Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 5

Manila 5
Most likely Manila 5 might also happen in SM Mall of Asia on September 13 or September 14, 2008 in time of this event. --Exec8 (talk) 12:31, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd want to go, but it's too close to the ACET. Better if it were in the last week of September or first week of October. --Sky Harbor (talk) 13:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * How about November, just before the malls and other establishments get crowded in December? :P --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

...from the archives of Tambayan Philippines
How will we proceed with the fifth Wikipedia meetup? Jojit suggested we hold it in December. --Sky Harbor (talk) 14:53, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * About time that I make amends :P How about mid-/late November? When malls might be less congested. Remember, Christmas season is also shopping season ;) --- Tito Pao (talk) 00:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Who says the venue has to be a mall? ;-) --seav (talk) 02:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * So what are the alternatives other than a mall or, say, a restaurant? Someone's house? ;) hehehehehe --- Tito Pao (talk) 04:08, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like a WMPH discussion over a fancy dinner once in a while. :P But seriously, we do not need to meet in a mall. --Sky Harbor (talk) 11:38, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Jollibee? :)-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Or McDo. Or BK. Well...any fast food, as long as we're not meeting up at a 7-11 or Mini-Stop :P --- Tito Pao (talk) 03:38, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't like McDonald's ever since I watched Super Size Me. Ayaw ko rin ng Starbucks, may melamine daw. ;) Any other restaurant for the meet-up will do.  --Jojit (talk) 11:38, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well Greenwich have "healthy options".*

* Lenticel is not in anyway affiliated with Tony Tan Caktiong and his restaurants and is not responsible for any missing items.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:00, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hahahaha...at kelangan me ganon?? :P --- Tito Pao (talk) 06:03, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I just had a random thought...while browsing how much a ticket to Marinduque costs on Zest Airways, I was thinking of this: given that plane tickets have become noticeably more affordable, maybe we can afford to have meetups now in more distant parts of the country. For example, take a Zest plane to Cebu in the morning and take a Cebu Pacific plane in the afternoon or evening back to Manila.  For the sake of everyone, here's how much it costs (assuming we meet on January 10):


 * MNL-CEB: P686 (seat sale, all-in, departs 4:45 am or 7:45 am)
 * CEB-MNL: P528 (Go Lite, all-in, departs 5:30 pm or 8:30 pm)


 * We can probably have a Wikipedia Takes Manhattan-like photo contest or something, then have discussions in various parts of the city. Then we can all explore NAIA Terminal 3. It would be a very good chance for us not only to get pictures of Metro Cebu, but also to meet with the Cebuano Wikipedians. --Sky Harbor (talk) 15:42, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As an organizer of Wikipedia Takes Manhattan, I'd be glad to help out any event in Cebu through advice or technical assistance. Thanks.--Pharos (talk) 14:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have some photos during Cebu 1. Would that qualify for the contest? --Jojit (talk) 03:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Uhh...the concept is that we all travel there (any city) in the morning, have a photo contest and pertinent discussion during the day and fly back to Manila at night. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 22:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.158.149 (talk)

Revival (from Tambayan Philippines discussions)
anyone interested? --Exec8 (talk) 07:40, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The question there is when. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 09:18, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And where. ;) --Jojit (talk) 09:39, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Interested, definitely. Available precisely where and when, I do not know. Hehe. Now if we were talking Baguio 1 ... hehe :-D -- Alternativity (talk) 13:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


