Wikipedia talk:Meetup/NYC/Archive 2

Food options
Would it be possible to have a different option than pizza for the food at this upcoming event? There are loads of other choices in the neighborhood, and it's not like Pizza is super inexpensive comparatively. Any thoughts on this? Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 01:49, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, anything that's inexpensive, and that people in the room like would be fine. Any recommendations?--Pharos (talk) 01:33, 8 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Looking forward to seeing folks tonight. Bring your lightning talks and food options!--Pharos (talk) 14:59, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


 * FYI, here is the WikiWednesday Hackpad link.--Pharos (talk) 18:21, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Here's a list for the August 2015 WikiWednesday @ Babycastles:
 * * Bareburger: 153 8th Avenue (17th and 18th Street), New York, NY 212-414-2273. menu burgers
 * * Dirty Bird To Go, Chelsea: 204 W. 14th Street, New York, NY 10011 212-620-4836. menu, catering chicken
 * * Five Guys, Five Guys 14th Street: 56 W. 14th Street (off 6th Avenue), New York, NY 10011 212-675-2229 menu burgers
 * * GustOrganics: 519 Avenue of the Americas (13th St & 14th St), New York, NY 10011 212-242-5800 menu, catering organic, veg
 * * The Hummus & Pita Co, 6th Avenue: 585 6th Avenue, New York, NY 10011 212-510-7405 menu, catering Middle Eastern
 * * Potbelly: 41 W. 14th Street (6th Avenue), New York, NY 10011 646-289-4209. menu sandwiches
 * * Sala One Nine: 35 W. 19th Street, New York, NY 10011 212-229-2300. menu, catering tapas
 * * Two Boots, West Village: 201 W. 11th Street (at 7th Avenue, New York, NY 10014 212-633-9096. menu pizza
 * – BrillLyle (talk) 01:19, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Nice investigative work! Hummus & Pita Co catering menu looks like maybe the most practical and universal option to me.--Pharos (talk) 15:25, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikiconference USA
I uploaded a few pictures to Commons:category:WikiConference USA 2015 but don't know what article to post them to. Jim.henderson (talk) 03:47, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

WSJ article on MoMA meetups
Nice article in the Wall Street Journal: http://www.wsj.com/articles/museums-open-up-to-power-of-wiki-1444613033 - kosboot (talk) 15:20, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


 * It was really great! Congratulations to everyone who made this happen and contributed to these editathons! :-)
 * I added this article to the Wikimedia New York City - Press section -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 16:13, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia takes Manhattan?
It's been in the "Planning-Stage Future Events" for a while. Is there still something in the works? &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 18:25, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is! There is some preliminary info on Wikipedia @ OHNY Weekend Photo Competition and this is the Commons upload campaign set up — we're relying on the Open House New York people to do most of the promotion, though.  Also, we'll probably be at their welcome booths to help get newbie Commonists started at Union Square on Saturday, and at Grand Army Plaza on Sunday.  More on this soon!--Pharos (talk) 05:15, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Meetup/NYC/OHNY. Will have more details up later today, the Open House people are only doing their press release connected to this today, and we'll follow them.--Pharos (talk) 16:46, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Page purpose; misuse and confusion
Linking to this page yields a page whose subject is constantly changing; while it is an event--it's not a perm link to an event!

For example, this link doesn't show the the edit-a-thon @ MOMA a few weeks ago.

Dynamic content
While the subject of this page is the upcoming event for the NYC WikiMedia Chapter it is reasonable to think that someone will want to send the contents of this page to someone--and not a dynamic page showing the upcoming event, but a link to a specific event.

Suggestion
Create a page for each event--make it a sub-page or not--but please make it a page that constitutes the entirety of the event, viz.: description, sign-up, etc. The url should be pretty and self-evident and should include the date of the event--or @ least the year of the event.

Once that article is ready to publish transclude it in it's entirety on this page.

BTW: The current event listed on this page is out of date.

