Wikipedia talk:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-08-03 Bates method

Because Famousdog keeps on creating diffusion Here my reaction

For the record. Seeyou has slandered SamuelTheGhost and Famousdog's very interesting discussion of what constitutes scientific evidence as "nonsense". This is not "nonsense," defining what we accept as evidence is crucial to accepting or rejecting Bates' hypotheses. More evidence that Seeyou only cares about his own opinion and has no respect for empirical data. Famousdog (talk) 13:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It is not about my opinion. It is not about famousdogs opinion it is not about Sammy's opinion. It is about the opinion of ophthalmology today. And the link represents the opinion of ophthalmology of the Bates method. Why else is W. Bates mentioned in the reference list. The public has the right to know what ophthalmology thinks about NVI today ! Seeyou (talk) 21:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Second it is also about sources in general and the source who edit these kind of pages ? It is not impossble Famousdog is Diego Maradonna, Sammy is Barbara Streisand and I am Will Smith. But I don't think the American Academy of Ophthalmology is E. Marg. Seeyou (talk) 10:05, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

As you can see below in the paragraph sunning Bates is still very alive. His exact words were present in the artcle paragraph sunning. Now they are gone !

Sunning Because he believed that people who strain to see tend to strain in response to light, Bates suggested exposing the eyes to sunlight to help unlearn that strain. He claimed that "persons with normal sight can look directly at the sun, or at the strongest artificial light, without injury or discomfort",[41] and gave several examples of patients' vision allegedly improving after having done so,[42] which in some situations may be dangerous.[5] Bates cautioned that, just as one should not attempt to run a marathon without training, one should not immediately look directly at the sun, but he suggested that could be worked up to.[41] He acknowledged that looking at the sun could have ill effects, but claimed they were "always temporary" (at least in the sense of being reversible) and were actually the effects of strain in response to the sunlight. He claimed to have cured people who believed that the sun had caused them permanent eye damage.[42][7]

Of bright sunlight shining directly on open eyes, Bates remarked that "persons with imperfect sight usually find it impossible to accustom themselves to such a strong light until their vision has been improved by other means", though he also reported that in rare cases, sungazing alone had brought about complete cures of sight problems.[42] Although he never renounced the claim that open-eyed "sunning" was safe, Bates did temper his suggestions regarding this activity in later editions of his magazine, Better Eyesight. From the August 1924 edition:


 * * original quote Bates * *

Sunning: Let the sun shine on your closed eyelids for short intervals. Choose preferably the early morning sunlight. It is the light rays which benefit the eyes rather than the heat rays. The sun loses some of its effect when it comes through glass.[


 * * end original quote Bates * *

But I do not think the skeptics like to see this. Maybe that is why they removed Bates origianl words See the link below. Not really fair towards the quality of the article to show the public what bates really said.


 * * current situation no quoate of bates anymore* *

Bates did temper his suggestions regarding this activity in later editions of his magazine, Better Eyesight, recommending instead that direct sunlight be allowed to shine on closed eyelids.[


 * * end current situation no quote of Bates andymore * *

Proof :


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bates_method&diff=230954093&oldid=230652499#Sunning

The reason this happened might be this cabalcase. Elwin Marge is more dead than Bates. Books about the Bates method are still being sold and published. Why can't ophthalmology make clear it is all crap so I can finnaly stop improving my own eyesight. In my opinion is the sunning paragraph a very important quality paragraph. Perfect objective information which, if possible should be protected. For very obvious reasons. Seeyou (talk) 21:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * See this discussion. I am trying to reach a consensus with Ronz and Famousdog regarding the use of Bates quotes. It has nothing to do with this cabal case. PSWG1920 (talk) 21:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)