Wikipedia talk:China-related topics notice board/2007

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Which date format to use?
There is an ongoing debate at the talk page for WP:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) as to whether to use day-month-year or month-day-year date format in articles with a strong tie to a specific country. The debate has reached the point where the choice is between the format actually used in the country, or dependent on the variety of English used in articles about that country. This is straightforward for countries such as the U.S.A. or the U.K., but problematic when considering countries where English is not an official language. With the removal of date autoformatting, editors will increasingly see dates presented in "raw" form, rather than as set in user preferences. The current proposal is found here. --Pete (talk) 10:44, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Cantonese wikiproject?
Is there a WP:Canton or Cantonese WikiProject? (dealing with the people, province, diaspora, etc) 09:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.8.75 (talk)

Charles Zhang
Hi all, I have started a new project. Please feel free to help out, improve & correct my mistakes. Thank you. TheAsianGURU (talk) 22:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

requested moves: Cantonese and Standard Cantonese
Cantonese and Standard Cantonese are both up for renaming at WP:RM 70.55.200.131 (talk) 16:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

requested move: Yue Chinese
Yue Chinese is up for renaming at WP:RM 70.55.86.100 (talk) 10:09, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Hoax article on English and Chinese Wikipedias
I'm hoping someone might be able to go over to the Chinese Wikipedia and flag an article there as a hoax. Aleksei Meng was deleted here as an obvious hoax (discussion), but I noticed the author has also created versions on the Russian and Chinese WPs as well. Thanks! &mdash; BillC talk 05:57, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Now deleted. &mdash; BillC talk 14:51, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Songjin?
I just removed a massive copyright violation from Battle of Songjin. I was trying to add information to that article, but I cannot find anything on the battle. When and where did it take place? Is an alternative spelling more common? Expert input would be greatly appreciated. (There was a battle between Japan and Korea in 1592 known as "Battle of Songjin" .) Cheers, AxelBoldt (talk) 20:05, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Chinese exclamative particles
I just created Chinese exclamative particles, should this be added to WP China? --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs 11:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. TheAsianGURU (talk) 18:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

POV review of new article
Weiquan movement Picked this up on patrol, seemed to me to fail NPOV just slightly, removed a useless and subtly POV pushing gallery. Written by author who's user page says opposes communism, so assuming was not NPOV in initial creation (I'm neither for or against any government type, prefer to consider governments by their leadership and actions, not format). Thank you. &eta;oian  &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  07:04, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Linguistics and related boxes, please make distinctions
The linguistics box should include the romanizations appliable to the correspondent chinese characters... For instance, in the ROC, we can see IN THE LINGUISTICS BOX both the simplified and the traditional: In the country profile we only see the traditional variant, CAUSE THATS THE OFFICIAL ONE THERE... DPP has its own linguistics box and its own political box, the same applies to some newspapers, TV channels... and so on... Is this a policy or an established guideline? If not, Id like to propose it... Gumuhua (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Guidelines for "China" vs. "PRC" usage
Please join the new discussion about Guidelines for "China" vs. "PRC" usage on the People's Republic of China article --Cybercobra (talk) 06:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Need Reliable Chinese Source for Battle of Triangle Hill (上甘岭战役)...
Right now I'm trying to make this article into A-Class status, but it start to look impossible if I put 周明's article as a reference for Chinese side of the action. I tried to find a replacement source, but all mainland sources bounced back to this article one way or the other. CCTV, Xinhua and PLA publishing house looks like a no-no unless I want to be accused of rewriting history. Several Wikipedians suggested that I remove this source all together, but then the article would boil down to a typical UN vs Chinese horde story, which is biased against the Chinese side.

