Wikipedia talk:Lugstubs 2 list

Time frame?
Any idea of the time frame for this process. I've looked at a few which immediately suggest alternate action would be more efficient than creating a draft which will also kick around. Blue Square Thing (talk) 17:12, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There's no rush; I'm happy to wait a month or even two. BilledMammal (talk) 07:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Might take a bit longer than that I'm afraid - things are busy and I'm editing here a lot less than I was. I'd rather have a chance to check them all, but once they're checked that can be dealt with I think. A small number might be better off taken off the list for a while and passed back to potentially interested parties. Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

D potential issues
I'm starting at the bottom of the list... I'll keep adding to here - and I'll keep them in the same order so I'll add to the top. Blue Square Thing (talk) 21:30, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * As an indication of why redirection is the better option, the draft process without a manual review leads to articles such as Draft:Haswell Wilson being drafted. A quick look at Olympia suggests notability - and a short search finds multiple obituaries including in The Lancet and a *six page obit* in The Journal of Pathology and Bacteriology. He's clearly notable. Which was obvious from a manual check but I doubt very much that anyone did one because of the overwhelming number of articles nominated. With the list below as of this time stamp I have 69 articles I'd at least redirect and nine I'd draft. There's a probably skew in that because there aren't a huge amount of non-anglophone names in the bottom 78 articles on the list and out coverage of lists is better for English*, Australian and New Zealand cricketers, but it does suggest we should redirect a bunch simply rather than go through the redundancy of creating a draft and then moving that back and then redirecting from there. Which would be interesting but inevitably pretty futile. Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Dave Chardon - obvs redirect to List of New South Wales representative cricketers
 * Dave Marshall (Barbadian cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Barbadian representative cricketers
 * Dave Richardson (New Zealand cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Central Districts representative cricketers
 * Davendra Sharma - obvs redirect to List of Delhi cricketers
 * David Airey - obvs redirect to List of Wellington representative cricketers
 * David Alers - prob redirect to List of Eastern Province representative cricketers whom he played most of his cricket for
 * David Ashworth (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Oxford University Cricket Club players
 * David Beaumont (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Cambridge University Cricket Club players
 * David Blake (New Zealand cricketer) - prob redirect to List of Central Districts representative cricketers whom he played all but one of his senior matches for. Offline sources extremely likely here again
 * David Boyle (cricketer) - really clear redirect to List of Canterbury representative cricketers at a minimum - played an awful lot of cricket and it seems very likely that offline sources at least could be found here. Online is trickier in this period, but experience with Otago players suggests very, very strongly that it would be extremely likely things could be found in this case
 * David Cooper (Indian cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Bengal cricketers
 * David Cooper (New Zealand cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Central Districts representative cricketers
 * David Cowper (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Victoria first-class cricketers
 * David Daly (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Eastern Province representative cricketers
 * David Dempsey (cricketer) - really clear redirect to List of Canterbury representative cricketers at a minimum - played a LOT of cricket for Canterbury at a time when there is still really good press coverage in The Press of cricket in that part of New Zealand - there are almost certainly going to be multiple sources about his career that can be tapped in to
 * David Ellis (Australian cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Queensland first-class cricketers
 * David Emslie - obvs redirect to List of Eastern Province representative cricketers
 * David Gray (cricketer) - redirect to List of Essex County Cricket Club players as the senior team seems most sensible
 * David Harris (Victoria cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Victoria first-class cricketers
 * David Henry (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Wellington representative cricketers
 * David Hosking (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Wellington representative cricketers
 * David Johnston (New South Wales cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of New South Wales representative cricketers
 * David King (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Victoria first-class cricketers
 * David Kivell - obvs redirect to List of Central Districts representative cricketers
 * David Lumsden (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Eastern Province representative cricketers
 * David Martins - obvs redirect to List of Guyanese representative cricketers
 * David Masterson - obvs redirect to List of Eastern Province representative cricketers
 * David McMeeking (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Western Province representative cricketers
 * David Mullett - obvs redirect to List of Tasmanian representative cricketers
 * David Noonan (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of New South Wales representative cricketers
 * David Ogilvy (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of New South Wales representative cricketers
 * David Scott (cricketer) - for now a clear redirect to List of Oxford UCCE & MCCU players, although there is the potential that he could play for a senior team in the future
