Wikipedia talk:GLAM/Museum of Modern Art

Categories
I've filled out Category:Museum of Modern Art (also added a few interwikis there) and Category:Collection of the Museum of Modern Art a bit with new members, and also created and populated Category:People associated with the Museum of Modern Art. I guess the next stage would be to develop subcategories by medium for the collection, figure out how to include things like films and architecture, and also start creating lists of artworks that we don't have articles for yet.--Pharos (talk) 19:25, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Now also started Category:Museum of Modern Art exhibitions, which surprisingly enough, seems to be a Wikipedia first for any museum. Also got around to adding the wikiproject tag to all these articles with AWB.--Pharos (talk) 14:23, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I had some fun today creating Category:Industrial designs of the Museum of Modern Art (another museum category first!), and adding 40+ articles to it. I guess now we should start thinking about what sort of criteria to use in categorizing articles related the museum's film and architecture collections...--Pharos (talk) 01:59, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about the industrial design category. Unless only used where the prototype is held at MoMA, each of those objects can be held in dozens of design museums, which could lead to category clutter. Regarding architecture, there would probably be some exhibitions which were notable, and there could be a category for the directors of the MoMA architecture department, but otherwise a list of the architecture collections will be probably the best way to link all related articles together (something like List of works in MoMA Architecture Department). --Elekhh (talk) 06:28, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, for industrial designs it should be kept in mind that many, many of these articles already mentioned the MoMA affiliation in the intro as something enhancing basic notability, because of the Modern's historic place in the field; the ubiquitous phrase "this design is preserved in the permanent collection of the Museum of Modern Art" is de facto a badge of what is really the world's best-known Industrial design award.--Pharos (talk) 18:21, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Challenges
Campbell's Soup Cans is already FA. Ceoil 18:53, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, it was the only one that was FA before we started; maybe it should be this WikiProject's "model" article.--Pharos (talk) 22:34, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ceoil and I have been working on Les Demoiselles D'Avignon for a longtime - since around mid-December 2008...Modernist (talk) 22:45, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Vanna Venturi House model
The article Vanna Venturi House, which I mostly wrote and photographed, has a direct connections to MoMA. In particular they have a series of the architect's models (probably stored away) that would be very nice to put on the article page. See http://www.moma.org/collection/browse_results.php?criteria=O:AD:E:6132

They also published the architect's book Venturi, Robert (1977). Complexity and contradiction in architecture, 2nd edition. The Museum of Modern Art. pp. 132. ISBN 0870702823, 9780870702822 which was written as he built the house.

What I'd like ideally is: ability to upload the pictures of the models (are more photos available? in larger sizes?) complete with the metadata so I know what design date each represents. And any info or text that the museum has used in the display of these models.

This would lead to (at least) an illustrated section on the development of the house's design, which might be considered more broadly as the development of post-modern architecture. Thanks for any help.

Smallbones (talk) 01:55, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed it would be great to have more images of architecture models. Would be nice to see commons:Category:Architectural models in the Museum of Modern Art filling in :) --Elekhh (talk) 22:03, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I've shared the Vanna Venturi House request with the folks at MoMA (they were happy to hear your interest!), and from there we'll send it on to the right department. Of course, more work on architectural models and plans, and figuring out how to work with these systematically, would be most wonderful for advancing future efforts in the architectural field.--Pharos (talk) 17:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The starting question is about copyright. The Venturi models are tagged (c) Robert Venturi. So is MoMA at all in a position to release images of them under a free license? Than I see that even images of works by Paul Klee which are in the public domain since 1 January this year are still tagged at MoMA as copyrighted. --Elekhh (talk) 12:18, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Even if the Venturi models are copyrighted it's still useful to have a couple of example fair use images, and WikiProject Public art/Image guide might be a good guideline. On a side note, I do think they can be forgiven for not having a bot immediately update all the Paul Klee copyrights :P--Pharos (talk) 19:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I want a Wiki Social Group.
To Whom It might Concern:

I want a Wiki Social Group.