 * How many Baguio-based Wikipedians are there again? --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 13:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I am thinking either
 * within September 8 to September 11 at UP Diliman in time for the 7th Y4IT; or
 * September 16 to September 20 at the SMX in time for the book fair.
 * I hope we get this rolling again...--Exec8 (talk) 08:45, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The Manila Bookfair is fine by me. I do hope my sked will be clear by then. And I know I also have a lot of catching up to do :P hehehe --- Tito Pao (talk) 04:33, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The Manila Bookfair is fine by me too. That's the easiest way for me to schedule Manila 5 into my Travel agenda. :-D -- Alternativity (talk) 04:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Manila Bookfair is perfect. Get all docs ready. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 06:19, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute...when during the Manila Book Fair, and more importantly, where in MOA? The Book Fair may be a bit too busy to discuss more pressing matters. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 06:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's my proposal: definitely not in SMX, as many people would be there. Probably in some fast food or coffee place that is near SMX, but not on that building...I haven't been to MOA for some time, so I have yet to scout around for specific suggestions (do please provide suggestions). As for the date and time, either a Saturday or a Sunday, and probably a little after lunch. Or maybe in the morning, so that if we can wrap up early, we can each go to the bookfair to do our own book browsing :P --- Tito Pao (talk) 06:54, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sept 19 or Sept 20 (Sat-Sun) probably anywhere at the "SanMig by the Bay" area like dampa or coffeeshop nearby. Ill bring my ID and some stuff...--Exec8 (talk) 15:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry for having to ask this, since I was out of the loop for some time :P What documents and/or materials are we expected to bring? --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Who's busy on Sept 19? If some of you have to work or study at Saturdays, we can set it on Sept 20, otherwise Sept 19 is best. We can assemble at the bookfair and proceed immediately at the nearest tambayan (maybe Krispy Kreme), this is the map. I can set up updates of the event via twitter (twitter.com/pinoywikipedia). --Exec8 (talk) 06:48, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm for Sept. 20 then. By the time we finish, we'll all be able to come back to the bookfair, each to his own, and perhaps catch up with the last-minute sale of books. So I heard, there may be huge discounts just before the bookfair wraps up (hehehe) --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:19, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Let's go. So where we having it? --TitanOne (talk) 04:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Just in case I can file for leave on a Sunday (DO's on Wed/Thu) and it gets accepted, can I join you guys? It would also be a chance to bust up MOA for the first time ever-don't laugh, the closest I have ever been anywhere near MOA was when I went to the nearby Teletech office to apply for a job in April 2005. --Eaglestorm (talk) 02:31, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * TitanOne and Eaglestorm, you are most welcome and other Wikipedians can join. I would like personally to meet new faces on Philippine meetups. We can also discuss topics other than Wikimedia Philippines that you wish to talk about. --Jojit (talk) 18:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Agenda
Okay, our tentative agenda would be:


 * Wikimedia Philippines (yet again, since for some reason we can't get it off the ground)
 * Finalize the Articles of Incorporation (final list of incorporators, directors, contributions, et. al.)
 * Complete the Bylaws (our template will be the "express-lane" bylaws used by the SEC, with changes to account for Wikimedia-specific provisions in the current bylaws)
 * Re-evaluate our depository bank
 * Why did I add this? Because apparently, with the wave of banks actually reducing their interest rates to rates below 1% (Landbank 0.75%, BDO 0.75%, BPI 0.625%, etc.), I'd figure that BDO and Landbank are now neck-and-neck. The only things now separating the two are branch network coverage and initial deposit.
 * Apply for a WMF grant (possibly)
 * Why did I add this? Because WMPH may be short on funds, we can ask for a grant from the WMF to get it off the ground. Wikimedia chapters in the Czech Republic, Hungary, Portugal and Ukraine have asked for various start-up funds (heck, Wikimedia Czech Republic asked for funds to set up an actual office), and perhaps we can benefit from that scheme as well.  With a reference exchange rate of P48=US$1, the minimum grant given is $500 (P24,000), while the theoretical maximum (there is no definite maximum, but the WMF expects requests to go no further than the theoretical maximum) is $15,000 (P720,000).
 * Potential projects
 * Publishing completed Wikibooks to raise funds for WMPH (Florante at Laura, etc.)
 * Sustainable development of smaller Philippine-language communities
 * Why did I add this? Because some of the existing language communities are growing at geometric rates which can be considered unsustainable and bad for wiki-depth. Examples include the Waray and Bikol communities.
 * Wikimania 2011 (maybe?)
 * Others

Since my brain is half-dead from mid-term exams, perhaps this should provide for a more manageable agenda. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 15:48, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Roundup of details
It's over a week since Exec8's first post on this topic. Here's the list of people who have indicated interest in attending:
 * Exec8
 * Sky Harbor
 * Jojit
 * Alternativity
 * Scorpion prinz
 * TitanOne
 * Titopao
 * seav (talk)

Anyone else who's interested to join us? Do let yourselves be heard. Maybe we should also leave notes on the Talk pages of previous attendees as a courtesy to them.

(Edit: And since we're on the topic, how about extending the invitation to the other Phil-wikis as well, such as TL and CEB?)

