Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 16

Category:Former cooperatives
I have recreated Category:Former cooperatives and Category:Former mutual insurance companies. These categiories were never tagged for deletion, only renaming. In the discussion no argument was presented for deletion. -- Petri Krohn 03:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The argument that being a demutualised cooperative was "not a defining characteristic" was accepted by everyone except you. And even you didn't reject it, you simply didn't comment on it. As for the first point, once the categories are under discussion, whatever the original proposal was, they may be deleted, renamed, merged, diffused, repurposed, redirected, or any combination of these things. If you felt that the outcome was flawed, you should have opened a discussion at deletion review, not simply recreated the categories. Angus McLellan (Talk) 09:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That issue was not under discussion, but I am making the argument now: For most of the organizations listed, being a cooperative or a mutual insurance company was the most their defining characteristic through out most of their existance.
 * The Helsinki Telephone Association was founded as a telephone cooperative in 1882. Only in 2000 (that is 118 years later) was it turned into the present Elisa Oyj.
 * The second sentence from the intro of Metropolitan Life Insurance Company: The firm was founded on March 24, 1868. For most of its life the company was a mutual organization, but it went public in 2000.
 * -- Petri Krohn 13:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That didn't answer the question. This is self-evidently a case for you opening a deletion review or me speedy deleting the category per WP:CSD. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)