Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/S&M (song)/archive2

Discussion of MF's review

 * Well it looks like the article has failed FAC already, so you might as well just close it now as it clearly isn't going to be promoted even with these fixes. And saying I need to find a good copyeditor isn't helpful, I don't know who I am going to get when I submit for GOCE reviewing nor do I know if they are 'good'. I've had so many people tell me conflicting things about how to improve this article I don't know who to believe or what to do. I'm done with trying to promote this article. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  15:57, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not for me to close anything, but surely even you can see that there's something badly wrong with "giving Rihanna her the tenth number-one single in the US" for instance? You don't need to be any kind of super copyeditor, you just need to read the text, carefully. Malleus Fatuorum 16:29, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Course I can see it, but it wasn't like that before the GOCE. I feel like reverting to the revision before the editor who was mean't to "improve" the article, as a lot of info has been cut from the article as a result. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  16:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was like that before the GOCE. Malleus Fatuorum 17:01, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If you're not even going to try and fix the obvious problems then this nomination ought to be withdrawn now. Malleus Fatuorum 22:54, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think people involved with FAC forget that editors have a real life and aren't on Wikipedia for every waking moment of the day. Of course I will do them, I'm hardly a person to not bother, if you had of looked at the previous review then you would see that, but it will have to be tomorrow. This is not something to be rushed, and it is now 12:20am. People on the FAC board should remember that editors are not on Wikipedia constantly, and have other things to do in real life. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  23:17, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that nominators forget that we're all volunteers, and they expect reviewers to fix their articles for them. Malleus Fatuorum 23:21, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That's up to you if you want to take it upon yourself to edit S&M, I never asked you to, so don't come here telling me how "I'm not bothering", when believe me, I am very hardworking on here, in fact yesterday, I reviewd 8 GANs. I don't expect anyone to do anything on behalf of me on here, in fact, I find it rather annoying. If you had of looked on my User page, you would have seen that. And again, if you would looked on the first FAC archive for S&M, you would see I, and only I, carried out the fixes. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  23:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * This discussion is unlikely to end up in a good place. In my opinion the article is poorly written and you have chosen to place the blame on everyone but yourself. My oppose stands until you get it looked at by a decent copyeditor. Malleus Fatuorum 23:38, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * BTW, I'm rather astonished that you managed to review eight GANs in one day; rest assured that I'll be checking your reviews. Malleus Fatuorum 23:41, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * When I have blamed everyone but me? I included myself in the list of people who have been involved with it above, another thing you haven't looked up. You said yourself the person from GOCE has done a bad job on multiple counts in your review above. And yes, there is a backlog in GANs, so I did what I thought would be the best thing to do and help lower the backlog count. Why are you getting personal against me and wanting to check everything I do? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  23:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * So which of the issues raised have you fixed? Do you intend to fix any of them? Malleus Fatuorum
 * What did I say earlier? I am going to do them tomorrow. I want to do them in one hit, not a few here and a few there. To be honest, I think you are being quite rude and sarcastic unnecessarily and for no reason. You clearly haven't take any notice of what I have written here in reply to you, and are focused on being rude instead. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  01:03, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Then let me be honest with you. I don't care what you think about my attitude, but until you sort out your prose I will be opposing this article's promotion. Malleus Fatuorum 01:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Which will be tomorrow, well, technically today now, as it is 2:20am. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  01:22, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think, if you listen to what you're being told, you might have a chance this time, but you need to work at it. Malleus Fatuorum 01:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Above moved from main review page. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)