Wikipedia talk:Files for deletion/2009 May 18

Deletion noms by
The below sections have been moved from Files for deletion/2009 May 18 until the discussion noted below is settled. - ALLST✰R &#09660; echo wuz here @ 08:54, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Note: WP:ANI discussion on deletions
Deletions below proposed by User:Damiens.rf are the subject of an Administrators' Noticeboard for Incidents discussion thread ANI. There has been some discussion that they are possibly disruptive but no consensus to remove them or box the sections below as yet. Interested parties are recommended to discuss meta-implications there and only comment on specific nominations below. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 06:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Cliff and Nina.jpg

 * File:Cliff and Nina.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free poster. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:11, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

A young Tad and Dixie kiss.jpg

 * File:A young Tad and Dixie kiss.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:12, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not decorative. Kiss between two fictional characters. Unless the reader knows what a young Tad and Dixie looked like, it does add to the article in a way that helps the reader understand that point in time.
 * Note: This user is on a crusade against almost any image I have uploaded, when most are perfectly valid within the realm of fictional characters. Flyer22 (talk) 22:46, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Dixie is back.jpg

 * File:Dixie is back.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free banner. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

A Wedding For Tad & Dixie!.jpg

 * File:A Wedding For Tad & Dixie!.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * We don't need to see this non-free magazine cover to understand the long-and-unnecessary non-free magazine quotations it's being used to decorate. Damiens .rf 20:14, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Jesse and Angie deeply in love.jpg

 * File:Jesse and Angie deeply in love.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Angie crying on Jesse's chest upon his death.jpg

 * File:Angie crying on Jesse's chest upon his death.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not decorative. Image depicts a significant moment between two fictional characters, backed up by critical commentary in the Cultural impact section.
 * Note: This user is on a crusade against almost any image I have uploaded, when most are perfectly valid within the realm of fictional characters. Flyer22 (talk) 22:43, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Jesse and Angie, Soap Opera Digest magazine, January 3, 1984.jpg

 * File:Jesse and Angie, Soap Opera Digest magazine, January 3, 1984.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free magazine cover. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Maria's tombstone.jpg

 * File:Maria's tombstone.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not decorative. Image is used as a reference for the dates of the birth and death of a fictional character.
 * Note: This user is on a crusade against almost any image I have uploaded, when most are perfectly valid within the realm of fictional characters. Flyer22 (talk) 22:40, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

DEtriangle1.jpg

 * File:DEtriangle1.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Rocksey ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free poster. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Edwedding3.jpg

 * File:Edwedding3.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Rocksey ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Mag8082.jpg

 * File:Mag8082.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Rocksey ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free magazine cover. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Kendall in a coma (Main).JPG

 * File:Kendall in a coma (Main).JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:19, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Zach comes to battle his father, The Satin Slayer.jpg

 * File:Zach comes to battle his father, The Satin Slayer.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:19, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

AMC finally gives fans the story that they want. (Main).JPG

 * File:AMC finally gives fans the story that they want. (Main).JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free magazine cover. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:19, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Bianca first meeting Maggie.jpg

 * File:Bianca first meeting Maggie.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:20, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not decorative. Unless the reader can envision their first meeting, then it does add to the article.
 * Note: This user is on a crusade against almost any image I have uploaded, when most are perfectly valid within the realm of fictional characters. Flyer22 (talk) 22:30, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Maggie and Bianca (D).jpg

 * File:Maggie and Bianca (D).jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:20, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not decorative. Significant first kiss between two fictional characters, noted within the article, and not otherwise conveyed through text alone.
 * Note: This user is on a crusade against almost any image I have uploaded, when most are perfectly valid within the realm of fictional characters. Flyer22 (talk) 22:33, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

SIDcover-bam.jpg

 * File:SIDcover-bam.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free crop of magazine cover. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:21, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not decorative. The specific imagery is noted within the article. Unless the text can convey exactly what it means by that image cover, it does add to the article in a way that helps the reader understand the point.
 * Note: This user is on a crusade against almost any image I have uploaded, when most are perfectly valid within the realm of fictional characters. Flyer22 (talk) 22:36, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Luke and Noah fall into each other during tug of war.jpg

 * File:Luke and Noah fall into each other during tug of war.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Luke and Noah love story.jpg

 * File:Luke and Noah love story.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free magazine scan. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Famous Luke and Noah kiss.jpg

