Wikipedia talk:Huggle/Feedback/Archive 10

Forbidden?
Got the following when I attempted to log into Huggle: WebException: The remote server returned an error: (403) Forbidden. at System.Net.WebClient.DownloadFile(Uri address, String fileName) at System.Net.WebClient.DownloadFile(String address, String fileName) at Huggle.CaptchaForm.CaptchaForm_Load at Huggle.CaptchaForm._Lambda$__32(Object a0, EventArgs a1) at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e)  at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnCreateControl at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m)  at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)   at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)   at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Message& m)   at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WmShowWindow(Message& m)   at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)   at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

Any ideas? My firewall isn't blocking it or anything. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 14:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

The latest version
Seems to have a slight problem with the watchlist. 1. It does not remember settings when shutting down. 2. It adds about everything to the watchlist, if you want or not... --Say Headcheese!-- hexa Chord 2  22:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, I'm having this problem too. Jclemens (talk) 03:28, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's really strange, sometimes it will add only User Talk Pages to the Watchlist, sometimes all edited pages. A good way is to save the raw watchlist before using Huggle. --Say Headcheese!-- hexa Chord 2  17:42, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to alway happen when I try reverting an edit that has already been reverted, e.g. just now on February 9 where I provoked it: Pseudobot had already reverted, I tried it anyway, the logmessage said "Did not revert 'February 9': The content of the target revision is identical to that of the current revision", and sure enough it's on my watchlist now. -- Amalthea Talk 18:11, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, I can back up that theory. It adds all User Talk Pages and all articles, that have been reverted seconds before. --Say Headcheese!-- hexa Chord 2  23:28, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * When trying to undo recent (own) edits my 0.8.3 always crashes. --Say Headcheese!-- hexa Chord 2  18:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * For me this is a killer, I hope it gets fixed in the next version. Miguel.mateo (talk) 16:40, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, why is there no possibility to report bad usernames anymore?Merry Headcheese!- hexa Chord 2  02:32, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Error Copying Queues
In the Queue Management screen, attempted to copy "Filtered Edits" to "Queue 9", and got the following. Happens every time so far.

NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object. at Huggle.QueueForm.Copy_Click at Huggle.QueueForm._Lambda$__169(Object a0, EventArgs a1) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)   at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)    at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)   at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)    at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)    at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)    at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)    at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

Thanks! Arakunem Talk 22:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Have the same problem, also the queue options don't save between sessions. —Nn123645 (talk) 07:20, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Jeff G.'s problems with v0.8.3
at Huggle.Misc.FindString(String Source, String From, String To) at Huggle.Processing.ProcessRc(String Result) at Huggle.Requests.RcApiRequest.Done at Huggle.Requests.Request.ThreadDone at Huggle.Misc.CallbackInvoke(Object TargetObject)
 * 1. NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
 * 2. It also won't save my password like v0.8.2.
 * Oops, found, activated, and successfully tested the replacement capability (but now I can't share my huggle directory and its children any more)


 * 3. It eats gobs of RAM (over 230MB real and virtual at present).
 * 4. I missed the capability to limit the size of the queue (which seemed to help increase speed and reduce memory usage in past versions).
 * Oops, found it.

at Huggle.Processing.ProcessContribs(String Result, User User) at Huggle.Requests.ContribsRequest.Done at Huggle.Requests.Request.ThreadDone at Huggle.Misc.CallbackInvoke(Object TargetObject)
 * 5. It frequently gets "stuck" trying to "Show previous revision to this page [Z]", greying out the button, not showing the previous revision, and not displaying an error message. In these cases, I have confirmed that previous revisions do exist.
 * 6. NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
 * This has happened twice.

at Huggle.Misc.FindString(String Source, String From, String To) at Huggle.Processing.ProcessRc(String Result) at Huggle.Requests.RcApiRequest.Done at Huggle.Requests.Request.ThreadDone at Huggle.Misc.CallbackInvoke(Object TargetObject)
 * 7. The protection template syntax in this edit is wrong - I corrected it in a later edit.
 * 8. NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
 * This has happened twice.

at Huggle.Processing.ProcessEdit(Edit Edit) at Huggle.Irc.ProcessIrcEdit(Object EditObject)
 * 9. NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
 * This has happened twice.

at System.Windows.Forms.Control.MarshaledInvoke(Control caller, Delegate method, Object[] args, Boolean synchronous) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.Invoke(Delegate method, Object[] args) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.Invoke(Delegate method) at Huggle.UserInfoForm.RefreshData at Huggle.UserInfoForm.GotCount(RequestResult Result) at Huggle.Requests.Request.ThreadDone at Huggle.Misc.CallbackInvoke(Object TargetObject)
 * 10. InvalidOperationException: Invoke or BeginInvoke cannot be called on a control until the window handle has been created.
 * 11. ArgumentNullException: Value cannot be null.
 * Parameter name: key

at System.ThrowHelper.ThrowArgumentNullException(ExceptionArgument argument) at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2.FindEntry(TKey key) at Huggle.Processing.ProcessDiff(Edit Edit, String DiffText, BrowserTab Tab) at Huggle.Requests.DiffRequest.Done at Huggle.Requests.Request.ThreadDone at Huggle.Misc.CallbackInvoke(Object TargetObject)
 * 12. ArgumentNullException: Value cannot be null.
 * Parameter name: input

at System.Text.RegularExpressions.Regex.Matches(String input) at Huggle.Processing.ProcessHistory(String Result, Page Page) at Huggle.Requests.HistoryRequest.Done at Huggle.Requests.Request.ThreadDone at Huggle.Misc.CallbackInvoke(Object TargetObject) at Huggle.Misc.FormatPageHtml(Page Page, String Text) at Huggle.Requests.BrowserRequest.Done at Huggle.Requests.Request.ThreadDone at Huggle.Misc.CallbackInvoke(Object TargetObject) — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 11:00, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 13. NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.