Is there a hope to find a reliable source that tells the Chinese side of the 上甘岭 story? Or this article will stuck at B-Class like all the other articles dealing with PRC history? Jim101 (talk) 04:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * First of all, I want to say that what you are doing is quite impressive. Ever since I saw the Battle on Shangganling Mountain's (the movie) wiki entry, I realized Triangle Hill’s article entry is important. Chinese RSs are going to be very difficult to find. Because of the movie (Shangganling), there is a huge amount of Chinese sources about the background of the battle. However, as you pointed out before, I would also rate almost all of 99% are heavily bias and do not truly reflect the battle field condition. Or, we can find sources from Taiwan (also written in Chinese). It was during a period of strong hatred, and the soon followed First Taiwan Strait Crisis made them also, not so great Chinese RS.
 * The bright side is that more and more Chinese information about the Korean War are opened up. So hopefully, we'll be able to add more Chinese RS in the future. Again, keep up the good work. TheAsianGURU (talk) 20:46, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What can I say...having a family memember lost a finger there tend to give me extra motiviation.
 * So, by experiences...is it possbile to bring this article, free of bias, to A-class with a Chinese source? How do Wikipedians balancing polarising POVs? Jim101 (talk) 22:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don’t want to put a damper on your enthusiatism, but if you look around, class GA and above Chinese related articles are almost all categorized in history, location, item, games, culture, language and other “non-sensitive” topics. Battle of Triangle Hills is a very “sensitive” topic and the outcome of the battle is even more “sensitive.” Take a look at Sino-Vietnamese War, that article is already beyond repaired. Or take a look at the main article at Korean War, with 2 neutrality tags, 2 clean up & 1 additional ref tag, you can hardly call it a “Good Article.” This is a problem for all of us here at Project China and personally, I believe it’s also partly because Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China. I do believe this article can easily jump to GA Status and I found a ref from the Chinese Language Wiki that you might think it’s helpful. It’s about a Chinese Sniper & his story & accounts on Triangle Hill. It was writen based on a CCTV interview in 2003. Good luck. TheAsianGURU (talk) 23:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. Jim101 (talk) 23:33, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

questionable series of CN representation edits
Hi, someone with more contextual understanding may want to review these edits: Special:Contributions/124.244.243.111 - I fixed a couple blatant ones regarding deletion and WP:NC-CHINA, but I sense additional POV-pushing. —EqualRights (talk) 13:13, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Baidu 10 Mythical Creatures (Internet meme)
Add this? It is generating much hype over Chinese cyberspace in recent times, a popular Chinese internet meme arising in early 2009. The article has over 10k+ views, and has even been slashdotted, and noted in a French article. Baidu 10 Mythical Creatures (Internet meme) was written by me during early March, and needs regular watching and regulation, as some IP editors with poor English skills are frequently contributing, reducing the quality of the article. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs 05:42, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Naming Laws in the People's Republic of China
New article created by me: Naming Laws in the People's Republic of China --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 02:34, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Classical Chinese grammar
Created new article. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 06:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Junmin Shenfenzheng
You can kinda guess. I've had plenty of free time lately to write, write, write. Here's another China related article. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 14:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have to say, I found the "ID #" section most intriguing, informative, thx for the infor. TheAsianGURU (talk) 21:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Another article created: Nine exterminations. (I've guessed you're all tired of me making these damn new sections, aren't you? Hehe.) --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 14:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, I'm not entirely sure how to accurately translate "株连九族". If anyone has a better idea, please feel free to change the article title. Thanks. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 14:19, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * New article: Mongoloid cuticle. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 04:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * New article: Zhonghua Zihai. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 14:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Request Split for Three-legged_bird
I think each countries three-legged bird should have its own article. whipsandchains (talk) 04:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

New Article Zhenniao
A new article created by me Zhenniao whipsandchains (talk) 06:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Request assistance
You can help with a source dispute, by taking a look at this article in Chinese, and then checking to see whether the translated material in this English article is accurately translated. Please add your comments to Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Thanks in advance for your help. --Coleacanth (talk) 21:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Working on it here. Jim101 (talk) 22:52, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Jim101 (talk) 02:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Futian incident and Anti-Bolshevik League incident
Futian incident and Anti-Bolshevik League incident need more wikification, translation, and verification of sources.--60.242.159.224 (talk) 08:51, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Propaganda Department of the Communist Party of China
Really?! That's the name?! Funny while it is, lol...but we might need an admit WP:Rollback feature. TheAsianGURU (talk) 23:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Books of divine wisdom in Chinese language
This article is somewhat isolated.Not sure where it should go.Should be merged into something relevant. --Adi4094 (talk) 09:42, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Chinese intellectualism
This promising article ends with a thud somewhere around 1986. I suppose I could attempt to take it forward, but it would be an immense task and I'm not the ideal person for it.