 * David Shepard (cricketer) - prob redirect to List of Victoria first-class cricketers
 * David Strudwick - obvs redirect to List of South Australian representative cricketers
 * David Sultan - obvs redirect to List of Trinidadian representative cricketers
 * David Sutherland (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Victoria first-class cricketers
 * David Tarrant - obvs redirect to List of Central Districts representative cricketers
 * David Weston (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Auckland representative cricketers
 * David Whitefield - obvs redirect to List of Western Province representative cricketers
 * Dawson Ritchie - obvs redirect to List of Auckland representative cricketers
 * Debu Majumdar - obvs redirect to List of Bengal cricketers
 * Debendra Roy - obvs redirect to List of Bengal cricketers
 * Debasis Chakraborty - obvs redirect to List of Bengal cricketers
 * Debabrata Pradhan - obvs redirect to List of Odisha cricketers
 * Dean Potter (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Northern Districts representative cricketers for who he played the majority of his cricket
 * Dean Morgan (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Jamaican representative cricketers
 * Deepak Behera - obvs redirect to List of Odisha cricketers - played lots of matches and there are 10 linked articles on the CricInfo profile. This one has potential.
 * Deepak Dogra - obvs redirect to List of Jammu and Kashmir cricketers
 * Deepak Joon - likely redirect to List of Wellington representative cricketers
 * Deepak Manhas - obvs redirect to List of Jammu and Kashmir cricketers
 * Delroy Morgan - obvs redirect to List of Jamaican representative cricketers. With so many matches (>100 senior apps) might be worth a general search as a check
 * Demitri Hayidakis - obvs redirect to List of Border representative cricketers
 * Denham Price - obvs redirect to List of Border representative cricketers
 * Denis Rampersad - obvs redirect to List of Trinidadian representative cricketers
 * Denish Das - obvs redirect to List of Assam cricketers
 * Dennis Blair (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Tasmanian representative cricketers
 * Dennis Daly - obvs redirect to List of Eastern Province representative cricketers
 * Dennis Hewitt - obvs redirect to List of Guyanese representative cricketers
 * Dennis Hollard - obvs redirect to List of Border representative cricketers
 * Dennis Thorbourne - obvs redirect to List of Jamaican representative cricketers
 * Denville McKenzie - obvs redirect to List of Jamaican representative cricketers
 * Denzil Whitfield - obvs redirect to List of Border representative cricketers
 * Deonarine Deyal - obvs redirect to List of Trinidadian representative cricketers
 * Derek Mitchell (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Western Province representative cricketers
 * Derek Scott (cricketer) - obvs redirect to List of Auckland representative cricketers
 * Derek Tate - obvs redirect to List of Queensland first-class cricketers - there is prose on his Cricinfo bio as well
 * Derek Woodhead - obvs redirect to List of Western Australia first-class cricketers with a note added
 * Derreck Calvert - obvious redirect to List of Tasmanian representative cricketers with a note added
 * Derrick Townshend - the prose at CricInfo strongly suggests that this is an article to explore a bit more before drafting - by itself it strongly suggests notability and there's also a Wisden obituary. I think there's a case for removing this one from the list for now. A quick search found this obituary and there are several other sources using Dobbo Townshend as the search term. There's clearly notability here.
 * Just a comment; obvious redirects I will be working out with Quarry queries, so no need to list them here - the only question is whether you would prefer them to be moved to draft space and then the redirect created, or just the redirect directly created and no draft space article created? BilledMammal (talk) 07:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Literally just added that above! The redundancy from a draft article existing is obvious. Much more efficient to simply redirect. They prob do need to be listed because it's not clear in every case where to redirect to. Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I was wondering if it might be more efficient for me to simply do the redirections whilst I'm working through? Would that work or would it cause more problems? I don't think any of the ones I've come across so far are particularly controversial. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I've expanded David Dempsey to show that he was quite a prominent player in his time. A definite keep! Sammyrice (talk) 11:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * And the same now with Delroy Morgan. Sammyrice (talk) 11:47, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Others

 * Charles Burls - added some sources and with his links to Surrey there will be very, very likely offline sources. Given teams he played for prob also other obits. Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Entries to remove from the list
I think the following should be removed from the list, since the RfC was confined to articles referenced only to ESPN and CricketArchive (selection criteria 4) and because additional sources have been added and/or are available:
 * Adolphus O'Brien. Sources added and other newspaper articles are in Past Papers. He played in two intercolonial international matches in the 1880s, at least one of which is notable. In a worst case scenario he could be merged to List of Auckland representative cricketers. I should draw your attention to Papers Past, a collection of scans of New Zealand Newspapers from the National Library of New Zealand. This raises, in relation to New Zealand cricketers, the same issues that Trove raises for the Australians.
 * A list of other cricketers who need to be removed from the list after expansion: Alan Devlin (cricketer), Alec Kerr, Allen Kerr (cricketer), Arthur Cant,
 * James500 (talk) 22:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)