Two concerns
1) Huggle is slow when moving onto the next article in the list: Is this due to the large amount of users using the program? Or is it because Wikipedia's servers are slow? (It's not me; my internet and computer are both relatively decent) 2) Is there a way for me to ignore specific articles/pages? I keep rv'ing people editing WP:SANDBOX and it's annoying because I have to stop and go and correct my error. Thanks in advance for any help, guys. Scarian Call me Pat!  22:27, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * As far as the speed goes, I've been using v0.7.12 this evening, and it's much more responsive than 0.8.3 here, though it has its own foibles of course. I guess the later versions are slower because of all the useful additions and checks that have been added to the program. Anyone fancy rewriting it as a multi-threaded application ;-) —S MALL  JIM   22:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I might try and switch back to that version then. Thanks Jim! Scarian Call me Pat!  00:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I've been having problems with 0.8.3 being rather slow as well when editing via my primary account. My laptop is fairly decent, with a 2.4 GHZ P4 in it. I have yet to try 0.7.12 on it, I'll have to try this out as well. UntilItSleeps PublicPC (talk) 20:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Watchlist problem with 0.8.3
Huggle version 0.8.3 is adding warnings to my watch list even though I do not have warnings checked in the Options/Editing/Add to Watch list window. The only items that I have checked to add to my watch list are the default settings of Block Notifications, Deletion Request Notifications, Deletion Discussion tags, Proposed Deletion tags and Speedy Deletion tags. Anyone else have this problem, or know how to fix? Thanks This had been previously reported, missed it.--Captain-tucker (talk) 15:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Not having that problem per se, but I am having unexpected huggle/watchlist interaction. I have it flagged as you do, but when I Speedy Tag something, it does not get added to my watch list. If I speedy-tag a page, and then click the Watch This Page button, it tells me it has removed the page from my list (as expected), but if I don't the page never gets added as it should... Arakunem Talk 02:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Huggle Crashing
Whenever my wireless network goes down, Like it does maybe every now and then, or whenever our portable phone is picked up (Our portable phone/base, and our wireless router both happen to operate at 2.4 GHZ, so they sometimes cause problems with each other), Huggle crashes irrecoverably, and I am forced to start it up again. Any way to fix this? UntilItSleeps PublicPC (talk) 21:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Filter for new pages of non-trusted users only
Hello, I am not a user from Huggle in the Spanish Wikipedia, but as far as I've understood it, it's possible to hide the changes done by trusted users (those in the white list), but it's not possible to filter for new pages (not displaying all other changes). In the Spanish wikipedia there is an organised patrolling project specialized in the monitoring and improvement of new pages only. If this tool would be able to display the pages created only by users not included in the whitelist, it would be a great help for us and tomorrow 10 more adicted users would be making good use of the tool. What do you think about this feature?, Poco a poco...¡adelante! 00:48, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * There's already that ability in 0.8.3. There's a pre-defined filter for New Pages, and you can modify it to only show edits from Anonymous users. Is this what you're looking for? Arakunem Talk 02:08, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello Arakunem, thanks for your answer, yes, to some extent. I am looking for showing the pages edited by all users but those in the "Whitelist". The IPs would be a subgroup of the whole group I am looking for. It is very easy to recognize IPs in Special:Newpages but the real help would be not to list the pages created by trusted users, Poco a poco...¡adelante! 22:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Queue not updating
The queue of recent changes doesn't seem to be updating properly. Since switching to 0.8.3, it seems that I often click on an entry in the queue only to find that one or sometimes two further revisions have already been done to the article. Obviously there's the real possibility of two users checking the same edit at the same time, but I get the real impression that the queue has gone "stale" and not been updated as quickly as it was in 0.8.2. Matt Deres (talk) 17:19, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sort of related issue. When I "skip" a "good" edit, it comes back into the queue after the 30 second timeout. Is there a way to say "Good" edit, don't bring it back (in addition to "Skip, because I don't know the subject")? -- Mjquin_id (talk) 21:31, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

CSD notifications
There's a discussion about making the CSD notices fit the "uw-" style user warnings at WT:UTM, which would be a good opportunity to unify the three different notices (manual, Twinkle, Huggle) we have a the moment. -- Amalthea 14:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No, it wouldn't. You'll note that Huggle's warnings are separate from the "uw-" warnings as well, with good reason -- Gurch (talk) 20:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Gurch, best I can tell Huggle will work with them perfectly well? The current notification templates are already placing the section headers themselves, so it seems to me that e.g. " $1 " could very easily be changed into " $1 ". Where do you see the problem? Or are you concerned that there might be frequent changes to the uw templates that can break the notifications Huggle leaves? A big warning in the template documentation should be enough to prevent most of those. The only thing in this change that concerns me with regards to huggle is that it might mistake CSD notifications as warnings due to these expressions from WarningSummaries.txt: w1	uw-[^ ]+1 w2	uw-[^ ]+2 w3	uw-[^ ]+3 w4	uw-[^ ]+4 But from what I understand those only change queue priorities and the icons used for a specific edit. Nonetheless, they could probably be changed to use the same syntax Processing.vb does: w1	uw-([a-z]*)1 Cheers, Amalthea  02:59, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Invalid token errors
Today I opened 0.8.3 and attempted to revert this edit. Huggle gave me a message that it did not revert the edit due to an "invalid token", which is a message I've seen before. So, I opened FF, went to the page, checked the history and reverted the edit using Twinkle (see here). Twinkle opened a blank user talkpage for me, but when I went to add the warning, I got a notice that a warning had been added in the last minute. I refreshed the talk page and there was my warning - care of Huggle! What the hell? Why would it refuse my reversion, then apply a warning concerning an edit it wouldn't let me make to the talkpage a minute later? I'm going back to 0.8.2; this is nuts. Matt Deres (talk) 23:57, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * 0.8.2 will likely do the same thing. This is a consequence of the way in which Huggle decides whether to issue warnings. Sometimes reverts appear to succeed even when they do not -- if two people revert the same page at the same time, the edit will only be attributed to one of them but it will appear to both that the edit was successful. (This is because MediaWiki doesn't bother complaining about an edit conflict if the two conflicting edits are identical, it just goes ahead and commits whichever one it got first). Obviously it is no good to have Huggle warning for reverts made by someone else. So it has no way of knowing whether it should warn or not based only on what it gets back when trying to make the edit -- it could incorrectly warn for a revert done by someone else at the exact same time. So instead, when you try to revert a page, it makes a note that you've done so, and then watches recent changes. If a revert on that page made by you shows up, it knows the revert succeeded and goes ahead with the warning. If no revert shows up, or one does show up but it is made by someone else, it knows something went wrong or you were beaten to the revert, and doesn't warn. What happened in your case was its own revert failed, but it then saw the Twinkle revert, and as that was also made by you, it assumed that was what it was waiting for and went ahead with the warning -- Gurch (talk) 03:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, so what's this invalid token error? I never saw it when I used 0.8.2. Thanks for the explanation, by the way, but I am going to shift back to see if my other problems persist. 0.8.3 sometimes (and sometimes doesn't) add users I warn and pages I revert to my watchlist, despite having that option unchecked and I'd swear the queue is not updating properly. Matt Deres (talk) 04:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Typo
I don't know if this is the right place to report this, but there is a typo in the first log, which I italicized: "2008-12-17 9:16:35 PM (+-6:00) -- Attempting connection to IRC recent changes feed; this make take a few moments..." &mdash;La Pianista  (T•C•S) 03:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Anyone may fix such things themselves -- 87.194.147.203 (talk) 05:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Help! Won't Run!
I just downloaded the latest version of Huggle and used it without problem yesterday, but today when i tried to login I got the following error:


