Wikipedia talk:Lua/Archive 7

Preserving whitespace in submitted parameter value
What's the best way to have this input:

output as (with the whitespace):
 * comment

instead of killing the whitespace and doing:
 * comment

as is presently the case?

Yes, I know, we can do:

but that's not the question.

My immediate guess would be that we already have a module capable of this, but that there's probably also an old-school way to do it, too. My is that leading/trailing whitespace is killed by the parser upon transmission (instead of after receipt and initial processing and before re-output), i.e. that the desired output isn't possible without hard-coding spaces in the template, or in the input. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:53, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You could modify ? Barring that, perhaps something like this:
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 03:08, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I meant that should be able to tell the difference between  and  with output matching the input.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:37, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Re the parser, your fear is well founded because the value of any parameter set with  has leading and trailing whitespace removed. That applies to templates and modules. The traditional workaround is to use   for the input which generates something equivalent to a space before and after. To handle a variety of input you would need code such as that from Trappist. Johnuniq (talk) 03:32, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we can't do that hard-coding of the space in the template, because  should produce comment not comment.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:37, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Weirdly, preserves  space. With  you get, but with  you get . But it doesn't work consistently on all the parameters:  gives .  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:43, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It is documented somewhere that numbered parameters (those without ) are not trimmed, whereas named parameters (those with  ) are. I have done some experiments. Assuming numbered parameters   the results are:
 * Weirdly, preserves  space. With  you get, but with  you get . But it doesn't work consistently on all the parameters:  gives .  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:43, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It is documented somewhere that numbered parameters (those without ) are not trimmed, whereas named parameters (those with  ) are. I have done some experiments. Assuming numbered parameters   the results are:

(++) → ( abc + def + ghi ) → (abc) (++) → (abc+def+ghi) → (| abc| def| ghi)
 * That is,  is doing something funky and inconsistent with spaces. I didn't bother setting up a reproducible experiment but if one were available the next step would be WP:VPT. Johnuniq (talk) 07:57, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * if exists to preserve that whitespace. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 12:09, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * if removes (trims) outer spaces for all parameters (named and unnamed), and consistently so. Trim} uses this feature.
 * Demo lines 2 and 3 by Johnuniq above show this effect. Line 4 still has the prefixed space, because by the addition of a character (&amp;#124;), the prefixed space has become an internal space and so is not affected by trimming.
 * shows spaces with parameter 1 only because that is the only parameter not #if-ed in code.
 * This saves us in situations with #ifeq, because the logic should not depend on spaces added in code:
 * best be equal to . -DePiep (talk) 11:58, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I was confused but see now that it is consistent. Johnuniq (talk) 22:52, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Need help with module to replace Template:NYC bus link and Template:LI bus link
Hi, I'm trying to write a module named Module:NYC bus link, which will replace Template:NYC bus link (and later, Template:LI bus link). Currently, the NYC bus link templates creates comma-separated lists of links to multiple NYC bus routes, linking to pages with suffixes of "(New York City bus)". This will work for NYC bus routes with various prefixes excluding "N", e.g. the code will produce "". The LI bus link template does the same thing with suffixes of "(Long Island bus)". This will work for any NYC-area bus route with the prefix "N", e.g. the code will produce "". I have tried to put code in Module:Sandbox/Epicgenius/NYC bus link, but I don't know Lua.

However, both templates only allow up to 20 links. I want to extend that to an infinite number of links. Since I have never written a Lua template before, I was wondering if someone could give me advice on how I could write this module. Thanks in advance. epicgenius (talk) 21:48, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Like this?
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 22:17, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. epicgenius (talk) 22:19, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The above is mindless; it should be improved to accept any case for city: nyC, Li, etc; it should be improved to do something sensible when given a nonsensical city abbreviation.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 22:21, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Definitely. I just needed this template to replace NYC bus link and LI bus link for the time being. More cities could be added if necessary. epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. epicgenius (talk) 22:19, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The above is mindless; it should be improved to accept any case for city: nyC, Li, etc; it should be improved to do something sensible when given a nonsensical city abbreviation.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 22:21, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Definitely. I just needed this template to replace NYC bus link and LI bus link for the time being. More cities could be added if necessary. epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Ebola epidemy / lua error on ln.wiki
Hello, someone with IP copied medicall infoboxes from fr.wiki to ln.wiki to emprove the article about Ebola virus. Unfortunately, there are a lot of lua errors in the infobox. See here: https://ln.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokono_ya_Ebola Can this be fixed? This is quiet urgent, as the article about Ebola is written by a medical doctor an in the lingala speaking area there is once again a Ebola epidemy. --Bombo (talk) 00:39, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * @Bombo: The immediate problem is that ln:Module:Wikidata does not have a  function. Module:Wikidata mentions that function is implemented at ruwiki but is not in the enwiki version. The fundamental problem is that a consistent set of templates/modules are needed. Editing ln:Bokono ya Ebola and looking under "Templates used on this page" shows what is being used and what might need to be updated for a consistent set. Johnuniq (talk) 00:58, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * @Bombo: The page with errors is apparently using templates/modules from frwiki which are not used at enwiki so asking at frwiki might be better if you do not want to switch to the enwiki system.
 * @Doc James: You have probably helped to translate Ebola virus disease in various places. Do you have an example that might be used as a model to fix the errors at ln:Bokono ya Ebola? Johnuniq (talk) 01:03, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I no nothing about how to get Lua to work. User:RexxS might? User:CFCF installed the medical infobox in hundreds of languages. I do not know if they did ln.
 * Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:10, 24 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Ah here we go ln:Template:Infobox medical condition Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 01:11, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Better  Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 01:12, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Brilliant, thanks! I tweaked your link to the infobox CFCF set up in 2015. Johnuniq (talk) 01:23, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Matando malámu, thank you very much! User:RexxS, User:CFCF, Johnuniq, Doc James  --Bombo (talk) 13:43, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Idea
Would it be a good idea to create a "For every numbered parameter, do X" with X being specified as a parameter to the module (aka an extension of Module:For nowiki, except directly invoked)? This seems like it would obsolete a lot of pre-existing lua modules and make it easier to make templates not have arbitrary limits. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 01:47, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Isn't this basically Module:Separated entries? Jc86035 (talk) 02:07, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * No, because that modules returns output, whereas my proposed module expands Wikitext. To give an example, one could implement Anchor, which currently uses its own lua module, as . (NAME, of course, would be replaced with the proper module name) &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 02:10, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think this is a good idea, although maybe you could work it into the existing module (maybe in a  function). Jc86035 (talk) 02:31, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Which module is "the existing module" (Module:Separated entries, Module:For nowiki, or something else)?. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 02:32, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant Module:For nowiki. Jc86035 (talk) 04:10, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of the intended results, however it gets done.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:54, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * There's some chatter on a task related to TemplateData (phab:T54582) that maybe the "infinite parameter" pattern might be an anti-pattern. I'll leave that for others to think about. --Izno (talk) 03:45, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It's more "there was some chatter 4–5 years ago". As for the proposal here, I note that passing wikitext through  will likely be slower than processing data more specifically and avoiding that. Anomie⚔ 12:31, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Has that thinking changed and no-one has commented to that effect on the task? (I personally am interested in TemplateData supporting infinite parameters, but that doesn't drive task consensus or implementation. :) --Izno (talk) 12:52, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It's not clear how much that thinking was established in the first place. And letting people continue to proliferate it for 4 years doesn't help the case. Anomie⚔ 13:01, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I personally prefer hlist (unlimited parameters) to flatlist (div wrapper) purely because it doesn't take up so much vertical space in the wikitext editor. I was aware this sort of thing created TemplateData issues but I didn't think anyone would actually care about it. Since 's proposed module function would mainly be replacing other modules which already contribute to this anti-pattern, T54582 is probably not much of a concern here. Jc86035 (talk) 21:41, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * this idea (or rather, and extended version of it) was implemented in hewiki in he:Module:תבנית חוזרת. instead of "doing something" with every numerical (unnamed) parameter, you give it a prefix, say, "game_". the module then will collect all parameters of the form game_1, game_2, game_77, and apply some common behavior - most likely pass their value to some other template (also passed as parameter to this module). it was written by User:ערן - he may want to expand, and maybe correct any error i made describing the module. i'm not sure if the module supports "naked" prefix, which will do what the OP suggested, but even if it doesn't, it should not be that hard to teach it to perform this trick. the whole module is some 50 lines long, so it should not be that hard to read, understand, and modify if you want to spin your own derivative. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 05:49, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That's how Module:Release timeline does it. Module:Citation/CS1 does it quite a bit differently. --Izno (talk) 14:29, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe I've implemented this in Module:For nowiki/sandbox, and converted Template:Anchor/sandbox to wikitext as a trivial example. What do you think? &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 16:51, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think this could be very useful, although for Anchor/sandbox maybe a standard span tag might be better than using the parser function. Jc86035 (talk) 17:13, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I wasn't able to get that to work, since the  tags were escaping the in the code. Perhaps I need to borrow some code from Module:Demo to handle that. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 17:14, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

nitpick: your doLoop func looks like so: this means you call frame:preprocess N times, concatenating the result. this is bad form: you want to minimize concatenation, and even more, you want to minimize calls to preprocess. it would be better to prepare everything, and call preprocess once: note that this is just an outline, not pretending to be correct, and completely botches the notion of "offset" (which i do not understand). i guess if you want to use this mode, you'll have to inject it back somewhere. my main point is, there's no advantage to calling "preprocess" separately for each item - build the whole !@#$%^ thing, and call preprocess once, for the whole lot. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 17:43, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Calling preprocess multiple times actually seems better to me, because it syncs better with Module:For loop, and because it isolates each input from the next one, which makes semantically more sense. In any case, all of that code was inherited from, who must have thought there was some reason to do it that way rather than concatenating the code. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 17:57, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I had isolation of inputs on mind. Note that in ordinary template transclusion a template is expanded in isolation as well. I would expect the cost of the preprocess call to be comparable to the template tranclusion, which would be fine for me, but it is just a guess. Concatenating before preprocess is a possible optimization, but are the potential problems worth it? Petr Matas 18:56, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * it is very much possible my comment was misdirected. the source of it was the explanation of preprocess in the documentation (mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual): it says something like

This expands wikitext in the context of the frame, i.e. templates, parser functions, and parameters such as  are expanded. Certain special tags ....(skipping)

...If you are expanding a single template, use  instead of trying to construct a wikitext string to pass to this method. It's faster and less prone to error if the arguments contain pipe characters or other wikimarkup.

If you are expanding a single parser function, use  for the same reasons.
 * to me, it reads: preprocess is for processing large and ugly chunks of wikitext (and is not cheap, relatively speaking). with this in mind, my understanding is that it's better to call it once, with the whole enchilada, rather than inside the loop. if one cares about "isolation" and cleanliness, one should probably resort to frame:expandTemplate. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 20:09, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No template exists to be expanded in this case. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 23:30, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I've synced the sandbox of Module:For nowiki, so this is now live. And here comes the end of many modules! &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 23:30, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

I wonder how many of the ~1000 modules (excluding /data, /doc, /sandbox, /testcases, Module:Sandbox, and a few examples of modules whose subpages don't follow that format) can be replaced by this. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 03:36, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Date & Wikidata help
I wish to explore how Lua imports dates from Wikidata. I'm interested in testing edge cases, like hears at the edge of a century, years BC, and years with more than 4 digits. I have experience one Lua module and have a Lua textbook, but could use some help, so I don't have to find and wander through reams of Lua/Wikidata documentation for one simple task.

I want to put a date in the Wikidata Sandbox (Q4115189)‎. Then I want to view a page in my userspace and see the date that has been imported from Lua. I'd appreciate any help.

