Wikipedia talk:Citation needed/Archive 2

removal of "citation needed" template
Is it appropriate for [citation needed] templates to be removed without any citations being added, such as in this edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oneworld&diff=348685217&oldid=348590027 ? --96.32.133.130 (talk) 00:42, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Another call to remove the XKCD comic
I've seen the discussions above, but none of them seem to have any real conclusion. I'm here to argue that the XKCD comic serves no purpose and should be removed.

1) The simple fact is that the comic does not "Illustrate the concept" as people keep saying. It doesn't it parodies the concept. Any new user looking at this page will not learn the use of [citation needed] by looking at the comic. The comic is a joke made for people who already know the use of [citation needed].

In short the comic is not an illustration of the concept, but a joke about it.

2) There is no need for a visual representation of [citation needed], it doesn't help to explain it by drawing a comic around it. The text example included in the article    "Example: Most people believe in ghosts.[citation needed]" is a much better, faster and simpler way of showing how it works. The comic doesn't simplify anything.

3) Let's be honest the only reason why this XKCD comic is on here is because a lot of people here are XKCD fans. Why this comic was chosen to be put on here while the article explains it perfectly well and the comic doesn't is simply because of XKCD fanboyism.

4) There are already way to many XKCD comics on wikipedia with questionable arguments for why they should be included on wikipedia. Ok, you like XKCD and there's a comic about a certain subject that's also on wikipedia. So what? Shall we just include every single work of entertainment to every page whenever they even mention the subject of the article? I'm personally a fan of Explosm, let's include Seizure Man in the article on wikipedia.

To compare it with an XKCD comic, this is getting worse then the one where the In popular culture section is parodied by mentioning the Fence of the Simpsons on the article about wood. It's become one big joke and you know it, you know you don't really want the comic to stay because it illustrates the concept. So let's remove it already. CyberWasteland (talk) 13:31, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see much of a problem with it being there. In fact, I kinda like it.  FallenMorgan (talk) 18:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Adding my 2¢ of support for the inclusion of the illustration, per Agradman's rationale further above.
 * Also to point towards these interlanguage versions which include the illustration: it:, ko:, bg:, and the French version fr: uses a different comic as illustration. There are probably many more uses of commons:File:Webcomic xkcd - Wikipedian protester.png and its 6 translations, in the various languages' official project pages, but I'm insufficiently polyglot to track them down. -- Quiddity (talk) 23:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Much crying about nothing. WP:IDONTLIKEIT etc, etc, etc. Vodello (talk) 00:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * FWIW, I think the comic should be removed. I give my rationale above and won't repeat it here.  I don't regard it as a big deal either way, but since we're weighing in, here's my $0.42 (inflation).  — DragonHawk (talk|hist) 02:16, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. Without repeating my entire response from last August, it's good for newbies because it captures a lot of values in Wikipedia, internet, and democracy. Andrew Gradman talk/WP:Hornbook 04:12, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Democracy? Wikipedia is not a democracy. • That said, we're not getting much discussion here.  Perhaps an WP:RFC is in order?  — DragonHawk (talk|hist) 23:47, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting idea. I would support an RfC.  I agree that this is a close question, and I would like to see it resolved in a more legitimate fashion.  Please let me know if/when you do initiate the RfC; I would like to have the opportunity to be the first person to speak on behalf of the pro-xkdc crowd. Andrew Gradman talk/WP:Hornbook 00:21, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The comic injects a bit of humour into the discourse, and reminds us not to take things too seriously, because once you do that, you end up like our friend here.Johnny Wishbone (talk) 19:33, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for enriching this discussion by being an asshole.CyberWasteland (talk) 19:11, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I rest my case. Johnny Wishbone (talk) 06:06, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry that you like the comic so much that you won't even accept someone suggesting it's kind of pointless, but it is. I'm sure you didn't take it too serious when you started patronising me for saying the comic was out of place. CyberWasteland (talk) 16:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Keep it simple
I just removed a bunch of stuff from this page, per WP:CREEP. Respectfully submitted, — DragonHawk (talk|hist) 23:35, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Please keep in mind that this page is intended for people who do not understand what "Citation needed" even means.  It's a counter-WP:BITE mechanism.  As such, it should be kept as simple as possible.
 * 2) In particular, this page is not intended to be a tutorial on how to cite sources.  That's what the links to the other pages are for.  Tell them to add the info, and let the wiki magic handle making it look pretty.
 * 3) Bolding around half the words in a page makes it hard to read.  Such font abuse goes against any manual of style, include our own.
 * 4) I'm not sure about consensus on the xkcd image, and as such have left it, but decorating this page with more images which have nothing to do with the purpose of this page is very counter-productive.
 * 5) The KISS principle should be the overriding principle here.