Sincerely, Leslie Ilsaisle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.98.10.28 (talk) 18:01, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * If you mean in-person social groups at the museum associated with this project, then please see GLAM/MoMA/Events.--Pharos (talk) 18:15, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Mega-lists
I've started List of works in Museum of Modern Art Department of Painting and Sculpture as both an encyclopedic list and a pointer for useful future article work. Feel free to improve it, and also to work on similar mega-lists for the other departments :)--Pharos (talk) 19:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * And you can easily create further articles like List of works in Museum of Modern Art Department of Photography, by careful extraction from the "highlights" of the online collection of a particular department, which would be for example |G%3AHO%3AE%3A1&page_number=1&template_id=10&sort_order=1 here for Photography--Pharos (talk) 15:22, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Are such lists suitable for article space? The list you've created says: This is a list of works in the Department of Painting and Sculpture collection of the Museum of Modern Art, and organized by decade of creation. / It includes works classified by the museum as "highlights" of its collection, or otherwise notable in the literature. So it's not a list of what MoMA says are highlights but rather such a list augmented in a way that's not clearly specified. (Who determines whether something is "notable in the literature", and how?) This seems pretty arbitrary to me. &para; This doesn't mean that such a list is worthless or useless -- it could be worthwhile as an indicator to editors (rather than encyclopedia users) of how much work, and what work, needs to be done. However, for this purpose it should instead be a subpage here. (Cf this list of Japanese photographers, with explicit selection criteria and rightly in project space rather than article space.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:04, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, in this case a list is incredibly useful to encyclopedia users, because it documents a collection of real objects in an actual physical space (unlike your other example), that many people will be interested in visiting in person.--Pharos (talk) 18:03, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Title
MoMA is quite specific, I'm not clear what GLAM signifies. WikiProject Museum of Modern Art is not specific, it is ambiguous and confusing and the assumption that anyone would understand it to refer to MoMA is rather blinkered. Opbeith (talk) 09:44, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, this institution is the original and still very much primary meaning of Museum of Modern Art, in the clear context of this particular field. As to "GLAM" (Galleries, Libraries, Archives & Museums), that's just meant for consistency with our sister initiatives at GLAM/Projects.--Pharos (talk) 15:09, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation of GLAM. Opbeith (talk) 06:21, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Member Categories
Hi. I'd sign up as a member, but I have no idea what member category to join. There are no descriptions of the different categories. --Trelawnie (talk) 00:16, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess you're probably one of us GLAM/MoMA/Members. You can also place User WP GLAM MoMA on your userpage to add the project member template there.--Pharos (talk) 01:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Modern art stubs
Please see my proposal for a modern art stubs classification at WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2011/June (this is intended not just for MoMA works, but rather for the whole field).--Pharos (talk) 18:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Tasks
I've now started GLAM/MoMA/Tasks as a project page to list things like requested articles for creation, and also to document the ongoing new articles etc of WikiProject members.--Pharos (talk) 19:56, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

DYKs for high-importance artworks
I think it might be useful to go through the WP:DYK process for some of the high-importance artworks that don't have articles yet, as the redlinks at GLAM/MoMA/Challenges. I've started with Object (Le Déjeuner en fourrure) (everyone's favorite furry teacup), and help improving that article would be great!--Pharos (talk) 00:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Good idea, that might attract more attention to the project. Unfortunately the very impressive image of "Le Déjeuner en fourrure" cannot be displayed on the front-page as is fair-use. But "Suprematist Composition: White on White" is PD so could be a higher-impact one. --Elekhh (talk) 05:36, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Removal of imagery
Please comment here and here  about the removal of valid important imagery from the Museum of Modern Art article...Modernist (talk) 01:29, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Event today
You can help out by following things at GLAM/MoMA/Events.--Pharos (talk) 16:58, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Opposition to page move?
Is there any opposition to moving these pages to reflect the full name of the organization (Museum of Modern Art)? I think abbreviations should be reserved for redirects, and that way (when browsing categories or project pages) readers know which institution is being referred to. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:30, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * MoMA redirects to Museum of Modern Art—it's well-known by this name. I don't think it suffers for not having the expanded title. And for what it's worth, all of the other GLAM projects also use acronyms. I say it's not worth changing. czar   &middot;   &middot;  05:24, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Imagery
Input appreciated here: regarding the placement of imagery...Modernist (talk) 12:36, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

New FL candidate
I have listed List of video games in the Museum of Modern Art as a FL candidate. This is my first attempt of raising something to featured status, so I hope it will go well. I have asked for feedback on the video games WikiProject, but seeing as this list is a high-importance article for this WikiProject, it seems natural to mention it here as well. Feel free to look it over if you have the time. ~ Mable ( chat ) 11:53, 21 October 2015 (UTC)


 * The list has just been promoted to Featured List, making it the second featured-class article in this Wikiproject, if I'm not mistaken ^_^ ~ Mable ( chat ) 15:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

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Floating Figure
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The Family of Man
I am in the process of researching the photographers who participated in Steichen's The Family of Man and filling in the redlinks in the list of photographers by creating articles on them. Is it appropriate that I add a WikiProject Museum of Modern Art tag on the Talk page of each? Also, I notice there is no WP entry for Grace M. Mayer who was Curator of Photography 1964-1968 and Curator of the Edward Steichen Archive 1968-1996 at MoMA. Is there one in the pipeline, or should I start one? Thank you-- Jamesmcardle(talk) 12:08, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

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Featured article candidates/Campbell's Soup Cans/archive2
Drop by at Featured article candidates/Campbell's Soup Cans/archive2. I'm trying to get this relisted at WP:FA. It is one of 17 paintings listed at vital articles level 4 and one of 10 contemporary art works listed at vital articles level 5.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:50, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Proper WP:VA listing
At Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Level/5, we are discussing the proper listing of, which is the famous first use of the as a logograph for the word love, leading to ubiquitous use of I ... in marketing materials worldwide. It got listed as a specific work of visual arts. I want to make sure that no one has a problem with moving it from specific works of art. If anyone has an opinion, drop a note there.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:21, 14 January 2024 (UTC)