Also, in places like infoboxes, are dates usually used "raw", or are there certain functions that are usually used to make them look more palatable? Jc3s5h (talk) 20:36, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * In Wikidata, data of type "time" are stored as timestamps that look like "+2018-07-17T00:00:00Z" along with a precision which can be from a day to a billion years. The year in the datestamp now has a minimum of 4 digits, but may have more. The month and day may be "00" if the precision means their value is not significant.
 * In Module:WikidataIB, which is intended for use in infoboxes, we also have to deal with preferences for "dmy" vs "mdy" and for "BC/AD" vs "BCE/CE", because different articles will use different preferences. The wikibase client offers a method  that returns a string that looks like "1 August 30 BCE" for the stored timestamp value "-0030-08-01T00:00:00Z". That doesn't cope with ranks, but might be useful at some point, so the code in WikidataIB first converts each timestamp into the recognisable dMy/BCE format, then passes that into a routine that deals with dmy/mdy and BC/BCE preferences. It doesn't presently cope with years that have more than four digits, but that's not difficult to patch with a regex. I've left it for now because every date with a 5 digit year that I've come across so far has been a typo, so I find it useful to flag up. YMMV.
 * If you're dealing with Wikidata, you'll need to cope with timestamps like "+1872-00-00T00:00:00Z", which is how the geniuses over there decided to store "1872 (precision year)". The standard libraries treat that as the day before 1872-01-01, which is 1871-12-31, so of course the year turns out wrong.
 * Please feel free to re-use as much of the code in that module as you find useful. I've tried to annotate as much of it as I could. Let me know if I can help any further. --RexxS (talk) 23:10, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I need to look at a higher level view. For example, could I create a simple infobox in my user space, or are there presumptions in place that looks at the Wikidata item that corresponds to the article the infobox appears in, so maybe the extraction can be worked with is in an article that has a corresponding Wikidata item. If that obstacle does not exist, can you suggest a simple infobox with a date that I could instantiate in my user space? Jc3s5h (talk) 01:01, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Is this related to the issue with Wikibase storing "20th century" as 2000-00-00 by default? Jc86035 (talk) 07:01, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * There are a number of ways to store information into the Wikibase repository. There is the interactive user interface, a bot, Quickstatements, etc. The only one I personally have used is the interactive user interface. With that, you can enter the date in several formats, like January 1, 2050, then manually setting the precision to "century". Looking at the diff in a place like the Wikidata sandbox (QQ4115189) you see it stores whatever date you provided and whatever precision you provided. But if you entered, for example "January 1, 2100" the interactive user interface will display it as "21.century" when it really should be grouped with the other years in the 2100-2199 range.
 * I did some experimenting with the interactive user interface and found that I could enter "2100" with a precision of century and it would store it as "+2100-00-00T00:00:00Z" with precision 7. Jc3s5h (talk) 11:52, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You are not limited to retrieving dates from within the linked article. Here are some :
 * For :  →
 * For :  →
 * For :  →
 * If you want to see how the data is actually stored on Wikidata:
 * In :  →
 * In :  →


 * Century years are controversial. Because there was no year zero, the First Century started in year 1 and hence ended in year 100; the Second Century from 101 to 200, and so on. The Second Millennium technically started on 1 January 2001 for the same reason. However some folks will disagree with that, so you can't please everyone. Either 2100 is the last year of the 21st Century, or the first year of the 22nd Century according to taste. --RexxS (talk) 13:09, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much; in the last several hours I've been trying to figure out how to use #invoke in an ordinary page rather than in a module (which was totally off-track) or a template. I'd figured out Wikidata, but not WikidataIB. I can get started without having to write any Lua myself. If we figure out what to do with some of the dates, I might want to try some sandbox changes to the WikidataIB code later on. Can you suggest how to set up a simple test environment?
 * As for the substance of your date questions, I need some time to digest it and some other stuff to do today. Jc3s5h (talk) 13:32, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I keep "test cases" for WikidataIB in Module talk:WikidataIB/testing for want of a better place and the same tests for Module:WikidataIB/sandbox at Module talk:WikidataIB/sandbox/testing. They should be useful for seeing examples of what can be done with the module. Feel free to add more sections or use your own user space as a test environment. When you want to try amending code, there are at least three sandboxes: Module:WikidataIB/sandbox, Module:WikidataIB/sandbox1, and Module:WikidataIB/sandbox2. They are not used much lately, so you can experiment as much as you like in those without disturbing any articles (they may need to be synchronised with the main module by copy-paste). --RexxS (talk) 16:00, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Can't get require working
In Module:track gauge/sandbox I want to add Module:Preview warning, but I can't get it working. Can someone take a look? The preview message should appear in this situation in preview:

-DePiep (talk) 11:35, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This has nothing to do with require, but rather with Module:Preview warning (sidenote: which I've just nominated for deletion as unnecessary module forking), which is coded to only accept a frame, rather than a string. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 11:51, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I said "require" to indicate it is an internal module call, not an #invoke. Anyway, I see the original code Module:If preview also needs a frame not an argument. Is there a workaround for this? - DePiep (talk) 12:06, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Solved. (Hardcoded module core code). - DePiep (talk) 12:23, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * In general, a solution can usually be constructed by writing the desired code to be a local ("private") function, something like:
 * and then creating a "public" function which acts as a wrapper to the local function:
 * Obviously, you tailor the parameter(s} to what the call needs (or pass the entire table of frame.args). That allows you to include the module code in another module without having to use a frame object to call it. --RexxS (talk) 14:42, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I see, will use this a next time. thx. - DePiep (talk) 14:56, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * not sure what user:RexxS meant when discussing "public" and "private" functions, so allow me to clarify:
 * modules can export functions to be used by templates. such functions take a single argument of type "frame", and by convention is also called "frame", and return a string. modules can also export any other function, to be used by other modules. such functions can take any number of parameters, of any type, including scalars, tables, and functions. the same module can export both types, e.g., Module:String exports template function "replace", used by calling, and it also exports _escapePattern, to be consumed by other modules, as in  so, in essence, both replace and _escapePattern are "public", but it's a different type of public... (granted, even the "template" functions can be called by other modules, but this is usually not a good practice, except the case where the caller simply passes the "frame" received from a "real" template)
 * peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 19:34, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I was unclear. The idea of "public" and "private" functions became important concepts for object-oriented programming, where code would make certain functions available externally ("public") and others would not be accessible from external code ("private"). Those concepts were commonly used in languages like C++ and Java. In Scribunto, as kipod says, a Lua module can return a table (often called p) of functions that are available to the #invoke: call. Whereas  effectively transcludes an entire module, so all of its code becomes available to the calling module. I tend to think of those functions available to the #invoke: as "public" and all of ones that are not as "private". Of course, there are lots of ways of looking at programming, so I apologise if my mindset introduced any confusion. --RexxS (talk) 22:31, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * - you were not "unclear" - you are simply wrong. in scribuntu, after calling  the value of x is _exactly_ whatever the module returns, which by convention, is a single table (which in enwiki is usually called "p"). none of the functions in the module which are not explicitly returned are accessible to the requirer. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 23:21, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Unless they're global. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 23:23, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but your understanding or reading of what I wrote is not correct. You can see the differences in documentation of 'require' between Scribunto and Lua 5.1: mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual and http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-require - it's interesting to observe what is meant by "Loads the specified module." Unless something odd happens, you will find that all of the code in the loaded module is available (but not directly accessible) to the calling module. You are correct that the module's local functions are not directly callable from the calling module, but their code is available to all of the exported functions that makes use of them. Look at the example I gave above.
 * [Edit]: Okay, I can see where I was misleading you. Yes, you still have to have a "wrapper" like  to export a non-frame version of the local function.  --RexxS (talk) 23:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * you were not "misleading me" - you simply made some wrong statements. in scribuntu (which, i guess is different than standard lua, and definitely different than many other frameworks such as node, go, php, .net etc.), you can't simply require a module and then access it's functions. here is the execrpt from the documentation explaining this:
 * Unless they're global. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 23:23, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but your understanding or reading of what I wrote is not correct. You can see the differences in documentation of 'require' between Scribunto and Lua 5.1: mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual and http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-require - it's interesting to observe what is meant by "Loads the specified module." Unless something odd happens, you will find that all of the code in the loaded module is available (but not directly accessible) to the calling module. You are correct that the module's local functions are not directly callable from the calling module, but their code is available to all of the exported functions that makes use of them. Look at the example I gave above.
 * [Edit]: Okay, I can see where I was misleading you. Yes, you still have to have a "wrapper" like  to export a non-frame version of the local function.  --RexxS (talk) 23:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * you were not "misleading me" - you simply made some wrong statements. in scribuntu (which, i guess is different than standard lua, and definitely different than many other frameworks such as node, go, php, .net etc.), you can't simply require a module and then access it's functions. here is the execrpt from the documentation explaining this:

Note that every required module is loaded in its own sandboxed environment, so it cannot export global variables as is sometimes done in Lua 5.1. Instead, everything that the module wishes to export should be included in the table returned by the module.
 * as i tried to explain above. ( - as you can see, there is no such thing as "globals" your module can export. it can only export a single table, that's returned both to #invoke and to require.) peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 16:05, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse, or just don't understand English. The original question was effectively "how do I make use of a public function that takes a frame as its argument?" The answer I gave was to rewrite the function as a local function with non-frame arguments and use a public function as a wrapper to call the local function. That makes the code (not the call) of the local function available to the external call. Which part of that don't you understand? I can see that only giving an example that exported a public frame-based function (for #invoke) could have been supplemented by a near identical example of exporting a public non-frame-based function (for use in another module), but I guess I assumed that most folks reading here would be smart enough to figure that one out for themselves. Perhaps I was wrong. --RexxS (talk) 16:37, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * you can call me names, and question my ability to understand english - i don't mind.
 * you wrote "require effectively transcludes an entire module, so all of its code becomes available to the calling module."
 * this is simply wrong (it may be correct in "standard" lua, but is wrong in scribuntu). all the code of the required module is not available to the calling module - the only thing available is the single table returned by the required module. i understand you have difficulty admitting to a simple mistake - this is not a unique trait, and very common amongst humans. קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 21:00, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That's nonsense. You just don't seem to understand how require works in Scribuntu. I did indeed write "require effectively transcludes an entire module, so all of its code becomes available to the calling module" and that is correct no matter how many times you deny it. I can simply demonstrate the accuracy of what I wrote. Look at Module:WikidataIB/sandbox. There's a piece of code at lines 202-254 that takes a date and applies the users' preferences for dmy/mdy and bc/bce, returning a string. That's a local function called "format_Date". At lines 1367-1378 there are two public wrapper functions, one to allow #invoke access to the code, and the other to allow another module access to the code. When the module is loaded via require, all of the code in the local function between lines 202-254 is available to any calling module through the wrapper function . When the module is #invoked, all of the code in the local function between lines 202-254 is available to any page via the wrapper function  . Anybody can verify the truth of that, and that's what I described in my original reply above. Think about it this way: when a module is loaded through require, its entire code is loaded as if it were a "class" within the calling module, so the scope of any private objects inside that class is solely within that class, but public methods exposed by the class can be used to make all of the code inside it available. The technique I describe works, and I can use it to make any part of the code in any module available, so I can't see how you get the notion that it's somehow "wrong". --RexxS (talk) 22:26, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't know what the manual's "cannot export global variables" refers to. While it is very bad idea to use globals, they do in fact work as can be seen in a test I just set up: main + required + results. Johnuniq (talk) 01:02, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * let me explain what "can't export" means: your required contains 2 functions. "square" and "cube". it returns a table that contains cube. anything in the returned table is available to the requirer, and anything else isn't, so your main can use r.cube. what RexxS wrote above is that requiring the module is akin to "transcluding" it, and all the functions in "temp" (including square ) are available to the caller. i think RexxS thinks that in order for a function to be available it needs some kind of "wrapper" magic, which is plain silly. his sandbox contains the following superstitious segment:


