Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 11

Since it is that day.
→ ROUX   ₪  18:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. A round of Canadian football, beer, and fireworks for all! Double Blue (talk) 18:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

142? Wouldn't have guessed you for a day older than 125! Bearcat (talk) 21:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

National Hockey League GAR notice
National Hockey League has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

FAR
nominated Frederick Hamilton-Temple-Blackwood, 1st Marquess of Dufferin and Ava for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 02:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Origin of the name Eskimo
FYI, Origin of the name Eskimo has been nominated for deletion. 70.29.208.69 (talk) 06:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Koreatown
Koreatown, Vancouver was deleted, with good reason, a long time ago; I'm going on wikibreak as of, pretty much, tomorrow, for at least a few weeks, so won't be around to continue this discussion; other Vancouver editors concurred and there are no reliable sources for the IP users claims; to me it's ethno-commercial imperialism - and totally uncitable vs even Little Saigon (Kingsway and Fraser), for example. The argument presented by this guy might also rank Lonsdale as "Little Tehran" or "Farsitown", but they're not; it's not limited to Vancouver; I've culled a lot of Koreatown as a whole, as there was all kinds of stuff, like on Chinatowns in North America, that is little more than an ethnic shopping directory and not a "-town". This may seem a little harsh, but the reality is that Wikipedia is often used to attempt to make a reality, to promote an idea, and this is not what it's for....Skookum1 (talk) 23:32, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Top-importance articles that need serious attention
The following articles are considered top-importance:


 * stub-class
 * Canadian French Unfortunately this is a subject area where I have neither interest or expertise.


 * Start-class
 * Fauna of Canada; again I have neither interest nor expertise there; the article would be well-served by someone who has either or both.


 * C-class
 * Government of Canada is (barely) C-class, and really should be at least A given its importance. I would contribute, but the only section I could contribute to is covered by a topicban self-imposed for my own sanity.
 * Television in Canada is almost completely unreferenced, eek.
 * Law of Canada has a single inline citation.

See here for the list of top-importance B-class articles; there are 29, including History of Canada, Geography of Canada, and most if not all of the provinces.

All of the articles above should be gotten up to GA, and I call on WP:CANADA to at least get everything at B-class and under jumped up one class; stub-class articles about topics of significant importance to Canada are embarrassing. I'm willing to do copywriting if others can do research (particularly offline research). Who's in? → ROUX   ₪  04:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Starting in September I'll take a crack at the Law and Government ones. Remind me, though, because otherwise I may forget. Steve Smith (talk) (formerly Sarcasticidealist) 04:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Turbot War
Recently, there has been some activity on the Turbot War article, with quite a bit of tagging for cleanup/citations. If anyone would like to head over there and help out with this, that would be useful! Thanks, --RFBailey (talk) 01:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Canadian Wikisource
The people organizing Wikimedia Canada are discussing the benefits and logistics of one day setting up a Wikisource library hosted on Canadian servers. If you would like to comment about this project go to the discussion page on Meta and leave your two cents. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 00:44, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I would just like to add a link to the new Wikimedia Canada chapter site for the benefit of any Canadians interested in getting involved.
 * The Canadian Wikisource library sounds like an exciting prospect and I'll be keeping watch, anxious to see how it evolves. — &oelig; &trade; 04:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Theodore Tugboat, banners and inclusion
I've noticed that the talk-page at the Theodore Tugboat article is not bannered as being part of WikiProject Canada, WikiProject Canadian TV shows, or WikiProject Nova Scotia, which leads me to assume that it has somehow been overlooked. I'm curious to know whether I can simply add the template myself, or if the article needs to be reviewed, acknowledged, and templated by a member of these projects (which I am not). -- WikHead (talk) 22:16, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've done it now, but always feel free to add the banner(s) yourself. If you're not sure what class or importance to use, just leave those out and somebody else will fill it in. Some day. :)  PK T (alk)  17:52, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you kindly PKT :). I guess my biggest concern was not knowing if there was more to it than simply adding the template, or whether I was even authorised to do so as a non-member of the projects in question. I had been tempted many times, to simply copy the template from "Talk:Trailer Park Boys", which (aside from the Start-Class and High-importance parameters) would have been correct, but figured it might be best to ask first, before diving blindly into unfamiliar territory. Your reply above however, has answered all my questions and concerns. Thanks again! :) -- WikHead (talk) 02:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If it appears to be within the scope of the project, we would appreciate you being WP:BOLD and tagging it. Thanks for being conscientious, considerate, and helpful. Double Blue  (talk) 02:54, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

If WP:Saint Pierre and Miquelon had to be attached somewhere. Here?
If the Wikiproject about Saint Pierre and Miquelon had to be attached somewhere, wouldn't Canada be better than the Caribbean region? At present the Saint Pierre and Miquelon work group was some how erroneously attached to the Caribbean project. If it had to be attached somewhere wouldn't it be better with either France or even with Canada? How intense are the relations between St. Pierre and Miquelon and other parts of Canada? Would these relations be enough for the Canada wiki board project to sort of 'adopt' SPM too? Reason being, I don't know how much attention it will get in the Caribbean group. CaribDigita (talk) 16:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Definitely not Caribbean — I can't imagine how that happened. However, France would be a more appropriate replacement than Canada. Bearcat (talk) 16:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't imagine what relation there is to Canada, other than strictly geographic. SP-M is French. → ROUX   ₪  16:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I've moved the project's title back to "France" rather than "Caribbean". However, I've added the workgroup page to WikiProject Newfoundland and Labrador — while it obviously isn't, strictly speaking, a Canadian topic, its geographic and historical relationship to NL means that there is likely to be some overlap of interest. Certainly far more so than it'll ever have with most of the Caribbean. Bearcat (talk) 16:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Thank you for your assistance. According to the SP-M article there was a territorial dispute with Canada (and with NL being the closest), it probably involved that province.  So, it's possible NL may have good ties with that island group. Also according to Economy of Saint Pierre and Miquelon the livelihood of the persons in SP-M has historically been underpinned by sea going vessels from NL. Your addition to NL seems pretty reasonable given all this. CaribDigita (talk) 17:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I note that the article itself is still listed as being within the Carribean Wikiproject, so I added a WP France tag. I also added a WP CANADA/NFLD+LAB tag, given the unique geographic circumstances and the links/disputes with Canada (it's presumably an article of interest to Cdn editors, and the island does not need to be part of Canada to qualify for Wikiproject inclusion -- e.g. I note that the Falkland Islands article is included in Wikiroject Argentina).  The WP Carribean tag remains, as that Wikiproject's main page treats it is a component of their project.  Someone may want to post a note at that Wikiproject directing them to this discussion. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 18:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, I moved the page's title to France instead of the Caribbean, but I didn't actually remove it from being filed in the Caribbean project's workgroups queue. While it certainly isn't ideal, I can sort of marginally see the value in at least keeping a connection between that project and the SPM workgroup — if only because the fact that there isn't a dedicated Wikiproject for the French outre-mer territories means that the Caribbean project is the only available way to keep SPM linked with Guadeloupe and Martinique. Bearcat (talk) 19:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

List of Forest Regions and Forest Districts of British Columbia
I created this long-overdue list, for now a list of redlinks, as the Forest Districts are far more important than the regional districts which too many wikipages have been using as locational references and as if somehow the regional districts were all that important in the BC political geographic scheme of things (which they are not). Each item listed can have its own writeup/content, re ecology, annual allowable cut, FSRs, workforce, value, local issues etc, and the BC Ministry of Forests (actually right now named the BC Ministry of Forests and Range) needs its own article, as do other BC ministries. This will be a component of List of administrative regions of British Columbia, which will also have Ministry of Environment Regions, EMR Mines Districts, Tourism Districts; there's already the Health Regions. Too much weight has been given regional districts in Wikipedia with the result that a lot of content placing things in regional districts constitutes original research/synthesis; the other types of regions are far more powerful, especially in terms of land management but also in relation to political power, budgeting, economics etc.....and in use as geographic descriptions/locators, where MoF districts especially are commonlyu used (though the primary reference used by all govt sources, including the federal level, is Land Districts. Note the use of full capitals in the title; Forest District denotes a legal entity, "forest district" or "forest region" is not a formally-defined entity but could just be a general "region of forest" etc....Skookum1 (talk) 14:02, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