I'd change it, but as I've said I don't understand the process as it currently exists. --CmdrDan (talk) 15:23, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Pharos likes to maintain the same URL for different events so that people who don't know will land on the "current event" page (with links to past and future events). It's a queue: once the event is past he moves it elsewhere and then makes the page be the next event. - kosboot (talk) 15:56, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * As someone who is working with assisting to maintain these very active event pages, the Project page having a static URL (i.e., Meetup/NYC) is a real life-saver when guiding people to the event pages. Also a life-saver, the header box, which lists both future and past events.
 * SOLUTION: If you need a link to a specific event, use the event's link in the header box. If you hover over all of the links you will see they are specific to each event. That should address this issue.
 * That said I know that the Talk page is not representative of the events, typically, that it is a rolling Talk page linked to whichever event is happening. I think this is a minimal issue, as newer users are not going to be on this Talk page all that much.
 * I don't think the current situation is a problem at all. And I'm not seeing what is out of date. The Guggenheim event is on the main page right now as it just happened, and I think it's helpful for folks to be able to return to the page a few days after the event.
 * Maybe another SOLUTION would be to edit the header box so it is more explicit that the links are permanent links to the event page, but the main Meetup/NYC page is just the most recent event. Thoughts? -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 17:01, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I think meetup/NYC should always be a redirect page to an event page which is at a permanent URL. is that doable? Is there a reason to not do that?   Blue Rasberry   (talk)  12:15, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi -- I believe this is what  has done and how we are currently functioning. I don't see any issues and think this is resolved? ?

Cleared some tabs in header
made this version of the header. It was based on Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Tab header, so it seems like an established choice, but most of the subsections for NYC are without content.

I removed a few to make this version. When I did so I removed links to these sections.
 * Meetup/NYC/Join
 * Meetup/NYC/Proposals
 * Meetup/NYC/Resources
 * Meetup/NYC/Calendar
 * Meetup/NYC/Press

I merged those concepts into other sections. Anyone may manipulate further or in a different way at Meetup/NYC/Tab_header. I wanted to make things simple with fewer buttons. I am not sure what is best.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  11:57, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Before I move things around further I think I will pause and seek comments from others. - what do you think? Is less content helpful or going too far?   Blue Rasberry   (talk)  12:13, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi While I like a few less tab categories this was definitely a work in progress and it was sort of a big effort to shift to tabs in the first place so I wasn't done completely populating the tabs that had less content. I think the Resources tab is important for a comprehensive list of resources for editathons. I also think the Join tab would be helpful if it was well developed. I'm responding on my phone so let me look at the consolidation properly when I get to a proper computer. My only concern is that content was lost in the consolidation. The new tab system was an effort to have all of the WM NYC info in one visible place so... :-) -- Erika BrillLyle (talk) 13:02, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I could be wrong. Here are my initial thoughts -
 * Join -> to partners or about page; only current benefit of joining is voting rights on board and recruiting more members to administration is not a priority
 * Proposals -> proposals is grant writing, so I imagine, so I thought to hide from public view
 * Resources -> redirect elsewhere, so as to not duplicate basic Wikipedia tutorial
 * Calendar -> events page or even header
 * Press -> not sure, maybe events, maybe projects, maybe about. It would be nice to associate press with the events or projects which brought the press.
 * I am not sure about any of this. I agree that everything should be available.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  13:20, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * "Join" tab -- agree this info would fit well / be served well consolidated into "About" tab
 * "Resources" tab -- I think this is very important to have as a tab. Reasoning is that while the landing page for WM NYC changes with the current selected event page, to have the tab header with the Resources constantly available makes for a good practice of "Oh where is that resource -- there, it's always there at the top of the page in the header!" Also, as someone who is populating these event pages, it really helps to be able to grab the Resources information from within our site. I know these exist other places, but they are pretty disparately located, and I would like to think that the ones we have listed, especially the IRC help channel, are very helpful for newbies. I would strongly request this tab be restored.
 * "Calendar" tab -- agree it is a bit redundant, so could have its info consolidated into header, etc....
 * "Press" tab -- I think this one is Mission Critical. If you see the AfroCROWD Press tab it's really great. The thought process behind the Press tab is that if there is a press organization looking for information about WM NYC activities, we've collected the information in one place for them. It also collocates all of the pres that the chapter has garnered, which is very helpful for WMF to see, I think. Also, I suspect there is a lot more press that is not listed here due to the fact that there has been no maintained, centrally organized space for the information. I would strongly request this tab be restored.
 * Glad we agree on the collocation of all of the info. Honestly, while I have strong feelings about some of this stuff, as long as the information is listed on all of the tabs, I'm happy.
 * An additional issue: We should figure out which pages on meta can be redirected to this space. Personally I want to make the maintenance of these two spaces as easy as possible. Maintaining all the events and calendars is bad enough without having to deal with making sure other information is duplicated correctly. I was sort of holding off on redirects (from meta to W:Meetup) until a Board member could give some guidance / assistance. Thoughts on this? -- and THANK YOU Lane for your eyes on this!!! BrillLyle (talk) 16:52, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * An additional issue: We should figure out which pages on meta can be redirected to this space. Personally I want to make the maintenance of these two spaces as easy as possible. Maintaining all the events and calendars is bad enough without having to deal with making sure other information is duplicated correctly. I was sort of holding off on redirects (from meta to W:Meetup) until a Board member could give some guidance / assistance. Thoughts on this? -- and THANK YOU Lane for your eyes on this!!! BrillLyle (talk) 16:52, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