 * there is no "wrapper" magic, and the above code is just silly. all you need in order to make format_Date available to the requirer, is to add it to the returned table, like so: . it is possible he does not fully comprehend how require works in scribunto: calling require by itself (i.e., without assigning or using the return value) has zero effect. the return value of require is exactly the value of the table returned by the module. this table can contain functions, scalars, other tables, and whatever you wish. nothing in the required module except the returned table is exposed to the reuirer. there is no "wrapper" magic - only the returned table. talking about "classes", "private", "public" is just confusing yourself with metaphors that do not belong to scribuntu. it is very simple: when you call require, it returns exactly one table - the one returned by the module (which someone in enwiki decided needs to be called "p").
 * as a side, i personally think this pattern used in enwiki (creating an empty table at the beginning of the module, and accumulation values to it throughout the module, and at the bottom writing "return p"), is bad, and make it less clear and less readable. it is better to use the pattern (as in Module:Sandbox/Johnuniq/temp) of returning, at the end of the module, an explicit and anonymous table, that lists exactly what the module returns/exposes. for instance, the module RexxS linked to, Module:WikidataIB/sandbox, exports dozen or more functions, but it's a pain in the ass to figure out which, exactly. it would be better if there was no "p", and the statement at the end of the module, instead of "return p", would read:


 * this way the list of things returned by the module is clear and accessible. i cannot think of a single advantage to the pattern used in enwiki, but apparently some people think it's mandatory. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 06:55, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * "calling require by itself ... has zero effect" We are being pedantic here so while that statement is correct in practice, it is not literally correct. Executing  would leave global variables/functions available for use in the requirer. Re your last point, while I agree, I have read strong opinions to the contrary that point out that while reading a module, seeing "local" in front of everything suggests that everything is local and the reader would find their expectations confounded by the export which turns some of the local functions into effectively global. Johnuniq (talk) 07:20, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I see that kipod has changed his tune. It now seems that what I wrote wasn't wrong, but he just doesn't like how I write code. He calls it "silly", and then makes up what he thinks I'm thinking, just so that he can criticise it. Strawman. He apparently doesn't realise that his function assignment  and my explicit function declaration have exactly the same effect. The difference is that explicitly defining the function is much clearer for others to read than that sort of assignment. You use a wrapper here to make clear you are defining a public function; it's not "magic". Shortening code to the minimum is how script-kiddies write programs, making them as obscure as possible in the hope that only they can understand them. Module:WikidataIB actually has all of its local (private) functions defined in the first section (labelled "private functions") and all of the exported (public) functions in the second section (labelled "public functions"), so figuring out what is exported is just a matter of looking at that section, or reading the f***ing documentation.
 * Nevertheless, I do have a lot of sympathy with his suggestion of collecting all of the public functions at the end of the module and returning a table of functions to export there, but since that is not the style currently used on enwiki and in all of the examples for new programmers, I don't intend to complicate matters any further for new Lua editors by offering an alternative style. We have few enough new Lua editors without putting any of them off with multiple variations that all do the same job. --RexxS (talk) 13:16, 19 July 2018 (UTC)


 * this begins to get personal, so maybe it is not productive, but let me elaborate a little bit. what RexxS wrote above ("require is like transclusion") is wrong for scribuntu (while being correct for lua in general). i would not comment on the fact that the "wrapper" is useless and silly, except the fact that in his previous (wrong) comment, he said that such wrapper is actually _needed_ in order to export something (in his words: "Yes, you still have to have a "wrapper" like p._myfunc = function( param1, param2 ) to export a non-frame version of the local function").
 * but let's leave the personal stuff aside, and maybe we can clarify some stuff that became murky in the discussion.


 * some notes about difference between vanilla lua and scribuntu, locals, globals, and require
 * so, in vanilla lua, require does (almost) exactly what RexxS described above: it's like transcluding all the "global" stuff (functions and variables) from the required module:


 * "pure" lua:
 * FILE a.lua
 * FILE b.lua

in contrast, with scribuntu, things are different: if you use the same code (well, replace "print" with mw.log, drop the .lua, and add "Module: to the require statement... ), the first difference is that "ok" will not be true, and instead will be nil: module "A" does not have a "return" statement. everything else will be nil too, since the required module is loaded in a sandbox. in order to get some value from our required module, we will need to explicitly return the stuff we want, in a table. so let's do this exercise:


 * scribuntu example:
 * module a
 * module b

so with scribuntu, "local" and "global" (or "private" and "public") are meaningless notions, when discussion require, and have no effect on visibility (since everything is made "local" anyway, by the scribuntu framework). the only meaningful thing is the table that require returns.

now, as Johnuniq pointed out, my statement above that calling "require" by itself (i.e., without using the value returned by it) has zero effect, is not technically correct: when you call require, in addition to consuming some memory for the module's code, all the "free" code (i.e. code outside of any function) in the module will execute. however, b/c of scribuntu's sandboxing, the only effect of such require, can be consumption of memory and cpu, and posting to the "scribuntu logs" by calling mw.log and it's brethren (modulo bugs in scribuntu, of course). scribuntu guards against any other effect. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 16:54, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You're quite right: I misspoke when I said you need a wrapper function. I should have said you need some means for a calling module to access the code that is loaded by require, and a wrapper is not the only way to do that (although in the circumstances of the original post, it would be my preferred way, in order to keep a parallel with accessing the code via #invoke). --RexxS (talk) 17:33, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to understand what Scribunto "sandboxes". I always assumed that mention of Lua sandboxing was referring to code to ensure that a module could not do anything other than generate text to be used for the expansion of a #invoke. At any rate, I have modified my example: main + required + results. The results are the same as before but the required module does not return anything. Johnuniq (talk) 05:08, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to understand what Scribunto "sandboxes". I always assumed that mention of Lua sandboxing was referring to code to ensure that a module could not do anything other than generate text to be used for the expansion of a #invoke. At any rate, I have modified my example: main + required + results. The results are the same as before but the required module does not return anything. Johnuniq (talk) 05:08, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to understand what Scribunto "sandboxes". I always assumed that mention of Lua sandboxing was referring to code to ensure that a module could not do anything other than generate text to be used for the expansion of a #invoke. At any rate, I have modified my example: main + required + results. The results are the same as before but the required module does not return anything. Johnuniq (talk) 05:08, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

amazing. so it turns out i'm the one who does not understand how scribuntu's require actually works. i always took the documentation (or rather, my understanding of the docs) at face value, and never bothered to actually test it. i owe an appology to RexxS then - sorry for insisting you were wrong when i was the one in error. i still suspect this may be a bug that crept into scribuntu at some point, but more likely, my faulty undersanding is the real bug... sorry for the confusion. maybe User:Anomie can explain what the sandboxing comment really means? should i go back to all the modules i wrote and make sure everything is local? peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 16:30, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * There are two levels of sandboxing in Scribunto. The first removes various features that could be used to access the filesystem of the server or to affect other running processes. The second prevents the code from one  from affecting or communicating with code from a different   on the page.
 * As for the comment I'm removing from the reference manual in mw:Special:Diff/2833647, it looks like it was a bug which was fixed as part of . Due to that bug, the globals were being loaded into the wrong scope which is why it seemed like it wasn't possible at the time. Anomie⚔ 16:56, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Simplifying invocations of Lua modules when designing templates
One of the nuisances of designing infoboxes and similar templates that draw data from Wikidata is that we often want that value to appear only if it exists (or in other cases if it's not equal to a particular value). That usually involves making two calls to the Lua module to fetch the Wikidata – once to test it, and a second time to display its value. Using a "helper" template that takes the  as a parameter and uses that parameter twice is a possible work-around that simplifies the infobox (or other template) design. I've created two new templates Template:If then show and Template:Ifnoteq then show as illustrations of the technique, along with some simple documentation of they may be used. Hopefully they may prove useful. --RexxS (talk) 12:45, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Convert Infobox Chinese/Chinese
Would someone mind converting Template:Infobox Chinese to Lua? It's so the order of the romanization options can be changed (such as displaying Cantonese first in the uncollapsed/expanded template when the subject is Hong Kong) - From Template_talk:Infobox_Chinese

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 13:56, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * (I asked WhisperToMe to post here since I probably don't have the time to deal with this.) There's also a section on the template's talk page about the merger with another template which is stalled because both templates are fairly complicated and presumably difficult to work with. This might require modification to Module:Infobox to allow modules to use it, or the new module could just generate its own table (which might be somewhat easier). Jc86035 (talk) 14:02, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

First Lua module review: sfnt
I just made some to Module:Footnotes/sandbox for to be used by the new Template:sfnt. I'm new to Lua and Scribuntu, so I was hoping a more experienced editor could review my work. I also have a couple specific questions: Thanks! Daask (talk) 15:29, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) Rather than just stripping Talk from the page name via gsub, I'd like to use the equivalent of the magic word SUBJECTPAGENAME, but I don't see how to do this in Lua.
 * 2) The template currently emits an error via sfnt (as I want it to) when used in any non-talk namespace. Is it a best practice for this to be included in the Module (Module:Footnotes/sandbox), or in the Template (sfnt)? If this should be done in the module, then I would welcome suggestions for sample modules with similar behavior.
 * Whoops, it actually doesn't work. frame:getParent:getTitle is always returning Template:sfnt rather than the page that sfnt is transcluded in. I'm not sure how to fix this. Daask (talk) 15:48, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think you want  to get the article namespace (see mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual)  There are other object there that may be handy.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 16:01, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip. It's working fine now. Do you have guidance on my second question, or other suggestions? Daask (talk) 19:34, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Only this: put the  inside the
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:31, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It's also fine in "Wikipedia:" namespace. All the "talk" formatting templates are also used in noticeboards which function like talk pages in most respects.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:45, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It's also fine in "Wikipedia:" namespace. All the "talk" formatting templates are also used in noticeboards which function like talk pages in most respects.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:45, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Template:JCW-selected
This is getting called a lot (2600+ times) by WP:CRAPWATCH/SETUP, so any help in making it more efficient would be appreciated, as well as scale to an infinite number of unnamed arguments. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:46, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, I did make it lua (with infinite args), not sure if that actually made it more efficient or anything though Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:50, 13 August 2018 (UTC)


 * it seems speedier from what I can tell. The template page throws an error right now but it's nothing that can't be solved with no include tags. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:07, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

need help to localize parameter
Hello, i need to localize Module:Webarchive for bnwiki. I tried this, It works but not always. I listed some problems here. Please take a look, feel free to edit here (no need to explain anything to me). --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 18:16, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing that your problem for শিরোনাম২ and ইউআরএল২ might be because  doesn't know about the bn equivalent names.
 * One of the things that I did for bn:Module:Citation/CS1 was to create a table that replaced bn digits with western digits in enumerated parameter names because Lua only understands western digits (the table for that is at bn:Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration and is named ).  You might need to do something similar if you will be supporting bn digits in your parameter names.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 18:53, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for answer. Problem is i don't where to put it, which line. Even though i did this edit but i even don't know it was right or wrong. Could please do it there? --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:10, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for answer. Problem is i don't where to put it, which line. Even though i did this edit but i even don't know it was right or wrong. Could please do it there? --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:10, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

date localization
Above problem is solved. But this module still have date related problem, you can see here (first two section). Can someone help. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 16:12, 27 August 2018 (UTC)