 * Huggle has encountered a problem and has to close. Please contact microsoft...blah blah blah

What is wrong? Washburn mav (talk) 23:24, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Huggle is a badly-coded pile of junk, that's what's wrong--Gurch (talk) 06:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I know what, I had the same problem, don't click "run" click "save" and it should work.--Ipatrol (talk) 13:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you clarify Ipatrol? I have it saved to my computer and run it from there. I find that hard to believe Gurch this program has been nothing but impressive up till now. Washburn mav (talk) 19:07, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

no irc data für de:wp
Huggle version 0.8.3 says to be connected to IRC feed - but no input comes in the editlist. Change of IRC Channel does not work. Version 0.7.12 works here. Thank you for help, Conny (talk) 21:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC).

Connecting version 0.8.3 to en:wp feed works, but not the german one... Conny (talk) 09:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC).

Login Error
Attempt to log in, and get this-- Huggle is not enabled on your account, check user configuration page. Renaissancee (talk) 16:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * As the instructions at Huggle/Download say, add the text  to this page here; then it will start working. --Unpopular Opinion (talk) 16:54, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Help
I need some help - I'm having this problem (I reported once above) - I get this message when trying to start Huggle: "failed to load message files: no response." (See also: User:S h i v a (Visnu)/huggle.css) I only thing I can suggest is if my username format is unusual or that my huggle.css page is improperly set-up. Shiva <font color="blue" face="cursive">(Visnu)  17:24, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No, the problem seems to be that it's not getting a response when requesting the message files. Question 1: Do previous versions of huggle work? If not, Question 2: Do you have a firewall that could be blocking huggle? Calvin 1998 (t·c) 04:23, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it's happening when Huggle is on the background (I mean, when you have two programs running and you're working on the other program while Huggle is loading). Happened to me twice just now, and when I had Huggle on top instead of in the background, it worked fine. I'm not sure if this what is causing it, just a thought.  C h a m a l  talk 11:38, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Calvin - It works now that I downloaded the prior 8.2 version and disabled my firewall. <font color="orange" face="Verdana">Shiva <font color="blue" face="cursive">(Visnu)  16:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Stop button
Running Huggle 0.8.3 with Vista Ultimate. Every single time I have used the stop button to halt an action, the program hangs and I have to close and I have to restart. -- Kraftlos  (Talk | Contrib) 07:44, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Known issue. --Closedmouth (talk) 08:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Mark as Patrolled
Does Huggle automatically mark all pages that you review patrolled, or will we have to do that manually? Renaissancee (talk) 00:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You have to do it manually. Remember that it's only possible to patrol pages from the new page log, which only goes back one month, and most edits are to articles older than that -- Gurch (talk) 00:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Possible bug?
On 0.8.3, I mistakenly reverted a edit and warned an IP. So when I revert my edit using the revert this revision button, it warned the IP again. (I deleted both warnings though). Any reason why that happened? Inferno,  Lord of   Penguins  19:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * yes, it's broken -- Gurch (talk) 21:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

List builder
How exactly is the list builder working? It would be nice to include some words to the manual.--Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  05:35, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's just a graphical interface to the API queries that return lists of page. You put in what you want and it goes and fetches it for you -- Gurch (talk) 19:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, since I'm no computer nerd, let's try an example. I feed my watchlist and now have options like "combine" (doing nothing visible), "intesect" (also doing nothing visible) and "exclude" which somewhat alters something. Ehm, can this thingy do anything else than building up text files from different sources (e.g. watchlists), let's say make the software show changes to specific pages no matter what user made them? Because I would like to see all changes to my watchlist's pages when using the software. If there's another way to do this, fine. Thank you in advance. Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  19:54, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The list builder is for making lists of pages. These can be used for any purpose, but the specific purpose for which the feature is included in Huggle is so that such lists can be used in its revision queues.
 * The queues are basically sets of filters, of which restricting to a list of pages is only one. To create / modify queues, go to Queue -> Manage Queues...; there you can change these filters. In your case you would create a new queue, name it "watchlist" or something, then select "Live, fixed list" as the queue type (this tells it to show changes as they happen, and restrict them to a set of pages). Then you'd click the "Page list" tab, click "List builder", create a new list, select "Watchlist" as the source type, click Add, close the list builder, select the list you just created in the "list" dropdown box in the queues manager, then close that. Yes, this is very complicated. If you have a simpler way of presenting the interface, please share it with me.
 * "combine", "intersect" and "exclude" are only there when you already have items in a list. Combine will merge what's already in the list with the source you select, Intersect will remove any pages that aren't in the source you select, and Exclude will remove any that are. So if you have a list containing three pages, A, B and C, and you select as a source something that will return A and D, then "combine" will give you A, B, C, D; "intersect" will give you just A, and "exclude" will give you B and C. This lets you do things like create a list of all pages that are in one category but not another, or all pages that are in both of two categories, or all pages that are in either one category or another... and so on, replacing "category" with any of the other things it can use as a source -- 21:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, fine. But how do I combine the usual "filtered edits" I use for vandal fighting plus edits to pages on my watchlist? It looks like I only can have one, at leats with the 0.8.2 version (I don't use 0.8.3 anymore for the known issues). Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  22:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Edit the filtered edits queue, change queue type, then add the list. Or something. I can't remember off the top of my head -- Gurch (talk) 23:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Queue type only can be list based (live or fixed) or not list based (live), a combination seems not to be possible, but at least one can switch the queue presets. Thank you!Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  19:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Edit creep
Several times I have noticed an edit creep occur with vandalism whereby one vandal operates simultaneously from two IPs (or two independent vandals edit from different IPs.

Vandal 1 will make an edit adding say "The earth is flat", then vandal 2 will immediately make an edit saying e.g. "The earth is made of blue cheese."

The edit of vandal 2 will get reverted to the edit of vandal 1, and the edit of vandal 1 may not get looked at.