 * "Proposals" tab -- much like having the active and past Grants listed, my personal preference is that there is 100% transparency wherever possible of the work of WM NYC. In what I envision, it would include Committee work (hopefully we will get some committees going) as well as Grants and other types of partner / outreach proposals. So this tab would be a landing page for all of that activity. And it would be public and transparent with the idea of openness as a positive thing. I know that there are sensitivities with different arrangements with partners, but wherever it is prudent and possible, I think transparency is a great thing. BrillLyle (talk) 17:03, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Also, I'm not a fan of having the main home page be named "Next Meetup" because there are often multiple meetups in the next week or so -- like with this week. I prefer "Main Page" like A+F uses... Thoughts? BrillLyle (talk) 17:05, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay - everything you said is useful. If we could, I would like to reduce the discussion to one about duplication and labor for upkeep. Everytime something is duplicated, we need extra labor to have volunteers re-do something that has been done before.
 * About resources - why do you think WM NYC should maintain a resources tab? What special needs do we have that makes you think we need our own list, rather than linking to a resources list maintained somewhere else? Meetups are everywhere - can WM NYC crowdsource responsibility for this to a central meetup support page?
 * About press - I agree that the Afrocrowd list is great. I am just not clear why it should be duplicated, or why the list of the press needs to have such a prominent place on the page when I am imagining it is not of general interest at meetups. Is our press list a curated subset of press from other lists? Consider AfroCrowd, for example. In the original scheme you proposed, its events are on the events page, its grant is on the proposals page, its press on the press page. I presume in all of those places we also need to introduce the project somehow. Is it your intent to deconstruct the parts of the project and separate them, or is there some ground to check options for different ways to present this? I definitely want people to access the press. I am just not sure that press should be separate from other parts of projects.
 * I changed the "meetup" tab. Again - I do not know the best way to do this. There is no precedent on Wikipedia, and I am not sure what is right. I am just talking through.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  18:20, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to un-indent here, hope that's okay.
 * If we can cross-reference and redirect I think that duplication of efforts will be a non-issue.
 * I may not understand what you are referring to, as I don't think this is part of what we are really discussing here.

Re: Resources
 * I think WM NYC should maintain a resources tab because although there are a lot of Wikipedia editing resources, we have a really nicely curated list that includes A+F resources as well as the IRC channel.
 * I would argue that having the template available is (a) easiest for the organizers to grab the info and more importantly (b) as a constantly available resource for attendees who might need the resources during and after the events. It's a great place to collect and cherry-pick the best resources. That's my very strong opinion.
 * Also... I believe adding more information to the Meetup site versus less is much better. It establishes the work we have done, the work we will do, and shows that our Meetup is active and engaged. I don't see a problem with a lot of information, but that's probably the librarian in me.