 * To make it work for dates, it would need to translate from Bengali to English early in the program, then back to Bengali late in the program .. this way the program remains mostly unmodified. It looks like there is মডিউল:ConvertDigit from English to Bengali - need a way to convert Bengali date to English. -- Green  C  20:50, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata queries
Is it possible to do complex queries like this in Lua to Wikidata? -- Green  C  20:21, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No, SPARQL queries are not supported directly on wiki. Queries have a future, but it was put off after the structured Commons work came in (and associated multi-content revisions). Outside of the mainspace, you can set up for complex queries. --Izno (talk) 22:35, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh well, as I thought. It's for a template used in infoboxes, which might be a bad idea anyway due to performance. Glad to hear it might/could happen though. -- Green  C  23:31, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * You can usually get infoboxes to work by traversing the edges between nodes if you're starting from a particular item, with the use of one or another of the Wikidata modules. --Izno (talk) 01:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know what traversing the edges between nodes means. Could the above query can be replicated with reasonable performance and without a major amount of Lua code? -- Green  C  01:58, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No, it's not really feasible to search entries using the functionality exposed at present to Lua via the Wikibase client. There are 15,000,000 entities and 50,000,000 pieces of data, so without access to any form of indexing to query the database, any attempt to look through every item to find everything that matches particular criteria is going to be slow and resource-hungry. What Izno is suggesting is to start with an known item (usually the item connected to the page where the infobox is) and use links from there to read other items, then repeat until you arrive at the result you want. As an example look at the location function in Module:WikidataIB.
 * Starting from and iteratively following :
 * Lua's good for that sort of data manipulation, but you'll still need query-language based software, or similar, to efficiently do searches on the Wikidata database. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think I may have misunderstood the original intent. --Izno (talk) 15:36, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Lua's good for that sort of data manipulation, but you'll still need query-language based software, or similar, to efficiently do searches on the Wikidata database. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think I may have misunderstood the original intent. --Izno (talk) 15:36, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Issue with test case / TemplateStyles
Does anyone know how modules treat TemplateStyles? Test case thought Adjacent stations/sandbox and Adjacent stations/sandbox2, with identical wikitext, were different, but when I removed the TemplateStyles tag on each of them the template said they were the same. Jc86035 (talk) 12:38, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

It's a strip marker issue, but Module:Template test case is supposed to handle strip markers with the  function. Both of the transcluded pages below contain the same content. Jc86035 (talk) 10:12, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

}} Notifying, who wrote the function. Jc86035 (talk) 10:16, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Never mind; this was because the strip marker format was changed in 2015. I've updated the module. Jc86035 (talk) 10:26, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Template:Demo demo_kill_categories alias nocat
I've did this change, but it doesn't seem to work. Can somebody with more Lua knowledge take a look? See example here: User:Andrybak/sandbox/demonocat -- note, that page is added to Category:Wikipedians in Russia, but shouldn't be. still works: User:Andrybak/sandbox/demonocat2. —&#8288;andrybak (talk) 11:27, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * you modified the function, but in this case it is not called, but rather  , which you did not touch. קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 21:45, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, קיפודנחש (aka kipod)! I've added it also to function  —&#8288;andrybak (talk) 17:14, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Calculating moveable dates
The moveable date problem on Wikipedia is extensive. Infoboxes that display dates for a holiday with moveable dates largely need to be updated manually and there are thousands (many don't even bother trying). Currently there are two calculators Module:Easter and both of which I'm integrating into  (see Module:Calendar date/Events). These are good, but there are surprisingly no other calculators available on Wikipedia.

To get a sense how big this problem is, a list of holidays in the United States from a JavaScript program that determine moveable dates. For other countries. Dates can be complex like:


 * Tax Day: On April 15. If a Friday then postpone to next Monday. If Saturday or Sunday then next Tuesday.
 * Administrative Professionals Day: The Wednesday before April 28.

Notably, many of these dates are not calculated by the sun or moon, but by human decree which means they can change arbitrarily and thus need to be easily configured. But even dates that go by celestial guidance have trouble, for example can not accurately calculate dates for 3 of the Hebrew months as they are not fixed to the Gregorian calendar.

So this is a big messy problem with endless edge cases. My sense is we should try to translate a package like date-holidays or Nager.Date into Lua but I have no skills for those source languages. Then there is the argument by Mark Seeman to just store the dates and not do calculations. I'm doing this for certain holidays that can't be calculated eg. Module:Calendar_date/localfiles/Leil_Selichot

If we had a Lua program that could solve for some things, like "2nd sunday in May" or "3rd monday in January" it might go a long way to calculating holidays, and provide a system for building more complex queries like Tax Day. Any thoughts? -- Green  C  14:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Module:Time has a function  used to determine daylight saving time begin/end dates.  The function takes "2nd sunday in May" or "3rd monday in January" and returns (for these examples) the ordinal (2 or 3), the day-in-the-week number (0 or 1) and the month number (5 or 1) or   if the string can't be decoded or is malformed.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:30, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sounds promising will take a look. -- Green  C  16:09, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess you could use Wikidata items like . Jc86035 (talk) 15:30, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * See two threads above - Wikidata would only have separate items pages for moveable holidays that are hard to calculate on Wikidata. For things like "2nd sunday in May" Wikidata can calculate it through a query, so it wouldn't have an item page. And without an item page Lua can't effectively retrieve a query (I think?). Also if a calculator is available locally that is probably going to be preferable to Wikidata. Such as Module:Easter. -- Green  C  16:02, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Is this the sort of functionality you want?
 * It needs some error handling and can be spruced up to return other formats, but it seems to do the job as I understand it. It's adapted from Module:Time per 's pointer. --RexxS (talk) 18:05, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * that is awesome. It will solve a bunch of them. The next question how to take it to the next level and solve for Native American Heritage Day: friday after 4th thursday in November. There are quite a few taking this form. Would this be an addition to the module, or could it be calculated by invoking multiple modules, such as with Module:Date suggested by Johnuniq (in this case adding +1 day to the output of getYearMonthDay). Or maybe RexxS/CalcDate could accept an offset option (-/+) to move the target day around relative eg. calculate for 4th thursday in November and add 1 day. --  Green  C  13:37, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sheesh I apologize for being so uninformed, apparently holiday infobox can already do some data calculations internally, see Patriots' Day. And for Thanksgiving, there is that basically does the same thing. --  Green  C  15:01, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably should focus next on calculators for non-Gregorian -> Gregorian, and otherwise difficult calculators like Easter. Various calendar systems are not currently available. Hindi being the most prevalent but also Japanese and Persian. -- Green  C  15:18, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * It needs some error handling and can be spruced up to return other formats, but it seems to do the job as I understand it. It's adapted from Module:Time per 's pointer. --RexxS (talk) 18:05, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * that is awesome. It will solve a bunch of them. The next question how to take it to the next level and solve for Native American Heritage Day: friday after 4th thursday in November. There are quite a few taking this form. Would this be an addition to the module, or could it be calculated by invoking multiple modules, such as with Module:Date suggested by Johnuniq (in this case adding +1 day to the output of getYearMonthDay). Or maybe RexxS/CalcDate could accept an offset option (-/+) to move the target day around relative eg. calculate for 4th thursday in November and add 1 day. --  Green  C  13:37, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sheesh I apologize for being so uninformed, apparently holiday infobox can already do some data calculations internally, see Patriots' Day. And for Thanksgiving, there is that basically does the same thing. --  Green  C  15:01, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably should focus next on calculators for non-Gregorian -> Gregorian, and otherwise difficult calculators like Easter. Various calendar systems are not currently available. Hindi being the most prevalent but also Japanese and Persian. -- Green  C  15:18, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