 * I too support removing of too much of bolding. But i reinstated the subst of template to avoid self-link. Doorvery far (talk) 06:41, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I've restored the unmodified syntax. Experience has shown that newcomers will copy whatever they see on this page.  See Wikipedia talk:Citation needed/Archive 1.  So if we don't use the "real thing" here, newcomers copy that and mess up articles.  — DragonHawk (talk|hist) 13:36, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Anti-Americanism in SL
The thing that I have to say about SL that no one else has, is that for a chat program designed and supported by Europeans, is that it's not bad. What makes it bad is that there are EU Linden staff that don't know how to keep their personal feelings for Americans out of complaint investigations. On numerous investigations, I have been witness to complaints by Americans go unnoticed by Harry Linden, a European Linden. Here are two examples of two well known complaints that Linden Labs has failed to take notice of:

A complaint was submitted to Linden Labs when two German players invaded and griefed a private sim. The harrasements continued even despite the American owners' repeated complaints. After about four more months of this, Harry Linden had put the two American acccounts on hold until they provided a copy of their identification. After they did so, the American accounts were deleted and banned within two minutes after the information was posted.

An American man in SL named Bane Peccable had sent constant complaints against a Canadian female named Stephanie Steamweaver. His complaints consisted of his observations that she had violated the Linden TOS on multiple occasions, encouraged others to violate the Linden TOS, stalking, harrasement of all degrees, character defemation, and giving out real world information. Once again, it was Harry Linden who had taken the case. After putting Bane's account on hold until he provided a copy of his identification. Once again, this was done, and within minutes deleted and banned Bane's account. Why? Because his identification identified him as an American.

So, still think the Lindens handle things in a fair way? You might want to think again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.96.191 (talk) 16:00, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Make it balanced
It should be "intended for people who do not understand what 'Citation needed' even means," and should give an idea of when to use it and when not to use it. It's correct that anybody may add the tag, but it's also true that the template says it should be used for questionable claims. It should be recommended for exceptional claims, claims that go against conventional wisdom, quotes, and scientific data. A citation is not needed for a claim that George Washington was President of the United States of America, for example.

Overuse of this tag is getting extreme in some places. Within the past few years, I've seen the tag used for simple statements such as "There is no set recipe for minestrone." Given that a search for a recipe comes up with thousands of hits, or that picking up two cans of minestrone soup in the supermarket will show different ingredients, it goes without saying. Finding a source for the statement "red and blue are considered different colors" is difficult because when things go without saying, nobody says them and there's nobody to cite.

It should be kept simple, but one more sentence saying when a citation should be asked for would clarify things. Hagrinas (talk) 22:47, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Tony Silva Transcript Citations
Transcripts of the Silva Evidentiary Hearing may be obtained from the Northern District Court of Illinois, Eastern Division filed under Case 1:94-cr-00760. There are 10 volumes of transcripts (Item Nos. 139, 142-1 through 142-9). The following are just a few of the crucial points made on record during this hearing.

Transcript, Volume I, Pp.5, 6,  March 6, 1996. Attorney Dave Schippers formally objects to all hearsay that was entered into testimony.