Per discussion, here's the tentative details so far:
 * Date: Sept. 19 (Sat.) or 20 (Sun), to coincide with the Manila International Bookfair. Sept. 20 (Sun.) was suggested by Exec8 to allow those who have classes/work on Saturdays to participate in the discussions
 * Time: TBA
 * Place: somewhere near the SMX (MIBF venue) such as San Miguel by the Bay, Krispy Kreme or any coffeeshop.

Agenda will be per Sky Harbor's post above. Let us know if there are some items that need to be discussed as well.

Since the AOI and by-laws will form part of the agenda, you may want to review them on these pages, as well as the pertinent Talk page discussions on these topics:


 * Articles of Incorporation (draft proposal)
 * By-laws (draft proposal)

Comments, reactions, please feel free to post 'em away :P --- Tito Pao (talk) 01:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, the AoI is final. Only the blanks need to be filled. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 01:43, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Barring any higher-priority stuff, I'm good to go. --seav (talk) 14:13, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Now comes the question...where in MoA? I've seen Exec8's tweet and, from the looks of it, we'll be having it on September 20 (unless someone else objects? :P ). Personally, I'd also like to have it on the 20th. The question is, where in MoA specifically. Or, do we meet first at the SMX and then find a place from there on? --- Tito Pao (talk) 01:39, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't like Krispy Kreme, ang mahal ng doughnuts pareho lang naman ang lasa sa iba. ;) But if there are no other options, then Krispy Kreme will do. I think September 20 is final since nobody objects and it's already posted at the Manila 5 meetup page. --Jojit (talk) 18:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Not on a Sunday
I suggest that in every meet we have preferably not to schedule it on Sundays. We Mormons always respect Sundays as the Day of the Lord and we respect it very much. Any day of the week but not on Sundays.

I hope you understand. Thanks for your patience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geopoet (talk • contribs) 04:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The meetup is scheduled on a Saturday. If I were to be specific on religions, the problem now no longer falls on Mormons, but on Seventh-Day Adventists.  Since it's on a Saturday, I hope you can come. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 06:41, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, majority wants to do it on Sunday, one opposes. Who wants to do it as a two day event? At least more things to be discussed and more things will be ironed out. Otherwise, we must decide really what is the best day to meet. Maybe as this thread goes on the venue will be questioned...--Exec8 (talk) 02:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm happy with either day, pero if it's a two-day thing, there's a possibility that some people cannot make it to DAY2 due to certain emergencies or prior commitments cropping up. To Sky, I hope none of the attendees are SDAs (not that I don't like them) or they could raise the same issue as Geopoet did. --Eaglestorm (talk) 02:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Demographically speaking, the average Filipino Wikipedian is between 18 and 30, male, a resident of Metro Manila, Roman Catholic and educated at least with a college degree. I haven't seen any others deviate from this, and Geopoet is the first Wikipedian that I have seen here who is non-Catholic.  However, I do wish that it is on a Saturday.  It makes life easier for all of us.  Or, if any of you are daring, we can have a Clark 1 (P700 for Manila-Clark and back on Zest Airways). --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 07:37, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Saturday it is! (Anything but Zest, lol - no offense though) --TitanOne (talk) 23:42, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I am open to either Saturday or Sunday (unless otherwise I am required to report on a Saturday). I am calling everybody to vote now, if there is no agreement for a unified date then it will be a two day event. For location, Manila so far is the best place to meet, other places if its a vacation leave/ break. --Exec8 (talk) 10:47, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually...for the record, I have a regular (anticipated) mass service on a Saturday, so I should be considered somewhat "sabadista" :PBut since the meet-ups aren't held weekly anyways, I'm willing to make an exception should the meet-up be on a Saturday. Having said that, I'm amenable to either Saturday or Sunday, with a slight preference for Sunday for the sole reason that it's the last day of the Bookfair (and that means, after the meet-up, I might stay in the Bookfair til it closes shop). But as of the moment, I'm not committing (yet) to a specific day. --- Tito Pao (talk) 01:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Saturday or Sunday?
 * Saturday would be nice because everybody's just laying back. Spiffy ang Sunday because of religious commitments or whathave you. --Eaglestorm (talk) 12:42, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * As of August 24, the agreed date is September 19, 2009, Saturday at the Mall of Asia. I propose 11am as assemble time so we can iron out documents needed and a possible bank deposit on the same day or an agreed bank day. BDO in MoA is open both Sat and Sun unless we still consider LBP. --Exec8 (talk) 11:44, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Official Date
Its now official. The final date will be September 19, 2009, Saturday. Participants will assemble at the SMX Convention Center (wait for a tweet on exactly where) at 11am and meeting will commence at lunch possibly at a nearby resto, like Razons of Guagua. Bring IDs, pen, notes, [laptop and a digital camera] (if possible). For first time participants, look at our pictures (Manila 1,2,4) so you know who are the ones you will meet. --Exec8 (talk) 12:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, can you put the notice up on Pinoy Wikipedia FB too? I don't have a twitter account. Thanks. --Eaglestorm (talk) 12:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * FB is facebook.com/pinoywikipedia, Twitter is twitter.com/pinoywikipedia --Exec8 (talk) 13:45, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, September 19 it is. Btw, for those who are looking at the pictures: I'm no longer long-haired, so you definitely no longer see me ponytailed in person :P --- Tito Pao (talk) 01:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm long-haired in contrast with the pictures. :-) Btw, I propose that we meet in Burger King. --Jojit (talk) 01:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Burger King is an excellent choice. MIBF at 11am then Burger King by 12pm and MIBF afterwards...--Exec8 (talk) 06:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Burger King is okay with me. My cell phone can double as a digicam, but I'll try to bring/borrow something more decent. --- Tito Pao (talk) 06:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I now have a new pair of glasses, if that counts. :))