The request has been well satisfied but bear in mind that Module:Date can be used by other modules and includes stuff like this. Search Module:Date/example and its talk page for "Friday" to see examples. I never got around to finishing the documentation but Module:Age has more examples of what Module:Date can do. Time zones are not supported. If something is wanted from Module:Date, ask here or at its talk. Johnuniq (talk) 23:18, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Most of it can be done in wikicode... Public holidays in the United Kingdom. Cabayi (talk) 16:11, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Do you have small Lua related tasks suitable for new contributors?
Hi everybody! Google Code-in (GCI) will soon take place again - a seven week long contest for 13-17 year old students to contribute to free software projects. Tasks should take an experienced contributed about two or three hours and can be of the categories Code, Documentation/Training, Outreach/Research, Quality Assurance, and User Interface/Design. Do you have any Lua / template related idea for a task (needs documentation, or some code / code changes) and can imagine enjoying mentoring such a task to help a new contributor? If yes, please check out Google Code-in/2018 and become a mentor! Thanks in advance! --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 13:49, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject College football needs assistance with Lua-based template
WikiProject College football needs assistance with Lua-based templates: Template:CFB schedule and Template:CFB schedule entry based on Module:CFB schedule. We're going to need to make some changes to these templates and also need to make some tweaks to a conversation process for replacing older templates with these newer ones. These templates and the module were developed by User:Frietjes, but she doesn't appear to be able to assist with this any longer. Is there anyone else here well-versed with Lua who can get involved? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 06:39, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * the most recent thread is here and the subsequent changes made in response the thread are [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3ACFB_schedule%2Fconvert&type=revision&diff=858506742&oldid=825692925 here] and [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3ACFB_schedule&type=revision&diff=858042018&oldid=857582324 here]. Frietjes (talk) 12:19, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Frietjes, thanks for those recent edits to the module. I follow the first one regarding the conversion process.  That looks good.  I'm not sure I follow the second edit, which appears to have something to go with the gamename field for the unnamed parameter scheme?  Also, we have another problem, with the named parameter scheme.  Take the table at 1950 Texas A&M Aggies football team as an example.  If you clear out the two entries in the rank column, the poll info in the footer disappears.  But there are still opponent rankings in the opponent column to owhich the poll footer applies.  The poll footer needs to be present in any cases where there are either any rankings or any opponent rankings.  We can also remove the "#" from the heading of the rank column and the footer. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:52, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Can Lua be used to parse a section of one page, change the contents and be transcluded on another page?
Hi there. I'm not familiar with Lua at all, so please forgive me if this sounds obvious. I recently noticed that WPVG announcements is manually updated by a number of dedicated editors to reflect changes from WP:GAN, which basically means translating the values from the templates at WP:GAN#VG to the  templates used in WPVG announcements. Would it be possible for a Lua script to parse the content of the former section, reassign the values to a different template and display those for inclusion in the announcements-template? That way, editors wouldn't have to manually update the template anymore and it'd be always up-to-date. Regards So  Why  07:44, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Although Lua can read the content of a page using the getContent method from the title library and can write text to a page, Lua scripts are run when a page is rendered, so somebody would have to trigger the script by previewing an edit or something similar to do the update. The kind of job you're envisaging is most commonly done by a bot, often running a Python script. I recommend putting in a request at Bot requests where you can get feedback and suggestions on how best to get the results you want. --RexxS (talk) 18:21, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You could probably also do something like this by managing a JSON file or a Lua table, but that's not very wiki-textish. --Izno (talk) 19:04, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * wiki syntax now allows segment transclusing, (explained in Help:Labeled section transclusion and probably in other places also). you could use this to create labeled section in the "source" page, and pass the transclusions are parameters to a template that would then do the conversions. this would make the source page a bit more cumbersome to edit, introducing all the "section begin/section end" tags, but i think it can do what you want. the "conversion template" can use scribunto, or not - it may not be necessary if the conversion code is simple enough. i believe that doing so will solve the issue RexxS mentioned: changes to the "source" page should be reflected automagically in the target page. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 21:29, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, since WP:GAN is managed by a bot, making changes to it is not possible because it will likely break the bot. Since the bot already updates that page, I thought these updates could be translated to WPVG announcements as described. The latter template is used on tens of thousands of talk pages (any talk that uses WPVG in fact), so I assumed the template will be updated often anyway. I'll ask whether a bot could do it instead. Thanks for the replies! Regards So  Why  09:00, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, since WP:GAN is managed by a bot, making changes to it is not possible because it will likely break the bot. Since the bot already updates that page, I thought these updates could be translated to WPVG announcements as described. The latter template is used on tens of thousands of talk pages (any talk that uses WPVG in fact), so I assumed the template will be updated often anyway. I'll ask whether a bot could do it instead. Thanks for the replies! Regards So  Why  09:00, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Incorrect. What is requested here is possible, and in fact relatively easy to implement: I implemented it in Template:WPVG announcements/sandbox. In exactly the same way as pages update when the pages they transclude update, the list will automatically update whenever new good articles are nominated. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 23:02, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Wow, nice work. Thanks! I'll ask if someone has objections to implementing this at WT:VG. Regards So  Why  06:58, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Lua error
Hello everyone, Who can tell me how can i fix this error at ckbwiki? Tap the red text, you will see something. Thank you.ئارام بکر (talk) 21:07, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * One of  or   in:
 * is a string and needs to be a number. You might try, as a first fix:
 * But, were I you, I would translate your local wiki language date/time inputs to their English equivalents before doing any operation on those date/time values and then at the end translate the English result back to your local language. My experience is that Lua and   don't handle non-English language date names and non-western digits well.  Internationalization isn't as easy as one might wish it were.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 21:49, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * But, were I you, I would translate your local wiki language date/time inputs to their English equivalents before doing any operation on those date/time values and then at the end translate the English result back to your local language. My experience is that Lua and   don't handle non-English language date names and non-western digits well.  Internationalization isn't as easy as one might wish it were.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 21:49, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Help with calling String.replace
Hello, I'm new to Lua and trying to create a module (Module:Sandbox/Gonnym/Episode disambiguation description) that takes an article title and returns a formatted style depending on how the article title is written. However, I'm not able to get one String function to work - String.replace - it's not even getting colored green like the other functions I'm using. What I'm trying to do with it, is what Template:PAGENAMEBASE does. I would really appreciate any help (and any other comments) on this. Thank you. --Gonnym (talk) 13:18, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * review the documentation on string.match
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:16, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Timeout on specific settings
I'm in the process of creating a module that can take either 3 or 4 params and produces a short description with those params. When I give it the first 3 params (episode, season and tv series) it works. I've checked it with around 20 calls running on the same page and they all worked fine. When I give it all 4 params (which includes the 4th "yes" param) it times out. I tried debugging it and sent the 3 params again, but made the system act as if the 4th one was sent (just set it manually to true) and it worked for the first 2 calls and timed-out for the others. So code-wise there isn't an error crashing it and the code isn't really long or complex, so I pretty much ran out of ideas what is causing this. Would appreciate if anyone could have a look at it - Module:Sandbox/Gonnym/Episode short discription (ignore the typo in title). --Gonnym (talk) 13:59, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * line 37; function calls itself.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:42, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Trappist! --Gonnym (talk) 16:50, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, I fixed it and it worked for a while but I'm getting this timeout again. If I enter the 3 value option of "23|1|somename" I it works, but if I add the 4th param it fails. So works, while  doesn't. --Gonnym (talk) 17:34, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * the solution is at lines 33 & 35.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 18:01, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! No idea why that would cause a timeout though. Redundant? probably, but it didn't seem breaking. --Gonnym (talk) 18:12, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * when first episode is 23 and second episode is 24 the number of interest is 4. you were testing   and   but not testing  .  the   tests, not knowing what to do with 4, just kept the   looping round and round and round ...
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 18:49, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Totally missed that I forgot to do >=4, thanks again! --Gonnym (talk) 19:55, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Overhead from a generally unused code path
has added a "subst only" code path for generating the list of parameters from a template to the Russian version of Module:Check for unknown parameters (see the generate function in ru:Модуль:Check for unknown parameters). I added this to Module:Check for unknown parameters/sandbox, which seems fine since it's an entirely different code path. but, then I started wondering if there is any significant overhead from having this rarely used code path in the module? would it be better to put it in "Module:Check for unknown parameters/generate" or is there no substantial difference in terms of overhead? thank you. Frietjes (talk) 12:47, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Beyond the amount of time and resources required to read the extra 844 bytes that you added to the module, I would be surprised if there were any noticeable execution time difference between a 1000 iterations of the live module vs the sandbox module. That is an experiment that you can try; use the parser profiling data for comparison.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:34, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Accessing a page's short description (inside infobox) from another page
Hello again. I was trying to access the short description information from an article that uses an auto-generated short description created inside the infobox template used on that page, and use that on a different page. So, "Page A" uses "Template:Infobox x" that has code that generates a short description with Template:Short description. In "Page B", I want to access that data. I tried using Template:Extract short description to access that data, which does indeed work, however, that has a side-effect that since it transcludes the page, it also adds things that should not be there, such as FA/GA ratings and warnings such as Warning: Display title &lt;article name> was ignored since it is not equivalent to the page's actual title. There might be other issues that also come from this. Since this method does not work, I was wondering if anyone can think of another way to access it. --Gonnym (talk) 21:29, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If you know the name of the article you might use a variant of this:
 * For the article Abraham Lincoln, the above, executed from the debug console returns:
 * 16th President of the United States
 * But, caveat here, too many uses of this kind of trick in a single article will cause Lua timeouts.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 21:51, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * That would still be regarded as a transclusion. Using getContent for a couple of small uses might be ok but it's not viable for routine use. Using it on Abraham Lincoln worked easily because that article has short description in the wikitext. Using it at Athens which auto-generates the description would be a lot more challenging. Johnuniq (talk) 01:34, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking maybe there is way to make it work with a workaround with Template:Template parameter value, by adding a silent field to an infobox template and calling it, but so far I couldn't get it to work. Not sure how to pass the short description data to that field. --Gonnym (talk) 06:42, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking maybe there is way to make it work with a workaround with Template:Template parameter value, by adding a silent field to an infobox template and calling it, but so far I couldn't get it to work. Not sure how to pass the short description data to that field. --Gonnym (talk) 06:42, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

At Athens the infobox generates "City in Central Greece, Greece" as the short description. Previewing the following extract from the infobox is enough to reproduce that.

There is no parameter with the description so Template parameter value cannot help. You would need to reproduce the calculations performed by Infobox settlement—calculations that might be changed at any time and which would not apply for other infoboxes. Alternatively, you would need to expand the infobox then somehow extract the description from the resulting mess. In principle that would be easy because the wanted text appears in: City in Central Greece, Greece What is the purpose? There is no viable way to do the required complex operations in a manner that would be reasonable for generating text in another article. Johnuniq (talk) 07:34, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I know that there currently is no parameter with the description. What I'm asking is if after the the description was generated on the first line at Infobox settlement, can it then be added to a new  param (which won't visually show up in the infobox), and then be accessed with Template parameter value? (currently testing this it seems it's not possible as I'm getting the error Lua error in Module:Template_parameter_value at line 43: bad argument #1 to 'gsub' (string expected, got nil).) --Gonnym (talk) 10:02, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Clearly a bug exists in Module:Template parameter value. Pinging the module's author.
 * short_description is inside which is inside .  Module:Template parameter value uses the same trick that I suggested with my Abraham Lincoln example: it read's the article's wiki source.  If you can't see short_description in the article wiki source, then Module:Template parameter value won't be able to see it either.
 * So how about this. Extract the infobox template from the article source (not necessarily an easy task because of nested templates – left as an exercise for the reader).  Then call the syntaxhighlight parser function with the infobox wikitext as the argument:
 * So how about this. Extract the infobox template from the article source (not necessarily an easy task because of nested templates – left as an exercise for the reader).  Then call the syntaxhighlight parser function with the infobox wikitext as the argument:
 * So how about this. Extract the infobox template from the article source (not necessarily an easy task because of nested templates – left as an exercise for the reader).  Then call the syntaxhighlight parser function with the infobox wikitext as the argument:


 * which returns:
 * from which you can get your short description.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 12:45, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I'd suggest using JavaScript rather than Lua at present for this sort of job because it can access the API to read the generated descriptions directly. That avoids all of the messing about.
 * Looking forward, I know there are obvious security concerns for Scribunto, but I think it might be worth making a case for asking for the API (or part of it, maybe 'read-only') to be exposed to Scribunto, so we could read something like https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=description&titles=Alan_Turing as a Lua object. That would make a lot of jobs much more feasible if we could make a proper case for it. --RexxS (talk) 13:53, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * That does indeed make it much more easier. Is it possible for JavaScript and a Lua module to pass data to one another? Is there some sort of documentation I can read that someone can point me to? I don't know JS but maybe I'll be able to understand how to make it work. --Gonnym (talk) 14:16, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Javascript runs on the reader's browser, does it not? So whatever js script you might write has to somehow be made available to every reader who reads any page that would need that js script which means, I think, that the js script must be made part of whatever js MediaWiki includes with every page rendering.
 * I do not know of any connection between Lua and js – they operate at different times; Lua modules are processed (by the MediaWiki servers) when you save or refresh a page, js is processed (by your browser) when you view the rendered (cached) page.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:54, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If a user needs to install something then that isn't a viable idea, so its back to try and find the pattern to find the infobox in the article text. --Gonnym (talk) 15:29, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe the idea is to put it in MediaWiki:Common.js which is loaded for all pages. Frietjes (talk) 16:01, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If you know the name of the infobox then once you have the Wikisource :
 * If a user needs to install something then that isn't a viable idea, so its back to try and find the pattern to find the infobox in the article text. --Gonnym (talk) 15:29, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe the idea is to put it in MediaWiki:Common.js which is loaded for all pages. Frietjes (talk) 16:01, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If you know the name of the infobox then once you have the Wikisource :

local ibox_start = string.find (content, '{{%s*' .. ibox_name) 		-- find the start of {{Infobox ...; ibox_name is a pattern that accepts various legit spacing and capitalization ... local ibox_text = string.match (content, '%b{}', ibox_start)				-- ibox_start points to first { of the infobox template
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 16:37, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Did we solve the transcluding issue with "mw.title.new ('Abraham Lincoln'):getContent" or was there another way to get the wikisource that I missed? --Gonnym (talk) 17:12, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. You will notice that I added a   directive to your User:Gonnym/sandbox/tests2.  Here, we fetch the  template from your test page's wiki source, stir, and pour out this:
 * {{#invoke:Sandbox/trappist the monk/tag2|tag|User:Gonnym/sandbox/tests2}}
 * From that you can get the short description. I do not get any display title warning messages when I preview this page.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 18:25, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I tried it with an article from my previous tests which I got an error with before and I still get it with this code - The End (Lost). It currently does not have a short description (but not sure that has any impact on the error). Might have to do with articles that are disambiguated. --Gonnym (talk) 08:16, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * What did you try? What were the steps?  What error did you get?  Where can I see this error without my having to do the sleuthing work to noodle it out?
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 08:45, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry for being unclear. I just changed the article name to the title I mentioned {{#invoke:Sandbox/trappist the monk/tag2|tag|The End (Lost)}} and the error being the one previously stated {{tq|Warning: Display title "User:Gonnym/sandbox/tests2" was ignored since it is not equivalent to the page's actual title.}} --Gonnym (talk) 09:56, 28 September 2018 (UTC) Seems I had unused code that caused that. Bug not part of your code. --Gonnym (talk) 09:58, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I've ran into an issue. The output from your code encloses the tag in   which causes the pattern to fail to match. If I remove the tag it works. I'm assuming this somehow causes the code to stop treating it as plain text. I tried using string.replace to replace the "pre" tag, but that didn't work. Any ideas? (pattern template can be found {User:Gonnym/sandbox/tests1) --Gonnym (talk) 11:31, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I've tweaked tag2 so that it returns the shortdescription text:
 * {{#invoke:Sandbox/trappist the monk/tag2|tag|User:Gonnym/sandbox/tests2}}
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:22, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * As always, you are a star! Thank you very much! :) --Gonnym (talk) 15:53, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:22, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * As always, you are a star! Thank you very much! :) --Gonnym (talk) 15:53, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