Transcript, Volume II, Pp 113, 137, 140, 163. March 7, 1996. These pages expose the lack of credibility of three key witnesses for the government. For further reading, see On Wings, January 1998, Vol4:1, pp. 3, 30-35. http://tonysilvafiles.blogspot.com/2010_05_01_archive.html

Transcript, Volume V, Page 55. June 4, 1996.Mackman was clearly a paid informant and as such had a conflict of interest. He needed to "produce" evidence even where none existed.

Transcript, Volume VI, Page 122, 123. June 5, 1996. No hidden savings accounts were found in Silva's name. Psittazen (talk) 12:20, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Psittazen, 1 December 2010
^ Silva, T. (1991). A Monograph of Macaws and Conures, pages 77-94 (Spix's Macaw) The citation is listed in the section above - ISBN 1895270014 ^ US v Silva, Brief of the United States, No. 00-3597, US District Court of Appeals, Northern District of Illinois. Official Court of Appeals document available from Clerk of Court, Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, Northern District of Illinois. This citation is correct ^ "A Defender of Rare Birds Is Guilty of Smuggling Them". The New York Times. February 3, 1996. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE7D81739F930A35751C0A960958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all. Retrieved 2008-03-23. ^ a b Lowther, Jason; Cook, Dee; Roberts, Martin (2002-08-05) (PDF). Crime and Punishment in the Wildlife Trade. World Wildlife Fund. http://www.wwf.org.uk/filelibrary/pdf/crime_and_punishment.pdf. Retrieved 2007-09-09 ^ US v Silva, Response to Government’s Response to Court order of May 2, 2002, US District Court, Northern District of Illinois; and transcript of U.S. v Silva, 94 CR 760-1, Tr 2 at 39. Copies of prosecutor's opening remarks to evidentiary hearing available from Clerk of Court, Seventh Circuit, Northern District of Illinois. This legal citation is correct. ^ Mance, F.W., Corrections Counselor, Metropolitan Correction’s Center, Miami, attachment A in US v Silva, 122 F 3d 412 (7th Cir., 1997); handwritten affidavit is archived in the U.S. Court of Appeals, Northern District of Illinois. Copies of affidavit available from the Clerk of Court, Seventh Circuit, Northern District of Illinois. This legal citation is correct. ^ US v Silva, 94 CR 760-1, evidentiary hearing transcript volume 6 at 126.Copies of informant agreement are available from Clerk of Court, Seventh Circuit, Northern District of Illinois.This legal citation is correct. ^ US v Silva, 94 CR 760-1, evidentiary hearing transcript volume 8 at 23. Copies of testimony from government agent available from Clerk of Court, Seventh Circuit, Northern District of Illinois. This legal citation is correct. ^ US v Silva, No. 0-3597, US Court of Appeals decision by Hon.Judges J.L. Coffee, M.S. Kanne and D.P. Wood, US Court of Appeals, Northern District of Illinois. Copies of decision are available from the Clerk of Court, Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, Northern District of Illinois. This legal citation is correct. ^ US v Silva, 94 CR 760-1, evidentiary hearing transcript volume 6 at 123. Copies of government testimony are available from Clerk of Court, Seventh Circuit, Northern District of Illinois. This legal citation is correct. Persondata Name Silva, Tony Alternative names Short description Date of birth 1960 Place of birth Date of death Place of death

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Silva"

Psittazen (talk) 12:21, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. I don't understand what you're asking here. This page is to discuss changes to the page WP:Citation needed, and this isn't related to that. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * He asked "what is the template to use when I got aye citation, and still to-invoke instead of removing "citation neded"-template? Special+Utilizator+$ (talk) 01:24, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 72.53.194.237, 7 December 2010
johnny j and klock work entertainment was founded in 2002 by cody d brown, robert martinez, and brent weist. i am the real johnny j and i am still living —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.53.194.237 (talk) 10:03, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Please be more explicit about what the edit request refers to. This page is to discuss changes to the page WP:Citation needed, and this isn't related to that. forevermac (talk) 06:04, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 41.223.4.35, 6 February 2011
This is your request: a referencefor for MTX in psoriasis:

Kuhn A, Ruland V, Patsinakidis N, Luger TA. Use of methotrexate in patients with psoriasis. Clin Exp Rheumatol. 2010 Sep-Oct;28(5 Suppl 61):S138-44. Epub 2010 Nov 2.