 * Anyway, I may bring an SLR, but I can also use my Sony Ericsson K850 if that doesn't work out. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 15:19, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We dont need to stay long at Burger King, just like the same experience with Kenny's on Manila 1. But once we gather for about an hour there we can go to another place we can brainstorm. So knock on to late comers... --Exec8 (talk) 21:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I usually come early to meetings, so the newcomers can simply look for me :) i'll let you guys know (on the 18th at the latest) what i will be wearing on the meet-up. --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:34, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * September 21 is an official holiday. Everyone can utilize this rare event. Lenticel quit Wikipedia.--Exec8 (talk) 14:09, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, hope he somehow returns soon. Sayang pagka-admin niya, but anyway, we still got Efe and Sky IIRC. --Eaglestorm (talk) 02:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh? Lenticel quit?  That means we have one less incorporator for WMPH!  Why did he quit? :(( --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 05:18, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's all on his user page. --Jojit (talk) 06:54, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a disdain for peeking at userpages (because it makes me appear like a stalker), but at least his retirement seems noble enough, not like others who retired in the heat of controversy or argument. Hopefully he will still be involved with WMPH, since that is an off-line, in-real-life endeavor, and not something done online.  But anyway, who wants to put him on WP:MW? --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 09:08, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I still stick with the Sept. 19 meetup. It's hitting two birds with one stone, attending both MIBF and Manila 5. --Jojit (talk) 06:54, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * My name shows up on the list of trustees, but not on the list of incorporators. Given Lenticel's situation, if needs must be, then count me in :) --- Tito Pao (talk) 07:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * See you on Saturday! --Exec8 (talk) 03:11, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Saturday it is! :) By the way, I was told by family members that besides the Bookfair, MOA will also have the Gary-Martin concert and also a (gasp) sale :P Hope there aren't too many people, and hope we'll get seats at BK the soonest possible... --- Tito Pao (talk) 04:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Bwiset, it seems madaming magsa-Samoa, not just the usual Saturday crowd.--Eaglestorm (talk) 05:19, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, just like Manila 3, its another 3-day sale. See you on Saturday!--Exec8 (talk) 02:25, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * DAMN IT. I'm at the Netopia near BK and also checked out Julie's, and yet hindi ko kayo makita! (I couldn't see you guys!)--Eaglestorm (talk) 04:13, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Distinction
Ok, the venue, date and time is almost final, next question is, how do we know it’s you guys? --TitanOne (talk) 03:00, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Look at the pictures in the past meetups: Manila 1, Manila 2 and Manila 4. Take note that Tito Pao is now short-haired while I'm long-haired.  Just in case you can't recognize us, I will send you my contact number through the "Email this user" feature of this wiki. --Jojit (talk) 03:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As I"ve mentioned earlier, I'll try to wear something distinctive...maybe a shirt with a unique slogan or design on it. I might also be using a black shoulder bag. --- Tito Pao (talk) 04:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If that's the case can I print a tarp-sized (4ft x 4ft) picture of Tito Pao so that the newer guys can know who to approach? (lol) --TitanOne (talk) 03:58, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * LoL...who do you think I am, Aga Mulach? :P hehehe. Seriously, I still have the yellow shirt I wore on Manila 1. If you want, I'll wear that one instead. --- Tito Pao (talk) 04:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, the WPilipinas people were there in Manila 2. Hopefully they appear on Saturday so we could talk to them about the vandals' "exodus" to their turf.
 * Naah...even if we talked to Mr. Vibal himself, I don't think they would mind at all, given the all-inclusive nature of WikiPilipinas :| Anyways...I'm not sure I'll be wearing that yellow shirt from Manila 1 on Saturday :P Will keep you guys updated by tomorrow. See you! --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * HAH, talk about a Wiki being truly something that Wikipedia is not. Anyways, for ID purposes, look for a guy wearing either a dark blue shirt, an All Blacks jersey, or a Wallabies jersey. Takta, if not for a company recall on Wednesday, I could have been scouting out MOA that day. Hehe --Eaglestorm (talk) 02:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Addendum. I'll be lugging a Puma shoulder bag along too. Kitakits! --Eaglestorm (talk) 14:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've settled on what I'll be wearing. Blue jeans, blue sneakers and a shirt with Ninoy Aquino on it ;) See you tomorroy, guys! :) --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:49, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If in case BK is full, we can go to Julies Ihaw-Ihaw, Building J, San Miguel By the Bay, Mall of Asia. --Exec8 (talk) 15:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank You
Thank you for making Manila 5 a success. We finally complete the By-laws and we set the time table of incorporation before November 2009. I would like to request Sky and Pao to provide the summary of the things happened in BK and Krispy Kreme on the Manila 5 meetup page. By the way, I forgot my 6 pc of premium donuts there, I hope that one of you picked it up otherwise it goes to the trash bin :( ... --Exec8 (talk) 14:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh my, I should have told you about it! Sayang din yun eh! I saw the box when I went back to the Skechers event to check out my barkadas there. Kinuha ko na sana yun because I was terribly hungry that time and I forgot to bring my money because I was in big hurry! Anyway, I would like to thank everyone na nakita ko sa Burger King at bongga pa tayong kinumpronta ng manager due to our prolonged stay! No comment about that manager! Until we meet again guys! I hope that I'll meet more Wikipedians sa susunod na meetup. Ciao! --Lee Heon Jin (talk) 12:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

