Wikipedia talk:GLAM/WestCoastWPAL/2023

Other initiatives
FWIW, I've added an OSM location map to the Pounamu Pathway article (primarily because I wanted to try out how these maps work).  Schwede 66  09:52, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Upcoming DYK
Just so you know, there's a DYK scheduled for 23 June for Greymouth railway station.  Schwede 66  10:34, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Will note it on the postcard. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 23:45, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

French Wikipedia
Bonjour, I see that you frequently translate New Zealand topics for the French Wikipedia. For the next few weeks, we are focussing on the South Island's West Coast. You would be most welcome to join us if you wished!  Schwede 66  18:17, 20 June 2022 (UTC)


 * thank you schwede 66 for your answer.
 * The last sentence about the page sousthshore is useful and conclude well the présentation.
 * I will continue to release all the articles i have previously translate but the more difficult is to reed them again, correcting all mistake possible.
 * If you have some remark or comments to made, i am very interesting and i will focus me also ont the west coast.
 * soon, gladly Jgm18 (talk) 17:14, 21 June 2022 (UTC) jgm18


 * Bonjour, I don't know whether you've had a chance to translate any of the West Coast articles yet. But if I may make a suggestion:
 * translate Paparoa Track
 * produce French captions for this video (I'd be happy to help as I've worked out how to do that; you could do the translation and I can produce the file with timed text)
 * Nominate this at Le saviez-vous ? (which is the equivalent of our Did you know? or DYK)


 * The reason I'm suggesting that is because we had the video featured on the English main page as part of DYK and videos do phenomenally well; the vide was viewed 405,000 times while it was on the main page. Astonishing!  Schwede 66  00:16, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK suggestion

 * Did you know ... that the hiking track through the Pororari River Gorge has become part of New Zealand's newest Great Walk, the Paparoa Track (video shown)?

Can I suggest a double-DYK? I've already expanded the river article and all we'd have to do, over the next four or so days, is to also expand the Paparoa Track article. Prose size is currently 600 B so it's an easy undertaking.  Schwede 66  05:48, 27 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Maybe I wasn't clear; I was trying to encourage someone else to tackle the Paparoa Track. That hasn't happened. Never mind.  Schwede 66  03:09, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed this - have been focusing on pulling together an article for the Copland Track so easily could have reprioritised. Turnagra (talk) 04:16, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I missed this too: have been working on photos too much! —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 11:05, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Right, that's under control. Marshal and I have nicely expanded the Paparoa Track article. It's looking quite good. I reckon that Pike29 could have its own article.