41.223.4.35 (talk) 07:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC) Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. This is the wrong place for this request, and it should go on the talk page of the article that the cite needed tag is on. I'm not sure where that is, though, so I can't direct you where that might be. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:55, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Eppur si muove — Preceding unsigned comment added by Special+Utilizator+$ (talk • contribs) 01:28, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

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I"m a kid and the citation needed confuses meeeee —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.163.1.251 (talk) 21:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * When a citation is needed the sentence that preceeds it needs some kind of evidence to back it up. Things that don't have any peices of evidence ("sources") backing them up have this after them. --Kris159 (talk) 21:58, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I`m new to wikipedia and want to count text letters in a citation .Can I use a template to count it for me ? Special+Utilizator+$ (talk) 01:27, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Bad example
I recall reading about Obama and ghosts online in some news site. Isn't the White House full of ghosts anyway? Just ask Hillary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.120.177.8 (talk) 01:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request: Rigths of dead people
Why does the article ask users to be careful about biographies of living people only? One could think this implies it's less incorrect to put unsupported claims about dead. I think this should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.188.23.50 (talk) 23:42, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It's because it is both ethically and legally dangerous to allow contentious material into such articles. Writing that Ronald Reagan was secretly a Nazi will not hurt his political career or cause him to sue; writing that (insert living Presidentail hopeful here) is one may cause irreparable damage, and possibly a lawsuit.
 * This isn't to say that it's not incorrect to do so to a dead person's article; it's just that doing so to a living person's article is an especially hot minefield. It's less a matter of respect, and more a matter of potential damage, both to the living person (in the form of defamation) and to Wikipedia itself (in the form of lawsuits). Jsharpminor (talk) 19:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

The most dubious aspect of Wikipedia
The concept that a "citation" makes something verified is the most dubious aspect of Wikipedia.

The logic employed is that something published is more accurate. In actuality, that only applies to peer-reviewed journals. Everything else is not really checked (except in cases of actionable statements).

A good example is that some years back, the SF Chronicle had a Living section with a column of "interesting facts" which entertained readers' questions, one of which was "Where did the rock group Flock of Seagulls get its name?" and the answer was "from Jonathan Livingston Seagull" - and, of course, despite being published in a major newspaper that employs "fact checkers", that was WRONG. A Flock of Seagulls, according to the band members, got its name from a lyric in a song by the UK rock group The Stranglers.

So, that incorrect fact, could now be a citation to a major publication, and yet it would still be WRONG. Whereas if someone posted "the band members told me... " and then put the correct explanation, some Wikiboy would slap a "citation needed" on it, or even delete it for lack of evidence.

Nowadays, anyone who wanted to post that "the sky is green", can start his own sky web site, with a blog and forum, and then cite that web site or blog as a "citation" that "the sky is green".

The end result of this process will be Mythipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.180.69 (talk) 02:24, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


 * A citation helps others attempt to verify, nothing more. It's up to readers to actually verify content.  A citation certainly doesn't make something "verified" in the past tense.  And per WP:Verifiability, Wikipedia is interested in verifiability, not "correctness".  The reason for this is simple: As you note, people are often wrong.  Wikipedia cannot effectively arbitrate who is "right" or "wrong".  (How do I know you're not wrong about the origin of the band name?  I don't even know who you are.)  Presumably other verifiable sources can be found, and the discrepancy documented, and the reader can decide who to believe.  A properly cited article is very easy for the reader to verify and judge.  This has created more than a few high quality articles.  — DragonHawk (talk|hist) 22:04, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Citation NOT Needed
Citation is not necessary as the very definition and article covering the subject is enough to explain the statement which requests citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaxorz (talk • contribs) 11:42, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I responded at User talk:Zaxorz. — DragonHawk (talk|hist) 15:07, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 78.151.149.168, 28 February 2011
edit semi-protected

