Wikipedia talk:Credo/Archive 1

Article contributions
"The oldest date of the last fifty edits to pages in the article namespace" is a metric sometices used when determining how active a contributor is, particularly in article work. For at least some of the users who have signed up, their last fifty article edits go back to April 2009 (some probably further back, I didn't check all of the accounts). If the people who have signed up are going to get an account and start contributing more to articles, great. But if the people signing up are simply doing so to get something that's limited, perhaps these people should reconsider. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:04, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I signed up mainly because it would assist helping out at the reference desks (which in turn often yields improvements in article space). If people feel this isn't appropriate, I will retract my sig. ---Sluzzelin talk  23:19, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think a RefDesk stalwart such as yourself would be an ideal person to have this facility. DuncanHill (talk) 23:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


 * MZMcBride, Did you only check the English language wikipedia contributions? While your general point has some validity, in terms of this ability to reach the reference material -- which appears to be freely available in many libraries in any case -- not being usefully considered a perquisite, I do think your phrasing leaves something to be desired for. "If the people who have signed up are going to get an account and start contributing more to articles, great."; strikes me as singularly unhelpful phrasing. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 23:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Hoping
Would like to add my name forlornly here in case any of the accounts aren't eligible. SlimVirgin TALK  contribs 18:47, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I suspect you would make better use of it than User:Arcturus, whose last article edit was 2008. Kevin (talk) 22:03, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually it was February 2007... Why are inactive users signing up for this? There's no indication on Arcturus's user page that s/he is active in other projects... – Alensha   talk  23:54, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Please check your library access
I signed up while at work as I was unable to check my library access, then found I had access so I struck my name. I'm not sure if everyone on the list understands what this means, so just in case: if you have a library card for a public library or university library it's very likely you can log in to that library over the web. If you go to that library's home page, you will probably find a list of resources that you can access which will take your library id and password as your credentials. I had never checked what I could get via the Suffolk County library, but it's a long list, and it includes Credo. Please do check if you haven't done so, and remove yourself from this list if you already have access. Mike Christie (talk) 22:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a good point - the Credo website does not list Brighton & Hove libraries as having a subscription, so I added myself to the list. However, on re-checking the Brighton & Hove website, I find that they do in fact have a subscription. Therefor, I shall now remove myself from the list. DuncanHill (talk) 22:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I've just done the same, thanks for pointing out the possibility. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 23:00, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Would it be worth compiling a list somewhere of libraries/public institutions which have subscriptions? Editors could use it to see if they can get access, and to offer to look things up for other editors. DuncanHill (talk) 23:03, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a searchable list of all that subscribe here. Note to any UK resident; as long as you've been resident at your address for 6 months, you can join any UK library, so if yours doesn't subscribe you can join one that does. I recommend City of Westminster, as they subscribe you to lots of other stuff as well – iride  scent  23:05, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I used that list before signing up - Brighton & Hove city libraries don't come up! It was only by going to the B&H libraries website that I found they do have a subscription. DuncanHill (talk) 23:09, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Iridescent, that is an excellent suggestion (I live in apparently the only London Borough that offers no online subscriptions at all). Can you check Westminster's Credo list against Credo's full list of titles available please? If signing up to Westminster would free up accounts for SlimVirgin et al then we should probably act sooner rather than later. Thanks - Pointillist (talk) 23:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Titles at Westminster
This is the full list available through Westminster; I suspect this will be the same for all UK libraries. It doesn't appear to be the complete list (some of the science ones in particular seem to be missing), but seems to have almost all the titles.

The A-Z of Social Researchsageuksr2003

Academic Press Dictionary of Science and Technologyapdst

Africa and the Americas: Culture, Politics, and Historyabcafatrle2008

African-American Writers: A Dictionaryabcaframwr2000

Alcohol and Temperance in Modern History: An International Encyclopediaabcalc2003

All Things Chaucer: An Encyclopedia of Chaucer's Worldabcchaucer2006

The American Economy: A Historical Encyclopediaabcamerecon2003

The American Heritage Guide to Contemporary Usage and Stylehmcontempusage

The American Heritage Medical Dictionaryhmmedicaldict

The American Heritage Science Dictionaryhmsciencedict

The American Heritage® Abbreviations Dictionaryhmabbr

American Heritage® Dictionary of Idioms, Thehmidiom

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Languagehmdictenglang

Andromeda Encyclopedic Dictionary of World Historyandedwh

Animals and Science: A Guide to the Debatesabcanscie2002

Astronomy Encyclopediaphilipsastronomy

Atlas of the Bible, Andromedaandatbib

Atlas of the Universephilipsuniverse B

BUSINESS: The Ultimate Resource - Dictionary of Business and Managementultimatebusiness

Baillière's Midwives' Dictionarybalmwd2008

Benders' Dictionary of Nutrition and Food Technologywhdictnutr2006

Biographical Dictionary of 20th Century Philosophersrout20phil2002

A Biographical Dictionary of Artists, Andromedaandbda

Biographical Dictionary of British Economistscontbecon2004

A Biographical Dictionary of Dissenting Economistselgardiss2000

Biographical Dictionary of Modern Egyptbdmodegypt

Biographical Dictionary of Psychologyroutbiopsy2002

Biographical Dictionary of Social and Cultural Anthropologyroutsca2004

Biographical Dictionary of Transcendentalismabcbiotrans1996

A Biographical Dictionary of Women Economistselgarwe2000

Black Firstsblackfirsts

Black's Medical Dictionary, 42st Editionblackmed2010

Black's Veterinary Dictionaryacbvet2007

The Blackwell Dictionary of Political Sciencebkpolsci

The Blackwell Dictionary of Sociologybksoc

Bloomsbury Biographical Dictionary of Quotationsbbdq

The Bloomsbury Dictionary of English Literatureblit

Bloomsbury Dictionary of Mythbloommyth

The Bloomsbury Guide to Artbga

Bloomsbury Guide to Human Thoughtbght

Bloomsbury Thematic Dictionary of Quotationsbtdq

Bloomsbury Thesaurusbt

Book of Bible Quotationsbbq

Brewer's Britain and Irelandorionbritainireland

Brewer's Curious Titlesorioncurious

Brewer's Dictionary of Irish Phrase and Fableorionirishpf

Brewer's Dictionary of Modern Phrase and Fablebrewermod

Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fablebrewerphrase2009

The Bridgeman Art Library Archivebridgeart200802

The Bridgeman History of Sciencebridgehistsci

Britain and the Americas: Culture, Politics, and Historyabcbramrle2005

The Browser's Dictionary of Foreign Words and Phrasesbrowdfwp

Business French Dictionary, Peter Collin Publishingpcpdbusfr

Business German Dictionary, Peter Collin Publishingpcpdbusger

Business Spanish Dictionary, Peter Collin Publishingpcpdbusspa C

CIA World Factbookcia2009

Cambridge Dictionary of Human Biology and Evolutioncuphbe

The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophycupdphil

The Cambridge Dictionary of Scientistsdicscientist

Cambridge Dictionary of Sociologycupsoc

Cambridge Encyclopedia of Child Developmentcupchilddev

The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Hunters and Gathererscuphg2006