List of Ministry of Environment Regions of British Columbia
Same idea as previous.Skookum1 (talk) 15:35, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Frances Oldham Kelsey
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the article which you can see at Talk:Frances Oldham Kelsey/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. You are being notified as the talk page has a banner for this project. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 07:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

RfC started to discuss replacing Criminal Org Infobox with Org Infobox
Please comment on an RfC to replace Template:Infobox Criminal organization with Template:Infobox Organization for active motorcycle clubs. Thanks! --Dbratland (talk) 20:54, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Architecture of St. John's - needs attention
I've added to the lede a bit; the comparison to San Francisco is in most guidebooks but I don't have one handy to cite....this page for now is mostly a gallery page or a list-with-pictures....needs actual architectural-history writeup.Skookum1 (talk) 15:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Review of Toronto Port Authority article
The Toronto Port Authority article is locked to admin edits only. We have a bit of an edit war going on. If anyone could review the article for POV issues and comment on the discussion page, it would be appreciated. Alaney2k (talk) 16:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Three Boston, Ontarios, not one
I found Boston, Ontario on the Boston (disambiguation) page but it's only a redirect to Norfolk County, Ontario, which is wrong as there are two others. See Boston_(disambiguation).Skookum1 (talk) 17:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, the one in Timiskaming is actually Boston Township, not just "Boston", and the one in Halton doesn't even exist — my best guess is that somebody mislabelled Boston Mills. Bearcat (talk) 17:49, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Location maps of the provinces
Hello! I'm part of a trans-wiki project to produce new svg location maps for every country in a consistent style and quality initialized by French and German users. Now and then maps of administrative subdivisions are also made. About 150 countries already got new maps. Right now I do this for the Canadian provinces, I was asked for them at de:WP. After updating the template of British Columbia, user Skookum1 told me here that this map style isn't the one that is preferred: no streets etc. Ontario, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and PEI are already updated by me but I will stop it now until it is clear if it is wanted at en:WP. Regards, NNW (talk) 14:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

A blessing if you ask me. I know that I and a number of the Canadian project members have been desperate to get hold of decent svgs for the Canadian provinces since day 1. Especially Nunavaut!!! Look forward to seeing the new maps! Ah, actually I know Dr. Blofeld met Skookum before with British Columbia over a bad old map. This is a good one with correct coordinates!!. Go ahead NNW and create the others, shouldn't be any problems Himalayan   14:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Which maps specifically are you referring to? Could you link to the ones you've done already so we can see what you have in mind?  TastyCakes (talk) 15:18, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I forgot. file:Canada British Columbia location map.svg, file:Canada Ontario location map.svg, file:Canada Nova Scotia location map.svg... They are used in Template:Location map British Columbia, Template:Location map Ontario, Template:Location map Nova Scotia... NNW (talk) 15:21, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks a lot. What are the boundaries exactly?  Census districts?  Ridings?  TastyCakes (talk) 15:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's census districts. NNW (talk) 15:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Not exactly; they're regional districts, which Statistics Canada uses for census subdivisions. Other than for that, and for purposes of the reach of building inspectors and where your land taxes get paid into, they're pretty much useless; much more relevant to local governance are things like Forests Regions and Districts and Health Regions, school districts, mining divisions, tourism regions etc.  Further discussion on this topic has seen User:NordNordWest kindly make a BC location map without any subdivisions, but only the major rivers and provincial/territorial US state borders; that map shoudl be used for things which regional districts don't have anything to do with....which is nearly everything except incorporated communities and regional parks and maybe important garbage dumps.  Regional districts are not equivalent to counties and should not be used as such; they are not used as region-descriptors by anyone but Wikipeia(ns) and using them as such is WP:OR.  Also, using the terms "region" and "district" interchangeably with "regional district" is very, very misleading and leads to the notion that they are regions.  they are not, they are only boundaries within which regional district governments have jurisdiction; very limited jurisdiction....Skookum1 (talk) 03:31, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

List of mines in British Columbia
I started this last night and today; lots of coal mines to go, but got most of the major copper/gold ones....Skookum1 (talk) 03:31, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

2009 southern Ontario tornados
Should we create an article on this topic? NorthernThunder (talk) 07:33, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. The storms weren't that big - Ontario gets tornadoes almost every year. There's a brief mention of it now in the Vaughan and Durham, Ontario articles and I think that should suffice.  PK  T (alk)  12:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There's also Tornadoes of 2009, where they've already been added as well. The vast majority of tornadoes only get mentioned in lists and locality articles; ones that are part of a large outbreak might get spun out to an article about the whole cell. Individual tornadoes should really only have their own articles if there's something especially notable about them, such as being one of the ten worst tornadoes in Canadian history or being really unusual in some other way. Bearcat (talk) 17:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * A new editor went ahead and created the article here. I've put a PROD tag on it for reasons stated here, but I thought I would post a note here in case anyone disagrees with my PROD. Singularity42 (talk) 16:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I feel that without question the Ontario tornado outbreak of August 20th deserves it's own page. First off, this was a historic weather event in Ontario; it is one of the most costly and damaging tornado events ever in the province, and a rare killer Canadian tornado; it is the most notable tornado outbreak in Ontario since 1985. Since the tornadoes, there have been calls for reviews of and changes to the tornado warning system in Canada, and so this event (no doubt as a consequence of its destructiveness and the rarity of its urban setting) may result in significant changes and improvements to the way in which the Canadian public is warned of severe weather. As such, the article "Central Ontario and GTA tornado Outbreak, August 20th 2009" should be allowed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TJF444 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I should just point out that if you do contest the PROD tag (or a PROD tag on any article) you are allowed to remove it, and put your reasons on the talk page. In this case, that will probably lead to a more formal review. Anyway, at this point, it would probably be best to put all future comments on the talk page of the article itself. Singularity42 (talk) 16:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for that info - I am new to this. I have respectfully removed the PROD tag and will post the reasoning in the article's talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TJF444 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Norwegian Canadian categories
I noted this because I have my grandfather's article watchlisted, also Hans Lars Helgesen and Colin Hansen; there are now three categories relating to ethnically-Norwegian Canadians: The bulleting reflects the current hierarchy, which I'm not sure is right; the article is now Norwegian Canadian, not Canadians of Norwegian ancestry but it strikes me that Norwegian immigration to Canada or History of Norwegian immigration to Canada (or History of Scandinavian immigration to Canada). is a different subject. I know my Grand-Dad identified himself as a Norwegian Canadian, and despite being a new immigrant and, with my great-uncle, one of the founders of what would become the Sons of Norway, the emphasis was on the "Canadian" part (even though he also was a dual citizen of the US, and so is in the Category:Norwegian American category as well). Anyway I'm not sure I see the relevance of three separate categories here, and the current hierarchy doesn't seem right; if all three remain IMO the hierarchy should be: i.e. with the latter two at the same "tier". Note also that in the Norwegian Canadians category I and others have placed notable Norwegian settlements in Canada - Hagensborg BC, Birch Hills SK - though maybe there should be a subcat for that; in both those cases they are, or were, places with Norwegian Canadian/immigrant majorities, rather than just "significant" ones. similarly in the Danish Canadian category are Cape Scott and "Little Denmark" in New Brunswick; not sure about Swedish settlements; Gimli, Manitoba is certainly in Category:Icelandic Canadians.....maybe this discussion belongs in WP:Ethnic groups but are there any parameters/standadrs within WP:Canada re ethnic categories? BTW I removed what seemed to me to be redudant doublings of the above categories from the Helgesen and my granddad's articles....Skookum1 (talk) 19:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Category:Canadians of Norwegian descent
 * Category:Norwegian Canadians
 * Category:Norwegian immigrants to Canada
 * Category:Norwegian Canadians
 * Category:Canadians of Norwegian descent
 * Category:Norwegian immigrants to Canada

