Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 June 14

Bias term (moved from main page after discussion was closed)
There was no valid explanation for using the bias term remedies. How is the word remedies a neutral term. The word remedies implies effectiveness. One of the WP:COMMONNAMES is "homeopathic remedies" but the more neutral term is "homeopathic preparations". NPOV is non-negotiable. See WP:NPOV. QuackGuru (talk) 17:55, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * COMMONNAME is somewhat on point here. Although you could argue that there is no one "single common name", I think it was made clear that "remedies" is the most common name. Even if the common name used in the real world is inherently non-neutral, WP still uses it. In that sense, NPOV is indeed "negotiable". Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed you are wrong. COMMONNAME is not on point here. That is for article titles. This is a category. We don't have a guideline or policy for this situation except to follow NPOV. QuackGuru (talk) 02:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm providing a rationale by analogy. I realise you disagree with the result, but I don't believe things are as black-and-white as you suggest. There was a dispute as to whether "remedies" was even non-neutral in the first place, so I think it's fair to acknowledge that it's a situation where a decision should be made via a discussion of editors, which was what was done here. If you think the discussion was somehow closed improperly, you should probably approach the user who closed it for feedback since it's unlikely he would see this discussion to respond. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:35, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You did not provide a rationale analogy. You provided a somewhat irrelevant wikilink. You have not shown COMMONNAME is specifically about categories. You were unable to provide a direct response to my comment on this point. Homeopathy is not a remedy or a cure for anything. The word "remedies" implies a positive connotation, compared to the more neutral term. Please show how homeopathy is effective as a so-called remedy beyond a placebo effect in accordance with WP:MEDRS. QuackGuru (talk) 03:08, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm not interesting in going through the same discussion again. I was trying to be of assistance; it appears to me that you just want to argue the point, and I'm not interested in that. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:34, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It appears that you were arguing that there was a rationale explanation. That argument was just as effective as diluted homeopathy water memory preparations. QuackGuru (talk) 03:50, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hahahaha! Oh, mercy (wipes tear from eye). Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:55, 8 July 2010 (UTC)