I've now noticed that the output of  is incorrect (it shows on that page "4th episode of the fifth season of lost", while the result from the invoke shows "A television episode"). It's showing the default description in case there is no data filled in the infobox. Maybe using  in the infobox didn't work? --Gonnym (talk) 23:00, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * These parameters are getting to tag2:
 * but aren't coming out of .  Probably just need to massage the parameters a bit before passing them to  .  I'll do some experimenting tomorrow.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 00:52, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * → {{#invoke:Sandbox/trappist the monk/tag2|extract_short_description|User:Gonnym/sandbox/tests2|infobox television episode/sandbox}}
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:28, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Amazing! Thanks again! --Gonnym (talk) 11:31, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * On my sandbox page I have an {{tlx|infobox television episode/sandbox}} that has {{para|series| {{lang|de|lost}} }}. I did that because editors will assign templated values to infobox parameters:
 * → {{#invoke:Sandbox/trappist the monk/tag2|extract_short_description|User:trappist the monk/sandbox|infobox television episode/sandbox}}
 * Float your mouse-pointer over lost in the rendering above and you should get a 'German language text' tooltip. Editors will also wikilink infobox parameters.  If I write {{para|episode| 44 }} in the infobox, I get 'An episode of the forty-fifth season of {{lang|de|lost}}'.  I don't know what the rules are (if there are any) for short description text, but if wiki markup and templated data are acceptable then perhaps your module should accept wikilinked values for {{para|episode}}, {{para|season}}, and {{para|series_no}}?  Or, perhaps, the infobox and its documentation should be modified to prohibit wikilinking of these parameters.
 * {{para|short_description| {{Short description/test}} }} in {{tld|infobox television episode/sandbox}} is not required, right?
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 12:15, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Per Short description, nothing in the description should be linked. Per the specific MoS guidelines in my case, those entries should also not be wikilinked. I'm ok with them failing as that means someone will fix a much larger issue first, but good find. I want to see how exactly it fails so nothing breaks. And yes, that isn't needed if your code doesn't use it. That was me trying to find a way to access the data. --Gonnym (talk) 12:25, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, doubled-checked and one param can actually be wikilinked and pipped, so thanks for raising that issue! --Gonnym (talk) 16:55, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Per Short description, nothing in the description should be linked. Per the specific MoS guidelines in my case, those entries should also not be wikilinked. I'm ok with them failing as that means someone will fix a much larger issue first, but good find. I want to see how exactly it fails so nothing breaks. And yes, that isn't needed if your code doesn't use it. That was me trying to find a way to access the data. --Gonnym (talk) 12:25, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, doubled-checked and one param can actually be wikilinked and pipped, so thanks for raising that issue! --Gonnym (talk) 16:55, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Request Lua module for removing/striping leading zeros
Hello there! I am not familiar with Lua, but I would like to invoke a module for Template:SEHK to remove all leading zeros. This is needed as the template uses the numerical stock code inputted and replaces the value inside the stock exchange URL. The problem is that SEHK tickers are often reported in the English media with leading zeros (making it up to 4 digits, such as "0001" rather than just "1") The current stock website does not support leading zeros, hence redirecting to an error site. I was wondering if anyone here experienced with Lua can help with this issue? It has been affecting a wide range of Hong Kong stock exchange-listed articles. Cheers –Wefk423 (talk) 18:49, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It's easy enough to write a module to use the Lua function, but it's probably simpler to use the magic word  . For example,   gives . HTH --RexxS (talk) 19:09, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Expr seems really reasonable considering the other alternative of Module:String (finding regex 00+ and replacing with nothing). Template:Trim exists. Expr emits an NAN if the input is bad, no? --Izno (talk) 19:26, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. I have added the magic word  to the template to resolve the error webpage issue for now. But I do think that such module (with usage tutorial) can be created as other templates might also need to strip leading zeros. It seems like a fast and easy way, especially for users who don't know how to use magic words. –Wefk423 (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It throws an error for me:  →
 * If you want to control the errors, then a Lua module starts to become attractive:
 * Usage: HTH. --RexxS (talk) 19:40, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for the great suggestion on customizing the error message by using this Lua module. It is currently live at Module:Leading zeros and has also been implemented in Template:SEHK. Way much better than the red bold message which will look terrible in a infobox. When inputting a non-numeric value, it will now appear as "SEHK: Incorrect". How do you think? Cheers! –Wefk423 (talk) 00:21, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That seems to do the job for you. If you re-use the module in other applications, you can trap the error word "Incorrect" with an test in the template, which will allow you to take different actions when the input is not a number.
 * One other thing (in your documentation): I would encourage everyone not to use to separate items in a list (see MOS:NOBR. Using ubl, especially in an infobox, is much better because it creates a real list that is much more useful for screen readers. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 09:33, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I don't really catch that. Which documentation are you refering to? I don't seem to find any list. Nevermind, I found it! I've edited the documentation of the template . Thanks and cheers –Wefk423 (talk) 16:32, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That seems to do the job for you. If you re-use the module in other applications, you can trap the error word "Incorrect" with an test in the template, which will allow you to take different actions when the input is not a number.
 * One other thing (in your documentation): I would encourage everyone not to use to separate items in a list (see MOS:NOBR. Using ubl, especially in an infobox, is much better because it creates a real list that is much more useful for screen readers. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 09:33, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I don't really catch that. Which documentation are you refering to? I don't seem to find any list. Nevermind, I found it! I've edited the documentation of the template . Thanks and cheers –Wefk423 (talk) 16:32, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I don't really catch that. Which documentation are you refering to? I don't seem to find any list. Nevermind, I found it! I've edited the documentation of the template . Thanks and cheers –Wefk423 (talk) 16:32, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Another way to strip leading 0's in a string:  -- Matroc (talk) 08:31, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * and of course, the original suggestion by RexxS, using #expr is still valid, and prolly the simplest... handling errors is no biggy - just enclose in #iferror, like so (presuming the thing you want to strip is in param 1): - peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 15:26, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Module:Leading zeros has been nominated for deletion. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 14:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Overload Template:Bicolor (Commons)
Can someone please convert c:Template:Bicolor into a module? PS: I mean this would be a perfect reason for conversion. The idea of optimizing is also to omit  with an existing color table. → User: Perhelion 11:15, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This is being discussed at c:Template talk:Bicolor. No good method. Johnuniq (talk) 00:42, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * @Johnuniq what do you mean? The discussion comes from here...
 * ✅ → User: Perhelion 18:05, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I suspect that John meant that all of the solutions available suffer from some issue, such as expensive calls or size of rendered text, that makes them less than ideal in his (and in my) opinion. We have a solution of sorts, but I'm not 100% satisfied with it. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 18:43, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That's right although my "no good method" comment was before I had seen your clever solution. I think a bot would be needed to handle more combinations. Johnuniq (talk) 02:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That's right although my "no good method" comment was before I had seen your clever solution. I think a bot would be needed to handle more combinations. Johnuniq (talk) 02:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Pages where template include size is exceeded
to remove Émerson Leão from Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded I created navboxes top and navboxes bottom. the implementation is definitely a hack, but could be improved by adding new functionality to Module:navbox. I don't think the problem is being caused by the tracking because navboxes/sandbox has no appended tracking and shows the same issue in preview. does anyone have any other ideas for addressing the problem, or is the top/bottom approach the only way? Frietjes (talk) 15:48, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Fix the root problem, which is Sports Navboxes in general? :) --Izno (talk) 16:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Frietjes may remember Football manager history which I refactored to use Module:Football manager history two years ago. Some preliminary discussion was here. I remember some other discussion was pretty indifferent about the module because quite a few participants felt that the enormous navboxes were way over the top and should be removed rather than fixed. The module drastically reduces the template expansion size because it processes everything once only. In the old system, nested template calls meant that each resulting line was counted three or four times because it was passed from template to template. Possibly the same approach would fix templates like Brazil squad 1970 FIFA World Cup which uses National squad which uses navbox. It might be straight forward based on the existing module, or looking at the details might show a bunch of work would be needed. Johnuniq (talk) 06:57, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Johnuniq, good suggestion. that fixed the problem for United States men's national soccer team, but did not fix Émerson Leão and Belgium national football team. unless there is another one that can be reduced in size, I am considering refactoring Template:Navboxes to use   and  .  the hack in Module:navboxes could be improved, but this would fix the problem for those two articles (and probably many others). Frietjes (talk) 15:06, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Module:Infobox
I'm trying to understand Module:Infobox and see if the code there allows another infobox module to send it values and for it to return the required sub-infobox, but since it lacks in documentation, I can't seem to figure this out (it seems me that it doesn't support what I want). What I'm looking for is something similar to what fr.wiki has with fr:Module: Infobox. If anyone can help me figure this out, would really appreciate this. --Gonnym (talk) 13:04, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about embedding one infobox inside another?
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:12, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * No. What I'm trying to do (which is available in the french version) is to create a very small infobox module (in terms of code) which only lists the parameters it gets from a user (fr:Module:Infobox/Tapis persan), which then sends it to the main module (Module:Infobox), which it is responsible for actually building it. Basically eliminating all the code currently in the infobox templates. --Gonnym (talk) 13:19, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * As we currently have far more active editors familiar with template syntax than with Lua code, is it a good idea at present to shift so much of the development and maintenance of infoboxes onto a much smaller group? --RexxS (talk) 13:59, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That is neither my call nor my intention, but I also don't believe that not testing better options just because not enough people can add to it, is correct either. Also, the french example I've linked to seems much easier to code than any infobox I've seen, including the need to keep that awful numbering system which forces you to change so many lines, if you need to add a new row somewhere at the top. --Gonnym (talk) 14:13, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You may find User:Frietjes/infoboxgap.js useful in dealing with that awful numbering system. --RexxS (talk) 14:39, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm aware the module is currently inaccessible from other Lua modules (the p.infobox function only accepts values from a frame object), although might be able to say otherwise. You might want to fiddle a bit with the p.infobox function in a sandbox to see how it'll let you input data from another module.
 * Parts of enwiki also have a weird thing for discouraging any more Lua modules than absolutely necessary because most editors can only read wikicode and therefore can't debug modules, although I do think the frwiki approach would have benefits for some templates like Singles (which already uses its own Lua module). Jc86035 (talk) 15:21, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't believe it will let me, but no harm in playing a bit with it. Also, I don't understand how anyone can read this code Template:Infobox album (the part before the actual start of the infobox code) and even more think that it's easier to read than Lua. --Gonnym (talk) 18:10, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * My fault, because I wrote that part of the template. Most of the reason it's so complicated is because I was trying to replace and format about seven different templates' parameters by allowing their replacement through template substitution (example) and for some reason I thought it would be a good idea to do the formatting with parser functions and Module:String. If you take out the part between  and   (the part that formats the parameters) then it starts to look a little more like it was written by a normal sensible person. Jc86035 (talk) 18:18, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

It's generally not too difficult to make Scribunto functions available to other modules. If you want to make  available in a simple form, you can check what is used from the frame object, say   and , then amend the function definition be to something like  , and use   and   in place of   and   within the function. Finally write to recreate the function that uses the frame object for use with #invoke. The  will be available from

There are alternative ways, for example passing a single table of parameters instead of each one individually (useful when there are lots of parameters), but the general principle is the same. --RexxS (talk) 22:05, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that will work with a bit of moving around the meat of that function into the _function, but from what I can tell from the code, the infobox is eventually still waiting for values in the form of how an infobox template keeps them, and not in an easy to code FR style. --Gonnym (talk) 22:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

teach Module:Graph some new tricks
background (long story - safe to skip): back in 2013, i created Module:Chart, to display bar and pie charts.

my motivation was mainly to make adding charts easier: the various charting templates that existed were limited (e.g., pie chart had max of 6 slices), none support "stacked" bar charts, and more importantly, they all used cumbersome (IMO) and inconvenient way of passing parameters: instead of, e.g., delimited list of numbers for each series, you had to pass a separate parameter for each data point, with different convention for each template. (there's a whole slew of other charts, using the "timeline" extension - those are even more difficult to use, and produce ugly charts, IMO).