Dennis Patterson
Is this a valid source to reference Dennis Patterson was the main inspiration behind Nunavut. I'm not familiar with the publication so I have no way of judging if it works as source for something that would be a bit contentious. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 04:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes the Toronto Star (often referred to as "the Star") is a reliable source. The short bio in the side bar of the page looks like it covers the statement to me.  Cheers. kelapstick (talk) 04:37, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Not really what I wanted to hear but... I guess as a general rule of thumb if a newspaper is named for all balls of plasma then it's OK but if it's named for a specific one then it's not. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 15:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The Star is one of Canada's three national newspapers. It is absolutely reliable, perhaps not quite as much as the Globe & Mail, but certainly more than the Randian stylings of the National Post. → ROUX   ₪  16:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Minister of Forests and Range redirect and ramifications
Please see Talk:Rich_Coleman. I came across this while double-checking background to Minister of Forests (Canada) and its sister articles; there's been a need for a BC Minister/Ministry of Forests article for a while, along with other portfolios, and presumably also for Ontario etc. What struck me about seeing the federal Forests portfolio is that forests and other natural resources portfolios are constitutionally pat of provincial jurisdiction; while the federal portfolio exists and or did exist, and is/was engaged in things like the softwood lumber dispute, the hands-on part of forestry policy and forestry administration is entirely provincial; the provincial forests ministers are far more powerful and important than their federal counterparts....I'm not in the mood to start a Ministry of Forests (British Columbia) article, and I've wondered for a while if multiple portfolios shouldn't still be articled separately, e.g. in the case of Ministry of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources whether or not Department of Mines (British Columbia) should be a stand-alone article; except also to note at time it's been a full-fledged Ministry (though usual referred to as a dept., unlike forestry which is always referred to as a ministry even when it's been a department). A series on the various BC and other provincial ministries is long overdue; for now even the cabinet article is about the current cabinet, not about the cabinet as a whole/history ,which is what should be; but finding that ministry names are redirecting to current cabinet ministers is if not disturbing then at least troublesome; and needs a lot of fixing by the creation of ministry stubs, or better yet full articles.Skookum1 (talk) 16:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Related matter re federal portfolios
New User:Senatrix merged/redirected a few things combining different portfolios into one; I've reversed/split them. See User_talk:Senatrix....maybe this would better be refocussed on the CANGOV talkpage.....Skookum1 (talk) 02:49, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

minister/ministry categories/content
Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Governments_of_Canada.Skookum1 (talk) 04:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Geographic coordinates on articles
Sadly, Canada is lagging behind many other countries in terms of the number of articles which should/could, but do not, have geographic coordinates on them. Some  articles are listed at Category:Canada articles missing geocoordinate data. A quick reference to adding geographic coordinates to articles is at, err, How to add geocodes to articles. Go to it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:25, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It would have been easier if they had been broken down into provincial categories like the UK/US. I just noticed this and as a strange coincidence for the past 45 minutes (processed just under a 1,000) I've had AWB running to filter out all the NU ones. After that I'll find the NT places. One problem is that the Atlas of Canada has changed their setup. You no longer get the coordinates with the map but just the map that you can click on to see the coordinates. Because you're trying to click on an arrow the coordinates are not that accurate and can't be used as is. They need putting into something like Google Earth and then tweaking before they can be used. Get there in the end but more work than before. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 10:52, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Indigenous Peoples of Canada
There are two articles up for GA nomination that need some help from experienced editors. A proposed series template was started to help separate the topics related to indigenous persons at Template:Indigenous Peoples of Canada. The two articles are Aboriginal peoples in Canada and First Nations which each have an amazing amount of time and effort spent upon them, but they overlap, which is why perhaps a series of topical articles may help them un-repeat somewhat.SriMesh | talk  04:09, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Some new subcats for Category:Inuit
I've been interested in the subject, and saw the cat was getting a bit cluttered. So I've added a few cats and thought I'd mention them here in case anyone wants to help add to them, offer a re-name, link to other cats, etc: MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:49, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Category:Inuit games
 * Category:Inuit groups ("groups" seemed the most-used term for Inuit subcultures)
 * Category:Inuit territories (not sure of the best term, or the best cats to link it to, but wanted to cover existing and proposed administrative areas intended to accomodate Inuit cultures, and/or recognised areas of Inuit presence. This cat could really use some work/building)
 * Category:Inuit missionaries (just in case anyone is also fascinated by the conversion/syncretism process. I'd like to create a larger cat on Inuit culture and religion at some point, as the current cats are just Category:Inuit mythology and whatnot, which are more anthropological and less historical.)


 * Looks good. Inuit missionaries could probably do with a header explaining that it's for Inuit who were missionaries or people/groups who were missionaries and Inuit who were missionaries. Also should Inuit territories include things like Category:Inuit communities in Quebec? Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 01:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Solid call on clarifying "Inuit missionaries", so I added text to the cat that it's for missionaries of Inuit birth, and suggested cats for missionaries to the Inuit. So far as territories, off the top of my head individual communities seem a little to tight for that definition, unless they're part of a swath of land that's proposed to go to Inuit control, was previously a recognised semi-formal "nation state" (so far as such existed), etc.  But I'm open to discussion on it. MatthewVanitas (talk) 01:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not bothered either way. I had been working on a similar scheme at Commons yesterday for Inuit. Still got more to do but I'll be out till Thursday. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 03:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Cool, also added Category:Inuit shamans, and made a note that though shaman is the commonly-used term, shaman is technically for Siberian peoples and angukkaq for the Inuit. Also made Category:Inuit poets, and put an intro note that it's for Inuit people recognised for being verse-composers, not necessarily just some guy who recited widely-known verses for an anthropologist. The source I list for the two Inuit poets has a ton of poetry, and I'd imagine there are several more Inuit poets in that book that make the cut for Notability. MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Need article on the Tlicho Region of NWT?
Apparently as of 2005 a process started to give a big chunk of NWT to the Tli Cho people. Even though it's not a full new province (like Nunavut), it is a recognised area under Tlicho semi-control. Maybe a province someday, maybe not, but in either case seems notable. There are some maps which appear to be official, such as here. Any good way to get at least a basic article going? And I have zero drafting skills, so anyone have any interest in getting a WP-standard map going based on these government maps? There's another map here which seems to call the area the Wekeezhi region, and another clear map, plus full text of the 2003 agreement. MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:43, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's hard to tell from Tlicho Government or Tli Cho if are planning a seperate area from the NWT or it's going to be something like the Inuvialuit Settlement Region. A look at the Tlicho site seems to indicate that they are still part of the NWT. Probably best to have it called something other than a region as the communities are all in the North Slave Region of the NWT, but I'm not sure what would be the proper name. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Might I suggest that Tli Cho act as a proxy for the territory until more solid information is available about whether or not it will be severed from the NWT? If/when such an announcement is made by the governments involved, then the article can be renamed as needed.   PK  T (alk)  19:01, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

New template for Indigenous Peoples of Canada
a new template has been made by User:SriMesh for Indigenous Peoples of Canada as seen to the right bellow ...

It has been added to the following articles, PLEASE ADD IT TO new and old articles about the topic..   It is the finally addition to the new articles called Aboriginal peoples in Canada and one of the  sub articles called First Nations. Pls fell free to copy edit WIKIFY or add any info that is relevant to the articles(unsourced or poorly sourced edits will be reverted immediately) Buzzzsherman (talk) 21:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Canadian provinces and federal elections
Hi all.