Re: Press
 * Apologies but I really disagree with this. I think that only looking at the WM NYC Meetup space as a site for editathons is a bit short-sighted. I see these tabs and this collection of information in the WM NYC Meetup space as creating a web presence for WM NYC -- one that is much more user friendly than the one on Meta (and would ideally supersede that one if possible). Having it on Wikipedia is a lot better for inter-linking, etc. Plus it builds on the models that exist for AfroCROWD and A+F, as well as other GLAM initiatives like BLT and others that would benefit from this type of organization.
 * As for duplication, I don't see duplication -- except I haven't deleted the press list off of Meta yet -- had planned to if I haven't already . If that's what you're talking about.
 * I'm very confused by what you mean when you say "the project." What does that mean exactly?
 * I think having an easy to locate tab that has Press on it is the best route. Just like the About tab is super important, so too is the Press tab. I'm not sure how to convince you of this.

Re: Main page tab name
 * "Upcoming Events" is just way too long, and it is not clear, as current events could be active on that page too. I'm not sure what is wrong with leaving it what it was, which was "Main Page." That's what AfroCROWD and A+F do, and I think it's super clear and user-friendly. I think Upcoming Events is unclear, too long, and misleading. That's my biggest concern.

The labor that is done on my part, in what I perceive the role of WM NYC Secretary to be currently, is maintaining the following items. I do not believe that is part of this discussion really. BrillLyle (talk) 21:21, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Header (with assistance)
 * Calendar
 * Google calendar
 * Event page -- adding template items

An additional comment:
 * I think the Projects tab is the most redundant of the tabs that are remaining -- the content is elsewhere. It seems like this is where project work could go, with the different committees, if committees are ever set up. And if so, the Proposal that was in the Proposal area would be a nice fit with that.... Just a thought. BrillLyle (talk) 00:43, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

TASK LIST
-- Content moved: So I would like to restore the following tabs: -- BrillLyle (talk) 17:56, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Meetup/NYC/Join to Meetup/NYC/About -- BrillLyle (talk) 16:58, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Meetup/NYC/Proposals to Meetup/NYC/About -- BrillLyle (talk) 17:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Meetup/NYC/Resources
 * Meetup/NYC/Press
 * and... Change name of main tab back to "Main Page" if possible

meeting tomorrow, the 9th
I didn't see our usual note that we'd be open at 6 PM for anyone interested. Has this changed?  DGG ( talk ) 01:49, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it was an oversight. I will be there at 6.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  02:00, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Was definitely an oversight. I added it in. Apologies -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 02:02, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I will be there at 6 also.  DGG ( talk ) 04:25, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I will be there early as well.--Pharos (talk) 17:15, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Wikimedia NYC - new grant request(s) for meetups, etc
We'd like to share this with the community, please comment, improve where you can, or endorse there - m:Grants:PEG/Wikimedia New York City/2016 meetups.--Pharos (talk) 20:24, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Food
The food committee thus far seems to comprise me and with of course  as the money handler. Pinging also as chairman emeritus. 'Twould be nice to have another member but I didn't hear much about that in our conference call completed an hour ago that of course covered many other topics.

So, the plan seems to be coffee and bagels in morning schlepped from Starbuck's on Astor Place (or anyway that's the usual), sandwiches at lunch delivered from Fairway on UWS, cola and ice schlepped from K-Mart, and pizza at dinner delivered from Francesco's at 140 West 4th Street. The only thing different from previous times is the sandwiches. One week ahead of the event, 21 have said yes here on our meetup page and somewhat more elsewhere. Pessimistically we've got 50 coming; optimistically 100. I have no idea what a fathom-long sandwich costs or how many it feeds, but vendors seem always to overestimate how much each customer at an event will eat, so if we say 50 we can reasonably hope to run slightly short and not 'way long as we often have done. Ten pizzas for dinner, various toppings, would cost about a $100 and give 1.6 slice per, at 50 comers. Some will want two or three slices (four for me). Some will want to go out for more refined fare and come back for ceremonial cake. If we run short we can order several pies from Francesco's or schlep two or three from Familgia around the corner.

