Wikipedia talk:Introduction (historical)/2/Template

What is this template
'''What is this template? And if it is a template why is it only used on one page?'''

This template contains the text of Introduction 2 part of a three page introduction Introduction, Introduction 2 and Introduction 3. New editors are encouraged to edit the first page to practice editing, but not Introduction 2. However, they often do click edit and the name of this template and the wikilink is all they see:

This encourages them to not practice on this page but to move on to a sandbox. as directed in the text of the page.

However, people often edit this page anyway (usually some kind of mistake or vandalism). This template makes it easy to restore the page to its preferred state because the new users don't know how to find the template page. The User:Sandbot enforces the introduction every 30 minutes so that if editors do not notice the vandalism right away it gets fixed automatically.

If you have questions about this page please see any of the Cleaning team listed here: Cleaning Department - Dust Removal on Introduction. Or if you want to help, sign up to be a team member! Trödel| talk 17:05, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Width 100%
This works on my firefox browser - but obviously not for everyone. I think we shoudl go to tables like User:MarSch did on Template:Please leave this line alone a while back, but not have the border (if possible) on the cells that do not have the focus - there have been some recent changes to that template because IE is rendering it improperly and mayb going to wikitables will fix that issue as well. - Jim


 * perhaps I should upgrade my firefox :) --MarSch 18:45, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Idea
The following might be more interesting that a bunch of links to long articles I don’t feel like reading when I want to read the tutorial:


 * 1) All articles must follow our no original research policy, and editors must strive for verifiable accuracy: unreferenced material may be removed, so please provide references. Wikipedia is not the place to insert personal opinions, arguments or experiences.
 * 2) We strive for articles that advocate no single point of view. Sometimes this requires representing multiple points of view, presenting each point of view accurately, providing context for any given point of view, and presenting no one point of view as "the truth" or "the best view."
 * 3) All text is available under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and may be distributed or linked accordingly. Do not infringe on copyright or submit work licensed in a way incompatible with the GFDL.
 * 4) Be civil. The articles on the English Wikipedia are to work on and discuss. Act in good faith, never disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point, and assume good faith on the part of others.
 * 5) Although it should be aimed for, perfection is not required. Do not worry about messing up. All prior versions of articles are kept, so there is no way that you can accidentally damage Wikipedia or irretrievably destroy content. Remember — whatever you write here will be preserved for posterity.--Chuck (talk) 08:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ❌ Please establish consensus for such a significant change. Happy‑melon 11:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

mk interwiki
[[:mk:Википедија:Вовед 2]] please, thanks. --iNkubusse? 01:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. --- RockMFR 01:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Size of Add to an existing article..., etc
Maybe increasing the width to 120% for example, would distinguish them a little more from other text. Is there any rendering problem to slightly increase the size ? Intro 2 is a little pale and less engaging compared to intro 1. Cenarium (talk) 03:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

gl interwiki
editprotected Could you add Galician interwiki: gl:Wikipedia:Introdución 2? Thanks. --Toliño (talk) 11:54, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done - Rjd0060 (talk) 13:40, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia: The Missing Manual
Suggest adding a link to Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual under the Find out more... heading. This idea came form a discussion at Jimbo's talk page. . dave souza, talk 09:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Where in the list would be the best place for this ? —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 13:26, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * My suggestion would be at the bottom of the current list, something like:
 * Read Wikipedia: The Missing Manual for step-by-step guidance and tutorials.
 * Alternatively, we could say "detailed guidance and tutorials". It looks useful for anyone wanting more detailed guidance, but it's a full book's worth of how-to rather than the short guidance points in the other links. I've also boldly linked it from Tutorial. . . dave souza, talk 16:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. EdJohnston (talk) 02:30, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

WL to adding images
The link is broken in line:
 * '* Add images or sounds to articles'

Please can we point it to Help:Files. Lee&there4;V (talk • contribs) 09:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. EdJohnston (talk) 02:31, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Rhbsihvi, 8 April 2011
This page should say something. Here is a suggestion:


 * The help link which always shows goes to Help:Contents, which indludes a link to Wikipedia’s policies and guidelines, how to edit, finding articles and so forth. Sandbox is for testing edits. However, as pointed out in About the Sandbox it is not to be used for funny purposes. After the edit link is clicked, there are editing buttons above and below the writing space, such as B for bolding highlighted text. Tables such as Cheatsheet also show wikimarkup. Pictures and sound files are ususlly not uploaded to Wikipedia, but rather to a different website, called Wikimedia Commons. Wikipedia is basically looking for new articles or well-written additions to unfinished articles.