I'd like to remove the citation needed line "60% of people believe in ghosts"" to the line contained within www.eauk.org "Of those aged 65 or over, 19% said they believed in ghosts, compared to 48% of 18-24 year olds". I believe this is a reputable source for legitimate statistical results and I'm positive it'd Czech out. Ganight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. James Fear (talk • contribs) 05:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

78.151.149.168 (talk) 19:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 16:36, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Citation
I was wondering what the coding is for putting a 'Citation Needed' warning on a section and/or article as there seems to be none on this project page.--Jacksoncw (talk) 22:33, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Place at the top of the article. Miguel AG (talk) 07:23, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Russinmy, 28 August 2011
I have a citation for a "citation needed" request for the article on Vaughan Williams' "Hodie." The sentence reads "Hodie has not remained among Vaughan Williams' more popular compositions, and is done less frequently than many of his other works.[citation needed]" My citation is as follows: This dissertation is posted online and you may double-check my citation at: http://etd.lib.ttu.edu/theses/available/etd-06262008-31295017081703/unrestricted/31295017081703.pdf To be more objectively provable and specific, please change "Hodie has not remained among Vaughan Williams' more popular compositions, and is done less frequently than many of his other works." to "Hodie has not remained among Vaughan Williams' more popular compositions with critics, and is done less frequently than many of his other choral works." Explanation: No one has ever subjected "Hodie" to a general "popularity contest" with everyone. The Wikipedia author's statement is too broad. Also, narrowing down the statement specifically in order to group "Hodie" with Vaughan Williams' choral works makes more sense. It is difficult if not impossible to assess the number of performances of ALL of the composers' works, but much easier to quantify the number of performances of his choral works, which the author of the dissertation has obviously done, at least to his and his reviewers' satisfaction (his dissertation was accepted and approved by peer reviews).Russinmy (talk) 17:27, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Russinmy (talk) 17:27, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Just adding so I can see the source. Samwb123T-C-E 16:01, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Padlock-silver-slash2.svg Not done: is not required for edits to semi-protected, unprotected pages, or pending changes protected pages. The Hodie page is not locked, so you should be able to edit it. Cheers, — Bility (talk) 23:11, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from, 14 October 2011
citation for written hazardous materials incident action plan is: 40 CFR 1910.120 (q)(1)

67.182.249.186 (talk) 03:51, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please give a reliable source, and re-request. Thanks,  Chzz  ► 06:08, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

it's time to do it now — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.89.212.51 (talk) 13:37, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from, 12 November 2011
It is said that there is dispute between the Arab Nations and Israel as to WHO started the 6 day war... I put it to you that, Egypt closed the straits of Tiran, which is also known as the gulf of Aqaba. Such an action prevents any ships from entering or leaving Israel's south port. In case you are not familiar with the proper terminology - The term defining what Egypt did is "laying siege to a port" or "blockading a port", both of which, according to international law - Is an act of war and gives the blockaded country casus belli to attack back. This isn't anything new, this is the law as it has been for centuries upon centuries.

Laying siege to the port was performed by Egypt and is the first official act of war at the time deeming Egypt the main and first perpetrator of the 1967 war.

Or to put it simply - As with all other wars against Israel - The Arabs started it.

Truthwillprevailforever (talk) 10:02, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Ella Plantagenet (talk) 16:13, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from, 12 November 2011
It is said that there is dispute between the Arab Nations and Israel as to WHO started the 6 day war... I put it to you that, Egypt closed the straits of Tiran, which is also known as the gulf of Aqaba. Such an action prevents any ships from entering or leaving Israel's south port. In case you are not familiar with the proper terminology - The term defining what Egypt did is "laying siege to a port" or "blockading a port", both of which, according to international law - Is an act of war and gives the blockaded country casus belli to attack back. This isn't anything new, this is the law as it has been for centuries upon centuries.

