Wikipedia talk:Education program archive/University of Utah/Gender and Economic Development in the Third World (Spring 2014)

Userspace
Hi! I came across this via one of the students and I had a bit of a recommendation. Since creating an article from scratch and researching for necessary sources can take some time, sometimes it's better to create an article in your userspace. What this does is give you a place to work on your article and refine it until you believe that it's ready for the mainspace. In other words, you don't have to worry as much about it being deleted or otherwise altered from how you left it when you were last logged in. You can create userspaces by typing in something along these lines: User:Example/Article topic in the search field. You can see an example of a userspace article I've created at User:Tokyogirl79/The Hatching. In this instance I'm keeping the article in my userspace because it hasn't released yet and received enough coverage to meet notability guidelines for films. You can read more about userspace copies at Help:Userspace draft and WP:Userspace. It's a good place to incubate articles until you're ready for them to be in the main article space. (Sorry, couldn't help throwing out an egg joke in relation to my userspace article example.)

I would also like to invite everyone to post at Teahouse, a place for new users to ask questions and seek guidance over the basics of Wikipedia. I can also recommend that you post at various applicable WikiProjects such as WikiProject Gender Studies or a WikiProject devoted to the country you're writing about. WikiProjects are groups of people devoted to writing about a specific subject matter, so in many cases they're familiar with writing styles, source locations, and the like. If anyone wants, you can also ask for someone to "adopt" you and basically guide you along the editing process. You can find this at Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area. Hope this helps!

Oh- a side note! I would like to ask that you all read over our editing policies at WP:NPOV and WP:WBA, as a common pitfall is to write an article that reads beautifully but comes across as being slanted in one specific direction or another. I know that this was something I did a lot when I first started editing and since your class is devoted to a subject topic that can be very sensitive, you should try very, very hard to write in a neutral manner. This is not always easy to do, but just be careful since people can get very sensitive on here. I think that's about it. Offhand I don't see anything that looks too bad, this is more just a side note because anything gender related can get somewhat tricky on here. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   10:01, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Uneditable?
I tried to go into edit for the "Summary and students" section to see what these strange "remove article" links are all about and I cannot find a way to do it. Who's weird design is it for this page? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:12, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * See my response on your talk page. BerikG (talk) 15:42, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Course requirement
See this message from on my user talk page. I would hate to think that Yangtana might lose course credits because of our actions but I have to say that I would firmly reject her submission as a "fork", ie. duplication of existing material. What was her brief? "Write an article about gender imbalance in China" - if it was that then it was a thoroughly reprehensible brief. If the brief was "review existing coverage of the topic and improve as you feel appropriate", then she has not met that brief. I fear that the first of these was the case and I would very much like to hear from Yangtana's professor. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:00, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The course instructor is listed as, who I would also ask to take a look at this thread, which provides further background to the above comment. ► Philg88 ◄ ♦talk 13:33, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The students' brief was the latter and she has met her brief in a satisfactory manner. She had to identify a gap on Wikipedia and either revise an existing article or write a new one. There were previous steps before this final one moving of the article from the sandbox to the main namespace (e.g. first, they identified the topic and explained the gap; second, wrote a proposal justifying the contribution). She has done the work and has responded to your and Philg88's feedback in the last few week. (As an aside, she will not lose points in the event that you prevent her article from moving out of the sandbox; in any case, that should not be a concern for Wikipedia editors.) Re: title of the article--Let me also affirm that there is a large body of scholarship on "Missing women" (you can verify by checking Google Scholar). So, once she moves the article out of the sandbox, she will simply do a redirect from "Gender imbalance in China" to help anyone who is looking for those key words. BerikG (talk) 15:55, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for swift the reply . I don't mean to sound obstructive, but this isn't a matter of "she will simply do a redirect from 'Gender imbalance in China' to help anyone who is looking for those key words". Wikipedia has policies and guidelines that need to be followed. Yangtana's article overlaps the China section of Sex-selective abortion and is arguably a subsection of Missing women of Asia. What we are trying to avoid here is the creation of what's known in Wikipedia speak as a "Content Fork", which involves multiple separate articles all treating the same subject. This leads to redundant or conflicting articles that don't help readers. I'm going to ask u|Tokyogirl79 for input based on her helpful comments in the thread above. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ ♦talk 16:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * "simply a redirect" is my understanding of what suggested in her last email on this topic (because for a while there was a back and forth insistence on changing the title of Yangtana's article).  I am aware that those two topics you mention overlap with this article but that is why there is room to create her article and to link to these other articles: Sex selective abortion is not the only reason for missing women, and China deserves a treatment of its own, otherwise the Missing women of Asia article will be massive, not to mention requiring a complete rewrite. Thanks. BerikG (talk) 20:59, 17 April 2014 (UTC)