Wikipedia talk:Drawing board

New Topic Placement
New article topics and information relevant to them should be added to the project page. I see that some people add topics to the top of the Current discussions list and some add topics to the bottom of the Current discussions list. I'm wondering if we should make a suggestion as to which placement is more appropriate, or if the list should be alphabetized by topic/discussion name/heading. --cgilbert 13:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Experienced Editors Wanted
I do not see that many experienced editors frequent this page to give help to the newer editors who are requesting or contributing a new article. If this page is used properly, it can greatly aid in the creation of quality content for Wikipedia, and possibly cut down on the number of new articles that get speedily deleted. The last editor to give constructive criticism in helping me provide information for a new article was Jmabel, but I see that he is considering playing a less active role in Wikipedia. I hope that other experienced editors could help in monitoring or maintaining this page. --cgilbert 13:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Guidance
Guidance from experienced Wikipedia editors would be most beneficial and welcome to someone requesting an article, or considering contributing one. No doubt I am exceptionally dim, but I, for one, found the directions for initiating the development of a new article somewhat unclear, and spent a few minutes attempting to determine precisely where on the page new article topics were meant to be added. After scanning the dates of the additions, I decided that there was no apparent order, and added mine to the top of the list. Some gentle guidance, or clear guidelines, would have been most helpful here. Oldandtired 15:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Why people suggesting new articles come to the Drawing Board
I believe that many of the new users that come to the Drawing Board probably know that they could start an article without discussing it first, but many would like to get feedback on the feasiblity of the article before diving in. I think the feedback that the occasional experienced editor gives on these article suggestions helps to make sure that the article is either started in the right direction, that the user is directed to an already existing article on the subject, or that the user is advised not to start the article for lack of notability of subject if its a person, group, or organization.

Many users are directed to the Drawing Board when they search for an article, don't find it, but follow the link to request it. There, users are directed to a sea of different article classifications in order to actually request the article, or "If you want to do more than just request an article and would like to discuss and plan its creation go to the drawing board." So, perhaps some of the users, as was I initially, might actually be looking to collaborate on the creation of the article, not just create it themselves.

I think it would be very nice if editors could welcome some of the new users requesting articles in this manner. Giving constructive feedback, and perhaps some direction, on the planning of these articles would greatly help new contributors. This would be much preferred to having created an article without feedback, and then getting it speedily deleted. - cgilbert 15:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I actually doubt that new users know they can start articles. Most websites do not allow users to create articles in any sense.  Thus, I would not expect that new users think they can do so on Wikipedia.  We should make it clear that they can, then give them the choice of whether to seek help.  I think the link I provided, to How to start a page, I quite valuable and shouldn't be buried.  Finally, it is not a total disaster if a user's first article gets speedied.  They can learn a lesson from it and do better next time. Superm401 - Talk 04:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Archiving
There are items on the project page dating back some six months or more. Are there any plans for archiving this material? I assume the procedure is the same as for talk pages. We could set up automated archiving by Werdnabot- it could even be set up so the bot leaves unreplied to requests alone, thus decluttering the page. Should I ask to add this to the pages that his bot works on? &mdash;Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 03:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess that Werdnabot is down. I've asked about MiszaBot II's behavior to see if we can use that bot for this project page. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 07:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I just asked again about not archiving unreplied-to threads by MiszaBot II. It may be the case that we'll just have to settle for a set number of days like the setup at WP:NCHP, but maybe Misza can come up with something. In the meantime, I'm going to try to implement a solution to the fact that some editors add their questions to the top of the page and others to the bottom, making it very hard to find the requests that have been hanging around the longest.&mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 18:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Overlap
This page appears to have quite some overlap with Articles for creation. Is that intentional?  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  14:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * From what I can tell, it's supposed to be kind of like Requests for feedback except that editor's are asking before they create the article. The difference from Articles for creation, as I see it, is that the original querient will create the article him/herself rather than have someone else do it for him/her. In other words, it's the difference between saying, "Do this for me, please.", and, "Is it okay to do this?". It's a confidence booster for newer editors and can also help them to avoid common mistakes that a lot of us have made when we started editing. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 06:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Coordination
Drawing board is now listed on Coordination as of 10 August 2009 0215 UTC. &mdash;harej (talk) 02:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Some of the questions are resolved as the article has come into existence, how do they get marked resolved according to the coordination list? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello. My name is Arthur Irving and I have never seen any article ever on Music and mathematics.
I have often spoken with people as to the realm of music found within the coding of mathematics throughout both inner and outer spacial grids. Has anyone ever had the oppertunity to discuss this Phenominum? If so I would be interested in hearing what has been said and what the thought's are on this? I have looked at many messages in archieological structures as well as Stellar noise and flow structures found in the realm of Mathermatics. I wonder if there is any active study on this. If not at present, then why isn't there? With mathematics and the organization of the complexities and movement in what is though of as balance in the known universe, why would there be no background noise found through the mathematics when placed in sequencing of some computer to search and see if this might be a new way of speaking in long distances where wave technology fails.76.11.121.166 (talk) 00:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC) Arthur irving Halifax NS. This is just something new to think about as there "to my Knowledge: is little to none and it might prove interesting to hear what professionals Might think on this.
 * You should have posed your question at Drawing board. However I suspect that the topic may be a fringe theory with few publications on the subject.  If you can find several articles about the same topic from different people then it could justify an article here. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Wiki Help!
Hello,