What I forgot to mention is that I have a 6:30 PM meeting tomorrow evening, Friday, on West 14th Street. My plan is to dine at Francesco's at 5, talk to the manager, tell him of our plans and promise a definite order around midweek when we've got fairly precise numbers. If Adam calls ahead, all the better but he will probably remember me anyway as the porter and congratulate me on my promotion. Perhaps someone can join me.

Far as I can tell, so far we've got two Upper West Siders and me, and I'm only a nice brisk walk from Fairway. So, we could all meet there this weekend (Saturday or Sunday works for me) or just me with one other to negotiate and place an order for sandwiches, custom cakes with a W or something, and maybe they can haul the cola, ice etc in their truck, instead of me and my little luggage cart. Actually, I could be at Fairway early tomorrow afternoon, Friday. Jim.henderson (talk) 03:03, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Last night's conference call was on various topics. January 7, 2016 Board Meeting Notes Jim.henderson (talk) 17:40, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi ! With kosboot's help updated the link to be on Wiki... It's not updated completely but will be hopefully in prep for tonight! Best, -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 18:15, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Alas, all the above was based on my being up to full power. After progressing far during the week, I have suffered a flu relapse, and to top it off my long-healed hand is remembering that it was broken a few years ago. So, I did not make the pizza contact and don't want to make the Fairway sandwich contact. I shall contact Francesco's anyway, and hope to be healthy enough on Saturday to do the work, but can't be sure.

-- UNLIKE! I'm so sorry to hear you're not feeling well again. That's awful. Please take it easy -- we need you at full strength! I will check with Richard about the Fairway thing and the cake ordering and it will be dealt with. Please don't worry about that -- and get better!!! Xo -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 17:04, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * All right I have ordered as "Wikipedia Jim" twelve pies with various toppings for delivery to 741 Broadway Fourth Floor on Saturday at 5PM, for $150.25. I have promised payment on Wednesday afternoon. Lacking the chapter debit card or checkbook, and uncertain of my health, someone else must go there to pay them or call 212-477-1161 to do that. Check the order to see that they have the right information and I haven't ordered unwisely. Jim.henderson (talk) 20:07, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Meetup categorization
Event pages and photos at Wikimedia events are not well sorted anywhere in the world for any Wikimedia group.

I started a conversation at Category talk:Wikipedia meetups with from Cascadia Wikimedians because he likes categories. If anyone wants to join the conversation then feel free. This is an esoteric space with no clear policy and no obvious best action, but also, it is important and it is not unlikely that a few people will come to some kind of a decision that could set a precedent.

you said above that few event photos actually make it online. One of the reasons for that is because categorization is such a disagreeable task, and Wikipedians do not have positive experiences doing uploads with categorization that they know is bad.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  20:32, 2 February 2016 (UTC)


 * -- if is willing to assist with category stuff I would be (a) VERY happy and (b) grateful -- I've witness his category magic with the upcoming A+F event pages and endorse any efforts he wants to undertake. I have neither the inclination nor talent for category work -- and hope that I don't exacerbate things by my unwillingness and inability to focus on category work. I think my Wikipedia skills lie elsewhere and don't enjoy categories how they are deployed on Wikimedia projects so....
 * That said, photos from the events -- for example the recent Wikipedia Day 15 -- are somewhat representative. We have quite a few in the event gallery as well as 96 in the Commons category.
 * Not sure what else I personally can do beyond create consistent spaces on event pages and add the categories. If folks have images on their phones/cameras and haven't uploaded, well that seems more an issue than anything. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 13:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)