Wikipedia talk:List of infoboxes/Proposed/Infobox window covering articles

Using “preview”
To see your edit with “preview,” put the template call on the top of the edit box, just while previewing then remove the call before saving the edit. The saved edit shows on the doc page without clearing your browser’s cash. Chuck Marean 18:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Now I think if I edit out the “include only” tags, the preview button will work without the call.
 * There’d be two views at the top of the page: one from the template and one from the doc page.
 * However, if I put “no include” tags around the call on the doc page, the doc’s view should stay there and not be shown on the template page.
 * So, I’ll do that. I’ll put the “no include” tags around the call on the doc page to keep the view just there, and then remove the “include only” tags from the template.
 * That way, the preview button should work as usual – just like on any other page.
 * -- Chuck Marean 00:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Summary of page history

 * Version 21:01, November 10, 2007 uses Template:Navbox. With it, this template looks like this:

However, the complications of using Template: Navbox to make this template include: Template: Navbox uses “live” at least four other templates and uses “substituted” at least three other templates, one of which currently has VDE for Template, Discuss, and Edit instead of TDE.


 * Version 23:14, November 9, 2007 doesn’t use a template. It just is one. It looks like this:

It tells some of the different window coverings by giving links to articles about them. Its border makes it look like it’s for being in a text section of an article instead of in the “See also” section.

Included [ [ edit] ]
 * Version 21:43, November 10, 2007 solves this problem by removing the border. It contains the same information in a more elegant way. It looks like this:


 * External:Awning – Window screen – Hurricane shutter – Storm windows – Jalousie window – Window shutter – Louver
 * Internal:Venetian blind – Mini blind – Pleated blinds – shades
 * Surrounds:Curtain rod – Window valance – Drapery – Drapes – Curtain

It blends into a “See also” section, which might conceivably have links to articles not directly on window coverings but related. Chuck Marean 18:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Major aesthetic changes

 * I completely disagree with your major aesthetic changes and am reverting to the consensus version that follows the format of most other navigational templates, including the border, color, etc. Additionally, navigation boxes such as this aren't meant to "blend into a See also section" as you seem to believe. They are used near the bottom of articles: see, for example, the nav box at Google. Please discuss further before making such changes again. -- Zim Zala Bim talk  01:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I’ll answer this time anyway. That template is to create navigational templates quickly. This is a more advanced one. Navigational templates don't all need to look the same. This one is for the "See also" section. Also, all templates are supposed to have directions, the directions shouldn't goof up the Show Preview button. The doc page is supposed to be included on template page. Therefore, I'm getting the Show Preview button to work with the documentation included on this page. The idea is that with two pages, edits to the directions and edits to the template have separate histories, but it shouldn't goof up the Preview button. Also, V needs to be corrected to T on that template. So maybe you should mention it there. Using V is not a consensus. It is obviously somebody's joke about templates. Chuck Marean 02:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not following you at all. Navigational panes don't belong in "see also" sections. What are you talking about regarding "show preview"? And "V" vs. "T" and a joke? The "V" button is to "view" the template, which is standardized via the "navbar" (see Template:Navbox).. Please explain. -- Zim Zala Bim talk  02:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Chuck, did you read the edit summary here, where Davidruben explained what you have here is really a navigation box and not an infobox? -- Zim Zala Bim talk  02:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll be putting the noinclude tags around the link to the directions page. V is a mistake on Template:Navbox. This template doesn't need to use that template. If it does, the directions need to be re-written.--Chuck Marean 02:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Chuck: Why do you keep reverting? You are nearing a 3RR violation. Further, the "V" is not a mistake - it stands for "view" (while the "D" means Discussion and "E" means Edit). Again, familiarize yourself with the "navbar" section at Template:Navbox.-- Zim Zala Bim talk  02:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I’m not. You were editing at the same time. I was in the middle of getting the “Show preview” button to work. I know V stands for view. Here's an example template: Template:Disneyrides. The tabs at the top of the page are: "template," "discussion," "edit this page" and "history". However, on the navbox it says V-D-E, not T-D-E for template, discussion, and edit. In the Disneyland article, Template:disneyparks and Template:Disneyland2, although collapsible, are located at the bottom of the page just above the categories instead of in the "See also" section. The navbox format seems to be put near the category box although it probably was not designed for that, being collapsible. A format that would fit into the "See also" section would just be text but from a template to make it easier to add articles to the "See also" section of related articles. Whatever format is used, the template's directions need to be about that format. My edits today have been about the “Show preview” button. We were not having an edit war. We were editing at the same time, and I was in the middle of my edit when you reverted the page to the navbox version twice. I started my edit to get the show preview button to work when the documentation page was being transcluded, since the template is supposed to have directions.Chuck Marean 04:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Regarding Template:Disneyrides, you are confusing Wikipedia's tabs with the V-D-E links within the template itself. Those are standardized, as I've mentioned multiple times above. -- Zim Zala Bim talk  05:01, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Templates are not used for "See also", specifically because such a template by listing out a group of articles will inevitably mean that every article it is used on will have a self-directed reference back to the article itself. Navboxes, by not being part of "See also", are clearly a standardised collections of links that cover a collection of articles. Therefore I suggest leaving the "Infobox window covering articles" in NavBox style (going live it should be renamed as "Template:Window covering articles", dropping any mention of it being an "infobox"). There are moves to have greater standardisation of common features, and whilst no article or project is under absolute obligation, nor is there any need constantly reinventing the wheel and having idiosyncratic coding. Also using NavBox both follows this principle now, and allows any future decisions on functionality to be implemented across thousands of navigation boxes seamlessly.David Ruben Talk 04:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)