An example of this is here.

Just note when you are reverting an article, what you are reverting to, especially if you are reverting to an IP edit, or reverting to a revert from a different vandal. Martin <big style="color:#FB0">4 <big style="color:#F00">5 <big style="color:#F60">1  (talk) 02:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Huggle will warn you about this if the two IP addresses are in the same /16 range, or if it already knows that the author of the first edit was warned. Doing so for all IP addresses, though, would probably be rather irritating -- Gurch (talk) 13:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep, shouldn't be that a big problem. Just watch out and take care.Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  21:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Welcome template
I often use the welcome template when on Huggle and see a bot always substitutes them. Couldn't Huggle use subst:welcome instead?Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  21:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * it does when I try it Gurch (talk) 23:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Damn, you're right. ;-) Could swear it was different before...Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  00:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Page keeps getting stuck
Lets out aggravated sigh* I'm still having the same problem with the old huggles. Whenever I would try to move to a new page, I would be stuck on the same fucking page. Can someone tell me if this is normal or if it is not. If it is not normal, is there a way of fixing it? Please reply on my talk page. Thanks. Btw, sorry for my cussing, I do that a lot. Montgomery&#39; 39 (talk) 20:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it's such a good idea to tell you this (the devs will faint) but I've recently found if you click like a madman on the diff that won't load...well, it'll load. Hope that helps. --Closedmouth (talk) 06:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I heard that holding your breath and sending good thoughts also speeds it up. Seriously, if you just waited during the time it takes you to "click like a madman" it'll load just as quickly. The developers also won't sweat since Huggle will not fire additional requests for every mad click. You can open Menu–System–Requests, if you're interested, to see the requests Huggle sent, along with their statuses. To make this into a feature request, I think that the Next command (space) should just skip over the diffs that haven't been loaded yet. -- Amalthea 11:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * good idea but it would probably cause just as much confusion ("the top edit on the queue is vandalism but it won't show it to me!") and would have to be an option otherwise it wouldn't show anything at all if you turned off preloading -- Gurch (talk) 12:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

*Has computer rage fit*
For some reason, I'm having multiple problems with huggle. 1) sometimes nothing shows on the fucking page list 2) Huggle does not respond and 3) fucks up my computer 4) page gets stuck (mentioned above) 5)when I try to revert, nothing happens because 5a) it says that "the current revision is almost identical to the previous" or 5b) says that it's reverting but then some other bugger (sorry) zooms past leaving a clean page in their wake. Can someone help me?  Thanks.  Montgomery&#39; 39 (talk) 20:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)  P.S. Wikipedia is not censored so that means that I could curse my ass off (without ranting) on talk pages, right?


 * (1) what about the normal page list (2)(3) do you get an error message? (4) thought that was fixed in the most recent version (5a) I assume it's saying identical, not almost identical; obviously if there's no difference between the two revisions, it can't save because there is no change to save (5b)... er... yeah, that happens. Regardless of what you are using to make the edit. If an edit is bad it gets noticed. I don't really see how that's a problem -- Gurch (talk) 23:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

IRC feed
As of right now, I cannot connect to IRC feed, but API works. I have clicked the "Reconnect to IRC feed" multiple times, but the error message is "Unable to connect to IRC recent changes feed." I'm sure it's not about my connection, becauseI am actually editing this page right now. Can someone help me fix the problem? Thanks. Leujohn ( talk ) 12:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Huggle should fall back to using the API to get recent changes if it can't connect to the IRC recent changes feed (if Huggle is otherwise working, then it is doing so). There is no difference in functionality between the two, but for technical reasons the IRC feed is much more efficient for the task.


 * If it's not working, most likely you are behind a proxy or IRC connections are being blocked by a firewall. By default Huggle uses port 6667, this can be changed in the options somewhere. If it can't be made to work you can also disable it altogether in the options so it won't even try to connect -- Gurch (talk) 13:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Huggle is nearly a full-blown program, so is it licenced?
Unlike many user scripts, Huggle is a program in itself that is distributed off Wikipedia. Therefore noting gratis versus libre, is it under the GPL or LGPL?--Ipatrol (talk) 20:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The source code itself is public domain, however, it includes some pictures/icons which are LGPL. Calvin 1998 (t·c) 20:29, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * "nearly"? (anyway, yes, source code is public domain, images listed here are LGPL, all other files are public domain) -- Gurch (talk) 00:07, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I can't help but think it should be licenced rather than be PD where some company can take it, patent it, and charge us all for it.--Ipatrol (talk) 01:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That would be quite funny to see... Calvin 1998 (t·c) 02:29, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Anyone is free to modify or redistribute the software and charge for it. However, doing so wouldn't be much of a business model as it can be downloaded for free. Any patent on Huggle's functionality would obviously be invalidated by prior art. -- Gurch (talk) 10:29, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Huggle/Mono
I'm trying to get Huggle working with Ubuntu and Mono. Thanks to libgluezilla, which implements the Browser control with the mozilla libraries, this is not an impossibility. I'm having problems with the loaded pages trying to open in my external browser rather than the proper control though. Has anyone else got it working, and can I ask what setup you used? Pseudomonas(talk) 09:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Huggle just calls System.Diagnostics.Process.Start and passes the URL. On Windows, this means it is passed to shell hooks as if it was typed into the "Run" window, so it loads the URL in the user's default browser. Presumably on Linux, the result is the same as if it was entered at the command line, i.e. it doesn't work -- Gurch (talk) 12:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't mean when trying to view-in-external-browser, but when trying to show a diff in the main Huggle pane, it opens a browser tab in firefox instead. Maybe I'll have a fiddle with the huggle code and see if I can get it working - it'd be really nice to have it available again (I replaced my Windows machine with a Linux one a while back) Pseudomonas(talk) 14:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Auto login
Is there some way to make Huggle login automatically? —suriv (talk) 02:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not now. Why? Calvin 1998 (t·c) 03:55, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think this could end up being a bad idea due to security issues.  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:blue;">T alk /<sub style="color:blue;">C ont 10:33, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * well if it helps there is an option to make huggle remember your password.  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:blue;">T alk /<sub style="color:blue;">C ont 18:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Abuse
What is the correct response to a user who is misusing Huggle in a way that bites newbies? keeps a notice on his user page inviting vandalism to it, but when one user did Tresiden Huggled it with a final warning to the user's talk page. It's not a major transgression but when I tried to politely advise against this, he/she persistently reverted any attempt by me to address the issue. This seems somewhat over-defensive and concerningly opaque for someone who makes hundreds of edits a day with Huggle without additional justification. Sorry if this is not the place to ask this. Bigbluefish (talk) 01:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think someone should be inviting vandalism, and at the same time using Huggle to warn people when they do vandalise that page. Deliberately goading someone into an action so that they can be punished is as bad (or worse) than doing that vandalism yourself. I have no objection to someone using Huggle to revert vandalism to their talk page, it is vandalism or just a stupid message from someone already vandalising Wikipedia, but this case seems different, and a misuse of huggle. Martin 4 5 1  (talk) 02:12, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Windows 7
Though it's listed as a supported OS, I've had Huggle crash immediately after logging in ever since I installed Windows 7. Any suggestions? Thanks <b style="color:black;">Goodnight</b> mush <sup style="color:blue;">Talk  21:10, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Does Win 7 included v2 of the .NET framework by default? —<font face="Trebuchet MS"> Ree dy  21:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Windows 7 is not even released yet, of course it isn't supported (I've reverted whoever said it was) -- Gurch (talk) 23:17, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Should work fine though (with the correct Framework installed) —<font face="Trebuchet MS"> Ree dy  19:17, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

