Wikipedia talk:Citation templates/Archive 2

Archives: Sep 2006 - May 2007

TV shows
How do I cite a T.V show? and is there a tag I could use?--Lucy-marie 23:00, 28 September 2006 (UTC) cite episode — Omegatron 22:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Citing the same source from different places in the article
Is there a way to do that? Copying the same cite to two different places will naturally repeat the source in the references section. &mdash; Ravikiran 15:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. When you make the ref, use or whatever the author's name is.. here I assume "Smith" wrote the article or book.
 * If Smith wrote more than one thing, or there are more than 1 "Smith"s, you can use  or whatever.
 * If you refer to exactly the same source again, I think you can do it either one of two ways:


 * 1) Either repeat the exact same link. Just copy/paste. Actually, all you need is the two tags with nothing in between, after you have accurately and fully made the first reference. You don't need the blah blah blah in between.
 * Or, if I remember correctly, you just need a single tag ...after you have accurately and fully made the first reference.
 * There's documentation somewhere, but I gotta run... --Ling.Nut 17:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * See Footnotes, though I would start with Help:Footnotes. I also inserted examples above and below -- Trödel 22:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)



Citing brochures
Is there a template or model suitable for citing a brochure? I have in mine in particular brochures released by CERN about an experiment there. -- SCZenz 14:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Style of citation markup
Are the any styles for the citation templates —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fnielsen (talk • contribs) 10:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

Style of citation markup
Are there any styles for the citation templates. Here are two versions. The first is by another user,

...to endocytose JCV.

while the second is by me:

...to endocytose JCV. The differences are: These are my preferences (I find it more readable/editable and 'linked'), but I guess that others may have a different oppinion? -- fnielsen 10:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia links for authors even if they do not exist.
 * Authors written with full name and in 'ordinary' firstname-surname order.
 * Wikipedia links for the journal – also full names (such as 'Journal of Neuroschemistry') rather than abbreviated (such as 'J. Neurochem.').
 * The citation formatted on several lines.


 * I have no preferences for the last part, but I'm with you with full journal and author names, where I disagree is that:
 * Links should ONLY be made in references if the article exists. (otherwise they are useless AMND distracting, see also WP:CONTEXT)
 * The first/main author should still be in Last, First to make possible later references to "Elphick et al" more easy to locate. This can and does occur when the referenced item is a book.
 * Overall, the editors are split on these issues (except that most will want to keep links to a minimum and names in Last, First format.)Circeus 19:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

cite audio
I see that a cite video template has been added - but does anyone have any idea how i should cite some mp3 audio files? I want to use this on Bristol Riots to cite an mp3 of a lecture which was delivered on the subject by Mike Manson. I will cite the web page for now bu the actual items of interest such as the exact date, number killed etc comes from the audio files.&mdash; Rod talk 14:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Use the "format" parameter and link directly to the MP3?Circeus 22:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Cite map?
Would anyone object to my creating a cite map template? Maps have special requirements, such as the map publisher/branding, the company who did the actual cartography, and (possibly) the map coordinate of the data referenced (e.g. A6), that other templates don't cover.—Scott5114↗ 17:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It sounds good, just don't know how much immediately use it will find :) --  Huntster  T • @ • C 23:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I know WP:USRD will put it to use :) I've created it - would anyone like to check the syntax to make sure it's consistent with the other citation templates? —Scott5114↗ 01:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Template:Cite episode
Could someone possibly add this template into the list? I had a hard time finding it (i needed it for radio recordings) and I am afraid I may mess up this article if i try to add it in myself (:O) -Nima Baghaei talk · cont · email 15:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll take care of it. I'm probably going to do a code update of the article while I'm at it. --  Huntster  T • @ • C 19:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * very cool, thanks! (:O) -Nima Baghaei talk · cont · email 15:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Publisher and location parameters desired
The "cite" family of templates, as well as "citation", are variable in providing "publisher" and "location" parameters, yet these are very important, especially for references published outside of the USA and Canada.
 * Template:Citation provides both.
 * Template:Cite book provides both parameters.
 * Template:Cite journal provides neither (and the text in Citation_templates says it provides publisher.)
 * Template:Cite conference provides both.
 * Template:Cite encyclopedia provides only publisher.
 * Template:Cite news provides only publisher.
 * Template:Cite web provides only publisher. Even for a web service, there's sometimes reason to reference a location.
 * Template:Cite newsgroup provides neither. Since there are multiple disconnected networks using the USENET/NNTP protocols, at least a publisher parameter is required, and location might have some use as well.
 * Template:Cite paper provides only publisher.
 * Template:Cite press release provides only publishers.
 * Template:Cite video provides both, and a good thing, too--obscure videos can be very hard to find. "Producer" and "director" might also be desirable.
 * Template:Cite episode doesn't have them; doesn't (seem to) need them.
 * Template:Cite court doesn't have them; doesn't seem to need them. Unfortunately, "cite court" is probably US-specific.
 * Template:Cite mailing list doesn't provide publisher or location (e-mail lists do sometimes have publishers), and it only supports lists with URLs, which omits plain Majordomo and LISTSERV mailing lists.

