Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/Weight Gain 4000/archive1

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 * Comments: Another excellent article from the SP WikiProject. Some comments:
 * Link to consumerism in the caption, please.
 * Done. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  03:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You should mention that Mr. Hand is a hand puppet.
 * Done. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  03:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "After South Park pilot episode "Cartman Gets an Anal Probe" drew poor test audience results[...]" -> I believe you mean the pilot episode.
 * Right you are. Fixed that. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  03:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "[...]celebratory event, and Mr. Garrison[...]" -> "event and Mr. Garrison"
 * Ok. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  03:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you need to entitled the official website as the url in ref 2? The whole "www" thing just seems over much, as pointed out in Home Movies. ;)
 * I change it to "South Park Studios (Official)", which is actually consistent with other refs in the article. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  03:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "[...]distinctive voices, and Parker and Stone[...]" -> "voices and Parker"
 * Ok. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  03:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "[...]characters featured, and Parker and Stone[...]" -> "featured and Parker"
 * I broke this one into two different sentences. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  03:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you move the image in "Cultural references and impact" to the top of the section - or the middle - since it's hanging into the reception section.
 * I agree it looks weird at the bottom, but since that was the paragraph where the Popemobile was mentioned, I thought it belonged there. I also didn't think simply moving that paragraph up was the answer because it messed up the flow of the section. For now I've moved the image up; let me know if you think that works. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  03:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that works - not sure if the alignment fits with WP:MOS, but not a big deal.  The Flash  {talk} 21:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Walden is already wikilinked in the plot, so remove from "Cultural..." section
 * Dropped that wikilink as well as Henry David Thoreau, which was also linked in the Plot section. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  03:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That's all. Awesome work, again.  The Flash  {talk} 01:22, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support: All my issues have been taken care of and I believe this article graciously passes any and all FAC criteria.  The Flash  {talk} 21:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

The lead looks pretty good. The Plot section is very choppy and doesn't flow, though. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 20:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