Laying siege to the port was performed by Egypt and is the first official act of war at the time deeming Egypt the main and first perpetrator of the 1967 war.

Or to put it simply - As with all other wars against Israel - The Arabs started it.

Truthwillprevailforever (talk) 10:05, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 January 2012
Please let me update the wall image

Golden Star Boys (talk) 12:18, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * What's the name of the image you want to update, and the name of the page you want to update it on? WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:09, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

(citation needed) instead of the template
See here where I mention "(citation needed)" is being literally added to articles. Mark Hurd (talk) 15:34, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I know which study this is referring too, and I have a copy of the document. However, I don't know how to edit in wikipeadia. If anyone can help, please email me on say.hello.to.anna at googlemail.com and I will pass on what I know xx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.55.62 (talk) 16:08, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 February 2012
I'd like to research and edit specific facts regarding telecommunications subjects. Protected, semi-protected, whatever, as necessary. Providing citations.

Have not contributed content or editting to Wikipedia as yet. Andy (Redacted)

Alsacks (talk) 20:33, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * '"Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y".' and this please on the correct page, your are requesting this here for the page [Wikipedia:Citation needed]]. Regards, mabdul 21:17, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 March 2012
Please remove Citation Needed. Here is a relaible source:

Search for Corporation BQE Software Inc and it will display the date in 1995 when the corporation was created.

ShafatAQazi (talk) 03:40, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You should request that an the talkpage of the article at Talk:BQE Software Inc. This here is simply the wrong page! Moreover your reference only stat that the company is in business since 1995, but the release of the software in 1996 is not in your reference! mabdul 13:01, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

OK I found a reference on archive.org that proves the software was released in 1996. http://web.archive.org/web/200102032318/http://bqe.com/about.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShafatAQazi (talk • contribs) 22:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

in the section reaction i have the citation for the third paragraph i have a citation that could be used 3/22/12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adilos8589 (talk • contribs) 18:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 April 2012
Using the lookup feature of this website http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/features/2010/americas-best-high-schools/list.html You will find that New Paltz never ranked 98 in the Newsweek list of top high schools. You will however find that New Paltz placed as follows: 2010. - 419 2009. -  301 2008. -  310 2007. -  199 2006. -  not listed

120.23.203.198 (talk) 12:45, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: You're requesting this for the wrong page! You are likely searching for New Paltz. mabdul 15:24, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 June 2012
Bold text

I AM VIRU JOSHI, SON OF LATE BISHOP R D JOSHI, RESIDING IN CHICAGO. I AM VERY PROUDE OF MY FATHER AND HIS COTRIBUTIONS THAT HE HAD MADE TO THE CHURCH IN INDIA AND AROUND THE WORLD. HE WAS A VERY GIVING SERVANT OF GOD, HE AND MY MOTHER MRS. AGNES D JOSHI WHO PASSED AWAY JAN OF 1999.BELIEVED IN SERVING THEIR CHURCH AND THE PEOPLE. VIRU JOSHI EMAIL (Redacted)

108.82.215.100 (talk) 04:44, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. TOW  talk   04:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 July 2012
Actually Carl Barks wrote: Five Billion Quadruplatillion Umtuplatillion Multuplatillion Galillion Dollars and Sixteen Cents. It was in the splash panel for "The Mysterious Stone Ray", US8, December, 1954, reprinted by Gemstone in Uncle Scrooge 355, July, 2006.

50.54.231.55 (talk) 08:45, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Please be specific about what you want changed ("change X to Y") and also what does this have to do with the Citation Needed page?  RudolfRed (talk) 16:46, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Question
What if some one puts a citation needed mark on someones comments on a talk page? Irishfrisian (talk) 13:45, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Depends on the context. Possibly they're being lazy, and should have just written out "I'd like to see a source for that assertion". If so, then roll your eyes, and respond with more tact than they displayed. -- Quiddity (talk) 19:27, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 September 2012
Missing citations on Ivy League comment: http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/sunday_times_reveals http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/8635891/Top-students-concentrated-in-just-12-elite-universities.html