Pristine2 (talk) 11:18, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Zhang Ruimin
I created an article a while back about Haier CEO Zhang Ruimin. Should it be included in WP China? Spike888 (talk) 07:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've so tagged it. Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 11:55, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. 96.49.78.62 (talk) 20:12, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Cihou Fort check-up request
Would any of English native-speakers be so kind as to check the article? I did my best, but... ;) Thanks in advance--Felis domestica (talk) 11:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Chinese addition to the list of "not in English" tags
If someone fluent in written Chinese could create a suitable tag for listing at Pages needing translation into English/Templates for user talk pages that would be fantastic. It's hard to tell sometimes if users who contribute in a foreign language have any knowledge whatsoever of English, so a translated version of this notice would be really helpful in communicating with them. Thanks! Beeblebrox (talk) 21:54, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Jim101 (talk) 00:31, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Wo Hop To Triad page mangled!
I hope that I am putting this somewhere where people will notice it, and that I am not stopping the workflow of this group, but the Wikipedia article on the Wo_Hop_To Triad is very badly in need of work!

Someone please check Chinese language addition at MILF
Could someone please take a look at this newly added section to the article: MILF? It says "C9" is a Chinese-language equivalent to the word MILF, which means a sexy older woman. But the page is often vandalized, so I would like to be sure this information in Chinese is correct and appropriate. Thank you! --MelanieN (talk) 14:17, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Does mean middle-aged woman, but doesn't have that sexual connotation, AFAIK. So it's been blanked by an IP - not vandalism ;-) -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 07:00, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Ayi Jihu
Would someone with more time than me like to take Ayi Jihu through deletion? The article as it stands is about a non-notable Yi singer.

If you follow the apparently impressive references on the BBC website, it's clear they've been hoaxed. See these blog articles from the specialist blog China Music Radar:

Who the hell is Ayi Jihu?

More Ayi Jihu

I know it's the BBC vs a blog, but 5 minutes searching major Chinese MP3 sites (Baidu MP3 search, Google Music) and video sites (Tudou, Youku) makes a mockery of the idea that she's a major artist in China. Her PR people are playing off both sides, telling the Chinese that she's big in the UK, and the Brits that she's big in China.

I think it will be difficult to get Wikipedians to see this though: she has a reliable source on her side vs blogs and original research.

Matt's talk 02:22, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Assessment of WikiProject China articles
I've been helping out with the assessment of China-related articles for a couple of months. Some editors from outside the WPCHINA community has had issues with my tagging. Some articles which were tagged by a bot User:WPArkansas Bot who were replacing WPCHINA tags with WikiProject China tags. Other times the User:WPArkansas Bot helps the project more by tagging new articles with the tags.

I believe I have followed the guidelines set out in WikiProject China/Assessment and I haven't contravene any instructions on the page. In fact, the instructions explicitly state we use WPCHINA. e.g. WikiProject_China/Assessment I see no problems with it. The issue is editors outside the project has other ideas about it. I don't think they are necessary wrong or correct. But its just a different way of doing things. They prefer to use WikiProject China which I'm perfectly happy to use if it is stated in writing thats the policy or guidelines. I've not seen the discussion yet.