A month after from Tambayan Philippines

 * Someone hasn't been updated: the sub-chapters provision was removed. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 16:05, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Additional info: Sub-chapter section in the by-laws was removed for the meantime because it is too complex and we are rushing the approval of the By-laws. (Visit the WMPH By-laws talk page for more details.) --Jojit (talk) 07:44, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * We are not in a rush anymore jojit since the expected members who will scrutinize and approve the by-laws are no longer active. --Exec8 (talk) 12:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm thinking of conducting a members' audit. I'm expecting attrition of the current list of participants.  Now if we do fall below critical mass, that's where we have a problem. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 13:50, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I can only think of about 15 persons in the participants list (16 if we include Cloudhand who is not in the list but active offline) that are still active in Wikipedia projects. But if participants will fall below critical mass, it won't be a problem, we can still invite other people. --Jojit (talk) 01:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


 * In any case, it is still being scrutinize as you can see in the By-laws talk page. Perhaps other participants are hesitant in examining the By-laws because it is too legalese. That is why I'll be calling the lawyer today to further scrutinize the By-laws.  --Jojit (talk) 01:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

WMPH update
I contacted Anyo Niminus's lawyer friend to review the WMPH By-laws and give some legal advice. He is available tomorrow (October 28) in Ortigas area at around 5:00pm and onwards. Please contact me if you are available and interested to join and meet the lawyer. I'll be watching this page up to 10:00pm today. Seav and Sky Harbor should attend since they contributed heavily on the By-laws. --Jojit (talk) 07:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll see if I can be there...if I don't have overtime work, I will be out of the office by 6pm. But the waiting time at the MRT stations aren't exactly good at that time :P --- Tito Pao (talk) 08:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I can come. That is, if I'm not training debaters for the Philippine Schools Debate Championship next week. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 11:20, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I just texted the lawyer to meet us at Bo's Coffee at SM Megamall at around 6:30 pm. He has not replied yet as of this writing but probably, he will reply tomorrow.  Perhaps we can stay up to 8:00 pm at the meeting place.  I will keep you posted here in Tambayan regarding this meetup. By the way Sky, is your cellphone number the same since Manila 1?  If not, please email me your number so that I can contact you tomorrow. Other interested participants can email their number to me as well. --Jojit (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't come tomorrow. I have work until 7pm and I have a meeting at 8pm. If necessary, just call me on my cellphone or text me if there you absolutely need my opinion on stuff. Be sure to bring a print-out of the talk page of the By-laws and also have the AoI looked at as well. --seav (talk) 15:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not available as well. --Exec8 (talk) 02:14, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * My number is outdated. I'll be updating it. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 18:39, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

The lawyer already confirmed this meeting. So, it will push through at the specified time and venue. --Jojit (talk) 01:55, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going, and I'll bring a printout of the By-laws. Now who's going? --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 05:48, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * So far, only you and I confirmed in this meeting, aside from the lawyer of course. I think this is fine since you are the key person in WMPH By-laws. ;)  But everyone is welcome to attend.  BTW, just in case you didn't know, Bo's Coffee is located at the 5th level Mega Atrium.  Also, my cellphone number stays the same. --Jojit (talk) 07:16, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

