Wikipedia talk:Contributor copyright investigations/Wikiwatcher1

Files not belonging to uploader
For the record, the following files have been removed from the list as they are not the user's.


 * File:Korea.jpg User is not the original uploader of the image. We hope (talk) 17:29, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * File:Blake Edwards.jpg Present file not uploaded by user. We hope (talk) 17:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * File:Memorial.jpg This was uploaded by a different user and only he/she has dealt with the file. We hope (talk) 14:59, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * File:Jolson Sings Again.jpg Current file is a video cover uploaded in 2010 by a different user. We hope (talk) 22:09, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * File:Natalie Wood.jpg New photo with same file name was uploaded on 4 May 2012 by another user. This one was deleted. We hope (talk) 21:59, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * File:Dick Clark American Bandstand 1961.JPG Not this user's original upload but mine with both sides of complete photo shown. We hope (talk) 23:14, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I will link the removals back to this talk page for reference. We hope (talk) 20:00, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

CCI Investigation
It seems to me that there's no proof of public domain as claimed for the following files:


 * File:Ida Lupino still.jpg No front and back of photo uploaded, thus no proof that it came from MGM in 1942.
 * File:Ben Hur race.jpg Since the book it's said to be taken from was published in 1959, the question would be whether or not the book's copyright was renewed.
 * Book info at Google Books A check for the title at copyright.gov shows no listings. Checking author Joe Franklin, turns up other books he wrote and some renewals, but not this title.  This should work with a change of license to copyright not renewed. We hope (talk) 14:57, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Have changed the license to copyright not renewed and provided details re: the renewal searches. This one is good to go. We hope (talk) 15:50, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


 * File:Robbins rehearsal61.jpg While there's a claim of the photo being from "circa 1961", the book it was taken from was published in 2004. Not seeing anything that would prove the photo was from prior to 1964 and wasn't renewed.

You might want to have the opinion of others, such as, who's also dealt quite a bit with the uploads of this user. We hope (talk) 14:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

These too:

We hope (talk) 14:34, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Thalberg-sitting.jpg Book was published in 2008; no proof the photo was published in "circa 1923" without a notice.
 * File:Lanza still MGM Cesari.jpg Again=book published in 2004-nothing proving the photo was published in the mid 1950s by MGM with the photo's copyright not renewed.


 * I have FFD'd the Thalberg-sitting image, as it says "circa 1923", which means it potentially violates the license. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  14:35, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Would you mind providing oversight on the more difficult ones? Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  14:35, 1 December 2017 (UTC)


 * More-


 * File:Grand Op Mod Times.jpg No back or front-no dating and nothing show it came from INP so renrewal might be checked.
 * File:Indonesian newlyweds in ceremonial garb.jpg This was uploaded by someone else.
 * Why not wait until Masem is available before trying to go further with this? We hope (talk) 14:46, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds good; I'll mark the simple ones, i.e. US GOV, and the redlinked ones, and compile a list below of the ones to talk about. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  14:51, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Be prepared to hear arguments to the contrary at FFD from the uploader. Anyone who's worked with this for any length of time can tell you-the user believes an image is PD as long as there's no proof it isn't.  Just the opposite from PD rules for all projects-you need to prove that it IS PD, not the other way around. ;) We hope (talk) 14:55, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

No proof

 * File:Thalberg wedding.jpg: Source citation says book does not contain copyright info; however this does not necessarily mean that the picture was published without a copyright.
 * File:Rainer-promo.jpg No proof of date, as the only source used is unreliable (blogspot).
 * Also no proof of where the photo came from-file says "movie studio". We hope (talk) 15:17, 1 December 2017 (UTC)


 * File:Kazan in Paradise 37.jpg Claim of 1923 and 1963, but only source is a book, no pg number cited to prove date.
 * Book first published in 1988, but there's no proof of who took the photo, when, or whether it was published before the book. We hope (talk) 15:15, 1 December 2017 (UTC)


 * File:WithVisconti51.jpg Book was published in Italy-2001. We have no proof this is from 1951 or who took it. File says "movie company candid still".
 * File:WithBella.jpg Book is from 1978. It's claimed to be from 1948 but we have no proof of that or that any copyright on the image wasn't renewed.  We have "unknonw photographer" with a copyright not renewed tag. We hope (talk) 22:48, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Marion Davies - 1920s.jpg Sorry but this has no back or dating/proof of publication. All that's there is the photo front.
 * File:Lynn Bari - 1939.jpg No back or dating/proof of publication either.
 * File:Esther Ralston - 1930s.jpg No back dating/proof of publication
 * File:Greta Garbo - 1936.jpg No dating/proof of publication.
 * File:Carole Lombard - 1930.jpg No dating/proof of publication.

Uploader's argument
Evidence of proof: For most of the above, the discussion for the photo of should be relevant. --Light show (talk) 18:36, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * As for proof of publication for images with pre-printed information, note the U.S. law: . A public performance or display of a work does not of itself constitute publication. Generally, publication occurs on the date on which copies of the work are first made available to the public. --Light show (talk) 18:45, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Dead Links (PD pictures with no links to prove them)

 * File:Wood-Wagner-autograph.jpeg Source link dead, can't prove requirements.
 * File:NFL jersey.jpg Source link dead
 * Wayback Machine copy of the page but the image wasn't saved by Wayback. We hope (talk) 15:07, 1 December 2017 (UTC)


 * File:Counterfeit cosmetics.jpg Source link dead.
 * Wayback Machine copy of the PDF-it is a US Customs file.


 * File:Counterfeit weights.jpg Source link dead, PD US customs.
 * Tried wayback Machine but their crawl doesn't have the PDF file. We hope (talk) 15:02, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


 * File:Counterfeit sports shoes.jpg Source link dead, PD US customs.
 * Wayback Machine in 2009. Copy of the US Customs PDF.  The shoes and the weights from File:Counterfeit weights.jpg are both shown on the first page of the PDF.  Last page credits US Customs for the presentation. We hope (talk) 15:06, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Complex

 * File:SantaVittoria scene.jpg Involves Italian–American copyright law intersection, needs checking.
 * File:AnnChristie39stage.jpg Another from the same book
 * File:WithVisconti51.jpg From the same book

More

 * Some of these many not be listed on the CCI page. We hope (talk) 15:48, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

 * I've moved the conversation to here, for ease of use. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  23:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Due to the sheer scale of the redlinks, would you advise deleting them? It's advised that we just mark them with, but it's not said we cannot delete them to make life easier. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  23:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't see why not re deleting redlinks. We hope (talk) 14:57, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

How to check for post-1950 copyrights online

 * The issue in the Ben Hur photo above was stated, Since the book it's said to be taken from was published in 1959, the question would be whether or not the book's copyright was renewed. However it's simple for anyone to do a copyright search to find out.


 * The quickest way to check for photos, as opposed to books, is to first click on "Set Search Limits," then select "Visual Materials" from the drop down list. Then click "Set Search Limits." From the new screen, enter the person's name with quotation marks, and click on "Keyword." That gives the widest search range. Next click on "Begin Search." --Light show (talk) 02:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC)