Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Universal Powerline Association

Additional comments by A. B.
I'm on Wikibreak and I don't have much time to speak to this ... but here goes:

I can speak a bit to HomePlug vs. UPLA issue. HomePlug is mostly a utility customer networking solution primarily used withing a building. UPA is a European initiative to address the use of power lines in a metropolitan setting for delivery broadband over power lines to multiple homes within a district as well as within buildings. HomePlug stops at the transformer that separates the customer's lower voltage (usually 240v or 480v) from the distribution grid (usually 2kV to 15kV). The technology UPA deals with spans the range from the customer's building to the utility substation (or some node downstream of the substation). There is still the issue of notability with this article; I think UPA may finally be notable by Wikipedia standards but it needs to addess this explicitly. I know without a doubt that HomePlug is. Also, there's at least one other power line communication organization, the United Power Line Council (UPLC) based in North America. From reading the article, it appears that UPA is pushing a particular DS2- based implementation whereas UPLC is technology-agnostic and is dominated by power utility users, not vendors.

HomePlug is very established with a large customer base; I'm not so sure of UPA's technology.

As a separate issue, there's possible redundancy in Wikipedia's articles on the technology upstream of the transformer: Power-line internet, Power line communication, Broadband Internet access and a List of PLC manufacturers. Finally, you've got an article on Design of Systems on Silicon, a.k.a. DS2, a vendor -- I do not know if they are officially notable (yet). Unfortunately, I don't presently have the time to sort this all out or give my recommendation here the research and thought that I normally would for an AfD (or even spel-checkin).

I used to blog all this stuff until 2004 -- I have a link on a link on my "Sources for future articles and edits" user subpage but the info in that blog is obviously a bit stale. --A. B. 13:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this, A. B. which I will provide my point of view and information on the issues:


 * Both HomePlug and UPA work on specifications for both in-home and access (BPL) networking.
 * Both Homeplug and UPA technology can be and is applied to the medium voltage grid (16kV to 115kV) or the low voltage grid, and powerline transformers provide a similar attenuation (blocking)to both technologies.

In terms of notority, UPA based products can be bought off the shelf in north america from well known equipment manufacturers see this google search.

I hope that these comments help to clarification --Upaplc 14:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)