 * File:Famous Luke and Noah kiss.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not at all decorative. This kiss is the subject of much criticism and controversy, very much noted within the article. The imagery of these two kissing became famous and was reported within several valid and world-wide sources. It is also placed in a section in which discusses the kiss. This imagery is not conveyed through text alone, and does enhance the reader's understanding of this very much-publicized kiss.
 * Note: This user is on a crusade against almost any image I have uploaded, when most are perfectly valid within the realm of fictional characters. Flyer22 (talk) 22:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. The picture is of a critical moment which is discussed at length in the article; in my opinion, the section would be incomplete without an image of this kiss. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:48, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Time-SoapOperas-1976.jpg

 * File:Time-SoapOperas-1976.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by TAnthony ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * A non-free magazine cover for a cover that is not discussed on Soap Opera and is barely mentioned in Doug Williams and Julie Olson. Fails WP:NFCC. Damiens .rf 20:28, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

John and Marlena SOD.jpg

 * File:John and Marlena SOD.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Rocksey ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free magazine cover. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:29, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Lnlwedding.jpg

 * File:Lnlwedding.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Tarheel44 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * This non-free image is decorative in Luke and Laura Spencer and there are free alternatives available for Supercouple. Damiens .rf 20:31, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The fact is...it is not decorative in the Supercouple article, in which it is used as the main image. This is the couple who started the term supercouple, which is very much sourced and commented on within the article. There is no free alternative image to use for this couple at their wedding (which started the initial supercouple era), and using any other couple as the lead (intro) image in the article simply because that image is free would be ludicrous. A free image of a celebrity supercouple as the lead image will not do, when taken into consideration that celebrity supercouples did not define the term and came after soap opera supercouples (at least when referencing the term supercouple).
 * If the image has no significant purpose in the Luke Spencer and Laura Webber article, then remove it from there. But it has huge significance in the Supercouple article.
 * Note: This user is on a crusade against almost any image I have uploaded, when most are perfectly valid within the realm of fictional characters. Flyer22 (talk) 23:12, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

RobinandPatrickDrake2.jpg

 * File:RobinandPatrickDrake2.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Mikeslikb ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free poster. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:36, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Craig and John Paul airport-goodbye in 2007.jpg

 * File:Craig and John Paul airport-goodbye in 2007.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:37, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not decorative. Significant moment of the two characters saying goodbye at an airport, noted within the article. Flyer22 (talk) 22:07, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Also not a screenshot so much as a fan taken photo (hence crew/equipment visible), so it may be not "non-free".86.162.108.112 (talk) 23:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, then, on second thought, I am not against this image being deleted at all. Flyer22 (talk) 23:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

JPCraigBed.jpg

 * File:JPCraigBed.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by ThisIsAce ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:37, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Craig Dean returns.jpg

 * File:Craig Dean returns.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:37, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

GaskillandHersheyLocationshoot.jpg

 * File:GaskillandHersheyLocationshoot.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Rocksey ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Rafe and Alison say goodbye.jpg

 * File:Rafe and Alison say goodbye.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Rocksey ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

ToddBlair-RHKD.jpg

 * File:ToddBlair-RHKD.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Tarheel44 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the articles. Damiens .rf 20:40, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Unless the reader can envision what Todd and Blair's wedding looked like, along with the fact that this was before Todd's plastic surgery, then it does add to the article and helps the reader in understanding that moment. Flyer22 (talk) 21:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Edencruz1986.jpg

 * File:Edencruz1986.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Dmarex ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

MorrowCaseParisKiss.jpg

 * File:MorrowCaseParisKiss.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Rocksey ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free poster. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Nick and Sharon on the cover of Soap Opera Digest, July 16, 1996..jpg

 * File:Nick and Sharon on the cover of Soap Opera Digest, July 16, 1996..jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free magazine cover. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Leo and Greenlee undying love.jpg

 * File:Leo and Greenlee undying love.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Leo at Miller's Falls.jpg

 * File:Leo at Miller's Falls.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not decorative whatsoever. Unless the reader can actually picture what Miller's Falls looks like, it does add significantly to the article. The image is of a signficant moment of fictional character who has been led to his death, noted within the article. Image is absolutely valid.
 * Note: This user is on a crusade against almost any image I have uploaded, when most are perfectly valid within the realm of fictional characters. Flyer22 (talk) 21:50, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Leo and Greenlee Soap Opera Digest.jpg

 * File:Leo and Greenlee Soap Opera Digest.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free magazine cover. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