But coming back to DYK, I would like to suggest that as far as impact goes, front page exposure cannot be beaten. To that end, can I encourage you to nominate articles that are eligible? Anything that is new and not a stub would make it, and expanded articles qualify once they are 5x as long. Articles that I've seen that would be great to have are Inland Pack Track (, but needs to be nominated pronto as it's now seven days old), Copland Track, Mount Te Kinga (Turnagra), Croesus Track (Marshelec). Can I give you a hand with the nomination process? Expansions are harder to spot; has anyone done one? , have you created significant content in the last seven days? It really is a simple process to get something onto the front page.  Schwede 66  08:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Happy to give a couple of DYK submissions a shot for my one - I'm thinking something about the Welcome Flat hut having to be moved almost as soon as it was built for the Copland Track article, but would also be open to ideas if anyone thinks there's another one that'd be better? Turnagra (talk) 08:48, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Punakaiki has been expanded substantially, but not quickly enough to qualify I think. I'm about to expand Lake Brunner quite a bit, and will be creating a new article about Kotuku, New Zealand, so they'll both qualify. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 10:18, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Get nominating. Alternative hooks can be sorting once it’s up. Say if you get stuck.  Schwede 66  10:37, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've nominated the Copland for a DYK with a couple hooks, couldn't think of anything hook-worthy for Mount Te Kinga though. Maybe inspiration will strike tomorrow! Turnagra (talk) 09:53, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Lake Brunner nominated. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 02:07, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Duplicate wikidata entries
I've noticed that a couple of the places in focus so far (Eastern Hohonu River and Arnold River) have double up entries on wikidata. While this would normally be fine and easy enough to merge, it seems that they also have duplicate articles on the Cebuano wikipedia, both of which seem to be bot-generated. Since I don't speak Cebuano and can't really engage over there, nor can we leave the article without a wikidata link, do we have a general approach on how we should resolve this? Turnagra (talk) 07:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * What I do is merge multiple river Wikidata items into one, break the Cebuano link, set coordinates etc properly, and hope that sorts it. I think we need to have a conversation about what to do about Cebuano Wikipedia-created Wikidata items; personally I think it's perfectly fine to leave the bogus articles without a Wikidata item. Sverker Johansson wrote the bot that created all those useless articles with incorrect coordinates; by 2018 bot creation was banned in ceb Wikipedia, and the ones he created in Swedish Wikipedia are being deleted at the rate of about 5000 a day. This will presumably happen in Cebuano too. I presume they've stopped the automatic creation of Wikidata items for bot-created Cebuano articles—I don't think the ones I merged a couple of years ago have popped back into existence. I don't know where this conversation is happening, but it would be interesting to catch up with it. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 09:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That's useful to know the context, thank you! I did wonder whether it was just better to break the link, especially one like those where everything is on the one wikidata except for the Cebuano article with coordinate-disambiguation. I'll set about it when I get a chance, unless someone ends up beating me to it. Turnagra (talk) 09:30, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Waitakere or Nile River
I'm keen to give this article a crack if no-one else is doing it already, but I just wanted to confirm what name we should go with. Do I keep it with the 'or' or treat it as a dual name and use a spaced slash instead per the naming conventions? I was also going to ask about a macron given most uses of Waitākere up north have the macron over the 2nd a (eg. Waitākere Ranges) but it seems that even Ngāi Tahu's atlas doesn't use one, so we probably shouldn't in this case either. Turnagra (talk) 19:32, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We probably shouldn't then, even thought it might well get one when it goes through the official naming process. We don't need to use the awkward "Waitakere or Nile River" because it's not an official name, and it probably breaks Wikipedia guidelines. Since the river doesn't yet have an official dual name, bestowing something that looks like one on it would be inappropriate. So I think we should go with "Nile River (New Zealand)" for disambiguation purposes, and call it the "Nile or Waitakere River" in the lead. Thoughts? —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 02:04, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Happy to go with the consensus but I'd prefer to avoid unnecessary disambiguation if we can, especially since dual names have been used as a natural form of disambig on a fair few other articles and there are plenty of places which only have the unofficial name recorded and are at the dual title. Plus it seems that the slash form is used in some places anyway, as well as random other forms. Turnagra (talk) 02:35, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In my view, since we need to disambiguate, I would prefer the use of a dual name. That way, we aren't giving preference to one of the names. A spaced slash is appropriate for dual names. I always prefer dual names over "(New Zealand)" disambiguation.  Schwede 66  03:32, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

National parks
It's been noted a few times that most of our NP articles are below par. I've posted something about it at New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board. Please discuss there if you have any thoughts.  Schwede 66  00:48, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Links for the Waitangiroto Nature Reserve
I will have a bash at this article first, and hopefully will accompany a tour group visiting the colony and get a photo donation organised. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 13:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.birdsnz.org.nz/publications/long-term-monitoring-of-a-breeding-colony-of-white-herons-egretta-alba-on-the-waitangiroto-river-south-westland-new-zealand/
 * https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/35458666.pdf
 * https://researcharchive.lincoln.ac.nz/items/5f6a9bed-a216-4bb9-beb7-844bdead4f2d
 * https://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/items/add57873-fcc1-47b3-bd81-19dc1b6d4e57
 * https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03014223.1998.9517579
 * https://www.doc.govt.nz/globalassets/documents/science-and-technical/casn240.pdf
 * https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10871200009359176 (key reference, paywalled)
 * https://teara.govt.nz/en/herons/page-1
 * https://www.birdsnz.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Notornis_48_3_157.pdf (key reference)


 * If you do end up on a tour, could you try and get some photos of Ōkāritoiti / Lake Windermere (assuming the tour goes near there)? I'm happy to try and whip up an article for that lake, but it'd be good to get some images if possible. I briefly thought there were already some on commons, but it seems they're of Lake Windermeres overseas. Turnagra (talk) 18:58, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * There's no road or walking track to the lake; I could kayak 7 km from Ōkārito, but I can't go for a wander in the nature reserve without a permit unfortunately! My best bet might be if I run across someone from DOC or Ōkārito who's visited and photographed it. It's pretty remote. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 21:42, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That's all good, I wasn't sure where the tours went so it was just if you happened to be in the area! If you do manage to find someone with a picture that would be great, but no obligation of course - I'd try and find something too, but I've struggled a bit trying to get photos from elsewhere recently when trying to get some of the more remote fiords further south. I wonder if some of the Whites Aviation photos might have something? Turnagra (talk) 22:03, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I've just created an article for the reserve now. I've just seen this message now, so apologies if you wanted to make it yourself. My wording does seem to be a bit off, so if anyone could come in and copy edit, that'd be great. Panamitsu (talk) Please ping on reply 00:08, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Working on it now and adding more references, thank you! I'm chasing a couple of people who've visited and might be persuaded to release their photos under an open licence so we can illustrate it. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 21:42, 18 September 2023 (UTC)