¿When do you relase 0.8.4 version?
I want to know that David0811 20:31, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * me too--Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  20:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably never -- Gurch (talk) 20:36, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * What about some fixes to 0.8.3 at least?--Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  21:08, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If it is wanted and i have tested it with less bugs than 0.8.3 i will release the next version in the next few days.It doesn't have many fixes but does have some :) (NOTE: i wont relase it i it doesn't work :P)  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:blue;">T alk /<sub style="color:blue;">C ont 22:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * YES YES YES! I'm still running 0.8.2 because of the many crashes and the watchlist bugs of 0.8.3. Plus, I'd like to use it on DE from time to time.--Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  23:21, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ please see download page.  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:blue;">T alk /<sub style="color:blue;">C ont 10:33, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Fine. Problem: I have 0.8.2 - 0.8.4 on my PC and can start 0.8.2 - 0.8.3 without problems. If I try to start 0.8.4 it just starts 0.8.2. It says 0.8.2 in the file itself, too. Error? --Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  10:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry try delete the version of 0.8.4 you have and re download it from the download page. I uploaded the wrong build first time round.  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:blue;">T alk /<sub style="color:blue;">C ont 11:00, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Still the same, even though Google says uploaded some minutes ago.--Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  11:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh noes!
I don't know if it's just me and my terrible connection, but is 0.8.4 slower than the earlier version in loading pages? The reverting seems to be faster though. And one more thing (big one, too)- the information about reverting are not shown on the section at the bottom, and huggle didn't issue warnings for the reverts even though I used "Q".  C h a m a l  talk 11:16, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Reverting works fine for me. There's still this watchlist problem though. And it crashed while trying to build lists--Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  11:36, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It works great for me... <em style="font-family:Copperplate Gothic Bold"> Little Mountain  5   19:09, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I love the way each version works differently for everyone :P  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:blue;">T alk /<sub style="color:blue;">C ont 19:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess everybody has a different OS? German XP Home with latest updates here.--Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  19:32, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Windows Xp Pro here :P  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:blue;">T alk /<sub style="color:blue;">C ont 15:02, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * English XP Home with latest updates. Although it works fine in XP Home for Hexachord, it's works terribly for me. Although I would have to see Hex's Huggle in action in order to know whether mine is better or worse.  Until It Sleeps PublicPC    17:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it is as fast as 82 or 83, it does show all info and it does post warnings. The only thing I really hate is this watchlist bug. I don't want to have 200 anon IPs in my watchlist after a big session - not to talk about 20 to 30 article pages which can't be thrown out that easy...--Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  17:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * On your computer, does it usually take a few seconds to load a diff? It does for me with all 0.8.x versions, and with 0.8.4, as mentioned below, it just flat out freezes for 10 seconds while loading a diff, compared to 0.7.12 which literally loads a diff of any reasonable size before I'm even done pressing the space-bar.  Until It Sleeps PublicPC    20:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I never used 7.12 so I don't know if it was faster. Actually 8.2/8.3/8.4 sometimes really freeze, but not that often. It gets damn slow if it has to revert several pages at the same time in heated moments. But it works.--Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  20:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I could compare using 0.7.12 over 8.4 to using a clean Windows XP installation over a Vista factory installation, loaded with all of the lovely stuff the vendors put onto it, on a laptop with only 1 gig of memory, in terms of the speed. In either case, by downgrading, you lose some features, but you would gain massive amounts of performance. Not to mention that some things in the upgrade are broken(As I can already see looking at this page).  Until It Sleeps PublicPC    20:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Slowest... version... ever... Please fix it! Please? Please please please?
This version of Huggle is the slowest version that I have encountered. Freezing while loading a diff on a computer with a 2.4 GHZ should be clarification enough. Also, it does not respond to my keyboard, takes forever to login, and a whole host of other problems arising from the poor performance.  Until It Sleeps   21:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'm gonna stick to 0.8.2 for now. :) –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  20:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I took that approach with 0.8.3. Fortunately, 0.8.4 is working very well for me. Leave  Sleaves  21:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Again its strange how each version works differently for each person :P  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:blue;">T alk /<sub style="color:blue;">C ont 22:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, even I think 8.2 is a little slow compared to 0.7.12. I'm gonna stick with 7.12 thank you. Gurch will have to pry it out of my hands before I switch to any other version(Figuratively speaking, of course).  Until It Sleeps   22:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Could turn o.7.12 off :P then you would switch :P But that would be pointless and anoying.  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:blue;">T alk /<sub style="color:blue;">C ont 22:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Interesting that you all moan at once how slow it is right when Wikipedia is having server slowness -- Gurch (talk) 00:01, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The post-0.7.12 versions are always slow regardless, I would like to see a new version with the new features that is as fast as 0.7.12 (if technically possible).--Res2216firestar 02:22, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I can understand if Huggle's working slow because of the Wikipedia server. But then why should that cause my PC to hang? Moreover, why does it affect only one version and not other? Leave  Sleaves  02:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Because that version has more for bugs to munch appon? Really the bigger it gets the slower it will be and the more bugs it will have. 0.7.12 was simple 0.8.4 has many features crammed in.  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:blue;">T alk /<sub style="color:blue;">C ont 07:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I know this sounds crazy but why not have 2 versions of Huggle? The one we have now, and a stripped-down version, both updated to work with any new features that Wikimedia crams into the wiki software? like, say, 8.5 full and 8.5 lite?  Until It Sleeps   13:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * More features does not necessarily mean slower or more buggy. I have been looking at a more object-oriented design with event-driven of handling these things that might be more stable and efficient if I ever wrote it --Gurch (talk) 13:40, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