The Cambridge Guide to Children's Books in Englishchildbooks

The Cambridge Guide to Literature in Englishcupliteng

The Cambridge Guide to Theatrecupthea

The Cambridge Guide to Women's Writing in Englishcamgwwie

The Cambridge Handbook of Age and Ageingcupage2005

The Cambridge Handbook of Computational Psychologycupcomppsyc2008

Cambridge Handbook of Consciousnesscupcon2007

Cambridge Handbook of Expertise and Expert Performancecupexpert2006

Cambridge Handbook of Personal Relationshipscuppr2006

The Cambridge Handbook of Psychology and Economic Behaviourcuppeb2008

Cambridge Handbook of Psychology, Health and Medicinecupphm2007

The Cambridge Handbook of Sociocultural Psychologycupsp2007

The Cambridge Handbook of Violent Behavior and Aggressioncupvba2007

The Cambridge Historical Dictionary of Diseasecupdisease

Cambridge World History of Foodcupfood

Canada's Diverse Peoples: A Reference Sourcebookabccanada2003

Capstone Encyclopaedia of Businesscapstonebus

Cassell's Peoples, Nations and Culturesorionpnc

Chambers 21st Century Dictionarychamb21dict

Chambers Biographical Dictionarychambbd2007

Chambers Classic Speecheschambspeeches

Chambers Dictionary of Eponymscde

Chambers Dictionary of Literary Characterschamblc2004

Chambers Dictionary of World Historychambdictwh

Chambers Dictionary of the Unexplainedchambun2007

Chambers Film Factfinderchambfilm

The Chronology of American Literaturechronamlit

Churchill Livingstone's Dictionary of Nursingehscldictnursing

Collins Concise Dictionary of Quotationshcdquot

Collins Dictionary of Astronomycollinsastron2006

Collins Dictionary of Biologycollinsbiology2005

Collins Dictionary of Businesscollinsbus2006

Collins Dictionary of Computinghcdcomp

Collins Dictionary of Economicscollinsecon2006

Collins Dictionary of Lawcollinslaw2006

Collins Dictionary of Medicinecollinsmed2007

Collins Dictionary of Sociologycollinssoc2006

Collins English Dictionaryhcengdict

Collins French Dictionary Pluscollinsfrench2007

Collins German Dictionarycollinsgerman2007

Collins Irish Dictionarycollinsirish2006

Collins Italian Dictionarycollinsital2005

Collins Latin Dictionaryhcdlat

Collins Portuguese Dictionarycollinsport2006

Collins Spanish Dictionarycollinsspan2005

Collins Spurrell Welsh Dictionarycollinswelshdict

The Collins World Atlas Gazetteerhcworldmap

The Columbia Companion to the Twentieth-Century American Short Storycolumamshstory

The Columbia Encyclopediacolumency2008

Companion Encyclopedia of Asian Philosophyroutasianp2002

The Companion to British History, Routledgeroutcbh

Computer Graphics Companioncgraphicscomp

Concise Atlas of World History, Andromedaandawh

The Concise Corsini Encyclopedia of Psychology and Behavioral Sciencewileypsych

Concise Encyclopedia of Latin American Literatureroutlamlit2000

Concise Encyclopedia of Plant Pathologyroutpp2004

Concise Encyclopedia of Sociolinguisticsestsocioling2001

Condensed Encyclopedia of Polymer Engineering Termsestpolymer2001

Consciousness: A Guide to the Debatesabcconscie2003

Conspiracy Theories in American Historyabcconspir2003

Contemporary Youth Culture: An International Encyclopediagwyouth2005

Continuum Companion to Twentieth Century Theatreconttct2002

Continuum Encyclopedia of American Literatureamlit

Continuum Encyclopedia of British Literaturebritlit

Continuum Encyclopedia of Children's Literaturekidlit

Continuum Encyclopedia of Popular Music of the World: Locationscontpmwl2005

Continuum Encyclopedia of Popular Music of the World: Media, Industry and Societycontpmwmis2003

Continuum Encyclopedia of Popular Music of the World: Performance and Productioncontpmwpp2003

Critical Terms for Art Historyuchicagoah2003

Critical Terms for Literary Studyuchicagols1995

Critical Terms for Religious Studiesuchicagors1998

Critical Terms for the Study of Buddhismuchicagobud2005

The Crystal Reference Encyclopediacre2005 D

Debrett's Peerage & Baronetage 2008dbpb2008

Debrett's People of Today 2009pot2009

The Devil's Dictionarydevildict

Dictionary of Accountingacbaccount2007

Dictionary of Architecture and Constructionmhbuilding2006

Dictionary of Astronomy, Peter Collin Publishingpcpdastr

Dictionary of British Historymhbh2002

Dictionary of Businessacbbusiness2006

Dictionary of Communications Technology: Terms, Definitions and Abbreviations, Wileywileycommtech

Dictionary of Computingacbcomp2008

Dictionary of Conflict Resolution, Wileywileyconfres

A Dictionary of Contemporary History - 1945 to the presentbkchist

Dictionary of Contemporary Slangacbslang

Dictionary of Developmental Biology and Embryology, Wileywileydevbio

A Dictionary of Diplomacymacdiplom

Dictionary of E-Businessdictebusiness

Dictionary of Economics, Wileywileyecon

Dictionary of Engineering Terms, Butterworth-Heinemannbhidet

Dictionary of Environmental Science and Technologywileyenvsci2000

Dictionary of Existentialismgwexist1999

Dictionary of Finance and Investment Termsbarronsfin2006

Dictionary of Financial Engineeringwileyfe

Dictionary of Food: International Food and Cooking Terms from A to Zacbdictfood2005

Dictionary of Foreign Phrases and Abbreviations, H.W. Wilsondfpa

Dictionary of Forensic Psychologywillanfp2008

Dictionary of Hindu Lore and Legend, Thames & Hudsonthhll

The Dictionary of Human Geographybkhumgeo

Dictionary of Human Resources and Personnel Managementacb

Dictionary of Information and Library Managementacbinfomanage

Dictionary of Italian Literaturegwitalian1996

Dictionary of Jewish Lore and Legend, Thames & Hudsonthjll

Dictionary of Languagesdictlang

Dictionary of Lawacblaw2007

Dictionary of Leisure, Travel and Tourismacbleisure

Dictionary of Linguistics and Phoneticsbkdictling2003

A Dictionary of Literary Symbolslitsymb2007

Dictionary of Media Studiesdictmedia

Dictionary of Medical Termsacbmedterm2008

Dictionary of Modern American Philosopherscontmap2005

Dictionary of Multimedia and Internet Applications: A Guide for Developers and Userswdmia