I'm currently working on Canada federal election maps (such as this one). However working back towards the start of the last century I encountered some confusing info which I hope someone here can clarify. Looking at Canadian federal election, 1908 the listed provinces are BC, AB, SK, MB, ON, QC, NB, NS, PE and YK. However according to File:Canada provinces 1905-1912.png the North-West Territories were also a province at the time. Now my question is is one of the pieces of information wrong or did NWT not have a vote between 1904 and 1949 or was their votes counted jointly with that of another province. /Lokal_Profil 22:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * From Northwest Territories:
 * The provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan were created in 1905, and Manitoba, Ontario, and Quebec acquired the last of their modern territories from NWT in 1912. This left only the districts of Mackenzie, Franklin (which absorbed the remnants of Ungava in 1920), and Keewatin. In 1925, the boundaries of NWT were extended all the way to the North Pole on the sector principle, vastly expanding its territory onto the northern ice cap. The reduced Northwest Territories was not represented in the Canadian House of Commons from 1907 until 1947, when the electoral district of Yukon—Mackenzie River was created. This riding only included the District of Mackenzie. The rest of the Northwest Territories had no representation in the House of Commons until 1962, when the Northwest Territories electoral district was created in recognition of the Inuit having been given the right to vote in 1953.
 * There's probably some good secondary sources out there to confirm (since this passage is unreferenced...), but if true, it would appear NWT could not vote in the Federal elections from 1907-1947, and had only one riding representing part of NWT from 1947-1963. Singularity42 (talk) 22:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, the Northwest Territories were without representation for quite some time, actually. Yukon was represented from 1901 to 1947. The district was then increased to add part of the NWT (map is located here: Yukon—Mackenzie River. In 1952 Yukon existed as one district once again, while only the Mackenzie District on the NWT had representation until 1962. Hope that helps. The maps should be corrected to show this. -- Earl Andrew - talk 22:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * (Edit Conflict)Hum... how could I have missed that =( Well I guess that means I have some maps to correct. Thanks for the quick answer =) /Lokal_Profil 22:22, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Have now fixed 1949, 1945, 1940, 1935 and 1930. If someone could verify that they are now right then I would be gratefully. I've got a new Labrador border for pre 1927 but I will do these corrections tomorrow. /Lokal_Profil 00:09, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if its worthwhile to indicate in the maps, but only the Mackenzie District in the NWT had representation until 1962. -- Earl Andrew - talk 00:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Once I've corrected the other early maps I might do something similar to the 1949 division of NWT. Or at least I'll put a comment on the image page about it. But do the 1930-1949 maps look ok now? /Lokal_Profil 15:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks good! Hope you make the other changes, I look forward to seeing them! -- Earl Andrew - talk 21:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 1917, 1921, 1925 and 1926 fixed (including Labrador border). I'll get started on the 1908 and 1911 corrections. /Lokal_Profil 23:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 1908 and 1911 fixed. I'd appreciate if someone could check that they are ok though =) /Lokal_Profil 23:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Need some info to go on. Did the NWT - Keewatin border mainly follow the 1st meridian? Couldn't find any info on the Territorial evolution page or the District of Keewatin page. /Lokal_Profil 00:30, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * According to the wikipedia page, it followed the 2nd Meridian, and I made a map as such. -- Earl Andrew - talk 05:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. Which Wiki article was it? I'll get startd on these when I get back. /Lokal_Profil 15:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * After comparing the 1905 and 1901 maps (on Territorial evolution of Canada) I must conclude that they depict the NWT - Keewatin border as neither following the 1st meridian nor the 2nd. Rather it looks as thoug the border is mainly following 101° west. /Lokal_Profil 13:47, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A follow-up question. It's not clear from File:Canada provinces 1901-1905.png if the islands belong to NWT or Keewatin or if they were distributed between the two. /Lokal_Profil 16:56, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Canada 1904 Federal Election.svg is my current guess regarding the islands. /Lokal_Profil 19:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Canada at FAR
nominated Canada for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Format/system for IRs sucks
I've been spending the morning ading census details to List of Indian reserves in Canada by population, since many BC reserves listed have large non-native populations. And once again I've run into the problem - one of hte problems -with the "Wikipedia standard" of using Census Canada's "shorthand" numbering format, as in the case of the Tsawwassen Indian Reserve there is no number, likewise Seabird Island and some others (in BC and elsewhere). See this edit. My opinion is that all Indian Reserve articles be properly titled to "most common usage", which is in this case Tsawwassen Indian Reserve (rather than Tsawwassen, British Columbia, which has a much broader meaning)or in the case of a numbered reserve Mission Indian Reserve No. 1 (rather than Mission 1). As with other things like Regional Districts an their electoral areas, Census Canada is only one of many "authoritative sources" and in terms of most common usage, the least used; there should be a bulk name-change of all Indian Reserves to the usual format as it is encountered in normal English and in other official sources (such as CGNDB) though in that case the "No.1" is omitted" e.g. Tzeachten Indian Reserve 13 would be the format encountered there, as in BCGNIS. Also agglomerations of reserves, such as at Mount Currie, have their own population totals and so the issue with the list is it by specific reserve, or by reserve community?  And does it exclude white residents?  Or should there be List of First Nations by population, with "First Nations" meaning band membership rather than simply ethnicity?  if the intent of the IRs by population list was to reflect native population rankings it was the wrong approach; although some editors seem to believe otherwise, there is not an easy equation between "First Nation" and "Indian Reserve". Also in the case of Nisga'a and Shishalh peoples, their reserves are no longer reserves, by treaty settlement, and have municipal status though SFAIK do not belong to the Union of British Columbia Municipalities (yet). Skookum1 (talk) 16:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


 * On the issue of names of Indian reserves, I absolutely disagree with the use of Reserve numbers in the article titles. I'm unaware of the "standard" of Wikipedia using this system and think it runs afoul of several Wikipedia policies and guidelines including WP:NPOV, WP:COMMONNAME, and WP:Undue weight. The government may find it convenient to use the numbering system but it is not, in my experience, how the communities themselves, the surrounding knowledgeable community, or the worldwide community refers to the place. I would also find it hard to fathom that a government minister would visit a community and say, "I am so happy to meet the good people here in Sandy Lake 88" anymore than he would shake your hand and say "I hope to count on your support, 456 321 987". In each case, we need to research the name used by the government, the community itself, the knowledgeable surrounding community, and what is the most common name. To default to the government's ID number is offensive, in my opinion. Double Blue  (talk) 18:14, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Francophonie?
Does anyone think there should be a WP:WikiProject Francophonie? It would be like WP:WikiProject Commonwealth that handles the British Commonwealth.

See Talk:Organisation_internationale_de_la_Francophonie_(OlF) for the discussion.

76.66.197.30 (talk) 07:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

2009 Jeux de la Francophonie
Hi mates, Canada has the biggest team participating in the games with over 300 athletes, could you please help us expand and further the coverage of the event. thank you Eli  +  14:49, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

CanMOS on neighbourhoods re Category:Neighbourhoods in Delta, British Columbia
It just occurred to me while adding the old name of North Delta, British Columbia ("Annieville", a name now used by its oldest neighbourhood only, and not to be confused with Anniedale nearby, which is to the south of Barnston Island), that if what I understand about WP:CanMOS per neighbourhoods is right, should be North Delta, Delta and its counterparts Ladner, British Columbia and Tsawwassen, British Columbia should be Ladner, Delta and Tsawwassen, Delta; unless because the other two are in common use and can also be postal-addressed that way, the older comma-province applies. Thinking about Delta a bit further, there's a Boundary Bay article for the landform, but not separate one for the Delta neighbourhood of that name, which is just inside the border at the northeast edge of Point Roberts WA and is accessed from 8th Ave or 4th Ave off of the main drag in Tsawwasseen. I think there's a few other Delta neighbourhoods yet unaccounted for, I'll think about it; River Road's kind of a neighbourhood....Skookum1 (talk) 21:09, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