(irrelevant, but interesting tidbit): this module uses an arcane and esoteric feature of html to display pie charts (which i copied from the brilliant template that already existed), exploiting the "border" element, giving it width and colors, and using the fact that 2 sides of html "border" are connected with a "bevel": by separately controlling the width of each side, you control the angle of the bevel, then you color one of the sides with he desired color, leave the other transparent, repeat for each segment of the pie, stacked on top of each other, do it separately for each of the 4 quarters of the axis system, and finish it all by covering the whole jumble with a circle, having transparent interior and white exterior. bizarre to the point perversion, and at the same time brilliant. the most amazing thing about it is the fact that it actually works...

anywhoo, several years later, the "graph" extension was introduced (mw:Extension:Graph), and some time later, User:Mps created Module:Graph (maybe elsewhere (dewiki?), and imported to enwiki - not sure). some time after that, Template:Graph:Chart was created. at this point, my 2013 "chart" module became obsolete, but people are still using it.
 * relevant part:

so here is (finally) my actual request: there are some legit requests on Module talk:Chart, to which i usually respond "you should use the new stuff". the latest such request, asked for horizontal bar chart, which neither module supports. i have no doubt the "graph" extension can easily do it, but unfortunately, Module:Graph does not provide horizontal bar charts. can someone pick the challenge, and teach this module to draw horizontal bar charts? and, maybe, while you are at it, also teach it to do scatter chart?

peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 16:55, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Navbox with collapsible groups
can someone help me debug Module:Navbox with collapsible groups which is being called through Template:Navbox with collapsible groups/sandbox? in particular, see Template:Navbox with collapsible groups/testcases. for debugging, I have appended the values of the 'sargs' which are used to build the subgroups, and I appended the values of 'targs' which is passed through Navbox._navbox to build the final result. the values for the sargs and the targs look great, but the actual navbox output has the academics group repeated 4 times :( I have never seen this pathology before.  thank you! Frietjes (talk) 16:27, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * update, [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Navbox_with_collapsible_groups&diff=prev&oldid=865586524 this edit] appears to fix the problem. so, going through the template interface for the child boxes, instead of going through the module interface.  I think it would be better to go through the module interface, and I have no idea why that doesn't work. Frietjes (talk) 21:05, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I started looking at this but then I saw you were still working on it. Please post again if there is something specific I could look at. Johnuniq (talk) 04:15, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Johnuniq, I found the problem in Module:Navbox,  was being initialized globally, but not emptied at the top of , so each time you call the   it just appends more lists to  .  it looks like [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Navbox/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=865674706 this fixes the problem].  I don't see any other entry points into the module, other than   and   so it looks like it is safe to initialize listnums at the top of   instead.  Frietjes (talk) 13:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That looks good. I vaguely remember some oddities about the module from the time I jumped into it. I would prefer to get rid of those effectively global variables at the top of the module but the refactoring effort might not be worth it. Johnuniq (talk) 09:33, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Module error on Syrian Civil War map
I've noted what seems to be a strange bug on the module maps at Talk:Cities and towns during the Syrian Civil War. If someone who has more experience with module programming and such could take a look, that'd be great. (This was originally posted on VPT, but someone pointed out in an unrelated section that this is usually where Module questions are asked.) Thanks, ansh 666 21:22, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The above was posted at 00:45, 6 November 2018 and it looks as if the issue has been resolved according to the latest at the above talk link. Johnuniq (talk) 02:43, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Improving Template:Code
I'm wondering if it's feasible to re-do, a wrapper for syntaxhighlight, in such a way that some parameter, perhaps y, could pre-filter and convert some of the input before it reaches the underlying process. [Inserting a code snippet for example purposes below: .] — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:12, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The issue: Sometimes it is not desirable to feed this template something literal. E.g., if you do (without the closing tag for the span), then anyone using the edit-mode wikimarkup syntax highlighter by Remember_the_dot, available at Special:Preferences and thus our most frequently used highlighter, will have their syntax highlighting in the editing window boogered by what Remember_the_dot's syntax highlighter sees as a real open and not-yet-closed  rather than as template content. [If you use that highlighter, and are reading this in edit mode, you should see this effect now, caused by the snippet I inserted before this bullet list. Most of my entire post should have a pink background as unclosed code content when it really is not.]
 * And one cannot escape this with  to encode the exmaple span's leading &lt; symbol; all input received by  is treated as a literal.
 * This also makes it impossible to do something like to emphasize something in the markup.
 * The idea: Use Lua and a table of entities and of select wikimarkup to pre-filter (and possibly post-filter) the content before (and maybe after) it hits :
 * Pre-filter so that things like &lt; can be escaped in the visible wikitext with, converted to &lt;, then passed to the parser function.
 * Possibly also tokenize a few things like ... and ... markup so they can be operated on after the fact:
 * Post-filter to de-tokenize those bits and actually perform their intent. Ideally this would also include  so that variables within code can be marked up as such (lack of ability to do that is a serious flaw in ).
 * Unfortunately, post-filtering is impossible as the output from is not exposed to lua other than as an opaque strip marker. Pre-filtering could be done trivially using Module:String and/or Module:MultiReplace without creating a new lua module.  &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 11:31, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Correction: Post-filtering is not technically impossible, only impossible to do without relying heavily on undocumented implementation details of the SyntaxHighlight extension, which seems like it's not a good idea to do for such a heavily used template. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 22:22, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I should have known better than to call something impossible. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 22:25, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, what I suggested was that "some parameter, perhaps y, could pre-filter", so it sounds like you're telling me that the problem I'm reporting is in fact easily fixable.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:10, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

How do you look up which pages are directly calling given module?
I am looking for ways of tracking which pages directly call some module, in case I am altering the module interface. For example I have some Module:X intended to be accessed through Template:X and I would like to check if any other templates, modules or other pages call it. Special:WhatLinksHere with namespace filter is great but it is swamped by 'indirect calls through template. One can compare Special:WhatLinksHere for Module:X and Template:X and look for the differences, but that also mostly has pages which are there for unexplained reason. I only want to find pages with " " so maybe I should write SQL query to look for that in page text? Or is there an easier way? --Jarekt (talk) 17:39, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Enter  in the search box. Click "Everything" to find results in all namespaces. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:52, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If I go to Special:Search, then pick the namespaces and search for something like, I can find the pages that invoke WikidataIB. You'll probably be able to adapt that for what you need. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 18:04, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * is an expensive regex search which shouldn't be used alone per mw:Help:CirrusSearch. A normal  search works fine here unless the module name often occurs after the word "invoke" in normal English text. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:16, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * As you don't know whether there are space characters between "invoke:" and the module name, your search will miss those. You need a regex to find all of them in one search. As usual, the documentation on mediawiki is a long way from realistic, and these sort of simple searches execute rapidly without problems.
 * If you feel you have to use a search domain to use the regex on, then something like  will do the job almost instantly. --RexxS (talk) 19:11, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I prefer to limit it to "hastemplate:"Module:X" insource:/invoke:\s*X/". --Izno (talk) 19:13, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * also finds cases with spaces and it's simple. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:21, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right and I was wrong: your search works. The colon character is treated as greyspace, so of course it will also match, etc. But as you say, that's almost certainly not going to be a common expression in prose (unless you write a module called "BRD"). Cheers --RexxS (talk) 01:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks all for your help! --Jarekt (talk) 19:27, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Knowing if being called from a disambiguation page
If a template/module needs to know if it is being invoked from a disambiguation page (without user input), is searching the page for the Disambiguation template (and redirects) the way to go, or is there another way? --Gonnym (talk) 23:54, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It's pretty ugly, but searching the page content is all that's possible, I think. That's what I did at c:Module:Countries in function . It seems to be pretty fast. It was pointed out to me that I missed a few infrequently used redirects/templates but I thought targeting the main ones was good enough. Johnuniq (talk) 00:09, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the answer and for the code reference! --Gonnym (talk) 12:12, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Doesn't  give you that answer?
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:05, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Tested it out and no. It makes sense as redirect is not the same as disambiguation I guess. --Gonnym (talk) 13:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Doh! brain fart. nevermind.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does know which pages are disambiguation pages though. It doesn't look like there is a method exposed in the Lua api but that would be a pretty reasonable request for Phabricator. --Izno (talk) 17:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does know which pages are disambiguation pages though. It doesn't look like there is a method exposed in the Lua api but that would be a pretty reasonable request for Phabricator. --Izno (talk) 17:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Lua "Beta" template
What is the template to say in Lua documentation: "This module is beta status/quality"? (alpha, etc). -DePiep (talk) 12:35, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Found: Module rating - DePiep (talk) 12:41, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

How can one track module dependencies
I am wandering is there some way of tracking module dependencies. Let me give an example, on commons we have c:Module:Fallback which according to Special:MostTranscludedPages is used on 44M pages, including many other modules like my c:Module:Artwork or RexxS' c:Module:WikidataIB. c:Module:Fallback implements mostly retired language fallback mechanism and should not be part of many of other Modules, so I am curious how those dependencies sneak in. Is there some tool or approach to track it down? --Jarekt (talk) 21:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You might try this kind of search in the module namespace:
 * →
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 12:32, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Following up from 's tip above, searching for  finds them plus a couple of extras like  . There are few enough of those to manually pick the ones that interest you. --RexxS (talk) 13:37, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * c:Module:Fallback is used by couple abandon and unused modules and by subtemplates of c:Module:Wikidata (used on 2M pages), so 44M uses is a mistery as I can not find templates that use it either. --Jarekt (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * c:Module:Fallback is used by couple abandon and unused modules and by subtemplates of c:Module:Wikidata (used on 2M pages), so 44M uses is a mistery as I can not find templates that use it either. --Jarekt (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Validating date parameter is in a Template:Start date
I have a template which the documentation asks for the date parameter to be in a Start date template. The template code is in the template namespace and is not a module. I'm trying to add a tracking cat to it in the situations where the date is not in that format. I've tried using Str sub find and also invoking String.find directly, but can't get this to work. This fails either because of the "|" character, which I can escape in the static target value with |, but I'm not sure how to handle the user-entered value; or it fails because of the template itself. Alternatively, if there is a better option, I'm open to that as well.