Dictionary of Optometry and Visual Scienceehsvision2009

A Dictionary of Philosophy, Macmillanmacdphil

The Dictionary of Physical Geographybkphsgeo

Dictionary of Policingwillanpolicing2008

Dictionary of Politics and Governmentacbgovtpol

Dictionary of Prisons and Punishmentwillandpp2007

Dictionary of Probation and Offender Managementwillandpom2007

Dictionary of Publishing and Printingacbpublishing

Dictionary of Race, Ethnicity & Culturesageukrace2003

Dictionary of Shakespeare, Peter Collin Publishingpcpdshakes

A Dictionary of Sociolinguisticsedinburghds2004

Dictionary of Spanish Law, Peter Collin Publishingpcpdspalaw

Dictionary of World Philosophyroutwp2001

Dictionary of Youth Justicewillanyouthj2008

Divided by a Common Languagehmdbacl

Dorland's Illustrated Medical Dictionaryehsdorland2007 E

The Edinburgh Encyclopaedia of Modern Criticism and Theoryedinburghmct2002

The Edinburgh Encyclopedia of Continental Philosophyedinburghcp1999

The Edinburgh International Encyclopaedia of Psychoanalysisedinburghpsychoa2006

The Elgar Companion to Consumer Research and Economic Psychologyelgarcrep1999

The Elgar Companion to Feminist Economicselgarfe2004

The Elgar Dictionary of Economic Quotationselgareq2003

Elsevier's Dictionary of Psychological Theoriesestpsyctheory2006

The Encyclopaedia of the Renaissancemheren

Encyclopedia of 20th Century Technologyrout20t2005

Encyclopedia of African Historyroutafricanhistory

The Encyclopedia of American Folk Artroutfolkart

Encyclopedia of American Poetry: The Twentieth Centuryroutampoetry

Encyclopedia of Applied Psychologyestappliedpsyc2004

Encyclopedia of Archaeology: History and Discoveriesabcarch2001

Encyclopedia of Classical Philosophycwclassical1997

Encyclopedia of Cognitive Sciencewileycs2005

Encyclopedia of Computer Scienceencyccs

Encyclopedia of Dinosaursestdino1997

The Encyclopedia of Ecology and Environmental Management, Blackwell Sciencebkeeem

Encyclopedia of Emancipation and Abolition in the Transatlantic Worldsharpeeman2007

Encyclopedia of Empiricismroutemp1997

Encyclopedia of Ethicsroutethics2001

Encyclopedia of German Literatureroutgermanlit

Encyclopedia of Human Rights Issues since 1945abchri1999

Encyclopedia of Insectsestinsects2003

Encyclopedia of Intelligence & Counterintelligencesharpint2005

An Encyclopedia of Keynesian Economicselgarke1999

Encyclopedia of Latin American and Caribbean Literature, 1900-2003routlaclit2004

Encyclopedia of Life Writing: Autobiographical and Biographical Formsroutlifewrite

An Encyclopedia of Macroeconomicselgarme2002

Encyclopedia of Medical Anthropology: Health and Illness in the World's Culturessprmedanth2004

Encyclopedia of Medieval Literaturegwmedieval2000

Encyclopedia of Mexico: History, Society & Cultureroutmex1998

Encyclopedia of Nationalism: Fundamental Themesestnational2000a

Encyclopedia of Nationalism: Leaders, Movements, and Conceptsestnational2000

Encyclopedia of North American Indians, Houghton Mifflinhmenai

Encyclopedia of Paleontologyroutpaleont

Encyclopedia of Post-Colonial Literatures in Englishroutpcl2005

Encyclopedia of Postmodernismroutpostm2000

The Encyclopedia of Public Choicesprpubchoice2004

Encyclopedia of Sex and Gender: Men and Women in the World's Culturessprsg2003

Encyclopedia of Social and Cultural Anthropologyroutencsca2004

Encyclopedia of Special Education: A Reference for the Education of the Handicapped and Other Exceptional Children and Adultswileyse2007

Encyclopedia of Urban America: The Cities and Suburbsabcurban2002

Encyclopedia of Urban Legendsabcul2001

Encyclopedia of Violence, Peace and Conflictestpeace2008

Encyclopedia of Volcanoesestvolcano2000

Encyclopedia of Women Social Reformersabcwsr2001

Encyclopedia of Women and Gender: Sex Similarities and Differences and the Impact of Society on Genderestwomen2001

Encyclopedia of Women's Autobiographyabcwautob2005

Encyclopedia of Women's Healthsprwh2004

The Encyclopedia of World Historyhmencyclwh

Encyclopedia of World Trade From Ancient Times to the Presentsharpewt2005

Encyclopedia of the European Unionlrpenceu

Encyclopedia of the History of American Managementcontham2006

Encyclopedia of the Human Brainesthumanbrain2002

Encyclopedia of the Human Genomewileyhg2005

Encyclopedia of the Romantic Era, 1760-1850routromanticera

Encyclopedia of the Solar Systemestsolar2007

Encyclopedia of the United States in the Nineteenth Centurygaleus19

Encyclopedic Dictionary of Women in Early American Films: 1895-1930, Anroutwfilm2005

Eurojargoneurojargon

The Evolution Wars: A Guide to the Debatesabcevolve2000 F

The Faber Companion to 20th Century Popular Musicff20cpop

Feminist Philosophies A-Zedinburghfem2007

A Financial History of the United Statessharpefhus2002

First Ladies of the United Stateslrpfirstladies2001

Focal Dictionary of Telecommunications, Focal Pressbhfidt

The Former Soviet Union's Diverse Peoples: A Reference Sourcebookabcsoviet2004

The Former Yugoslavia's Diverse Peoples: A Reference Sourcebookabcyugo2003

France and the Americas: Culture, Politics, and Historyabcframrle2005 G

Gender and Education: An Encyclopediaabcge2007

Geography of the Worlddkgw2009

Germany and the Americas: Culture, Politics, and Historyabcgeamrle2005

A Glossary of Political Theoryedinburghgpt2007

A Glossary of UK Government and Politicsedinburghgukgp2007

Good Word Guideacbgwg2007

Great American Court Cases, Galegreatcourts

The Great American History Fact-Finderhmgahff

The Great Dinosaur Controversy: A Guide to the Debatesabcdinoe2004

Great Irish Lives: An Era in Obituariescollinsglirish2008

Great Lives: A Century in Obituariescollinsgl2005

Great Military Lives: Leadership and Courage - From Waterloo to the Falklands in Obituariescollinsglmil2008