IRs as neighbourhoods
there's also the issue of Tsawout Shores, which is not a neighbourhood of municipal Delta but is a real-world, though IR-governed, "neighbourhood" of Tsawwassen, as is the reserve of the Tsawwassen First Nation. Both are outside municipal governance and therefore the "Delta" categories, incl. Category:Neighbourhoods in Delta, British Columbia and its parent. This last couple of days I've been putting IRs in the Chilliwack area in the Chilliwack city category but have been uncomfortable with it as they're not part of the city, in strict technical terms; they are part of the place of Chilliwack; but as long as city articles are written from a standpoint of municipal governance/community only, there's a kind of necessary information apartheid about FNs/IRs vs municipal articles; "Greater Chilliwack" is maybe the splution - e.g. Category:Greater Chilliwack] (which could include Cultus Lake, Columbia Valley and the Chilliwack River communities as well as IRs, also Popkum etc) and likewise Vancouver-area FNs could go in a [[:Category:Greater Vancouver non0-RD cat, as already exists for Victoria in the form Category:Greater Victoria, British Columbia, of which the CRD cat is only a subcat; in this way geographic as well as political items outside municipal/RD governance can legitimately be included in said categories...NB also Category:Greater Prince George, which was the only solution to the far flung bush communities around the city, which can't quite be called Omineca or Nechako like areas to the west; and the Robson Valley doesn't begin until east of the Mount Tabor Ski Area: Category:Greater Kamloops may beh the solution to IR/band articles there, too.....In the case of many local BC town articles ("town" in the colloquial sense, not legal), I've been taken aback by the presentation of infobox census etc data based only on the municipality, and not on the local reality in places where IRs adjoining towns/places are as much a part of the place as is the municipality; e.g. Lillooet, Lytton, Hazelton, Ft St James and so on, even Quesnel etc. The neighbourhoods issue points up something else I've come across, which applies to Tsawout Shores but which Sun Rivers, British Columbia on the Kamloops Indian Reserve (or one of the Kamloops IRs, i think it's the main one though) which like the ones in West Kelowna and at Park Royal (Homulchesan/X̱wemelch'stn - Capilano IR No. 5) have large non-native populations;: also Langley 4 and others I can think of; so census figures etc also exist in this state of "information apartheid", but it complicates giving location articles full context/ when is a location article more than just a municipal article?  In BC's case, because of the two legal/administrative systems, side by side throughout especially the smaller towns of hte Interior, North and nearly all the Coast.....it's BC's history and legal system/political legacy that made all this this complicated; I'd rather it were simpler but it's not.  The further issue about how to classify/categorize/title the now-municipal lands in the Nisga'a Lisims (which we need both article and map for) and the Sechelt Indian Government District and maybe the Temexw Treaty too, not sure how that one wound up; those aren't IRs anymore.  There's also known IRs that are now no longer reserve, for whatever reason; Seton Lake 7 I know is one, and Poplar Island (British Columbia) was an IR until the 1920s or so (and may become one again; for now it's a a regional park of the GVRD); so Category:Former Indian Reserves in Canada with BC subcat of course, given the likely number of them, is needed in some form; it could be a parent cat of Category:Municipal lands which were formerly Indian Reserve or some such.  To date, btw, though the Nisga'a and Sechelt governments have municipal status, neither have applied to join the Union of British Columbia Municipalities (google that for recent news, or I'll come back with a couple of links later); I'm also unsure how mative governance may or may not fit into the new Northern Rockies Regional Municipality (former NRRD/Fort Nelson-Liard RD); ditto re the direct administration by the province (chiefly Dept of Mines) in the Stikine Region vs local FN governance there (various bands).
 * Also related to the above is the notion of/need for categories along the lines of Category:Aboriginal villages in Canada and a subcat Category:Former aboriginal villages in Canada; this includes historical ones, many not on IR land today like Qiqayt (by New West/Brownsville) or ones that have been destroyed like the infamous (Chinlac) or the lava beds-buried villages of the Nisga'a, at least one of which has a stub. In some cases it may be appropriate to direct the village-name to the IR or vice versa; User:OldManRivers has already done this with Esla7an and X̱wemelch'stn re Mission 1 and Capilano 5, but in some cases that may not be appropriate e.g. N'Quatqua comprises a few different IRs within the locality, and is parallel to D'Arcy, British Columbia in the same way that Lillooet 1, once it's written is parallel/adjoining Lillooet, British Columbia; other side-by-side examples exist also.  Obscure reserves can maybe be redirected to their governing FN page, but some still need stand-aloen articles; what I'm thinking is that the category can still be placed on the redirects, so that Category:Indian Reserves of the Sto:lo or Category:Indian Reserves of the Nlaka'pamux (with accordant subcats for division by tribal council if needed, as will be the case sometimes) - obviously there might be some argument MOS-wise about Category:Nlaka'pamux Indian reserves vs. my preference for the full-capped name.  Category:Non-aboriginal settlements on Indian Reserves also seesm a much-needed category, though not all such articles are written yet....In generael the contents of Category:First Nations reserves in British Columbia are ordinary placenames and shouldn't be; the category should either be "First Nations reserve communities" or it should be Indian Reserve-specifically-named as such; not just Alexis Creek, British Columbia etc.).Skookum1 (talk) 22:53, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Regional Management Planning Units/Boards
Other missing components in BC's political-infrastructure coverage are Regional Management Planninb Boards or Regional Management Planning Units, whichever title works better re MOS, with specific articles in each case e.g. Lillooet Regional Management Planning Unit (known by the lovely acronym LRMPU) and its counterparts eleswhere, and are what is meant when a parks article says "created as the result of a local management planning process"; the boards are "stakeholders" with various ministries, community groups, municipalities, NGOs and others (but not usually �FNs...) at the table.Skookum1 (talk) 21:09, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Canadian war memorials
I was adding coordinates to the various memorials but ran into a slight problem with the west coast Mackenzie-Papineau Battalion Memorial which is in First World War – Second World War section. It originally said that the memorial was in Vancouver but the references seem to indicate Victoria. Does anyone know which city and the coordinates for it. Thanks. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 04:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Help needed on Gatineau Park articles
I would like advice/help in assessing what is going on on the Politics of Gatineau Park/Gatineau Park files. I have been blocked from editing for 24 hours because I broke the 3R rule. However, the reason I broke it was that two editors (Ahunt and M.nelson) were changing my contributions and edits, in a manner I feel to be arbitrary. Although it is clear that I broke the letter of the 3R rule, I feel these two editors have violated its spirit, by together reversing my work. Their changes do not affect the neutrality of the article. They have changed simple wording, and have removed a quote attributed to a reliable source.

Moreover, they claim I am in a conflict of interest because of my link to the "Gatineau Park Protection Committee." However, this is only an informal, on-paper group with no funding, no web site, no "personal" interest in the matter--in the sense that we are not in it for ourselves. Our interest is purely public, historical and factual. We have tried to provide all references requested. We consider ourselves to be experts on this issue, and as the COI Wiki rules say, "experts on trees are not discouraged from contributing to articles on trees," or some such formula.

Anyhow, any advice, help you might provide on this article, and/or the edits for which I have been "benched" would be appreciated.--Stoneacres (talk) 19:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I nominated a redirect of disscussion
It's been a few days now with no one even entered the disscussion. It's about the redirect of Canadian Civil War to Rebellions of 1837. I think some people here would have an opinion, so if you want to join click here.--Everyone Dies In the End (talk) 04:04, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Newbie welcome mat needed
I just discovered User:JamCad605 due to his extensive revisions to the BC Hydro article. Turns out he's only been with us since August - see his (her?) user contributions. One the Engine 374 article and on the Queen of the Islands one I tidied up his image placement/non-format but on the QOTI one only left templates re some serious POV problem; the Hydro article by comparison, with more detail, is so politicized it barely mentions WAC Bennett or the political reason behind various things in the history; mostly unlinked etc. Anyway he could use one of those nice spiffy welcome templates telling him to read up on MOS, POV/NPOV, OR, RS etc etc.....seems earnest and energetic, but needs house training....Skookum1 (talk) 04:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ I used WelcomeMenu, which includes all the most important ones, including Adopt-a-User.. let's just hope he decides to click and read through them. You should also go ahead and add a personalized welcome explaining specifically the areas you mentioned where he could use some help. -- &oelig; &trade; 05:31, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Popular pages
I have requested a list of popular pages for WikiProject Canada at. --Ysangkok (talk) 15:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Need a bot to go through Ontario county pages
I've noticed that almost every rural county in Ontario is set to display imperial units before metric (unit_pref should be blank within infobox settlement, not 'imperial'). I'm not prepared to do the 40+ edits atm, but if a bot can be set to do it, that would be cool. Hopefully the other provinces don't have this problem. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  00:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I went through and corrected about 2 dozen of them. I didn't get to any that are not included under "Counties" in the subdivisions of Ontario template. DigitalC (talk) 18:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Cool, I'll correct the districts as I go. The others (single tier/regional munic.) should be fine as they tend to get a bit more attention. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  18:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Okanagan Mountain article
I've just created this as a mountain article and only placed it in Category:Okanagan Country, although it's also the name of the Greater Kelowna neighbourhood that was devastated by the Okanagan Mountain Fire. I didn't put it in Category:Kelowna as I'm not certain it's part of the city; if someone knows that it is, please adjust the category and note that with the creation of Rutland, Kelowna and the existence of other Kelowna neighbourhoods like East Kelowna, Kelowna and Benvoulin, Kelowna there will be a call for Category:Neighbourhoods of Kelowna.Skookum1 (talk) 14:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Help save the Canada article
We are looking for help with keeping the Main article on Canada at its FA level.....if you wish to help or would just like to see whats going on with the article and the FA reassessment process pls stop by here--->Featured article review/Canada/archive1

