Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/West Germany national football team

I'm sorry to have to say this, but the level of ignorance among wikipedians, as manifested in comments about Germany national football team and especially the alleged different West German team, is appalling. -- Matthead discuß!    O       21:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Come on, no need to get personal now. ;) - le petit vagabond 22:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ignorance? As I mentioned, you obviously have some agenda we're all miserably failing to understand. -- Phoenix2  (talk, review) 03:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It's others, mainly User:Hammersfan, who have pushed their agenda to an unbearable extend. The page had just been an uncontroversial redirect to the proper German page for years until 21 August 2006, Hammersfan introduced his POV-fork. It was detected soon, several attempts to merge again were made, but Hammersfan did not cease to nurture his creature. Just look at the article history or at the comments by him at Talk:West Germany national football team, or at this comment. During last years World Cup, some people tried to "strip away" World Cup wins etc. from the German team by claiming that it was a separate, West German team that won in 1954, 1974 and 1990, not the German team. I suspect that this view is mainly supported by certain media in certain countries which have not won a World Cup in at least 4 decades. As tongue-in-cheek remark that may have been okay in the heat of the ongoing tournament, but now the WC 2006 is a thing of the past, and yet some still push this agenda in anger here on Wikipedia. Discussion on talk pages proved futile, citations for the claim are not given as no serious source would state that the pre-1990 (west) German team was different from the post-1990 German team. It's about time that this hoax, which is a disruption to Wikipedia and the public in general, is put straight once and for all by reinstating the original redirect, and write-protecting it. -- Matthead discuß!    O       04:35, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

How did the separation of the German countries come into this? The fact that the DFB organized the pre West German team, the West German team and the Post West German team shows it's all the same? Kingjeff 03:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * See above, Hammersfan just introduced it all by himself last August. The sad thing is that so many have swallowed the bait, even though others had tried to iron it out again.-- Matthead discuß!    O       04:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)