Great Thinkers A-Zcontgt2004

Great Victorian Lives: An Era in Obituariescollinsglvict2007

The Greenwood Encyclopedia of Latino Literatureabclatlit2008

Guide to Economic Indicatorssharpeei2006

Guide to Gemsphilipsgems

Guide to Global Hazardsphilipsglobalhaz

Guide to Minerals, Rocks and Fossilsphilipsminerals

Guide to Seashells of the Worldphilipsseashells

Guide to Stars and Planetsphilipsstars

A Guide to the Ancient World, H.W. Wilsongttaw

Guide to the Oceansphilipsoceans

Guns in American Society: An Encyclopedia of History, Politics, Culture and the Lawabcguns2003 H

Handbook of Aging and the Social Sciencesestaging2005

Handbook of Environmental Sociologygwenvsoc2001

Handbook of Forensic Psychology: Resource for Mental Health and Legal Professionalsestforensic2003

Handbook of Global Environmental Politicselgargep2005

A Handbook of Globalisation and Environmental Policyelgarhgep2005

Handbook of Research on Teaching the English Language Artsroutengart2003

Handbook of Research on the Education of Young Childrenroutsmch2006

Handbook of United States Economic and Financial Indicatorsgwindicators2000

Handbook of Vegetable Pestsestvegpest2001

Hargrave's Communications Dictionary, Wileyhargravecomms

Harrap's-Dalloz French-English Law Dictionarychambfreenglaw

Harrap’s Polish Dictionarychambpolish

The Harvard Biographical Dictionary of Musicharvbiodictmusic

The Harvard Dictionary of Musicharvdictmusic

High Definition: A-Z Guide to Personal Technologyhmhighdef

A Historical Companion to Postcolonial Literatures: Continental Europe and its Empiresedinburghpcl2008

Holidays, Festivals, and Celebrations of the World Dictionaryhfcwd

Holocaust Literature: An Encyclopedia of Writers and Their Workroutwriting

The Holy Bible, King James Version, Cambridge University Presscupkjvbible

Homosexuality and Science: A Guide to the Debatesabcbiohome2002

The Houghton Mifflin Dictionary of Geographyhmgeog

How We Talk: American Regional English Todayhmhowwetalk

The Human Body Book: An Illustrated Guide to Its Structure, Function and Disordersdkbody2007

Human Evolution: A Guide to the Debatesabcregale2004

The Hutchinson Chronology of World Historyheliconcwh2009

The Hutchinson Dictionary of Scientific Biographyhdsb2009

The Hutchinson Unabridged Encyclopedia with Atlas and Weather guideheliconhe2009 I