NOTICE: This has been placed (spamed) in 3 talk pages sorry about this just not sure how active each place is. Buzzzsherman (talk) 19:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Boundary Peaks of the AK-BC and BC-AB borders
Please see Category_talk:Boundary_Ranges in re related categories and potential subcategories and their parents, and suggesting List of Boundary Peaks of the Alaska-British Columbia border or List of Boundary Peaks of the Alaska Boundary Settlement (or whatever title of that kind; the Hay-Herbert Treaty seems less descriptive for the context, which is geographic in nature); and related subcats Note the use of full caps on Boundary Peaks, these are official names/designations not simply peaks the border touches it; they are the border, quite literally, although there are some Boundary Monuments also at certain points, and designated latitude-longitude "corner turns", though the peaks are the dominant defining points of the boundary.Skookum1 (talk) 22:37, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * For now the title has been changed to List of Boundary Peaks of the Alaska-British Columbia/Yukon border....a more history-oriented/treaty-specific title such as List of Boundary Peaks of the Alaska Boundary Settlement of 1903 might be better, but for now at least YT is included in the title. When I started the article I'd mistakenly thought that the Boundary Peaks were all AK-BC only; but BC's border along the 60th Parallel doesn't reach teh 14st meridian, and the treaty dealt with everything between the Dixon Entrance and the 141st meridian so necessarily included the little "diagonal" border at the SW border of Yukon.Skookum1 (talk) 14:46, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

New portal Portal:Aboriginal Canadians
new portal....pls feel free to tweak it.....pls do not move it (Change names) ... Portal:Aboriginal Canadians
 * I think the use of the Canadian flag on the portal template is inappopriate; partly for the reasons evolved during hte creation of the maple leaf symbol used on such as Canadian Rockies but partly for the politics of having the flag at all - usually used in Govt of Canada materials - and because of ethno-political sensitivities (such as those many FNs and FN people who do not recognize Canadian sovereignty, which the flag represents/embodies). Not sure what else to have there, some kind of symbol that won't wind up being like the not-Inukshuk that's the logo of the Vancouver Games....maybe a combination of the maple leaf on Canadian Rockies and an....eagle feather?  Something a little less associated with federal governance and which has a comopnent that covers a lot of FN cultures (eagle feathers don't work for the Inuit but most FNs and Metis it's a binding symbol these days).Skookum1 (talk) 14:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I do agree; I just was not sure what to put ...here it is blank....

Pls fell free to tweak, change etc etc ... It is new and only on 5 pages so it would be easy to change them all...and pls feel free to tweak the portal....this is my first one and not sure it the layout is right. Buzzzsherman (talk) 21:27, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Peer reviewers needed
I have nominated Manitoba for peer review here. Please feel free to come comment on the article and offer suggestions. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 03:50, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Copyright status of Canadian flag (for ISS)
Hi folks, looking for a bit of advice - I'm trying to clear up a few issues with International Space Station, and wondered if anyone here could clear up a query regarding the Canadian flag - User:Jappalang thinks the flag may be in copyright (see Featured article candidates/International Space Station/archive3, Peer review/International Space Station/archive5 and User talk:Colds7ream/Archive 1), but I'm fairly convinced its fine to use - would someone here mind confirming either way, please? Thanks, Colds7ream (talk) 13:14, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The copyright to country flag designs, themselves, are not held by the author.


 * 1) What are the rules for using the Canadian Flag for commercial purposes?

* NOTE: This does not include copyrighted stylized graphics

The Trade Marks Act protects the National Flag of Canada against unauthorized use. Requests to use the flag should be addressed to: State Ceremonial and Canadian Symbols State Ceremonial and Corporate Events Directorate Department of Canadian Heritage Gatineau, Quebec K1A 0M5 Tel: (819) 994-1616 Fax: (819) 997-8550 CeremonialetSymboles_CeremonialandSymbols@pch.gc.ca

Note: A sketch of the intended use must be submitted by email or fax.

The national flag and representations of it should always be shown, represented or used in a dignified manner. It should not be defaced by way of printing or illustrations or masked by other objects, but displayed in a manner which may be described as aloft and free, in which all symbolic parts of the flag can be identified.

http://www.pch.gc.ca/pgm/ceem-cced/symbl/df14-eng.cfm

Buzzzsherman (talk) 16:48, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * To be clear, this applies primarily to large-scale representations of the flag — as long as you're not using it in inappropriate contexts, you don't really need written permission from Heritage to make a 150-pixel computer icon of a Canadian flag. You would certainly need it if you wanted to paint a giant Canadian flag on the external wall of your home, but not for an icon that's about the size of a chiclet. Bearcat (talk) 21:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! :-) Colds7ream (talk) 07:44, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's servers are in Florida, which is outside the jurisdiction of Canadian law. Are foreign national flags copyrightable under American law? -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 07:57, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note that Wikipedia "should respect the copyright law of other nations" regardless of Wikipedia being based in the US, per Copyright. -M.Nelson (talk) 16:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * No one has clarified the copyright status of the flag. Yes, it is protected under the Trade Marks Act, but trademarks and copyrights are two separate issues.  What is the copyright status of this flag?  Since Canada automatically grants a copyright to works on creation, the flag would be given Crown protection unless it is specifically stated as not.  Note also that the Trade Marks Act allows only "Canadians [...] to use and display the National Flag of Canada as they wish", which is not a release of copyrights to the world in any way.  The question is whether the flag is protected by Crown Copyright, not how it is used as a trademark.  Jappalang (talk) 22:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Canadian userboxes
A new series of Canadian userboxes had been added to Category:Regional interest user templates. Yours aye, Buaidh (talk) 18:13, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

External Links to The Canadian Encyclopedia
I wish to mention that a link to the article on “Mountains” in The Canadian Encyclopedia was removed from the External Links section of the Wikipedia article "Mountain." The Canadian Encyclopedia website is free to all who wish to visit. No registration is required. The Canadian Encyclopedia is hosted by the Historica Dominion Institute, a non-profit organization. So it is totally non-commercial. It is a high quality source like the "Atlas of Canada," which is already listed in "External Links" in some Wikipedia articles. I believe selected articles in The Canadian Encyclopedia will be useful references for Wikipedia visitors. Therefore, I request that links to The Canadian Encyclopedia placed in the External Links section of related Wikipedia articles be allowed to remain online. Thank you for your consideration.Stratshaw (talk) 22:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Adding many links to articles from the Canadian Encyclopedia contributes nothing to these articles and as per WP:EL is not permitted. If you want to use these links are references for specific text, that is acceptable, but just dumping tons of links into articles renders them WP:SPAM. - Ahunt (talk) 14:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Especially when accompanied by a sales pitch like that coming from User:Stratshaw.....The Cdn Encyclopedia, also, despite its press kit and academic backup, is not a reliable source and, as I've found, contains many (major) errors of geography, history and ethnography.....I advised them of some of these errors and most were corrected, but I have no doubt others are out there......in some cases it's proof to me, given the authorship of the articles, that having a degree or even tenure is not a guarantee that what's coming out of you is worthwhile and/or factual....Skookum1 (talk) 16:34, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahunt is correct (and so is Skookum1, but that's not germane to the point I'm making here) — such links are permissible as references (where accurate), but aren't suitable as plain, direct ELs. Many people seem to operate under the mistaken belief that absolutely any web page that even mentions the article topic is a good addition to the article's external links — I've actually seen articles where the external links section was longer than the main body text. The fact is, in most cases an article shouldn't have more than one or two direct external links, specifically the most directly relevant ones, and most of the links are either more appropriately moved into the article as references or simply dropped as trivial spam.
 * A pop singer's article, for example, should not contain ELs to every magazine article anyone can find about them; such articles are permissible as references, but the only thing actually listed under the EL header should be the artist's own primary website. A city's article, for another example, should not have its external links section transformed into a comprehensive business directory — we don't need the web page of every car dealership, every newspaper, every public institution, every bank, etc., in the city; the only thing under ELs, in most cases, should be the city's primary website. And on, and so forth.
 * External links is not a dumping ground for "every page on the web that has any relevance whatsoever to this topic" — Wikipedia is not Google or Bing. Canadian Encyclopedia links can be cited as references, where appropriate, but they're almost never needed in the ELs section itself. Bearcat (talk) 19:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, I understand the distinction you all make between external links and references to specific topics or data, etc. I appreciate your feedback. While I will take your advice and cite references that might be useful for Wikipedia readers, I also wish to draw your attention external links already listed in some articles that clearly are uninformative and should therefore be removed. I refer specifically to the Wikipedia article on Abraham Gesner, which is a topic of interest to me. The External Links section of this article includes a number of less than stellar links including one which seems to be an elementary school project, one link that is inactive, and other which seems to be a political rant about whaling. Why are they still online in Wikipedia. Certainly, the biography of Mr. Gesner from The Canadian Encyclopedia would be a much more informative source of information than many of the present links. I therefore wish to be permitted, indeed encouraged, by those of you who are editors to add both external links and references from The Canadian Encyclopedia in articles where such links would indeed be beneficial and useful to Wikipedia readers. In exchange, if you agree, I am willing to check the status of other external links in those same articles that I add Canadian Encyclopedia links and references to, because, clearly, many of these External Link lists have not been adequately reviewed. Thank you for your attention. Stratshaw (talk) 20:56, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Radio logo question
Can anybody attest to whether this logo is a legitimate inclusion in our article on EZ Rock? It gives me and another user who's active on Canadian radio stations cause for concern, for a couple of reasons: firstly, the EZ Rock stations aren't all owned by the same company, so they're not in any genuine sense a unified "radio group", and neither of us can recall ever seeing or hearing any indication that they actually promote themselves as such. And secondly, it was uploaded by a user with whom we previously had an ongoing issue around the uploading of self-created fake radio logos.