I find the current page overwhelming with its links to non-introductory minutiae. I would rather skip the page than click the links. Others probably feel the same, so I think it would be better if this page actually said something.

Rhbsihvi (talk) 18:49, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. I'm not seeing what you really want to change. — G FOLEY   F OUR  — 00:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Rhbsihvi, 15 April 2011
Editing means “preparing for publication.” Thus, editing an encyclopedia is not like submitting your comments at the end of a newspaper article. It is also not like correcting a student’s term paper, since people may be reading the article. Rather, preparing an encyclopedia article for publications is “writing a research paper.” You pick a topic. You find books at the library on the topic. You limit your topic so you don’t have to read the entire books. You take notes, keeping track of where you got the information, to include that information in your term paper. You write the paper for you own knowledge, since someone else may have written one before you finish yours. If someone donated an article first, you can put yours on your personal blog somewhere, or submit it to magazines or throw it away. Editing does not mean proofreading published articles and improving style. The reason is many of the kids watching “Recent changes” assume you’re an idiot. Also, someone might be reading the article. If you are reading an article and happen to notice a mistake that is not at all just your opinion, such as a missing period at the end of a sentence or a missing end quote, then it is reasonable to make the edit. Adding additional referenced facts to a short article is much more acceptable that nitpicking about style. For such disruption of an article, some administrators would lock the article and block the individual. For information on how to submit an edit, click the help link to the left. Also, the discussion tab is not what it sounds like. It is not for comments or chat. It is for explaining or suggesting an edit that improves the article, and not for the sake of editing. There are pages just for experimenting with Wikipedia editing. They are found at Sandbox. A user’s page can also be used for editing practice.

Rhbsihvi (talk) 19:37, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * What's your point? On Wikipedia, "editing" means changing the content of a page, regardless of what content was actually changed or what the purpose of the change was. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  21:43, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't understand what you meant by "The reason is many of the kids watching “Recent changes” assume you’re an idiot". Were you saying that when a recent changes patroller sees someone editing a page to improve its style, then they assume that person is an idiot? Can you clarify? -- &oelig; &trade; 00:28, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

lv interwiki
Could you add Latvian interwiki: lv:Vikipēdija:Ievads 2? Thanks.--Edgars2007  (Talk/Contributions) 15:36, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Anomie⚔ 15:47, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Default sandbox
Sandbox should be replaced with draft:sandbox, since the latter allows testing with VisualEditor, and so is more useful to new users (the group most likely to need to test out their editing). T.Shafee(Evo &#38; Evo)talk 06:35, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- John of Reading (talk) 06:44, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Italics
Please add italics to The Missing Manual link. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:49, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 29 April 2019
Please remove

ca:Viquipèdia:Introducció II es:Ayuda:Introducción 2 gl:Wikipedia:Introdución 2 is:Wikipedia:Kynning 2 lv:Vikipēdija:Ievads 2 mk:Википедија:Вовед 2 nl:Wikipedia:Introductie 2 no:Wikipedia:Introduksjon 2 sl:Wikipedija:Uvod 2 th:วิกิพีเดีย:เริ่มต้น 2 zh:Wikipedia:概述2 he:ויקיפדיה:לימדו עוד על עריכה

since the page that transcludes this, Introduction 2, already has a wikidata item (wikidata:Q5896183) that includes the interwiki links, with the exception of those to pages that are not the equivalent of the introduction 2 page, or have been deleted.

Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 19:37, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:13, 29 April 2019 (UTC)