Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Ygorl


 * Comment I'll throw a few references out quickly from the computer game. Putting in talk as I don't think it's too relevant.
 * http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117905468.html?categoryid=28&cs=1
 * http://reviews.cnet.com/xbox-games/forgotten-realms-demon-stone/4505-9582_7-31002343.html
 * http://www.maximonline.com/articles/index.aspx?a_id=6039

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Raw count analysis

 * Delete
 * Straight delete
 * 1) Undead warrior (8 edits)
 * 2) Eusebeus
 * 3) Gavin.collins (8 edits)
 * 4) EEMIV (3 edits)
 * or merge
 * 1) Percy Snoodle (5 edits)


 * Keep
 * Straight keep
 * 1) Quasirandom
 * 2) Robbstrd
 * 3) BOZ (8 edits)
 * 4) Poisonink/ 75.134.169.84
 * 5) Shemeska (3 edits)
 * Or merge to Slaad
 * 1) Casliber 2 edits
 * 2) Webwarlock (3 edits)
 * 3) Hobit (4 edits)
 * 4) Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles (7 edits)


 * Merge
 * To Slaad
 * 1) ArglebargleIV
 * 2) Craw-daddy (3 edits)
 * 3) Freederick
 * 4) Ig8887
 * 5) Jfire


 * Non-participatory
 * 1) SineBot - doing that whole sinebot thing
 * 2) Smcmillan (2 edits) - reverted self
 * 3) Pb30 - delsort

Valid keep arguments

 * a valid third-party source has been provided
 * Five pillars: notability to a real-world audience, plenty of refereces, consistent with a "specialized encyclopedia" concerning fictional topics with importance in the real world.

Discounted keep arguments

 * history behind the character
 * character appears in some game
 * keep, out of spite
 * appeared in more than just one fictional medium and was voiced by a notable actor
 * around for a long time and developed by a notable author
 * notability is not inherited

Valid Delete Arguments

 * Fails to meet WP:NOTABILITY
 * No valid third-party sources
 * orginal research
 * No assertion of real-world notability per WP:FICT
 * in-universe perspective absent information on development and critical response

Discounted Delete Arguments

 * just describing another game character, just a character
 * demonstrates bias against this type of subject
 * stock character
 * A stock character is one which relies heavily on cultural types or stereotypes for their personality, manner of speech, and other characteristics.
 * WP:NOT
 * article is not essentially a plot summary
 * WP:WEASEL
 * maintenance issue, not deletion criteria
 * WP:WAF
 * this is a writing-style guide, no deletion criteria here
 * possibly dubious claims
 * WP:SOFIXIT
 * copyright violation (some of the language sounds like it's straight from a scholarly source)
 * If it sounds good it must be a copyvio? What about try to find the scholarly source and cite it?
 * to be a valid third party source, it must discuss real-world history or impact
 * no such requirement exists

Summary
The Merge !votes outnumbered the keep and delete !votes combined. Merge outcome seems likely to address all valid concerns. Ergo: Merge JERRY talk contribs 08:11, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

=Merge and Redirect= Jerry, thank you for your rational and well thought out comments. I have completed the merge and redirect to Slaad. That article is also up for AfD but I feel it fails to meet the criteria for many of the same reasons you have listed here. Web Warlock (talk) 21:34, 2 February 2008 (UTC)