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Fascinating that someone from Ireland has read about the Norconian

Hello, was most interested to find you would like to delete my entry, didn't know that was how the system worked. The article as time permits will be fleshed out dramatically with the primary purpose being to let people know about one of the great California Historical Resources. Our reason is the main building is in terrible danger of being "demo'd by neglect" and we want people to know about the site and hopefully scream support.

The Norconian Resort (1928-1941) is a rather forgotten (though not lately), yet legendary site. In the last year it has gained a great deal of attention on a national level. The main building (club/hotel/meeting rooms/indoor pools/AAU outdoor qualifying pools) plus another building (Tea Room)rests within the confines of a state prison (California Rehabilitation Center), while sixteen other structures rest outside the prison within a Navy base (NAVSEA). All of these buildings, structures and features (a man made lake, Chauffeurs Quarters, Lake Pavilion,Tea House,garden bridge, original landscaping, etc.) are listed on the National Register of Historic Places (always a basic place to start when doing professional research). Most amazing is all are still standing except a 19th building (laundry) which was torn down due to a Navy policy of when they build one building another has to come down. The one they chose was a magnificent example of Art Deco/Spanish Revival Architecture and designed by G. Stanley Wilson who was the last to work on the National Landmark Mission in Riverside, California.

In 1941 the United States Navy purchased the resort in Sept-Oct and on December 8,1941 the resort was commissioned the United States Naval Hospital in Corona (the hospital was actually in the town of Norco, but, the post was Corona based, so Corona). The first patients were from Pearl Harbor and literally were housed and treated in the luxurious rooms of the former resort. The facility was quickly altered and expanded to include isolation wards (the hospital was the designated national tubercular and malaria treatment center for the United States as well as the Naval Pacific Coast Polio facility, a 200,000sq ft ward addition (which was christened by Eleanor Roosevelt), a marvelous chapel, complete theater, gymnasium (where wheelchair basketball was born), a nurses quarters, corpsman quarters, etc. At the hospital's peak (1945) over 5000 patients were being treated. Many firsts occurred at the hospital; first use of penicillin for tubercular patients, first uses of polio vaccine outside of Pittsburgh, first hand held x-ray machines, etc. Many of the stars who frequented the resort now frequently entertained the patients. The hospital closed temporarily in 1949 and re-opened in 1950 for the Korean War. During this closure the Naval Weapons Assessment Center was born and soon became one of the finest top-secret think tanks in the nation. The hospital closed for good in 1957, however the Naval Assessment Center remained. In 1962, 94 northern acres were given to the state of California and on that site was born the California Rehabilitation Center; the first state funded addiction treatment program in the nation. This voluntary program (addicts had a choice of prison or CRC)moved into the old resort club house, the northern wards, north wing, chapel, gymnasium, nurses quarters, etc. Unfortunately, there was a battle of attitudes; correction version rehabilitation and corrections won. The prison quickly moved from low security to high medium and 5000 of the worst of the worst reside within truly historic walls. In 2004, the main clubhouse was abandoned and now sits behind twenty foot high fences. Water is destroying this amazing building.

At this point, I would recommend you go to www.lakenorconianclub.org and look at some of the media and information about the site.

Regarding documentation - The book you spoke of is based on exhaustive research (I literally reviewed every copy of three local papers from 1915-1955, and the two others to present day, over 80 interviews (including former guests, employees, corpsman, nurses, doctors, guards, administrators, programers, local, long time residents, and the family of Rex Clark who originally build the resort (his daughter (98) and grandson (74)). Further, over 2,500 hundred photos and negatives have been uncovered through all of the above and from the National Archives, the Bureau of Medicine and Surgery, UCLA, USC, Amateur athletic Foundation, Pittsburgh University and over 30 other libraries and special collections. Further, over 5000 historical documents have been uncovered that literally tell the story of the Norconian from beginning to end.

The brief blurb posted is minuscule given the tremendous history of the site who's National designation is the Lake Norconian Club Historic District. Recently, the California State Historic Preservation Commission gave support to expanding the National Register to include the Navy buildings (1941-1957), the early years of NAVSEA and the first 3 years of CRC and no doubt will support elevating status from a local level to National Landmark designation.

A great deal of this information is now online (though I probably know more than anyone about the site) and would recommend if truly interested to buy the book "The Norconian Resort". There are two other books due out with other publishers and a great deal of media (you might also purchase the "The Norconian" episode of California Gold with Huell Howser. norcobash - Kevin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Norcobash (talk • contribs) 23:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC) [edit]
 * Before you advise me on how to work on Wikipedia, I strongly prefer you to visit my other nominations on this very page. This is the only nomination that was challenged. I have been working here as a good-nominator for a long time. I don't have that prejudice that I will keep supporting my own nomination even if it is wrong. In past, whenever I found my mistake or someone showed me that I was wrong, I instantly withdrawn my nomination and I readily helped active editors of that article in whatever the way I could. I am here for the betterment of Wikipedia and not for any personal reason. You are new here and I am sure gradually you'll understand how does it actually work. One little advise from my side. Try to be tolerant. As far I know Ireland is a part of the world and interment makes it so small that you can be anywhere in this world just by a mouse click :-). Oh, by the way, don't try to send any further request to retrieve my user-account password. Trust me, it won't help you at all. Cheers! -- Niaz  (Talk •  Contribs)  09:12, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

What is a user password?

As you stated Ireland has the internet and a simple mouseclick would indeed have let you know a great deal about the subject that I have written; for instance the listing of the resort on the National Register which has just about as stringent a requirement for notibility as any in the world - most certainly far beyond most standards. Respectfuly, not many soccer stadiums make that relatively small catalog. Unlike your mis-step, my ignorant and arrogant mistake was too quickly attempting to list a topic with the notion I could take my time before such odd scrutiny would take place. I am still not happy with the listing, but, given this unfamiliar terrain and your call for deletion, I felt my notibility standard must be made apparent very quickly. I am assuming from your response, we have an understanding about my listing.

Given your comment regarding a "user password", I would again recommend you research before you speak. I take what I do very seriously whether listed in wikipedia or in any information forum and my goal is not to see whether my research will stand up and make wikipedia a better tool, but, will stand up anywhere. Regarding a "user password" I have no idea what you are referring to unless, as I clumsily navigated to communicate with you I unknowingly pushed some button that triggered heaven knows what. Most assuredly I had no intent to glean such information much less the knowledge to do so; quite honestly I suspect you are aware of that. Perhaps someone else offended by your quick judgement? I respectfully stand behind my earlier comments that your past statements should be looked at (I have no idea by who) and hope you will elevate your comments and actions quite a distance upward to a more scholarly plateau.

Regarding tolerance, we're pretty friendly in these parts and generally greet the new kids on the block with a friendly howdy and show them the ropes. "Deletion" is a pretty cold word and it's use has dimmed my excitement about listing with wikipedia. However, as you might have read, I received some pretty informative and friendly greetings from others and will very quickly take their advice. You might want to follow your own advice regarding tolerance and perhaps follow the lead of those other wikipedia users. cheers--Norcobash (talk) 12:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for spending your time to write above statement though I didn't go through it at all. Cheers! -- Niaz  (Talk •  Contribs)  13:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure you didn't. You're a piece of work, pity such a terrific tool as wikipedia tolerates such behavior. cheers--Norcobash (talk) 13:14, 16 March 2008 (UTC)