Iberia and the Americas: Culture, Politics, and Historyabcibamrle2005

An Illustrated Dictionary of Aviationida

Illustrated Dictionary of Science, Andromedaandidsci

Immigration and Asylum from 1900 to Presentabcmigrate2005

International Dictionary of Homeopathyidoh

International Encyclopedia of Environmental Politicsroutenvpol2004

International Encyclopedia of Hospitality Managementesthospitality2005

International Handbook of Giftedness and Talentestgift2000

Iran's Diverse Peoples: A Reference Sourcebookabciran2005

Ireland and the Americas: Culture, Politics, and Historyabciramrle2006 J

Jablonski's Dictionary of Medical Acronyms & Abbreviationsehsacron2009 K

Key Concepts in Early Childhood Education and Caresageukecec2006

Key Concepts in Feminist Theory and Researchsageukftr2002

Key Concepts in Journalism Studiessageukjour2005

Key Concepts in Medical Sociologysageukms2004

Key Concepts in Political Communicationsageukpc2006

Key Concepts in Postcolonial Literaturemacpcl2007

Key Concepts in Urban Studiessageukus2005

Key Concepts in Worksageukwork2007

Key Contemporary Conceptssageukcc2003

Key Ideas in Linguistics and the Philosophy of Languageedinburghilpl2009

Key Thinkers in Linguistics and the Philosophy of Languageedinburghthinkl2005

Key Thinkers in Psychologysageuktp2006

Keywords and Concepts in Evolutionary Developmental Biologyhupedb2006

Keywords for American Cultural Studiesnyupacs2007 L

Late Antiquity: A Guide to the Postclassical Worldhupla1999 M

Macmillan Dictionary of Toxicologymactox

Macmillan Dictionary of the Biblemacdbib

The Macmillan Encyclopediamove2003

Macquarie Dictionary of Australian Politicsmdpol

The Macquarie Dictionary of Trees & Shrubsmdtrees

The Macquarie Dictionarymacqdict2005

The Macquarie Encyclopedia of Australian Eventsmacevents

Manufacturing Engineering Handbookmhmeh2004

Marquis Who Was Who in America 1607-1984marqwas2009

Marquis Who Was Who in America 1985-presentmarquiswww2010

Marquis Who's Who in Americamarquisam2010

Marquis Who's Who in the Worldmarquisworld2010

Martial Arts of the Worldabcmlarts2001

McGraw-Hill Concise Encyclopedia of Science and Technologyconscitech

McGraw-Hill Dictionary of Scientific and Technical Termsmhscience

Merriam-Webster's Collegiate(R) Dictionarymwcollegiate

Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Lawmwdlaw

Merriam-Webster's Geographical Dictionarymwgeog2007

Merriam-Webster's Medical Desk Dictionary, Revised Editionmwmedicaldesk

Mexico: An Encyclopedia of Contemporary Culture and Historyabcmexico2004

Miller's Antiques Encyclopediamae2003

Mosby's Dental Dictionaryehsdent2008

Mosby's Dictionary of Complementary and Alternative Medicinemosbycompmed

Mosby's Dictionary of Medicine, Nursing, & Health Professionsehsmosbymed2008

Mosby's Emergency Dictionaryehsmed

Mosby's Handbook of Herbs & Natural Supplementsehsmosbyherbs2010 N

National Gallery Collectionng2009

Natural Medicine Instructions for Patientsnmifp

Need to Know? Islamcollinsislam2008

New Americans: A Guide to Immigration Since 1965hupnewam2007

The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Houghton Mifflinhmndcl

The New Encyclopedia of Judaismnyupencyjud

The New Food Lover's Companion, Barron'sbarronflc2007

New Harvard Guide to Women's Health, Thehupwh2004

The New Penguin Business Dictionarypenguinbus2002

The New Penguin Dictionary of Musicpenguinmusic

The New Penguin Dictionary of Sciencepenguinscience

The New Wine Lover's Companion, Barron'sbarronswine

Newnes Dictionary of Electronics, Newnesbhelec

Nigeria's Diverse Peoples: A Reference Sourcebookabcnigeria2003

The Nobel Memorial Laureates in Economicselgarnobel2005

Notable American Women: 1607-1950hupnawi1950

Notable American Women: Completing the Twentieth Centuryhupnawiii2000

Notable American Women: The Modern Periodhupnawii1980 O

Oddbins Dictionary of Wineoddwine P

Palgrave Macmillan Dictionary of Political Thoughtmacpt2007

The Palgrave Macmillan Dictionary of Women's Biographymacdwb2005

The Penguin Biographical Dictionary of Womenpenbdw

Penguin Dictionary of Biologypenguinbio2004

The Penguin Dictionary of Economicspenguinecon2003

The Penguin Dictionary of Mathematicspenguinmath

The Penguin Dictionary of Physicspendphys

The Penguin Dictionary of Psychologypenguinpsyc2001

The Penguin Dictionary of Sociologypenguinsoc

Penguin Encyclopedia of Placespenep

The Penguin English Dictionarypenguineng2007

The Penguin International Dictionary of Financepenguinfinance2003

The Penguin Rhyming Dictionarypenrd

Pharmaceutical Medicine Dictionarypmd

Philip's Encyclopedia 2008philipency2008

Philip's World Factbook 2008-2009philipswfb2008

Philosophy of Education: An Encyclopediaroutpe1996

Philosophy of Science A-Zedinburghps2007

Political Philosophy A-Zedinburghppaz2007

Pop Culture Arab World! Media, Arts, and Lifestyleabcarabpe2005

Pop Culture China! Media, Arts, and Lifestyleabcpochine2007

Pop Culture Germany! Media, Arts, and Lifestyleabcpopger2006

Pop Culture India! Media, Arts, and Lifestyleabcindpope2006

Pop Culture Latin America! Media, Arts, and Lifestyleabclampope2005

Pop Culture Russia! Media, Arts, and Lifestyleabcrusspe2005

Power and Succession in Arab Monarchieslrppsam2008

The Praeger Handbook of Latino Education in the U.S.abclatinoed2007

Propaganda and Mass Persuasion: A Historical Encyclopedia, 1500 to the Presentabcprop2003

Public Opinion and Polling Around the World: A Historical Encyclopediaabcopinion2004 Q

The Qur'anquran R

Rawson's Dictionary of American Quotationsrawdaq

Rawson's Dictionary of Euphemisms and Other Doubletalkrawdeod

Rawson's Wicked Wordsrawww

The Reader's Companion to American Historyrcah

The Reader's Companion to Military Historyrcmh

The Reader's Companion to U.S. Women's Historyrcuswh

The Reader's Companion to the American Presidencyrcap

Reader's Guide to British Historyroutbrithistory

Reader's Guide to the History of Sciencerouthistscience

Reader's Guide to the Social Sciencesroutsocial

Religious Holidays & Calendarsogirholidays2004

Respectfully Quotedlcresquot

Ripples of Hope: Great American Civil Rights Speechespershope2003

Rivers of North Americaestrivers2005

Roget's II The New Thesaurushmrogets2

The Royal Society of Medicine Health Encyclopediarsmhealth

The Royal Society of Medicine: Medicinesrsmmeds S

The Sage Dictionary of Cultural Studiessageukcult2004

Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionaryehsvetdict

Science in the Ancient World: An Encyclopediaabcsciaw2004

Science in the Contemporary World: An Encyclopediaabccscience2005

Science in the Early Twentieth Century: An Encyclopediaabcscie20th2005

Science in the Enlightenment: An Encyclopediaabcscienl2003

Shakespeare's Theatre: A Dictionary of His Stage Contextcontst2002

Ships of the World, Houghton Mifflinshipheads

Simpson's Contemporary Quotationssimpsons

The Social Science Jargon-Bustersageukssjb2007

South Africa's Diverse Peoples: A Reference Sourcebookabcsafrica2005 T

Taber's Cyclopedic Medical Dictionarytcmd2009

The Thames & Hudson Dictionary of 20th Century Architectureth20ca

The Thames & Hudson Dictionary of Art Termsthat2003

The Thames & Hudson Dictionary of Art and Artiststhaa

The Thames & Hudson Dictionary of British Artthba

The Thames & Hudson Dictionary of Design Since 1900thdesign2005

The Thames & Hudson Dictionary of Fashion and Fashion Designersthfashion2007

The Thames & Hudson Dictionary of Graphic Design and Designersthgraph2006

Thames & Hudson Dictionary of the Italian Renaissance, Thethir

The Thames & Hudson Encyclopaedia of Impressionismthei

Time Saver Standards for Architectural Design: Technical Data for Professional Practicemharch2005 U

U.S. Census 2000 State & County Statistical QuickFactsuscensus2000

The Ultimate Business Library, Wileywileyultbuslib

The Underground Railroad: An Encyclopedia of People, Places, and Operationssharperail2008 W

Wall Street Wordshmwsw2003

Webster's New World Finance and Investment Dictionarywileynwfid

Webster's New World™ Computer Dictionarywebstercom

Webster's New World™ Medical Dictionarywebstermed

Who Was Who at Waterloo: A Biography of the Battlepearsonwwww2007

Who's Who In Economicselgarwwe2003

Who's Who in Ancient Egypt, Routledgeroutwwae

Who's Who in Christianity, Routledgeroutwwchr

Who's Who in Classical Mythology, Routledgeroutwwcm

Who's Who in Gay and Lesbian History, Routledgeroutgayandles

Who's Who in The Roman World, Routledgeroutwwromwor

Who's Who in the New Testament, Routledgeroutwwnt

Who's Who in the Old Testament, Routledgeroutwwot

The Wisden Archive of Cricketers' Lives 2009wisden2009

Women in the Middle Ages: An Encyclopediaabcwma2004

Women's History as Scientists: A Guide to the Debatesabcwoscie2003

Word Histories and Mysterieshmwhm

Word Originsacbwordorig2006

World Politics Since 1945pearsonwp2009

World of Criminal Justice, Galeworldcrims

World of Sociology, Galeworldsocs 5

50 Key Concepts in Gender Studies

– iride  scent  23:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Some users like myself keep lists of sources we have access to, User:Charles Edward/Personal Library. It could be useful such users to create a larger catalog somehow to better facilitate research. &mdash;Charles Edward (Talk 23:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You mean like the resource exchange? Phil Bridger (talk) 23:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * My own (partial) list is here. I'd love to see a catalog/bot gadget that would let us search for Wikipedians with a given source, assuming that pages like this were tagged to be searchable. Mike Christie (talk) 23:51, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Using the Wikipedia search function will find listings of books and authors if they are in plain text on a user's personal list in their userspace. A search like this found one of the books in your userspace, plus others who have that book. You can also use "what links here" if people link stuff in some way, or list ISBNs (but most people don't do that). Userspace can be noindexed for search engines (the default is that they are indexed), but should always be searchable by the internal search method. Carcharoth (talk) 00:11, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

I haven't been to a UK public library in years. I hadn't realised it was now possible both to access such things online from any computer (I thought you had to go and use the library computers) and to join libraries online (last time I joined a library I went in person and then never used the library card which ran out after three years). I can get to one of those Westminster libraries easily. I'll strike my name from the list as well. I may never go to a bookshop again... :-) Carcharoth (talk) 00:24, 20 March 2010 (UTC) So I feel slightly less silly, can someone say when UK libraries started offering this sort of 'over the internet' access?


