Wikipedia talk:Deletion review/Log/2018 March 17

Deleted page - clarity on sporting notability

 * overturn I am writing posting on this page for the first time as an article I first published in 2014 and have been adding to for 4 years was recently deleted. The reasons for its deletion were unfounded and it seemed those who contributed to its deletion did so with vague evidence and little knowledge of subject.  @Malcolmxl5, the administrator who deleted the page, Suggested creating a discussion on this subject.

I have been in the process of publishing pages about English cricketers who have retired from the games in that’s five years and have had careers of note and distinction. The page on PM Davidge (just one of 30 players I have been compiling information on to publish onto Wikipedia) was deleted as it was suggested this cricketer, who has in brief, played over 50 Minor County matches, first class matches for the MCC and A Grade Cricket in Australia. The argument had been put forward that this career was not worthy of note on Wikipedia as the matches this cricketer had played in were all ‘minor’ in nature and these were not worthy of publication.

This argument is in itself flawed as Wikipedia recognises Minor County Cricket in its entirety as worthy of publication as are the counties that this Player has played for. The references I used to publish this page were also brought into questions. ESPN cricinfo and cricket archive show information on this subject, which again in itself means this player is a cricket of notable standing. If a player appears on ESPN cricinfo then they have been recognised by a worldwide sport specific website as being notable. The fact that the most reliable source (as referenced by one of the contributors of its deletion) classes the teams the subject played for as ‘major’ also reinforces this argument that the original publication should have never been deleted. It is worth referencing some of the games highlighted. MCC vs. Durham MCCU, both of these sides have first class status are there is a scorecard on Cricketarchive detailing this match as are games involving Oxford MCCU, Cambridge MCCU and Cardiff MCCU all teams with first class and List A status, again as referenced on Wikipedia. Other matches that were mentioned from time this player spent in Australia are referenced on the mycricket website.

There was also reference to my publication making claims about the level of cricket this player had performed at, which again are unjustified and unfounded. All of the matches I have referenced are evidenced on either ESPN, Cricketarchive or mycricket (Australian version of ECB play cricket), therefore none of my claims are false or exaggerated as previously suggested.

I would like to be able to republish this page and continue my work researching and recognised sports people who have completed notable careers in sport.

Silvercar82 (talk) 22:00, 17 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment. You should follow the instructions on the main DRV page and put this information on the project page, not the talk page, it is a little complicated, but as this stands you haven't started the DRV process. You are indeed correct and this article was deleted in error. Cricinfo says he played first class cricket for the MCC and NCricket says any first class match participation qualifies for inclusion. There were 3 delete voters who knew this and ignored it, this looks a very bad decision. Szzuk (talk) 23:07, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks for this information. I’m still not quite sure how to go about this? Do I click today’s date and then add discussion? Is there any information needs to go in front of the text? Silvercar82 (talk) 08:41, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The instructions are on this page WP:DRV. We're currently on the talk page of 17th March, not the project page of 17th march where the discussion needs to take place. You should formally ask for 'allow recreation' because the closer has made no error, that appears to have come from the afd participants. The discussion will follow with a decision in a week, there are no guarantees it will end with allow recreation. Szzuk (talk) 08:52, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Silvercar82 (talk) 10:06, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

I think I have managed to do it, although the format doesn’t look correct compared with the others. Do I just wait for other people to comment? Silvercar82 (talk) 22:19, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * There will probably be another 2 or 3 comments in the coming week and then it'll be closed with a decision. There isn't much left for you to do other than wait but you're free to make further comments. Szzuk (talk) 23:22, 18 March 2018 (UTC)