By-laws freeze for WMPH
Subject to the review of the By-laws by Atty. Santiago (the lawyer we met earlier), the By-laws shall be frozen and not edited. However, there were a few points of agreement as to what changes will take place (this is incomplete):


 * Tenure will be extended to two years for the initial Board, and one year for all subsequent Boards
 * Associate membership shall be abolished. Members below 18 can now vote, but they cannot become officers.
 * A new basis for impeachment shall be added (I forgot the exact wording)
 * The sub-chapter issue shall be incorporated into the general provisions. A sub-chapter guide shall be drafted in the future subject to what is being discussed at Sub-national chapters.

In addition, implementing rules and regulations as to our procedures (voting, conducting meetings, conducting online meetings, Wikiquette, etc.) shall be added to the transitory provisions. They should be drafted by the Board within ten days of ratification.

Barring any other objections, events and the like, we should get word of what will happen next week, and we should be able to finalize the By-laws within two weeks (hopefully by my 19th birthday :D) before sending it to the Chapters committee. Hopefully we can incorporate by mid-December, and hopefully as well we can begin discussions with Landbank over waiving inter-regional deposit fees as we begin the process of incorporation. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 14:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * In addition, here are the other topics discussed:
 * The order of sections of the By-laws is fine and pretty standard.
 * According to the lawyer, By-laws should not be too detailed because SEC might question it.
 * The organization should not be too democratic.
 * Quarterly online meetings are allowed and a yearly convention should be offline. The venue and place of the convention should be indicated in the By-laws.
 * There should only be a President, which also acts as a Chairman. (I can't recall the details about this topic but the lawyer said that it is up to us on how we define it in the By-laws)
 * Wikimedia Pilipinas, Wikimedia Filipinas etc. should be registered as trademarks in IPO instead of corporation names.
 * Internal and external auditor.
 * Membership audit. (This wasn't discussed in the meetup but I propose to have a membership form for the participants instead of just signing-up in the list of participants.)
 * We also talked about Philippine copyright law regarding works of government as it relates to Wikipedia. The lawyer said that instead of lobbying in Congress, we should get a clarification from IPO that it is ok to use works of government here in Wikipedia since those works are in public domain.
 * We probably have two meetups in November. One meetup is for finalizing the By-laws and the other is for signing the documents.  Or we can have the first meetup through chat.
 * By the way, I will pay the attorney's fees in advance, which is subject to reimbursement from WMPH once funds are available. The lawyer will get back to us next week. I will keep you posted regarding this matter. --Jojit (talk) 01:00, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll try checking out the IPO website just in case some of the information we need is already there. If anyone's planning to go to the IPO offices, do let me know how I can help...my office is just a minute's walk from there. --- Tito Pao (talk) 03:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Addendum: for everyone's perusal: http://www.ipophil.gov.ph/ --- Tito Pao (talk) 03:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Trademarking applies to us only if we will use the trademark. Now what will we sell, other than shirts and copies of Wikipedia? --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 04:08, 1 November 2009 (UTC)