 * The picture isn't very precise because different libraries subscribe to different services (e.g. Westminster apparently doesn't subscribe to 90 of the Credo 250 sources—see collapsed section below) and anyway there's no guarantee that subscriptions will be maintained in the current economic climate. So relying on the goodwill of another borough's library might not be sustainable in the long term. - Pointillist (talk) 00:48, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

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 * Oh. Well, I won't unstrike my name as being in London I do have better access to libraries than most (it's not like I'm in the middle of some wilderness). I've wanted for some time to get back to using real books and not relying too much on the internet, and using libraries rather than bookshops. If I end up walking to a library every lunchtime because of this, that will be a good thing! :-) Carcharoth (talk) 01:00, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


 * As a general note to the large North West England contingent, while the "big" councils of Manchester, Salford, Rochdale etc don't offer Credo, Wigan Libraries do provide it. As an aside, I suspect that the more of us sign up to this and use it, the more likely it is that the libraries in question will continue subscribing. – iride  scent  10:00, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

New York & Massachusetts
Although the link is buried in a well-hidden corner of their website, the sprawling New York Public Library system is also a subscriber to Credo; anyone who "lives, works, attends school or pays property taxes in New York State" is automatically eligible to use their subscription, although you have to attend and provide proof of ID in person before they activate your account. Likewise, Boston Public Library has a subscription open to all Massachusetts residents. – iride  scent  10:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Access
Has anybody who signed up heard from these people? Not that I snap at a gift, but I'm wondering if I misspelled by email or something. Ceoil (talk) 16:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * No, but not that surprising; we're coming off a weekend, after all, so the place is probably unstaffed. Depending on the terms of the deal, someone at the WMF might want to go through the list as well to vet the list for dubious characters and avoid the "Wikimedia Foundation not getting best use of charitable donation and thus in legal breach of Florida trust law zOMG!" press-release that Greg has no doubt already written. – iride  scent  23:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I am usually chummy with charatiable orgionisations and people giving me things for nought. But christ, Internet law? Maybe I am a "dubious character" but I want free things, now preferably. Ceoil (talk) 02:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * "Dubious characters"? I'm sure the Foundation wouldn't want to breach BLP by impugning the character of any editor on the sign-up list. DuncanHill (talk) 23:22, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I trust nobody in here. ;) Paradoctor (talk) 23:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Crossing myself from list. I might have access through college library, and don't anticipate using this much. JNW (talk) 01:53, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I now received access by mail. Password works. ---Sluzzelin talk  21:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Mine too...Modernist (talk) 21:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Arrived here too! Thanks to thoes who organised. Ceoil (talk) 21:15, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Duplicate?
Can someone check into current lines 29/30 - I can't tell if simple English's User:Nonvocal Scream accidentally signed up twice. Karanacs (talk) 14:35, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Quick update
I sent the Credo folks the final list of email addresses last Friday (any strikethroughs that happened since then will still get accounts - just ignore them). They'll send me a test account first, and once I've verified that everything is working correctly, I'll give the go-ahead to email the account recipients. Credo tells me they'll get this done later this week.

For those of you who have library access to Credo, note that Credo uses a tiered account model ("Credo 100", "Credo 150", "Credo 250", "Credo Unlimited"). My understanding is that the number represents the number of titles you have access to with the different accounts. These are "Credo 250" accounts; your library may have unlimited access, or it may have reduced access. So you should definitely check what you can get through your local library. Credo is giving us the "Credo 250" accounts so they can exclude some sources whose publishers may not want to be part of this program. Specifics of the program (which additional titles people really would want access to, etc.) will be discussed on the mailing list, for those who signed up for it. I'll create that list once the accounts have been set up.--Eloquence* 19:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Eloquence, I hate to write this because of the sour-grapes aspect (I was one of the people who signed up too late), but I wonder if this was handled quite fairly. A few of the accounts have not been used for a while. Some of them were used for the first time after a gap to add their names to this page. With a charitable donation as valuable as this to content contributors, would it not have made sense to make sure the signatories were active? SlimVirgin  TALK  contribs 19:45, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * That's a fair point. This is a first experiment, so the process is deliberately lightweight - but I agree that for future programs like this, we'd want to bias towards editors who would particularly benefit from access to additional resources (e.g. featured article writers, reliable source patrollers, etc.). I do hope that some of the recently inactive contributors who will receive accounts now will see this as an incentive to edit again. ;-) I am also pleasantly surprised by the high degree of receptivity to this, and I hope we can (much like a library) get better at servicing editors like yourself with resources that would help you. For the immediate future, people who will get signed up now will get the option of letting go of their account if they don't need it, in which case it'll be re-assigned to a runner-up from the list.--Eloquence* 02:44, 23 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I was one of those who has not edited that much on here recently, however, this is because I have become far more active on another Wikimedia project, for which I plan to make full use of my Credo account. It may be possible that that is the case for others as well. CopaceticThought (talk) 20:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, indeed, but looking through them there appear to be a few that that doesn't apply to, or at least not obviously so. SlimVirgin  TALK  contribs 20:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * @Eloquence: some of the UK-based signatories (like me) may not have realised when signing up that they had already, or could easily get, some or all of this access through a local library card. Not everyone will have checked back here after signing up to see the subsequent discussions and strike outs.  Would it be worth asking people on the list to check whether they still need this access before the accounts are created? BencherliteTalk 20:18, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I was just wondering but is there a time limit to these accounts. The reason I ask is because I think its safe to say that we will all leave WP for one reason or another eventually and I think it would be good if these accesses were recyclable as it were so if a user doesn't use it for say 6months or a year then it could be released to another editor. Its also possible that some of us simply don't need or want it and it would be nice if we could pass that along to another editor rather than it go unused. --Kumioko (talk) 20:26, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * FWIW, should I really happen not to use the account for more than four weeks, I'll pass it on. Feel free to remind me of this promise. Not that I see it happening in the near future, but then again, I'm nearsighted. ;) Paradoctor (talk) 21:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Likewise. My code just arrived this evening (London time) and I probably won't kick the tires properly for a few days. But if it turns out I can get equivalent access by registering at another UK library, I'll happily resign my "Credo bit" in favor of SlimVirgin et al. - Pointillist (talk) 22:10, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Friendly challenge
The Credo Reference access codes arrived today. This resource is wonderful! Am starting to draft a Wikipedia biography for Lauro Aguirre, a journalist who was active in the Mexican revolution. "The Encyclopedia of Mexico: History, Society & Culture" is a huge help because Google Books has only spotty coverage of this person.