How can I improve a businesses page from a neutral point of view? Can you give me specific examples?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boston20112 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:NPOV and WP:COI. Concrete examples of good business related articles are Oliver Typewriter Company, NeXT, BAE Systems,  McCormick Tribune Plaza & Ice Rink, among others. --damiens.rf  17:01, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

true experience
In a desperate state I rang to discuss & seek helpfrom child social services this morning I was put through to a duty worker who’s name I did not catch (began with C!) she explained the process & refused to allow me opportunity to speak ..explaining to me that the only option available to mee is the c.a.form I tried to explain that I know this to be a put off of no use as the agancies involved are also un able to help she told me that my experience was some years ago & that it had changed on asking which agencies were then involved she told me that it was up to my doctor & education to support our situation...As I tried to explain...I have spoken with my doctor (counciling offered) I have spoken with Education C.A>Form offered with then means of support from child social services Exactly my previous experience....education say social services, social services say education ...I rang Adult social services as previously child social services said as I the parent had ill health it was for Adult social services to help... I don’t know if this situation can be understood as clearly this lady was only interested in self preservation as part of her work ethic I am shocked again to leasrn that under any circumstance you are not interested in my sons welfare at all & offer this to hopefully be learnt from...my previous experience was one in which i was lied to, tricked & my son made false promises & bribes I was desperate to keep my son with me as I took on this responsibility & I love the very soul of him but am not managing through may I add no fault of my own...I have explained my circumstances so many times I feel ashamed as though the whole of Derby know my business...& appauled that you as workers are allowed to be human but I am not...however kill us all off then you’ll have no job..I do get a little annoyed however I’m sure you will choose!!!! To use the word angry I’ve experienced anger my whole child life & at 16 homeless experienced the way ward manner of peoples selfish nasty ways...I do not get angry I express point that to a civil person as myself I am alone sometime left in wonder as to what I mean..these I find are ponient expressions of the rejection felt & to sponser a tiger in Africa, support a corrupt cartal & a ministers greed clearly is your understanding...I however did never get bought...hense set up to be raped by my own *******, pimps trying to get me on drugs through friends a dad that hit me on 3 seperate occasions at 16 & made my mother choose...this is your world you I see would like me to be a marter to be left with such despair that only the last option remains....I have good reason for not wanting my son to be alone in this world but you don’t care you will @not be paid to hear or understand only talk over, betray a child & fob an intelligent LADY off.. & frankly I physhically feel very sick from that experienced conversation this morning & unfortunate to have come across such personality...I would in better position actually pitty you...though I seek help for my son hear that the trust you, education & in general the system took from me you now wish for me to set aside any notion of humaine ability which i have been willing to do for my son & please tell me what else it is you expect me to do it can be done for my sons sake...with which I feel he is better without me, so you please encorporate a family to sponser us to be a part of our lives & someone personaly TAKE RESPONSABILITY...a pathetically shameful experience however poorly spelt! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.107.104.92 (talk) 10:14, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I hope you realize that this is not suitable for an article. Also Wikipedia is not a forum. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:02, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Mossy Oak Te178407 (talk) 18:25, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
I would like to create a page that is devoted to Mossy Oak. It is a camouflage brand. I saw that there wasn't any post for it so I would like to create a page for it. The only problem is that I'm not sure if one of the sources I have is credible or not? This is the link to the page that I would like to use. http://www.mossyoak.com/content/PastAndPresent.aspx
 * We will also need two independent references that show that this is a notable company or brand. THe copany's site can be used to support uncontroversial facts, but cannot be used to show whether the topic is notable. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:05, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Maybe DB could be a bit more guided?
I'm thinking that there's a lot of suggestions for the following categories:


 * 1) new products
 * 2) companies
 * 3) vanity pages

Could it not be possible to 'nip them in the bud' by sub-directing such suggestions to areas that can assist with the specifics of each (e.g. WP:COI, and an WP:NOT) 20040302 (talk) 10:23, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to do this on people's talk pages or here. The people here are new and will not know what you are talking about with WP:COI! The DB- tags are already pretty cluttered.  COI and NOT are usually not reasons to speedy delete, so the DB- templates should not include that as a reason. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Jason_Olen_Bishop
Writing my first article and need some input on article I'm writing on Jason Olen Bishop from Dallas, TX http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Jason_Olen_Bishop

Among other things in 2006 he began to innovate a new concept of content delivery software called iSpin tm which was the precursor to Warner Brothers "Digital Copy" software.

Some references:

Please give your input, suggestions.

Thanks.

Imcobarn (talk) 06:27, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Redirecting the Drawing Board to the Article Wizard
For your information, this is suggested at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation. Cenarium (talk) 00:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Closure of drawing board
Hi, so I've been doing a review of noticeboards and noticed this one - it hasn't been used a great deal, so I think we should close it. Utilisation of a process is by no means a deciding factor in closing a board, so I had a look at other reasons. Do other forums serve the same purpose in a better way? We have the article wizard which guides the user through the process of creating an article, articles for creation to get feedback on their article, and the help desk for general editing help. Consolidating the processes will eventually make them easier to use, I think. Steven  Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 02:01, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah it only gets about 1 request a month. It might be better to use the tea house or have a volunteer use their talk page. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:52, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, the teahouse - now that's a good idea. I might close it with links, ie, to submit an article request go here, if you need general advice about creating an article go there. Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 11:34, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * redirecting to the tea house works. IRWolfie- (talk) 12:01, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Support. The drawing board is not that active.  Newbies are prefering WP:TH, helpme and WP:AfC, it seems.   Ebe  123  → report 11:47, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Support closure with a redirect to Teahouse. -- SPhilbrick (Talk)  15:13, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

OK. I've marked the page historical with some notes. Steven  Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 21:34, 7 September 2012 (UTC)