised on 10th January 1830, taking the name of Josiah, together with his three sons and two daughters in the presence of a congregation of six hundred at the chapel in Nuku‘alofa."

By: Niumeitolu Heneli T., The State and the Church, the state of the Church of Tonga, 2007; www.era.lib.ed.ac.uk/bitstream/1842/2236/2/HNiumeitolu_PhD.pdf, page 129

3. In September 1833 Thomas complained of Aleamotu‘a extending his rule to the church, “Tupou has behaved as though he wished to be a Pope,” he wrote.

By: Niumeitolu Heneli T., The State and the Church, the state of the Church of Tonga, 2007; www.era.lib.ed.ac.uk/bitstream/1842/2236/2/HNiumeitolu_PhD.pdf, page 131

4. “Le Vicaire apostolique n'hésita donc pas à descendre dans la grande île avec le P. Chevron; et, comme l'usage le demandait, il alla d'abord à Noukou-Alofa, où, sous le titre de Toui-Kano-Kopolou, résidait celui qu'on regardait comme le chef de la féodalité tongienne, sous la haute suzeraineté du Toui-Tonga. Le titulaire du moment était Aléa-Matoua, appelé Sosaïa depuis son baptême wesleyen ; son nom a été prononcé dans l'exposé de la guerre de Péa.”

By: Monfat A, Les Tonga; ou, Archipel des Amis et le R. P. Joseph Chevron de la Société de Marie, 1893, page 184

5. This group of Tahitian, with their checkered record, formed a significant bridgehead at Nuku'alofa for the entry of the Wesleyan, whose discouragement border on despair, until they found in Aleamotu'a (Tupou) at Nuku'alofa the chiefly sponsored they needed. By: Garret John, To Live Among the Stars; Origin of Christianity in Oceania, 1982. page 71

6. Fale Tuipapai: Houses laid out in order. The vault, in which is buried King Josiah Tupou (Aleamotua), in the cemetery ...[fale, house; tui, placed; papal, laid out in order].

By: Willowdean Chatterson Handy; 1922; Tattooing in the Marquesas; ‎Page 56

Anacrossan if you dont get it by now, then we are not surprized as it must be genetics....lol..Puakatau (talk) 05:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Talakaipau is the west side of the Royal Palace

I believe it is actually TALA KAE PAU.

Namoa was never a King as the list by the Palace Office or any Official History are:

Tupouto'a; 17th Tu'i Kanokupolu

Aleamotu'a; 18th Tu'i Kanokupolu

Taufa'ahau; 19th Tu'i Kanokupolu

Where does Namoa fit in as King? Just want to know Namoa could be King Kong...lol..Puakatau (talk) 05:56, 23 September 2010 (UTC)