It's also repetitive. Two "plots", "meanwhiles", and "arives". Probably some others, too. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 20:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll take another crack at it either tonight or tomorrow... Alright, I've tried rewriting it a bit to improve the flow. Is that better? If not, any specific feedback I could get on future improvements would be appreciated... —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  19:55, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it's still kind of choppy. I realized I don't know what causes choppiness, so I looked it up here.  It turns out it's a lack of variety in sentence structure (who knew?, not I).  Anyways, I made a small c/e, but before that, the first paragraph's sentences started: "Mr. Garrison announces...", "The rest of the town becomes...", "Mayor McDaniels plans...", "Chef, who is asked to sing...", "Mr. Garrison directs...", "Mayor McDaniels is horrified...".  Not enough variety. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 00:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Since your comment wasn't stricken, I wasn't sure if you were satisfied with the plot summary now that you've copy edited it. So just in case, I made another CE attempt to break up some of the short sentences and hopefully dispel the choppiness. Let me know what you think... —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  04:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It flows well now. Good job. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 01:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * "However, when Internet buzz began to generate about "The Spirit of Christmas"" sounds funny.
 * Reworded. Better? —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  04:07, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "created completely using computers.[4] The episode was created" repetitive.
 * Changed the first created. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  04:19, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "episode" is used 14 times in the production section.
 * Dropped or reworded several of them. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  04:19, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "The episode was created over the course of a little over a month" unneeded words?
 * Changed to "in a little over a month". —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  04:19, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "which would be used for many other subsequent episodes." -> "used in subsequent"?
 * Done. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  04:19, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "South Park episodes would be created within a week of the its broadcast and require about 40 animators." - c/e
 * Better now? —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  04:19, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll stop there for now. The writing is better in the production section that in the plot section, but I have a feeling you may want to look for little grammar problems and repetitive words going on down from my last comment.  If you do a copy edit, give me a diff so I can see what you've done.  Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 06:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I've made some copy edits here. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  04:19, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * That's a bit better. The word "episode" is still used a lot, especially in "Release and reception".  "Parker and Stone" is also used a lot.  "particularly" is used repetitively in "Production".  I don't know what browser you use, but in mine, I search for the word, and it highlights all its uses.  It makes it easy to see which paragraphs have tons of instances.
 * "The pace was slower than that of future episodes and the script itself was shorter at 30 pages, compared to a later average of 45 to 50 pages. The children characters also spoke much more slowly than they would in the future. Voice actors read the lines slowly and the dialogue was sped up later to create the characters' distinctive voices and Parker and Stone said they had still not mastered the pace at which they needed to speak." is awkward in several ways.
 * The word "characters" is used three times at the beginning of the first paragraph of "Cultural references and impact", and four times in the paragraph before that.
 * Basically, the article still needs more copyediting. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, in addition to the specific items you've suggested, I just went through and did a fairly good-sized copy edit that I think takes care of a number of grammatical concerns, including the overuse of certain phrases you've identified (Parker and Stone, episode, characters, particuarly). I'm hoping that between this and the rest of the comments, we will be able to resolve any copy edit problems by the end of the FAC review, especially considering this has already been posted for a peer review before I nominated it here. Let me know what you think... —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  00:30, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm reading "Cultural references and impact" and making comments at this point. I'm also trying to do a bit of the c/e'ing since this is such a nice article.  If it takes me more than a few seconds to fix it, I'll just list it here and move on.
 * "mention of Jesus and Pals, the public access television talk show hosted by Jesus Christ. The fictional show is mentioned"
 * I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what the problem is with this part? —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  15:16, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "never again featured in South Park" - Is this important? If it is, its sentence and the following sentence need their flow worked on.
 * I guess it isn't. I dropped that bit and just kept the fact that it was based on the Texas Book Depository. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  15:16, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ""Weight Gain 4000" was the first of many times a celebrity was spoofed in a South Park episode, in its portrayal of Kathie Lee Gifford, then a television hostess on the morning talk show Live with Regis and Kathie Lee." - Sounds funny.
 * I reworded it a bit. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  15:16, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "popular catchphrase following the episode's broadcast.[8][9] T-shirts and sweatshirts with Cartman shouting the line became very popular"
 * It looks like you've already tweaked this one yourself? —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  15:16, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be nice to have a summary sentence for the paragraph that begins "The line "Beefcake", which Eric Cartman enthusiastically screams". Otherwise, it kind of reads like a list smooshed into a paragraph.  The paragraph that begins "In "Weight Gain 4000", Cartman wins an essay contest" has the same problem.  It will be harder to find a common thread to summarize than the previous, but do the best you can.
 * I added a summary sentence to the last paragraph. The thing is, I had kind of thought "The line 'Beefcake'...become very popular" sentence sort of was the summary sentence for the paragraph, since the rest of the paragraph addresses that line specifically. Could you maybe give me an idea of what kind of summary sentence would work there?
 * It's good that you changed "episode" to "Weight Gain 2000", but now that's used too many times. Maybe the two should be alternated back and forth.  South Park is used too many times as well.  Maybe alternate it with "the show" or something.  That takes care of that section.  Looking pretty good. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 04:28, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I dropped a few "WG4000"s, and managed to do so with only subbing in one more "episode", I think. lol —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  15:16, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, the issue with "mention of Jesus and Pals, the public access television talk show hosted by Jesus Christ. The fictional show is mentioned" and "popular catchphrase following the episode's broadcast.[8][9] T-shirts and sweatshirts with Cartman shouting the line became very popular" is the repetitive use of "mention" and "popular". - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 17:37, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh, gotcha. I think I've addressed it now. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  08:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, looking at the last section.
 * The para that begins "Anglican theologian Paul F. M. Zahl said Cartman's addiction to food in the episode" could use a summary lead sentence.
 * Done. —  Hunter  Kahn  ( c )  08:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)