My suggestion is to uniformly provide "publisher" and "location" parameters in all citation templates.

Randwolf 16:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Seconding (glad I saw Randwolf's note, thank you). Template:Cite journal had a publisher field according to WP:CITET. I removed it for now to maybe help others avoid a trip to the Village Pump. -Susanlesch 18:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Naming references
I will use whatever format is preferred by editors. I have noticed that some people name the references. I have tried to do this without much success so I just repeat the same citation. How should the citations be named? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cherylyoung (talk • contribs) 00:44, 1 May 2007  (UTC)
 * When naming references, you have to use {{cite... for the first instance, where whatever is any unique name you want to give it. Each following instance, you need to use just  .  Note the trailing slash mark, this is important. --  Huntster  T • @ • C 08:13, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Need Help with Citing Court Papers
I would like to cite original source documents from court cases like this one:

http://wtvf.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/SmithsIndict.pdf

I am unsure of the proper way to do so. Could I get some help?Efkeathley 12:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * While Cite court could potentially be used, it is so highly experimental right now that I would not recommend it. It is highly focused only on court decisions, and doesn't work well for general legal papers.  This is the best I could come up with for usage with that template:
 * It would be highly useful, unfortunately, it appears its creator has abandoned it, and I simply don't possess the necessary level of legal knowledge to flesh it out more.  Either way, take your pick of which format appears better to you. --  Huntster  T • @ • C 05:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Next week I plan to start citing original government issued papers where I can.Efkeathley 13:33, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, however, be very conscious of what the end result looks like. If it appears mangled or doesn't include all the information you would like, please use Cite web or simply write it out without using a template.  Cite court simply doesn't work in a wide variety of applications yet. --  Huntster  T • @ • C 14:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Cite court was requested for citing court cases. It cites court cases.  What wide variety of applications does it need to work for?  (SEWilco 16:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC))
 * Not a problem, however, be very conscious of what the end result looks like. If it appears mangled or doesn't include all the information you would like, please use Cite web or simply write it out without using a template.  Cite court simply doesn't work in a wide variety of applications yet. --  Huntster  T • @ • C 14:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Cite court was requested for citing court cases. It cites court cases.  What wide variety of applications does it need to work for?  (SEWilco 16:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC))

Template:Harvard reference obsolete?
This page gives links to Template:Harvard reference which now begins "THIS TEMPLATE IS DEPRECATED. USE Template:Citation INSTEAD, WHICH HAS THE SAME FUNCTIONALITY." Should this page not be updated? Also, both this page and Citing sources begin by suggesting Template:Cite book etc. which appear to lack that functionality, with the result that pages such as Alfred Russel Wallace are produced using that template in a Harvard system without the links down to the references. It seems desirable to encourage standardising on Template:Citation unless there's a good reason otherwise, and this would suggest showing that template at the outset. ...... dave souza, talk 21:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, the Harvard reference section is redundant. I just removed it.  CO GD EN  08:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Good start. However, the "cite book" type versions are still shown as the first option in each case, implying first preference. I've added a couple of notes to make it clear that the "citation" template works better with Harvard referencing. Certainly the linking function did not work with "cite book" when I tried it out. Altering the sequence in the table would be helpful. .. dave souza, talk 12:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)