(Outdent)Hmmm. I seem to have found something very intriguing. When I tried 8.4 out on one of my school's wireless networks, one which was very very weak and slow, it actually was able to load the diffs in a timely manner. I'll have to try it out at home, on both our wireless network, and our wired network, and see if that makes any discernible difference. When I used it before, I was on a wired network, so it might just like wireless better than wired for some reason. Or it could just be my ethernet wire going bad, who knows.  Until It Sleeps PublicPC    20:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Latency -- Gurch (talk) 20:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I must have critically bad latency issues then if Huggle freezes on my wired connection.  Until It Sleeps PublicPC    20:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It was, indeed, my Ethernet wire. I used a cable tester on it, and found that there was a break in one of the 8 wires. Likely caused by it being carelessly jammed in between my parent's home office door and door-frame, grossly exceeding the bend ratio of the cable itself. I have yet to test Huggle again on that connection though.


 * I've also had a chance to test it on Windows 7 beta, installed on my new tower(Just 10 minutes ago in fact). It works wonderfully on it, nice and fast. Not quite as fast as 0.7.12, but it's still fast enough for me.  Until It Sleeps   21:03, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

The new Huggle-opening message "STOP MAKING STUPID MISTAKES"
Shall we assume someone has found the place to insert this message?

It doesn't quite look standard. :) Proofreader77 (talk) 01:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

✅ Gurch did it. I fixed it. :) Proofreader77 (talk) 01:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Considering the number of relatively new Wikipedians making stupid Huggle mistakes, I'm not sure that the message wasn't warranted. Trusilver  01:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed. I added it after I found 3 stupid mistakes by 3 different people in 10 minutes. I take it you have all read it then? -- Gurch (talk) 08:54, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The message isn't very appropiate, but it is the account owner's responsibility to make sure they don't make stupid mistakes, and that they check their edits to make sure they have not made mistakes. If they make repeated mistakes, Huggle can and likely should be disabled for them.  Inferno,   Lord of   Penguins  22:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Immediate Warnings by mistake
Hi and thanks for the great tool. 0.8.4 seems to work with German Wikipedia! Therefore I try to enhance the config on the basis of the English config. But instead of warning4 it always posts warning4-im. Can you please have a look? Thanks and regards--77.11.59.162 (talk) 11:22, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Not sure what's causing that, I'll have a closer look when I have time. I note most of the templates there are transcluded from someone's user space. Does de.wikipedia have a system of warning levels already? If they don't, it might not be a good idea to start using one only in Huggle -- Gurch (talk) 13:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think there is a defined system of warning levels. Is it in en.wikipedia? Whereon do I have to pay attention? --77.11.59.162 (talk) 14:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes -- WP:Warnings. – ukexpat (talk) 14:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * thanks! --77.11.59.162 (talk) 15:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Huggle pt
The Huggle in portuguese stop, please help. Dédi&#39;s (talk) 16:28, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You have patrolling of all edits over there, don't you? -- Gurch (talk) 22:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

IFD Deletion Option
Would it be possible to list an image/file for deletion in Huggle's next version? It's currently not on the options available for deletion. <font color="4169E1">SF3 (talk!) 03:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Be very careful. I know Gurch knows the problems here, but as a refresher for the rest of you this is what happened the last time someone thought they could automate the tagging of problematic images. – <font color="#E45E05">iride <font color="#C1118C">scent  22:21, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well not quite the last time. OrphanBot and BJBot (author of this) are still very much active -- Gurch (talk) 22:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

The remote server returned an error: (503) Server Unavailable
eh? – xeno  ( talk ) 16:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It means the server is unavailable -- Gurch (talk) 20:14, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And how does one fix this error?, when the server, clearly, is available? – xeno  ( talk ) 20:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It wasn't available. You know those times you follow a link and for no reason get the teal screen of death, or the "Wikipedia has a problem" screen, or the request times out, or you get "cannot find server", or it sits there for ages without anything happening and eventually works, and then the next time you try the exact same thing it works fine. One of those. -- Gurch (talk) 22:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Help
See these discussions: The conversation was broken up between the two, so any feedback for me installing huggle is appreciated.-- Iamawesome800  Talk to Me   23:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * User talk:Inferno, Lord of Penguins (conversation started here)
 * User talk:Iamawesome800


 * You've already answered your own question; you need .NET 2.0 installed in order for it to work. There is link to download it on the download page -- Gurch (talk) 17:31, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Block trouble in es-wiki
There is a problem regarding the block options in the 0.8.4 version. As you can see here, IP adresses are always blocked without the "anon. only" and the "can't edit own talk page". Registered users, they are blocked with "autoblock dissabled" and "cannot edit own talk page". Could you please fix that?. Many thanks. Dferg T ES 15:56, 8 February 2009 (UTC) PD.: Could you please configure Huggle to report vandals to the @es AIV?. This will help us a lot. Thanks in advance Dferg T ES 15:56, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * according to the threads "Block parameters" and "“cannot edit own talk page” block option, autoblock disabled" I understood that setting "block: false" should fix it diff. But no, it is just a fix to disable blocking (it's still impossible to block and NOT protect the talk page). -- m:drini 17:11, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This is the same on all projects and there was meant to be a fix in the last version but it didn't work. I suggest you leave blocking disabled until it has been fixed.  ·Add§hore·  T alk T o M e ! 17:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The Error is caused by [this]  ·Add§hore·  T alk T o M e ! 17:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