So let's start things off with a friendly challenge (open to anyone who has Credo access including library or university access): starting at midnight UTC on March 26, let's see who's the first person to create or expand five DYK articles using Credo.

Offering a barnstar and a courtesy restoration as incentive. Best wishes! Durova 412 21:19, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Good idea! I hope if we make good use of the service, and don't start fighting about it, there will be more offers like this. --Apoc2400 (talk) 22:31, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll have to opt out of that one. 1394 hits for "paradox", and the concept map has five identically-labeled centers. Bliss! ^_^ Paradoctor (talk) 22:37, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Account update
Credo has informed me that all accounts have now been emailed out. If you didn't receive an account, but expected to, please email me at  and I'll look into it. There was a very small number of people who applied through the web form, but didn't also add themselves to the sign-up sheet -- this was a necessary validation step, so I've skipped over those applications.--Eloquence* 00:44, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't received mine. I'll email erik now. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 22:24, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Usage
Credo does have some excellent resources (which helped make Edmund Evans FA)...but it doesn't seem to be used much. A shows less than 86 links in mainspace to credo...yet 100 accounts were given out. Perhaps some of those accounts ought to be redistributed?Smallman12q (talk) 20:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You can start with mine. Sadly, I'll not be able to contribute as much as I used to, so the account would be wasted in my hands. Paradoctor (talk) 18:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I haven't been making as much use of mine as I had hoped to either. I'd be happy to see it go to some worthier soul who would use it for more content generation and improvement than I. --RL0919 (talk) 02:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm really glad to see people volunteering this. If everyone who isn't using the accounts would be willing to release them, we could hopefully redistribute to people who'd use them. SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 08:11, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

As a general update:

Credo has generously offered a large number of additional accounts (up to 400 additional ones). The process that I used for the first batch was pretty clunky and time-consuming, so I've been using this as an opportunity to look into better strategies for Wikimedia to interface with external databases like Credo. As part of his contract work for the Wikimedia Foundation, User:^demon is currently evaluating what it would take to build a standard technical interface between Wikimedia and information providers (starting with an evaluation of EZproxy, a commonly used but unfortunately proprietary proxy for external databases). This is a slow-burn project, so I don't expect that we'll be able to find a solution quickly, but I hope we can keep moving this along steadily, as I think it could enable many more partnerships with information providers.

In the short term, if someone wants to volunteer running a process to get an additional batch of user accounts (I need a spreadsheet of home wikis, e-mail addresses and user names, and enforcement of some reasonable minimum requirements like edit counts), I'd be more than happy to relay the final list to Credo and get those accounts created. That'd be easier than trying to identify and re-allocate unused accounts (which we can always do later if we run out of free ones). Anyone up for volunteering to run a process for an additional, say, 200 accounts?--Eloquence* 00:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well in any case, I won't be accepting one, in case the spillover list from last time is used, as I don't anticipate using it. Still, the first time was a farce as many well-known "hat-collectors" who just try to sign up for every job and status to get famous, and never edit, got them ahead of a few others who actually write something, SV for example  YellowMonkey  ( new photo poll )  02:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know how to set up a spreadsheet, but I've asked someone who does, and I'll also be asking a few Wikipedians to suggest inclusion criteria. Personally I'd like to see them pretty strict, because this is a significant charitable donation, and incredibly valuable to regular content contributors. Access to subscription-only reference works is a major obstacle for content contributors who don't have access through their universities or local libraries, so I hope we can focus on need plus likely benefit to the project. SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 11:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I lose access to all my databases in October, and will suddenly become crippled and blind. Remember me when you're handing out database access... &bull; Ling.Nut 11:40, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Obviously it should be biased towards proven, and active content contributors. I may be biased as a FA specialist, but if you are contributing at that level, you should be on the A-list for this.  Like Ling Nut, for example.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:54, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Setting up a 200 row spreadsheet is fairly trivial, just a matter of reading the e-mails and inputting the data after some checking. Hopefully someone can get moving on this; the last call for them was gone in hours, so something less "cattle-call" would be nice this time. Finding a criteria that doesn't focus on edit count will be difficult, as "one GA/FL/FA in any language" might be too restrictive. Then again we're only talking about 200 accounts to go around. Courcelles 11:57, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

For criteria I was thinking along these lines:


 * potential recipients should have no free access to Credo or similar through their university or local library;
 * they should have been editing regularly for at least a year;
 * the focus of their edits should be content contribution in the sense of creating articles or adding material using reliable sources;
 * they should have at least 1,000 edits to articles;
 * they should have one FAC or GA nomination to their name (even if not a successful one), or alternatively they'll commit to nominating something within the next year.