Example code:
 * -> --Gonnym (talk) 10:34, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know if this would help (I have not investigated your issue), but extract can parse dates. Problem: It checks the date for validity and people often make mistakes such as 31 April so the result might cause clutter.
 * Johnuniq (talk) 22:10, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * This might work, but I'm running into issues with it:
 * Johnuniq (talk) 22:10, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * This might work, but I'm running into issues with it:
 * Johnuniq (talk) 22:10, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * This might work, but I'm running into issues with it:


 * February 24, 1993 → February 24, 1993
 * Any idea? This might be because Start date "also includes duplicate, machine-readable date (or date-time) in the ISO date format (which is hidden by CSS), for use inside other templates (or table rows) which emit microformats". --Gonnym (talk) 12:18, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm not sure this would really solve my issue, as it will accept correctly formatted dates, but not those using the template, which is a requirement. --Gonnym (talk) 12:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Your problem rests on the fact that the parser will expand the template Start date before passing its value to your template. Perhaps something like this will be usable:
 * That accepts invalid dates as well, but still discriminates between having a template that has those microformats and one that doesn't. Obviously, you pass as the first parameter. --RexxS (talk) 14:24, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Just to help check: Let's say you were looking for the parameter airdate in Template:Infobox television episode. You could search all articles on:
 * to find 9,240 occurrences; then on:
 * to find 3,775 that have the start date template; and on:
 * to find 5,674 that don't have a template.
 * shows 5,648 articles. --RexxS (talk) 16:14, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I always like to point out that insource:"name of template" is more fragile compared to hastemplate:"Infobox television episode", which catches all transclusions (some 120 through pass-through templates in this case). (I think I did that recently with you--just a friendly reminder.) It's also less expensive for the search in the event you have multiple templates with a single core template (as with the citation module for example). (I think it's marginally less expensive than an insource search even without regex but I could be wrong about that.) --Izno (talk) 17:18, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder, . I never spend enough time optimising searches and suchlike, and I'd be astonished if hastemplate: wasn't more efficient and less expensive than insource: when looking for templates. Cheers, --RexxS (talk) 23:07, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Just to help check: Let's say you were looking for the parameter airdate in Template:Infobox television episode. You could search all articles on:
 * to find 9,240 occurrences; then on:
 * to find 3,775 that have the start date template; and on:
 * to find 5,674 that don't have a template.
 * shows 5,648 articles. --RexxS (talk) 16:14, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I always like to point out that insource:"name of template" is more fragile compared to hastemplate:"Infobox television episode", which catches all transclusions (some 120 through pass-through templates in this case). (I think I did that recently with you--just a friendly reminder.) It's also less expensive for the search in the event you have multiple templates with a single core template (as with the citation module for example). (I think it's marginally less expensive than an insource search even without regex but I could be wrong about that.) --Izno (talk) 17:18, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder, . I never spend enough time optimising searches and suchlike, and I'd be astonished if hastemplate: wasn't more efficient and less expensive than insource: when looking for templates. Cheers, --RexxS (talk) 23:07, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

- I've used your code and it works and I've also found another template that does it. However, posnq will fail if any text is placed before Start date (which technically is good, but not the way I'd like to catch "abnormal" additions, as that will include other cases) so hard-codding the result to "75" is a bit fragile here. I'm pretty sure if the template was in lua, this whole process would have been easier and cleaner. --Gonnym (talk) 10:29, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * str find0:  →
 * str find0:  →
 * posnq ok:  →
 * posnq fail:  →
 * Template:Posnq is designed to return nothing if no match is found, so you only need to use an #if to test (since #if treats nothing as false and anything else as true):
 * All you need to do is add:
 * to the template in its tracking category section. --RexxS (talk) 14:40, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks RexxS, works great! --Gonnym (talk) 10:48, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * All you need to do is add:
 * to the template in its tracking category section. --RexxS (talk) 14:40, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks RexxS, works great! --Gonnym (talk) 10:48, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks RexxS, works great! --Gonnym (talk) 10:48, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Mystery script errors on Wikidata
Wikidata has 4K pages with d:Category:Pages_with_script_errors. Pages like d:Talk:Q100 where I can see the error details in html ( in but not on the page itself. How do we debug such cases? --Jarekt (talk) 04:09, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That is a really weird one. The error (translated from the HTML source) is:

Lua error: bad argument #1 to 'getAllStatements' (string expected, got nil). in function "error" libraryUtil.lua:11: in function "checkType" mw.wikibase.lua:151: ? (tail call): ? Module:Wikidata:581: in function "getClaims" Module:Wikidata/utils:44: ? (tail call): ? mw.lua:511: ?
 * Something is going wrong during the expansion of . Interestingly, editing d:Talk:Q100 shows its contents is  and previewing the edit (without changing anything) shows d:Category:Pages with script errors at the bottom. However, replacing the contents with  and previewing shows there is no error category. Near the bottom of the preview page is "Lua logs" with some mumbo jumbo that I suspect is internal to mw.wikibase although I can't find it. Previewing  shows a much longer log corresponding to the longer tree of "parent classes". The "1>=10" stuff might be a log of a binary search? Or a sort? I don't have time to look more at the moment. If someone doesn't crack it soon, a developer might be needed. Johnuniq (talk) 06:44, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I put a temporary test in d:Module:Wikidata (preview only) and confirmed that everything works at line 581 which is the fail point in the error above. That is,  and   are always strings. That makes me think that a developer is needed. Johnuniq (talk) 06:55, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * @Jarekt: I think I fixed the problem with an edit at d:Template:Item documentation. Try refreshing or purging affected pages and the errors might go away. Johnuniq (talk) 10:10, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Johnuniq Thanks a lot for looking into it. I spent a while scrathing my head trying to figure it out. The number of pages in d:Category:Pages with script errors is now 448, down from 4k. So your elagant fix of the template worked. --Jarekt (talk) 02:54, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

New parameter for Module:Article history
I proposed adding a parameter to Template:Article history (which merely invokes Module:Article history). There was no support or opposition to it after the requisite amount of time, and it was a relatively minor edit, so I would have gone ahead and implemented it myself. However, I do not know Lua. Could someone who does assist with this task (described at the template's talk page), which involves: (1) creating a new parameter and (2) tweaking the target of one of the wikilinks displayed by the template? Thanks in advance.  Ergo Sum  02:53, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Ordinal numbers
Hi. I want to add a function to the Dates module on Azerbaijani Wikipedia to create categories automatically. They are mandatory because of the Azerbaijani grammar. Formula will be year+ordinal number suffix, the word "ildə" which means "in year" and the rest will be dependents.

The ordinal suffixes are, 0-cı (not mandatory), 1-ci, 2-ci, 3-cü, 4-cü, 5-ci, 6-cı, 7-ci, 8-ci, 9-cu, 10-cu (the last digits are repeated), 20-ci, 30-cu, 40-cı, 50-ci, 60-cı, 70-ci, 80-ci, 90-cı, 100-cü... (hundreds are -cü), 1000-ci (thousands are -ci).

For the catogories they would be like Category:2018-ci ildə vəfat edənlər, Category:1976-cı ildə vəfat edənlər, Category:1900-cü ildə yarananlar.

Please help if interested. Thank you!--Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 11:21, 5 December 2018 (UTC)


 * If I've understood properly, here are some tests using Module:Sandbox/RexxS/Ordinal:
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are those correct? You can use the local function in your own module. Obviously you can add on "Category:", " ildə", and the rest of the wording as needed. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

this was the exact function i tried to create, but failed obviously. I tested a lot of different numbers, it works how it should. Thank you for sparing your time and helping!--Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 17:05, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

excuse me, i faced a little bit of a trouble. Could you help me? I want to integrate inYear parameter to the ordinal one.

Categories part:

The result is obvious, 2018 ildə vəfat edənlər. Or i would be happy if you took a look at the module, and an example of an article is Corc Herbert Uoker Buş and the module is Dates.
 * I'm sorry, but I don't understand enough about how the Azerbaijani language works to see what is wrong with Corc Herbert Uoker Buş. Can you explain in simple terms what output you need and what output you are getting? --RexxS (talk) 01:04, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The problem is the category. I implemented wikidata on the templates, and trying to adapt modules to our language. On the article you will see the red categories, they are not how they should be. For example, it shouldn't be 1924 ildə doğulanlar, it should be 1924-cü ildə doğulanlar which means people born in 1924. You created the algorithm for the suffixes. The main purpose of that was to implement them into categories, but i failed. This is the string in which the ordinal system will be implemented:
 * The problem is the category. I implemented wikidata on the templates, and trying to adapt modules to our language. On the article you will see the red categories, they are not how they should be. For example, it shouldn't be 1924 ildə doğulanlar, it should be 1924-cü ildə doğulanlar which means people born in 1924. You created the algorithm for the suffixes. The main purpose of that was to implement them into categories, but i failed. This is the string in which the ordinal system will be implemented:

By the way, b.e.ə means means BC, which is shown in the module. Cheers!--Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 05:39, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I've amended az:Module:Dates so that it returns the ordinal instead of the cardinal for the year in the InYear function, but I don't see any change on Corc Herbert Uoker Buş. That might be a caching issue, so I looked at some others: Mustafa Kamal Atatürk and Əli Xamenei both seem to have correct categories, but my translation skills are not sufficient to get much further. Could you look at some articles that you know use the Dates module and see if they are right now, please? P.S. I'm not sure I have put the "b.e.ə" in the right place, could you check that as well, please? Cheers --RexxS (talk) 16:43, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you for your edit on the module. The categories in some other articles are correct, because they are not added by the module, but a template. For example, if you remove (which means date of birth and age), you will see the data will be filled by wikidata, and its category will be shown incorrectly (the year one). It means, the problem directly comes from the last string which is highlighted in my previous reply. if Kateqoriya: .. inYear( ny ) ..  ildə  .. categoryNamePrefix ..  would be changed into a correct one, they will work perfectly. Cheers!--Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 06:32, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The problem was that the function inYear needed to be local to the Module:Dates, otherwise somewhere else another version of the function was being used which only returned the year. I've fixed that and now it's correctly using the ordinal function and the categories on Corc Herbert Uoker Buş are blue-linked. Would you check some other articles to make sure it's working properly, please? It especially needs to check someone with a date "b.e.ə" so that we know it's in the right place. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 12:29, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I checked it, it's working how it should be now. Made a minor edit for e.ə so this is correct now. Thank you for your help, it contributed to Azwiki a lot. Cheers!--Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 13:03, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * nitpick: in the code note that the scope of "local rem" does not span all the way to its 2nd appearance (so it becomes global at this point). personally, i prefer the and/or logic when writing lua, like so - i find it more readable. not everyone agrees... peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 21:50, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for spotting the scope problem with the second rem. Had I taken the time, I would have simplified to:
 * While we're nit-picking, I think you'll find that the condition  actually is necessary, otherwise 1910, 1920, 1930, etc. would all have the same suffix, which is incorrect. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 01:44, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * i don't see it. for 1910, mod 100 will return 10, and for 1930 it will be 30, which are different entries in the table. for 1934, mod 100 returns 34, which is nil, equivalent to false, in the table, so the boolean shortcut falls through to the mod 10 line, even without the " " condition. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 06:57, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're right! I misinterpreted what you meant, assuming you were implying that the whole line  was redundant. I can see you were saying one could replace that line with just  . Cheers --RexxS (talk) 00:31, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * i simplified the code base on your last syntaxhighlight. The only thing left is the 0. It has to take -cı suffix, but the code returns -ci. For example, i applied the code to a year navigation template on AzWiki. See 1 to see what i mean. Cheers!--Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 10:36, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the case is, because there was no year 0, but if you have a need for it, here is the revised code to take care of the year 0:
 * So we get:
 * Will that fix it for you? --RexxS (talk) 16:33, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * i actually use the module seperately. The 0 works fine now. Thanks once again!--Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 17:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * i simplified the code base on your last syntaxhighlight. The only thing left is the 0. It has to take -cı suffix, but the code returns -ci. For example, i applied the code to a year navigation template on AzWiki. See 1 to see what i mean. Cheers!--Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 10:36, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the case is, because there was no year 0, but if you have a need for it, here is the revised code to take care of the year 0:
 * So we get:
 * Will that fix it for you? --RexxS (talk) 16:33, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * i actually use the module seperately. The 0 works fine now. Thanks once again!--Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 17:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * i actually use the module seperately. The 0 works fine now. Thanks once again!--Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 17:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)