The 417 error section
WHen I try to start huggle 0.8.4 it says "failed to locate configuration pages: you must be logged in and have a watchlist". I am logged and have a watchlist. This never happened in 0.8.3.--<font face="verdana"; font size="2"; font color="green">Patton <font face="verdana"; font size="2"; font color="green">t /<font face="verdana"; font size="2"; font color="green">c 15:53, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I get 417s currently with 0.8.2 to 0.8.4 - it simply does not let me login. Any help? -- Avant-garde a clue - hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  23:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Might as well add my voice to the issue of hitting a expectation failed error. Seems to be affecting few others right now. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  00:48, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And mine, as a brand new user. Tool ran immaculately for several days; now 417s every time I attempt a login.   Ka renjc 09:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Still the same.-- Avant-garde a clue - hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  12:51, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Same for me. I wanted to try Huggle, but it returns a 417 "expectation failed" error. I'm not sure if I'm doing something incorrectly (I've never used the application before), or if Huggle itself is faulty. I guess it's just back to Twinkle for me until I can resolve this :) Puchiko (Talk-email) 17:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Since yesterday I tried to use Huggle and a message appears: "Unable to log in". What's wrong?. Dferg T ES 22:50, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The Error is caused by [this]  ·Add§hore·  T alk T o M e ! 17:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Since yesterday evening, I always gets the notice "Der Remoteserver hat einen Fehler zurückgegeben: (417) Expectation failed". What is wrong? Can somebody help me? Thank you, your --Daniel 1992 (talk) 17:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You're not the first, seems to be affecting a few more people now. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  18:11, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yup, as I said above I get the very same error. I hope it gets fixed soon, I really wanted to check Huggle out. When I finally decide to, it breaks :( Must have cursed it ;) Puchiko (Talk-email) 19:25, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Lol Puchiko, it's not you, it's me. After years of sticking with manual patrolling I finally grab a tool and join the 21st century, and manage less than a week before I break it.  NB: don't bother uninstalling NET 2.0 and then reinstalling it and all its updates in the hope that this may fix it.  It doesn't, and it takes forever.   Ka renjc 20:54, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Same issue here starting today, and I've been using Huggle previously for a few months. The remote server returned an error: (417) Expectation failed.  --Aka042 (talk) 21:47, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm also experiencing the same error, message: The remote server returned an error: (417) Expectation failed. --     23:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Just a thought: Is there anybody who has NOT installed the latest XP update also having these problems?-- Avant-garde a clue - hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  23:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Same problem for me, I've got the message "Den eksterne serveren returnerte feilen (417) Expectation failed" (same message as above in Norwegian) since yesterday. I've installed the latest security fixes for Windows Vista. At 2009-02-13 I installed, and . Maybe one of them is causing the issue? Nsaa (talk) 09:12, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have not installed these updates yet however am still having the same problem. --Aka042 (talk) 16:14, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The Error is caused by [this]  ·Add§hore·  T alk T o M e ! 17:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Which can be worked around how?-- Avant-garde a clue - hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  18:21, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait for 0.8.5? It's not a widespread problem, others are still using Huggle well enough so it might be server-limited. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  18:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep it is server limmited. It depends on which squid servers you get routed through when connecting to the site. Its just huggle does something this squid / squids doesnt like. it should be removed in the next verson meaning it will work. Ill try to get onto it.  ·Add§hore·  T alk T o M e ! 18:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, please fix it soon. I'm having the same message and am going stir crazy - I am condemned to Lupin's tool until it gets fixed. :( <font face="Candara" color="black">Queenie <font face="Candara" color="black">Talk  19:51, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your explanation, Addshore. It is helpful to know that the problem isn't this end.  Will watch out for the next version; thanks in advance if you get it sorted.  As for its being down to something called a squid server, I always suspected Cthulhu or his minions were involved in the Web somewhere along the line...   Ka renjc 21:46, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thanks from my side too. Get it working again soon, please, cause I'm addicted. ;-) -- Avant-garde a clue - hexa Chord <sup style="color:#FFFF00;">2  21:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Glad to hear it's not at this end, do we have a timeframe for a fix? Oh and what's a 'squid server'? Paste  Let’s have a chat. 22:14, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ask and ye shall receive. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  22:22, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  00:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify. Does your explanation mean (a) that my connection may sometimes route through an uncooperative squid server and sometimes not, so it's worth keeping on trying Huggle just in case I get lucky, or (b) that some fundamental change has occurred within my ISP; my logon attempt will now inevitably route through their sullen, unhelpful squid and be rejected, and basically I'm stuffed for Huggle until the next version, which will mollify the squid instead of provoking it? I suspect the latter, but I thought I'd check.  Ka renjc 01:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Could be A or B :P  ·Add§hore·  T alk T o M e ! 08:12, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

(Outdent)I would like to point out that Huggle 0.7.12 works just fine for me.  Until It Sleeps   08:15, 16 February 2009 (U::TC)
 * 0.7.12 is dead to me. I mean in addition to 0.8.x versions not working either, not that I've cut it out of my life. It'll get everyone else eventually though. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  10:19, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Do the other versions work for you?  ·Add§hore·  T alk T o M e ! 08:21, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just another metoo here. Version 8.4 gives error 417, version 7.12 gives 'unable to login'. Sander123 (talk) 19:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Any predictions on when the 417 will be fixed? I was quite looking forward to trying huggle, only to get the 417 error message. An indication on how long it will take before a new version with a fix will be available would be appreciated. -- NathanoNL [ usr | msg |  log ]  23:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm having the same problem. I was looking forward to an afternoon Huggling but I guess it will have to wait. I will add my voice to those asking for a rough ETA for a fix. In the meantime I shall spend time proof-reading some articles. --bodnotbod (talk) 13:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

A workaround i have found is to route through a proxy. A ETA on the next version to fix this would be nice rather than using a workaround. Frozenevolution (talk) 02:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not much good to me, my ISP doesn't allow for the use of proxies and the open ones I could otherwise use are autoblocked, still logs in though but just can't do much but connect to the IRC feed and watch the vandalism fly by. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  10:30, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The fix is very easy -- it should be as little as adding  to the generic HTTP request (the equivalent change in PHP fixed my bot, which was broken by the same Squid update).  I know nothing about VB/Huggle development, though, so I have no idea how long this would take to implement.   [[Sam Korn ]] (smoddy) 14:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * In other words, this patch.  [[Sam Korn ]] (smoddy) 00:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I've been using Huggle on the es.wikipedia for a month or so now, but now whenever i try to log in, it says "The remote server returned an error: (417) Expectation failed."

Is there anything I can do to stop this happening?