90.192.141.139 (talk) 11:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry this request doesn't make sense. I replied at User talk:90.192.141.139. Biosthmors (talk) 16:03, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

date of birth famous writer and educationalist Mujeeb Zafar Anwar Hameedi
O.K,the confirmed date of birth of famous writer Proff. Mujeeb Hameedi is August 24th, 1959 at Karachi, Pakistan.Done ! --Rolf Vessel (talk) 02:21, 24 September 2012 (UTC)jasmine
 * http://www.babycenter.com/baby-names-mujeeb-936535.htm

Edit request on 24 September 2012
Jadwiga1000 (talk) 20:50, 24 September 2012 (UTC) ihave found the source for this material, it is as follows:

"Americana" vol 16,  published by The American Historical Society, Inc., NYC 1922. and "New England Historical and Geneological Register" vol 92 Boston, 1913

these are listed on the back of the Hilton coat of arms possessed by my family, Morris Bros, de vVillers & Co NY NY  (probably 30 years old).


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:. You need to place this on the talk page for the article that is missing the reference.  This talk page is for the "citation needed" template itself.  RudolfRed (talk) 21:00, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Pink Highlighting
I noticed on 10th millennium BC‎ a cn text is colored pink. Can we turn highlighting off; it's rather ugly... Smarkflea (talk) 22:58, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Remove the Cartoon
The cartoon, incorrectly, suggests that speakers have an obligation to give citations. Although speakers can and should provided "citations" if it helps the presentation, there is no obligation to provide citations during a speech. A strict requirement to provide citations for all sources applies to written documents like scientific papers and theses.

I'd suggest removing the cartoon, cute as it may be.

Fort citation correction available. Cross referencing before post. Mitstryman (talk) 09:58, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

The cartoon is not to be taken literally. It is a cartoon, after all. JitteryOwl (talk) 02:43, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I think it is a marvelous use of this otherwise useless tag. (Ironass (talk) 14:03, 13 January 2013 (UTC))

Removal of this tag
I would like to see this tag deprecated. If someone feels that an article needs to be referenced, provide the reference! If you want to bitch about an article, do it in the talk page, like I'm doing, rather than in the article itself! (Ironass (talk) 14:03, 13 January 2013 (UTC))


 * I disagree. A person may not know enough about the subject on which they've seen a non-cited fact and may just wish to question its validity. I wouldn't say it's bitching about the article, it's asking authors to be more transparent in their claims. Robertshippey (talk) 20:16, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 February 2013
"Minigrafting in Extensive Quantities: The Ideal Hair Restoration Procedure," International Society for Hair and Scalp Surgery, April 1993.

Dr. William Rassman New Hair Institute 310-553-9113 76.175.147.171 (talk) 15:44, 4 February 2013 (UTC)


 * You need to make this request on the talk page of the article it applies to. RudolfRed (talk) 03:26, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Repaired vandalism that got archived
This edit was changed by a vandal and was was archived that way. I restored the correct version in the archive. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:50, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

if someone just knows something, then surely they dont have to reference it?
this is ridiculous. again it is simply making normal people feel stupid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.176.208.207 (talk) 12:24, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, just because a person "just knows" something doesn't mean it's true. If it is actually true then they must have some source of that knowledge, some evidence that it is true, which can then be used as a citation. Everybody benefits from this. Common knowledge may be relevant. Moseley3 (talk) 21:05, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

this is the true history for vanniyar there is so may proves are there !
The name Vanniyar is derived from the Tamil word 'Vanmai' which means valor. Agni,the God of Fire is connected with Regal office,as kings hold in their hands the fire wheel or Agneya chakra. The Vanniyars of South India considered as a representative of the Non-Aryan,a Dravidian Rajput Element. In Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka Vanniars while referring their caste in circumstances and rituals, subtitle with the phrase 'Agnivanshi' denoting their clan.