I'm happy to come to agreement to leave existing tags as they are and just update the importance parameters. If the community has active members who can contribute to this discussion that would be valuable and useful. So we can all resolve this issue and reduce the issue to a technical one rather than a preference from another community. --Visik (talk) 04:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * From what I can see, WPCHINA is a redirect, and it would not be wrong of the bot to replace this with WikiProject China provided the bot was also making consequential edits. In the cases I have examined, it merely replaces the WPCHINA tag and additionally rates articles of stub status, which appears fine. Is there something else I'm missing? -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 04:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Ohconfucius, thanks for your input. I have no issues with the bot. But I have been tagging articles with WPCHINA and some editors have raised the issue that I should use the full name. But in the assessment guidelines of this project, WikiProject China or WPCHINA is acceptable. What is your opinion on this? Can I continue on using WPCHINA or should I use WikiProject China for the sake of standardisation with other projects. Thing is, there are a couple of bots going round changing it to the full names anyway. So I don't see any issue there. --Visik (talk) 05:58, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If you find it more convenient to tag with WPCHINA (i.e. if you are tagging manually), then continue by all means to do so. If it's all the same to you, then I would suggest that you use WikiProject China, to save on potential server activity. -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 06:02, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * That's a fair comment there. To play my bit for the environment and reduce the carbon footprint (bot re-tagging again), I'll leave the WikiProject China tags there rather than change it. Any other variations I'll change it to WikiProject China or WPCHINA for manual tagging. Need to rework my configuration for AWB. This should resolved the issue. Thanks for your help. --Visik (talk) 06:26, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Rang Ju article help
I have created a draft of Rang Ju article, as it is requested in the requested articles section. Obviously, since this is my first article and I am not familiar with how things work in this project (for all I know, I could be posting this in the wrong place), so I'd like some help please. The article is in my userspace. Zlqq2144 (talk) 11:44, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, it's mostly done now, can someone check it through? If nobody does in, say, 2 days, I'll create the article. Zlqq2144 (talk) 06:09, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I want help and collaboration on History of the Ming Dynasty and Ming Dynasty
Anyone looking over History of the Ming Dynasty and Ming Dynasty to improve and add citations (as I was today) should be disturbed; they are very similar, often sections are identical instead of the Ming article containing a briefer summary of History of the Ming Dynasty. I have a ton of secondary sources on the Ming, and want to add facts and citations but feel I can't until this fundamental, underlying problem is addressed. Can any of you from WikiProject Chinese History collaborate and help me improve Ming content and rectify this problem that is a stain on Wikipedia's usually excellent coverage of China's important history? --NickDupree (talk) 02:56, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Foot Emancipation Society
A Google search turns up references to this topic as part of a title of a novel, while the article includes only references to Chinese sources. Can someone fluent in the language verify the article's content and the sources' validity, and perhaps add English sources? Thanks. 99.156.70.138 (talk) 02:03, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

RfC: Should Imperial Decree on events leading up to the signing of the Boxer Protocol be merged into Boxer Protocol?
Please comment on this RfC at #RfC:Should Imperial Decree on events leading up to the signing of the Boxer Protocol be merged into Boxer Protocol?

This is a plain and simple case of content forking, and should be added to the parent article on the subject so people will actually find it! --NickDupree (talk) 01:43, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

China-related topics notice board/ZHCOTM
...has been reactivated for a trial run from July 2011. Anyone is welcome to figure out how prominently to display it on the noticeboard. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:41, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Undo the previous move
A move request has been submited here. 61.18.170.218 (talk) 09:14, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Ethnic issues in the People's Republic of China
I ran across this article while reviewing IP edits, and I'm honestly not sure to whose attention this should be brought. ::grin:: So I brought it here, where experts may be lurking. It has a multitude of issues, and needs some love. TreacherousWays (talk) 12:03, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

China and the International Space Station
I added this bit, and it may now fall within project China. Considering the ever-changing political landscape I would suggest it is a good call for inclusion, as China, Europe and Russia will continue to work ever-closer in the push for a manned spaceflight mission to the planet Mars. America will either sideline itself in the Mars mission or change it's views on Chinese inclusion in the ISS project. The basis for it's inclusion is extremely unlikely to wane over time, it is most likely to increase. Penyulap  talk 04:59, 4 January 2012 (UTC)