So the question, basically, is this: can anybody recall ever having seen this logo, inclusive of the phrase "Radio Group", in actual use? Bearcat (talk) 07:11, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Though it looks like all of the Astral Media EZ Rock stations use that a similar logo, nowhere can I find (nor have I ever seen) one including "Radio Group". I'm not familiar with the copyright status of that image, but if it was legit, I would say that the logo (without "Radio Group") could be used in the Astral Media subsection of the EZ Rock article (not in the lead). I would agree that, even within Astral Media, the EZ Rock stations are not a "radio group"; "EZ Rock" is just one of many Astral Media brands. -M.Nelson (talk) 20:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have never heard any reference to an "EZ Rock Radio Group". Nor does a Google search of the term uncover any useful hits.  If there is no such radio group, then the logo is likely the result of someone's imagination.  --Skeezix1000 (talk) 22:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Just to clarify in case my original post was confusing to anyone: the "EZ Rock" portion of this logo is indeed the actual logo that most of the EZ Rock stations use (although they generally also add other elements, such as their FM frequency and/or a heart dangling off the tail of the k.) What's under dispute is the addition of the words "Radio Group" below it. Bearcat (talk) 22:21, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Passchendaele Ridge
I noticed that unlike Vimy Ridge, Passchendaele Ridge doesn't have much detail in the article Battle of Passchendaele (unlike the article Battle of Vimy Ridge, which has much more detail on Vimy Ridge). Should it have a separate article, or more comprehensive section? 76.66.197.2 (talk) 08:14, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Settlers categories
Category:Settlers of Canada, and its subcats for BC, Nfld and the National Capital Region should be deleted; the definition of "settlers" is too loose - literally all immigrants; including First Nations as a subcat was also wildly wrong.Skookum1 (talk) 16:23, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * So, propose it.  PK  T (alk)  16:36, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

FLRC
nominated List of Canadian provinces and territories by area for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Arsenikk (talk)  20:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

nominated List of Canadian provinces and territories by population for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Arsenikk (talk)  20:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Category:First Nations settlements in British Columbia needed
I just removed the Category:First Nations reserves in British Columbia from Lower Post, British Columbia as it is NOT an Indian Reserve, it is only an unincoporated community; a category for settlements is needed...it would include inhabited IRs. I've also removed the cat from Kung (Haida village) and put it on the related IR redirect (Kung Indian Reserve No. 11) and have done similar with other situations where the placename is not the same thing as, but may include, the IR; e.g. Alkali Lake Indian Reserve No. 1 has the category, but is a redirect to Alkali Lake, British Columbia, which is considerably more than the reserve. There are also lots of historical villages that never had IRs ,and also sites and villages of the Nisga'a and Sechelt which are no longer Indian Reserves and should not be referred to as such (in Nisga'a Treaty terminology, former IRs are "sites" and re the Sechelt Indian Government then are now Indian Government Districts. I've never been happy with the "First Nations reserves" cat's name, but have also had issues with its mis-use and abuse; the category still needs "cleaning" but a separate settlements category would go a long way to sorting out the difference between the legal land-status/holding of an IR vs an actual settlement. Some reserves, also, ahve more than one settlement in them, just as there are settlements like Lower Post or Caribou Hide (Metsantan) which were never IRs; this applies also to archaeological sites like Xa:ytem.....Skookum1 (talk) 17:51, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * A related problem arising from the category name as proposed is that various municipalities and other locations that have significant First Nations populations would be implicitly included, or could be; e.g. the various reserves flanking the District of Lillooet, which itself (the district) has a strong FN population component, are all still "Lillooet"; Seton Portage is currently in the category (for now, though I'll be making redirects that will host the category) but it's not just an FN community; Hazelton, Prince Rupert etc are also tehnically "First Nations settltments" as is, actually, the City of VAncouver itself (with the province's largest FN population, in fact, though all "off reserve").Skookum1 (talk) 18:13, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Canada-related articles)#Date format: Towards consistency: M D Y or D M Y ?
Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Canada-related articles) and comment. –xenotalk 15:03, 21 November 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stratshaw (talk • contribs)

Samuel Hearne
You cite him as being born in Dorset in 1745. There is a Samuel christened 28 SEP 1743  Carter Ln Blackfriars Pres, London, London, England on www.Familysearch.org Mormons website see IGI C041281 and a James Hearn christened in London to Richard and Ann 28 APR 1745  St Botolph Bishopsgate, London, London, England on IGI C001615 None in Dorset or Somerset. While not 100% accurate the Dorset claim seems worth checking. Howardmcn (talk) 19:36, 22 November 2009 (UTC) 86.11.133.67 (talk) 20:07, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

VIA Rail
VIA Rail has been requested to be renamed. 76.66.197.2 (talk) 06:29, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is a link to the discussion.  PK T (alk)  15:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Universities COTM Nominations
Hello Canadian Wikipedians. I just wanted to let you all know that three universities handled by WikiProject Canada (Simon Fraser University, Université de Montréal, and University of Ottawa) have been nominated for next month's WikiProject Universities Collaboration of the Month. If you'd like to take advantage of this opportunity, be sure to vote for one of the universities. While you're there, consider helping improve one of our current Collaborations of the Month.

Happy editing! -Mabeenot (talk) 19:13, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Liberal Party of Canada leadership convention, 1968 - Featured Article Review
nominated Liberal Party of Canada leadership convention, 1968 for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Tom B (talk) 14:59, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

The Canadian Encyclopedia
It seems that a number of Wikipedia editors have unilaterally decided to remove links I have added to related Wikipedia articles. They tell me that adding a number of links to one source, such as The Canadian Encyclopedia, is considered to be "spam" and "advertising." In fact, such claims are totally erroneous and totally counter to my intentions. I am not adding articles indiscriminately; I am not trying to "spam"; I'm not trying to advertise. My sole intention is to bolster Canadian content on Wikipedia, and The Canadian Encyclopedia happens to be one of the few really good references sources about Canadian topics on the Internet. Yes, there are many other good sites that have Canadian origins, but, despite the admirable work done on the Wikipedia website, the actual amount of Canadian content on the Net is minuscule compared to content that originates from other countries. So, I wish to be permitted to link to articles from The Canadian Encyclopedia because it is a reasonably good, very convenient, and non-commercial source of information that usefully augments the content of many, but not all, Wikipedia articles. So, again, I wish to have my actions in Wikipedia to be considered in "good faith" as mentioned in so many discussions in various sections of Wikipedia. Please allow me to contribute to Wikipedia by adding links that enhance the knowledge base of a particular topic.

In addition, some of the links I have added are to Maclean's Magazine. They are links to articles that contain unique content and perspectives. There is no advertising on these pages. These links are not "advertising" and they certainly are not "spam."