At Sirkazhi Vaideeswaran Temple Inscriptions about Vanniyar Puranam are seen. It denotes that,at ancient times there is two asuras known as Vatapi and Mahi, worshipped Brahma and obtained immunity from Death and subsequently they garrisoned the Earth. Jambuva Mahamuni,performed a Yagam,or sacrifice by power.soon Armed Horse men sprung from the flames,undertook twelve expeditions against them and destroyed them. Their leader then assumed the government of the country under the name Rudra Vanniya Maharaja,who had five sons,the Ancestors of Vanniya Caste. This Tradition alludes to the destruction of the city of Vatapi by Narasimhavarman,the king of Pallis or Pallavas.

In the Classical tamil poem Kalladam,which has been attributed to the time of Thiruvalluvar,the author of the sacred Kural,Vanni is used in the sense of King. Kamban, the author of Tamil Ramayana,uses it in a similar sense.

The vanniyans of agnikula race, can be classified as Ruthra Vanniyar, Agni Vanniyar, Sambu vanniyar, Brahma vanniyar, and Indra Vanniyar.

Vivekkrishnamoorthy1022 (talk) 14:37, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Wikipedia:Citation needed/Archive 2. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:08, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

xkcd Strip as Picture
It seems incredibly unprofessional. Should it be removed? A person. (talk) 21:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope. See the article on Citation needed, and the photographs of realworld usage (eg, , etc). –Quiddity (talk) 03:40, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I think it's kinda funny. Wikipedia ought to loosen up anyway. Or, better yet, have their status be taken down a peg as a legitimate source of information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.146.204.218 (talk) 16:24, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * So brave. We really ought to not trust information that's apparently from a verified source, because right next to it is sometimes information that's not from a verified source. Blaineglover (talk) 06:00, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

ELWOOD, ILLINOIS
99.157.207.51 (talk) 01:44, 10 May 2013 (UTC)Referring to your article on Elwood, Ill. (I lived there briefly as a small child when my father was stationed at the Joliet Arsenal, right near Elwood, during the Korean War). An interesting thought I've always had is that it is likely that the Blues Brothers act, Dan Akroyd and John Belushi, took their stage names from this Village and that area in Ill. I say this first because Belushi, who I believe originated in Chicago, and whose persona is that of paroled felon, would have known about Illinois' Joliet Penitentiary, which is very near to Elwood, thus his name "Joliet Jake" and Akroyd's character was known as "Elwood" Blues.

Don't have any specific authority for this, particularly as Belushi is long dead, but it does seem likely given these fact. Also, if you publish this in your piece on Elwood it might give that little old Village a little more cache'. 99.157.207.51 (talk) 01:44, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Example
It seems that, to reinforce the idea that certain claims should not be made without verification, the example ought to read, "65% of ghosts don't believe in people." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wclark07 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No because the example is a quote which could be put onto a page but would need a citation to back it up. Your example is wholly stupid. Rainbow Shifter (talk) 11:40, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 May 2013
I have found a citation for "His body was thrown in the river Rhône, but was later recovered and buried in a pyramid-shaped tomb in the cemetery of Saint-Just-Sauvage.[citation needed]" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillaume_Marie_Anne_Brune

These details are recorded in Alexandre Dumas "“MASSACRES OF THE SOUTH—1551-1815” at the end of Chapter XVIII page 307 of 352 pages

Hope this helps!

Excerpt From: Dumas, Alexandre. “Massacres of the South (1551-1815) / Celebrated Crimes.” iBooks. This material may be protected by copyright.

86.203.101.108 (talk) 15:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Wikipedia:Citation needed/Archive 2. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:10, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Lack of information
The article does not mention where the tag is to be inserted in a phrase. For example, does it come after the final period or before it in a sentence?

And in regards to commas as well, is the tag to be placed before or after the comma?

All this should be clarified in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.235.45.104 (talk) 22:16, 5 July 2013‎ (UTC)
 * That kind of detail is generally to be found in the template's main documentation (linked at the top of the page in the box). However, I've added a summary in a bulletpoint. Thanks. –Quiddity (talk) 23:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)