Any thoughts? SlimVirgin talk| contribs 12:08, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I like the bursary model - "this is a supplement for people who are already making use of it but find themselves unable to gain access". I'm not sure we've a hundred of those people - it's mainly the university-leaving cohort - but we can certainly reserve a batch for them. So perhaps ways of identifying someone who regularly uses subscription databases (of whatever form) or paywalled reference sites would work here - we can probably take it on trust that if they already have access, they won't be asking for it!
 * Another option is to assign them conditionally. I'm not closely familiar with how Credo works - we used to have a subscription to them, but cancelled it a couple of yars back, so I can't have a play with their admin interface to find out - but it's possible that we might be able to set this up in such a way that we can determine if any individual account in the set is active or inactive. Every three-six months, run the check and identify the unused ones; reset the passwords on those and dole them out to new users. We're maintaining a constant level of individual user accounts, this way, just changing "who holds the keys", so it should work within the spirit of the restriction. Shimgray | talk | 12:38, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I received one of the original CREDO accounts back last year. It has been a useful asset at times, but in terms of overall value, I have mixed opinion. There is certainly not enough comprehensive information on most topics to author an article of significant value here. Using Credo alone, for the purpose of writing featured content, or even good content, is not possible. To be frank, I have not found enough information on topics to write anything more than a start class article. I always had to go outside of CREDO to get a more detailed view of the subject. It is good as a reference tool to point you in the right direction, and to look up basic and cursory information. I think that creates a fairly narrow use for wikipedia editors. When I write an article here, I am generally trying to cover the topic in detail, not write a stub. The area that I see CREDO having the best use would be for fact-checking and for editors who do not have access to a public library. Maybe other editors have had different experience? But IMO, CREDO is useful only for writing limited quality articles, and trying to get it to content builders is not really the way to go. It would be much more useful in the hands of our reference desk, vandalism fighting page patrollers, or editors who like to write starter articles. &mdash;Charles Edward (Talk 13:03, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Nonetheless, I would suggest reserving accounts, should they desire it, for the top fifty FA contributors, and to allow for rookies, anyone who is in the top 20 for 2010 but hasn't yet reached the top 50 overall.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:06, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Having seen Credo popping back up on my watchlist recently reminds me that I was sent details about an account even though I had scrubbed my name off the list. I've never used it. How do I pass it on, please? Thanks, BencherliteTalk 13:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Give it to SlimVirgin. I have dibs on the next time someone surrenders the Keys to the Kingdom. &bull; Ling.Nut 13:22, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * That's very kind, Ling, but I'd feel uncomfortable taking it ahead of anyone else on the list. I'd rather wait to see if I get lucky this time round. :) SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 13:27, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps add unwanted and disused accounts to those to be given out this time?--Wehwalt (talk) 14:11, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * My own activity revolves around AFD and DYK. I oppose reserving such accounts for GA/FA work as my impression is that activity in these areas is well-serviced already and you get diminishing returns once an article is past start class.  FA work seems to be about dotting the i's and crossing the t's and most articles at this level will already have an abundance of sources. Colonel Warden (talk) 15:04, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a tendency here to categorise editors in rather constraining ways, as FA/GA editors for instance. Sure, I've worked on a few FA/GAs, but I've worked on a damn sight more little things that'll never be taken to those elevated heights, at least not by me anyway. I have one of the initial 100 Credo accounts, and although I've never cited Credo I do use it as an additional fact-checking tool, as I also look at new pages and I've been known to undertake the odd review or two. BTW, I can assure you that there's a lot more to FA than dotting the i's and crossing the t's. ;-) Malleus Fatuorum 17:26, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I also lost my library access *sob*. I'm close to a few colleges and I've been thinking about seeing if I can get some kind of access as a member of the local community. I haven't had time to look into it yet. I'm still not sure if someone else farther away from higher education institutions would benefit more than I would. --Moni3 (talk) 15:55, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd say there needs to be some kind of "demonstrate that you have a use for this" criterion. Presumably, Credo are monitoring the usage of these accounts, and will have noticed that at least some of the subscribers to the first batch are the usual-suspect "hat collectors" who've not actually used the thing once.
 * I do agree with Charles Edward above, that most of the information available through Credo is frankly not particularly useful. (I've cited it a grand total of once.) It's possible that we're taking this too seriously, making a fuss about something that most people don't actually have a use for. – iride scent  16:04, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * So how about we just start a list of people who want it&mdash;minimum one year of regular editing, 1,000 edits to articles&mdash;and rather than just signing, each person has to explain why they need it (e.g. lots of content contribs, no access to a university library). SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 16:29, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd go with that. Worth repeating again, FWIW, that (at the moment, anyway) anyone living in the UK is eligible for this via public libraries (if yours doesn't subscribe, you need to join one somewhere that does, but all UK libraries are open to all UK residents). – iride scent  16:39, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Although none of my local libraries subscribe I know (because you've told me) that Westminster Library does for instance. I find it handier to log in directly to Credo rather than through a library web site and having to remember yet another library membership number, but laziness isn't a very good justification for me to have an account as opposed to someone from outside the UK who wouldn't otherwise be able to access the site. I'd be quite willing to give up my account to someone in more need of it than I am. Malleus Fatuorum 17:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * PS. I do hope that the "hat collector" comments weren't addressed to me; I hate hats with a passion. Malleus Fatuorum 17:35, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Wigan libraries offer it as well, which I imagine is rather more convenient for you... – iride scent  17:41, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * PS. With Westminster (and I assume everyone else) you only have to go through the logon process once; after that it remembers your logon details and puts you straight in. – iride scent  17:42, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * With all the online resources from Manchester libraries you have to log in again to each of them, prefixing your library membership number with MAN. A bit of a pita. I'll check out Wigan libraries, which as you say isn't too far away. Malleus Fatuorum 17:48, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * So how do we start this list? Is it for people from all wikis (I'm assuming yes)? If so, how do we fairly publicize that we're compiling a list so that everyone gets to see it around the same time? SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 17:55, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Just to butt in, yes, it would be great if we could make sure there's visibility past the English Wikipedia community (e.g. through the wikipedia-l mailing list). I think it's fine if any process built for applying for access lives on en.wp, given that it's an English language reference resource.--Eloquence* 20:40, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * How about something like this posted either on Credo accounts in a new section, or on Credo accounts 2? And then we post about it on the English mailing list, Foundation mailing list, village pump, WT:FAC, and WT:GA. Do we need something on Meta too?  SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 21:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * That looks good; I would note that I'll ultimately need people's e-mail address. If you give me a list of accepted usernames, I can get someone to fire a query for me on the user accounts, provided that they have the e-mail address set and verified in their preferences.--Eloquence* 21:12, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * We could ask people to add their email addresses when they request an account, unless they've added one to their preferences.


 * The other thing we need to do is decide when to open the requests. If we post it, then immediately allow people to sign up, then all of us would have an unfair advantage. So we need to be able to let people know in advance that we're accepting names from a certain date and time. SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 21:26, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem is, that whatever that time is going to be, wikipedians in a certain geographical region would have an advantage. BTW, I'd still be interested in an account. bamse (talk) 23:35, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * the whole idea of "first 100" is kinda sorta... OK I'm trying to be Ling.Nut.Nice, so I won't use the adjective I would've used in days of yore. Let's say it's problematic, and call that an understatement for the ages. &bull; Ling.Nut 02:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

I will throw in my two cents - since I already offered an observation. I think we should try an advertise what the Credo accounts are good for before we start offering them out. By doing so it may discourage people who have no use for them from applying. Here's my opinion:


 * The accounts are only marginally useful for content building - the core goal of *most* wikipedians
 * There is not significant or comprehensive information on many topics
 * Most information is encyclopedic in nature, and to a degree tertiary and thus not always appropriate per WP:RS
 * The abundant number of topics does make it a useful tool for fact checking and would be useful to users who:
 * Review content, in places like WP:PR, WP:FAC, and WP:GAN
 * Patrol new pages or changes, like at WP:NPP, who check new content for accuracy and notability
 * Editors who write short articles for WP:DYK might find enough information on a topic to write a starter article.
 * Editors who work at the WP:RD might have use for such a tool to assist in research
 * The accounts can be useful for locating better sources. Most information available for Credo is well footnoted and can be used to find more detailed information on a topic.
 * The accounts could be useful for editors who have no access to public libraries, and therefore only a very limited access to source materials.

Maybe that list could be refined a bit. I am solidly of the opinion that this tool has a narrow area of usefulness, and content building is not part of that area. I know alot of editors work in many areas. But there are also alot of editors who don't work in alot of areas and would have no use for this tool at all. :) &mdash;Charles Edward (Talk 17:01, 17 September 2010 (UTC)