Thanks, Bethan 182 (talk) 16:48, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not until an update is released or use a proxy. Hm, seems to be mostly affecting those in Europe based on some loose guesswork. Seems whomever goes through the Amsterdam squids (check for routes to 91.198.174.2) end up gabbing to the HTTP/1.1 speaking one and get 417'd. From what I know, it's hard to get Huggle to route to Tampa or Seoul squids if you're closer geographically to Amsterdam without using proxies. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  17:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that's the right idea. Look at the whitelist for de:WP. Nobody made an update for 7 days. The other whitelists for pt, no, ru... also have not updates (by users living in Europe). --Euku 23:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Whilst just one of many tools in combating the scourge it doesn't seem reasonable to have a tool rendered useless to several WPs across such a large area. Out of the developers hands but still a bit of an issue, I'm actually more concerned about consistent crashing and a broken cancel button which causes 80% of those crashes as I'm fairly sure there'll be a small .1 release soon and those problems won't be gone until 0.8.5. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  00:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

0.8.5, we need you! :)  Little  Mountain  5   16:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi there, Please see the download page for the new release. It should work, thank X  clamation point .  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e !  21:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

2009
Could we add a section about error codes? - Mjquin_id (talk) 03:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC) Example: The remote server returned an error: (417) Expectation failed.

Help
Where can I get help? I am trying to use the newest version, and can't get the about screen to go away so I can use Huggle.--Navy blue84 (talk) 01:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Keyboard shortcuts for non-vandalism revert reasons
Is there any way to enable the keyboard shortcut for the "unxplained removal of content" and "BLP vio" revert-and-warn sequence? 8.3 seems to have lost them somewhere. – <font color="#E45E05">iride <font color="#C1118C">scent  21:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * From what I've heard, they were removed. Kind of a weird thing to just disappear in a version.  I'd love to get these back, as having to reach over for my mouse to select non-vandalism reverts reduces my productivity.  Plus, just using a keyboard feels plain cool. tj9991 (talk | contribs) 09:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Huggle removing reports from AIV
See this diff. Huggle has removed an existing report from AIV when adding another. This seems counterproductive to me. DuncanHill (talk) 17:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not gonna be intentional. Could be WM. Rich Farmbrough, 17:09 22 January 2009 (UTC).

Error
When I download any of the setup files listed, (I have added the "enable:true" to my huggle.css page), and run the executable, I get an error saying "the application failed to initialize properly." Can anyone help?

P.S. I am savvy with computers.

astatine-210 discovered elements ∞ what am I? 23:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you have .NET 2.0 installed? Are you running Huggle in a location to which it has write access? -- Gurch (talk) 23:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...It does have write access (its my desktop lol), I forget hop to check if NET 2.0 is installed. astatine-210 discovered elements ∞ what am I? 23:31, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * * Computerized voice* Installing...now :P :D :) astatine-210 discovered elements ∞ what am I? 23:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

'Cancel'
Does the cancel function work at all? Every time I try to use it HG freezes and then dies. Also I just got an error message (although I get them quite frequently and varied): ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Value of '-1' is not valid for 'Value'. 'Value' should be between 'minimum' and 'maximum'. Parameter name: Value at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollBar.set_Value(Int32 value) at Huggle.Main.DrawQueues at Huggle.Processing.ProcessNewEdit(Edit Edit) at Huggle.Irc.ProcessIrcEdit(Object EditObject) -- Menti  fisto  21:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Also it seems that when two self-edits are reverted consecutively HG completely crashes. -- Menti  fisto  02:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That happens to me as well - every time. I'm on Windows Vista home version (or whatever version comes with a standard laptop) if that's relevant.   Doulos Christos   ♥ talk   18:57, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm on XP and actually I think it happens just when the revert button is used on an edit (warning) you made previously on a user talk page. Also, right now HG isn't working for me at all - keeps saying 417 expectation failed. -- Menti  fisto  16:43, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm getting that as well. (I'm just so agreeable in this thread).    Doulos Christos   ♥ talk   18:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Huggle 0.9.0 hangs up and and fills memory rapidly every time I use cancel. See screen shot here: http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/74/huggleproblem1.jpg <font color="#008080" face="courier new">Frosted<font color="#800080" face="courier new">14 17:54, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

This is a known issue with recent versions of Huggle. :(  Until It Sleeps PublicPC    20:28, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Slow
Hi, using the most recent version (.8.4?) and its really slow for me. I have to WHACK (I MEAN WHACK) the spacebar to change pages. Any help? -- Riotrocket8676  You gotta problem with that? 02:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I can only offer help for your keyboard: instead of WHACKing, try only tapping it once, gently. That will make Huggle change pages just as quickly, or slowly. -- Amalthea 13:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That's just loading slowly... it's your connection (ISP/your PC -> WP) that's at fault, but most probably means there's a load on the servers. -- Menti  fisto  16:45, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you tryed to preload diffs before see them?. Queue --> Manege queue --> Queue options --> Diffs --> Preload diffs when queue is active. I've changed that and it's no longer slow. Best regards. -- Dferg (w:en: - w:es:) 09:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Can't Log In
I've been using Huggle for a while, and just today I couldn't log in. I tried redownloading it and that didn't work as well.

The logon screen says

Any idea what's happening? <font face="Papyrus"><font color=#9966CC>- <font color=#7B68EE>down <font color=#9966CC>load <font color=#7B68EE>| <font color=#8A2BE2>sign!  19:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * By the way, I'm using 0.8.4. <font face="Papyrus"><font color=#9966CC>- <font color=#7B68EE>down <font color=#9966CC>load  <font color=#7B68EE>| <font color=#8A2BE2>sign!  19:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm having the same problem. I tried it with 0.7.12, 0.8.1, 0.8.2, 0.8.3, and 0.8.4. J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  19:21, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It started for me at yesterday at around 7:00 UTC after the server went down for a while... <font face="Papyrus"><font color=#9966CC>- <font color=#7B68EE>down <font color=#9966CC>load <font color=#7B68EE>| <font color=#8A2BE2>sign!  19:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi there, Please see the download page for the new release. It should work, thank X  clamation point .  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e !  21:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you much. WadeSimMiser (talk) 22:54, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. that fixed it. Um, isn't there a better way to handle this? Will this happen everytime Huggle is upgraded? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Unable to sign in
Huggle is not allowing me to sign in. It does not really give me any type of error message, other than telling me that it was unable to sign in. I know that I am entering the correct password, because I am signed into Wikipedia right now. Eric Wester (talk · contribs · email) 18:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi there, Are you using the most recent version ? (0.9.0) ?  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e ! 18:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 0.8.2. Eric Wester (talk · contribs · email) 19:07, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The only version that will work from now on due to changes on wikimedia servers will be 0.9.0. I suggest you download it :)  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:black;">T alk T o M e ! 19:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't want to start a new thread just for this, but didn't Huggle have an auto-updater before? It's not prompting for the 0.9 upgrade. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve] 00:56, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Still does but if 0.8.x can't connect it won't be able to poll for updates either. treelo  <sub style="color:#D2CDC6;">radda  00:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)