And just for your information, as I mentioned on my own page, an encyclopedia has been regarded throughout history as the first or introductory reference source on a topic. Typically, readers would progress from an encyclopedia entry to more detailed and comprehensive references on that topic that would be listed in an article’s bibliography, in a list of references, or, today, in a list of related external websites. So, the idea of limiting or restricting links to other useful (and noncommercial) references on a particular topic runs counter to the most basic objectives of established intellectual scholarship and research. Lists of useful external links are signs of active and inquisitive scholarship as well as, in general, an indication of the level of interest in a topic. So, I wish to request that you permit me to continue to enhance the scholarship quotient of Wikipedia by adding links to "appropriate," academically sound, informational websites. Thank you for your attention. Stratshaw (talk) 06:23, 21 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Again, such links are more appropriately added as references for specific statements in the article, rather than as direct external links. If you're so concerned about the scholarship quotient of Wikipedia, why do you seem to have such a deep aversion to the concept of footnoting? Bearcat (talk) 08:11, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Vancouver
- Mkdw talk 20:43, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Additional Note: We could sincerely use any help possible for this article. The 2010 Winter Olympics will be here in only months and the article Vancouver will become one of the most visited articles on Wikipedia. It is our hope to get this article restored to featured article status by the end of January 2010. The article was last worked over in its entirety in 2006 and since has fallen into quite disarray. All the help we can gather would be much appreciated for this large undertaking. Mkdw talk 10:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Pageview stats
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Canada to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at WikiProject Canada/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 00:47, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Book-class
Since several Wikipedia-Books are Canada related, could this project adopt the book-class? This would really help WikiProject Wikipedia-Books, as the WikiProject Canada people can oversee books like Canadian campaign of 1775 much better than we could as far as merging, deletion, content, and such are concerned. Eventually there probably will be a "Books for discussion" process, so that would be incorporated in the Article Alerts. I'm placing this here rather than on the template page since several taskforces would be concerned.

There's an article in this week Signpost if you aren't familiar with Wikipedia-Books and classes in general. Thanks. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 20:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Colleges and universities
Some recently added hatnotes to the University of Lethbridge and Lethbridge College articles in an effort to minimize confusion between the two institutions. Based on the editor’s comments, it seems he views the articles from a US-centric view in which there is no definitive difference between “college” and “university”. If you have an opinion on this, please chime in on either talk page. Thanks. --Kmsiever (talk) 03:59, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

They shot a movie once in my hometown...
I've just now caught that our article on the Tragically Hip song "Blow at High Dough" has spent most of 2009 claiming that the song is about a cocaine binge on the set of a porn film. (Everybody was in a porn film for miles around? I think not!) I've restubbed it, though that means it's now an unsourced substub that says little more than what album the song is on and what TV show used it as theme music. Does anybody either (a) have some viable sources to expand the article properly, and/or (b) think maybe we don't really need a separate article about it at all? Bearcat (talk) 09:05, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * My first reaction is that the song is obviously notable, but after searching, it'd be hard to back that up with sources. Chart searching comes up with 11 weeks on RPM100 (final week on chart) peaking at 48 (link), and #1 on Cancon chart (link). I can't find any reviews, etc, that discuss this song specifically; the only reference for the Made in Canada bit is IMDB, which isn't enough for notability. Is the chart info enough for the song to be notable? -M.Nelson (talk) 17:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I would suspect most legitimate sources for this are not online. There are certainly going to be offline sources for this in Canadian magazine and newspaper archives. At least, I think it's likely that there would be. Mind  matrix  17:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I've done a search of the Toronto Star archives (which has full text search, but the articles are behind a paywall). The title of the song is, at the very least, mentioned in 22 documents (Jan 1988 - Dec 2003). Whether there's anything of substance there is another matter. Mind  matrix  17:43, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree in principle with calling it "obviously notable" — but a topic can be notable in theory, and still not really be referenceable enough to actually support an independent article. Bearcat (talk) 17:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Endless edit war at Federal minority governments in Canada
The list at the bottom of Federal minority governments in Canada has had a few changes go back and forth for years. Most have been resolved, but the issue of where to put the 14th Parliament is still unresolved. Let's discuss here to finaly find a consensus for this. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 21:52, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

École Polytechnique massacre‎ and Marc Lépine‎
This weekend is the 20th anniversary of the massacre, and both of these articles (one featured, the other a good article) both will likely be much read and edited, given the media interest and the fact that they will probably be linked from the main page on Sunday. This time of the year always brings out its share of good faith editors and others with a point of view to push. Some extra eyes watching and advising would be great. Thanks--Slp1 (talk) 13:38, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Belleville, triplets not included.
An anon editor recently tagged Belleville, Ontario as non-notable and possibly a hoax, with their edit summary claiming that ''Bellevillle Ontario is a small backwater of ~100 people, not a county seat and does not have almost 100k residents. That this hoax be allowed to stand is madness. Of course, in actual fact, Belleville is'' a county seat and the population figures in our article (48K city, 91K CA) are both correct and cited to the census. So needless to say, the anon is either woefully misinformed or deliberately posting falsehoods.

The problem here is that the fiction stood on the article for almost five hours, and even I only caught it because I was looking at for another reason.

I've corrected this particular situation, but could a few willing editors add this one to your watchlists in case this nudnik comes back? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 02:37, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm in. Nudniks beware.  PK  T (alk)  02:43, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Template:Infobox weather
Just to note that any Canadian articles that use Infobox weather and include the humidity might need correcting. They need the letter "D" added after "Hum" to give "HumD". We use the Humidex rather than a % humidity. Also the wind chill can now be added. See Geography and climate of Toronto for an examples of both. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 23:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Raised relief map
Does anybody have an idea about this discussion ? Thank you Zorionblabla  9 December 2009 à 01:10 (ET)  —Preceding undated comment added 06:10, 9 December 2009 (UTC).

Flags in Infobox settlement
I've been adding infoboxes to articles about Ontario communities in the past few weeks. I've noticed that some of these are "updated" by replacing entries such as "Ontario" with a template ON which adds a flag preceding the word (compare Bramalea, Ontario to Wallaceburg, Ontario). Frankly, I'm opposed to this, but figured I'd ask for other opinions. The reason for my opposition is because the flags :


 * add nothing of value (province and country are already mentioned)
 * add visual clutter
 * reduce legibility, and increase the amount of time to parse the infobox

Can anybody add further comments in support of opposition to the use of these flags. Mind matrix  17:53, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I've never really understood the rationale for including the flag icons in infoboxes (I agree with all of your reasons, not to mention many flags are virtually unidentifiable at that scale). However, I understand there have been some fairly epic battles over the subject in the past.  The current guideline is at WP:MOSFLAG. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 18:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It's correct that we're not supposed to be using flags in infoboxes like that. I know some people think it makes the box look prettier, but as Skeezix pointed out there's an actual policy explicitly saying not to do it. Bearcat (talk) 00:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Conservative Party of Canada leadership convention, 2004
I oppose moving that article back to Conservative Party of Canada leadership election, 2004. But, I welcome additional input at that article's talkpage. GoodDay (talk) 20:38, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

One for the music contingent
Bit of a problem at The Slew that could use some help cleaning up. There is a genuinely notable band by this name, a multinational electronic project that's inclusive of Canadian electronic musician Kid Koala — however, the article as written is problematic: I can't tell whether somebody accidentally conflated two distinct bands that happened to have the same name, or whether somebody invented a fictional backstory for the real band. Any chance that somebody from the Canadian music project could help me source it up properly? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 21:11, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Kraft Dinner move request
FYI. There is currently a move request to move Kraft Dinner to Kraft Macaroni and Cheese. Because of regional usage of the term, I suspect there is interest in members of the this community to know the move is proposed. --Labattblueboy (talk) 06:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

List of Canadian diplomats source
It seems that diplomats individual histories on the Foreign Affairs website can no longer be directly linked to. How can we best get around this to provide the best and most direct link? NorthernThunder (talk) 07:29, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you clarify what the problem is? I can get to T.J. Arcand's posting history (par exemple) in one click. What "individual histories" did there used to be, and how did you used to get to them? Franamax (talk) 09:15, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Canadian request for article
I would like to ask for an article about a living person: Diane Urquhart (Canada AM - Nortel Abuse of Employment Insurance System) but I cannot figure out where to best place my request. I wonder if anyone here can help? Ottawahitech (talk) 03:25, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if she is sufficiently notable for an article - are there any sources about Diane Urquhart? Has she won any awards or had her work discussed? If so, you could look at Articles for creation and maybe Requested articles, but probably AFC. You will need sources to show notability. AFC looks to be a pretty active project. Franamax (talk) 09:06, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

References section
Not sure if this is OK on talkpages, but quoted items above have reference tags, so:

FLRC: Territorial evolution of Canada
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Killer Whale - featured article review
nominated Killer Whale for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Tom B (talk) 19:51, 30 December 2009 (UTC)