J.R. and Babe in a shack making love, their frustions wild. B (Main).JPG

 * File:J.R. and Babe in a shack making love, their frustions wild. B (Main).JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not decorative. This is an image of two fictional characters making love, which is not conveyed through text alone.
 * Note: This user is on a crusade against almost any image I have uploaded, when most are perfectly valid within the realm of fictional characters. Flyer22 (talk) 21:47, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

J.R. holds Krystal hostage, threatens her life (Main).JPG

 * File:J.R. holds Krystal hostage, threatens her life (Main).JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

J.R. heartbroken that Babe is (supposedly) dead (Main).JPG

 * File:J.R. heartbroken that Babe is (supposedly) dead (Main).JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not decorative. Image displays the expression of a fictional character upon believing that his wife is dead, noted within the article, which is not otherwise conveyed through text alone.
 * Note: This user is on a crusade against almost any image I have uploaded, when most are perfectly valid within the realm of fictional characters. Flyer22 (talk) 21:41, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

J.R. tells Babe from the moment he saw her, he knew he wanted to be a good man.jpg

 * File:J.R. tells Babe from the moment he saw her, he knew he wanted to be a good man.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

J.R. and Babe's Celebrity Wedding Exclusive (Main).JPG

 * File:J.R. and Babe's Celebrity Wedding Exclusive (Main).JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free magazine cover. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not decorative. Though magazine covers are mainly allowed for use only in an article about that magazine cover, this cover is noted within the article and cannot be conveyed through text alone.
 * Note: This user is on a crusade against almost any image I have uploaded, when most are perfectly valid within the realm of fictional characters. Flyer22 (talk) 21:44, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Ejsavessami.jpg

 * File:Ejsavessami.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by KellyAna ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:50, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

BradyDimeraPromo.jpg

 * File:BradyDimeraPromo.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Radiantbutterfly ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free banner. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:50, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

My Two Mommies.jpg

 * File:My Two Mommies.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Loveoandn ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Todd and Téa on Soap Opera Weekly cover.jpg

 * File:Todd and Téa on Soap Opera Weekly cover.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free magazine cover. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Normal 114788 6298 ful.jpg

 * File:Normal 114788 6298 ful.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Candyo32 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:53, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Todd and Téa have sex together for the first time.jpg

 * File:Todd and Téa have sex together for the first time.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Flyer22 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:53, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not decorative. It depicts a sexual encounter between two fictional characters, which is noted as significant and has critical commentary to back it up in the Téa Delgado Impact section. The imagery of these two having sex for the first time was rampant all over soap opera websites and within soap opera magazines due to its significance at the time.
 * Note: This user is on a crusade against almost any image I have uploaded, when most are perfectly valid within the realm of fictional characters. Flyer22 (talk) 21:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Daniel Romalotti and Lily Winters on their wedding day, March 24, 2006..jpg

 * File:Daniel Romalotti and Lily Winters on their wedding day, March 24, 2006..jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Carly Greene ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free screenshot. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:53, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Khalil and Graziadei on location.jpg

 * File:Khalil and Graziadei on location.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Rocksey ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Decorative non-free picture by some unidentified papparazzo. Helps nothing in understanding the article. Damiens .rf 20:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

SConstage-10.jpg

 * File:SConstage-10.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Kekkomereq4 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Recursive source and no evidence of PD. Damiens .rf 21:22, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * See here and here, I've found the source.Kekkomereq4 06:43, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

comments on the nominations of non-free images
I see a lot of nominations where the reason for keeping is "Good image. No reason for deletion", and then one user !voting keep for no reason, and another one saying to keep because of the editor making the argument I mention.

The nominator has already given a reason: non-compliance with WP:NFCC. These are all non-free images so non-compliance with that criteria is reason enough for deletion, independently of the image being good or bad. I fear that the closing admins might go and close all of them as keep because of headcount, instead of looking at whether they really comply with NFCC#8 (I also fear that downplaying of NFCC's importance might be a regular occurrence in IfD). The nominator of those images has made an argument that the images don't fit the criteria, and the burden of proof is in the people voting to keep to point out how the image complies with it. keep !votes with no argument of why it complies with NFCC are plain unhelpful and should be discounted by the closing admins as not based in actual policy. I would suggest those editors to change their !votes to add compelling arguments relevant to NFCC. --Enric Naval (talk) 22:41, 20 May 2009 (UTC)