Wikipedia talk:Meetup/NYC/November 2007

A suggestion for the future
Central Park sucks. [IMO] Any future meetup should seriously consider Prospect Park instead, or better yet, the nearby Brooklyn Botanic Garden. Yeah, you have to pay, but they have a special deal where for 14 bucks you get not only admission into the BBG (which is one of the most beautiful places on Earth and worth the price of admission alone) but complimentary admission to the Brooklyn Museum (the second largest museum in NYC), both within a few yards of Prospect Park, the Prospect Park Zoo, and the main Brooklyn Public Library branch, all on top of several subway lines. And the first Saturday of the month the Brooklyn Museum is open until 11 PM. Plus, Park Slope is right around the corner with many quality restaurants and things to see and do. Brooklyn, Saturday, June 7th, 2008 anyone? --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - &lt;*&gt; 16:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Gustafson has a point, however I prefer meetups to be held in restaurants. MessedRocker (talk) 17:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't go so far as to say Central Park sucks, & while Prospect Park is convenient for some, Central Park is probably more accessible to those who live outside New York City. --mordicai. 17:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Manhattan is centrally located for everyone in the New York area, whereas Prospect Park (Brooklyn) is a hike for people from the Bronx, upper Manhattan, NJ, CT, etc. However, I wouldn't mind the trip, if we're going to have frequent meet-ups, just to broaden our horizons and see other boroughs.  BTW, I think that Central Park and Prospect Park are both wonderful and don't see any reason to denigrate one location (without specifying what the problem is) when suggesting another.  -- Ssilvers 18:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, Manhattan should probably remain the place for all-out annual-scale meetups, because it's better suited to out-of-towners. But if we're going to have something like bi-monthly meetups on a more local scale (particularly if we ever want to develop a chapter, and develop relations with civic institutions), then our net should be cast about the five boroughs, and if we were going to do something later this fall, the "Heart of Brooklyn" cultural district would be a great place for it.--Pharos 18:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Also we should take into account that once we start having events that require payment (like going to the Botanical Gardens) the attendance is going to drop off dramatically. --mordicai. 18:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Virtually every meetup I can remember (with the exception of the Central park meetup) was in a restuarant where it is expected that people will order something. The effect of this on attendance was negligible. Raul654 18:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It should be pointed out that BBG is free on some days, in particular that admission is free on Saturdays 10-noon (as well as all day on Tuesdays and on winter weekdays). And it's only $4 for students when they do charge.  So the perfect date would take advantage of the free first Saturday at the Brooklyn Museum as well as the Botanic Garden in the morning (my only concern would be for Sabbath observers).  We can also reserve a free conference room at the nearby Brooklyn Public Library central branch if we file for it far enough in advance.--Pharos 19:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree that getting to Prospect Park is a bit out of the way... the Grand Army Plaza entrance is right on a major thoroughfare that any taxi driver can find, and is right on top of the 2 and 3 trains (which also stop at the Museum and Gardens). The 4, 5, and F trains are nearby, the B and Q trains stop near the zoo, and at the edge of Park Slope is the M and R.  Plenty of ways to get there.   --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - &lt;*&gt; 23:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't like the idea of paying. True, most meet-ups are in restaurants, but I don't think that's the best venue.  What made the picnic so cool was that it didn't have to cost anything, it wasn't in a formal setting, there was no pressure to leave, and it was easier to mingle and talk with a variety of people.  I always thought a restaurant sounded like a bad idea. I also think C.P. is better, but I admit I personally like Prospect Park better. -- David  Shankbone  19:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Twice a year. Summer in a park; winter in a restaurant. Central Park was only a two mile stroll for me, while Prospect Park is a similarly pleasant ten mile bike ride. Other Outer Boros also have lovely parks and restaurants, including Garden City, Mamaroneck and Newark. Manhattan will probably attract the most people, but that doesn't mean there's only one place for a big meet. Jim.henderson 19:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * For those of us on 'The Other Side of the Hudson', Manhattan, Garden City, and Newark are far more convenient, and less costly than Brooklyn. Cheers, User:odoncaoa 15:42 2007-09-21


 * I live on Staten Island, so Manhattan or Brooklyn are equally fine with me, since I'm in both boroughs daily. I don't have a car, so New Jersey is quite a hassle, and an extra transportation expense. --Scottandrewhutchins 20:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Brooklyn First Saturdays?
Because of a confluence of free events at cultural institutions, it seems to me like the Brooklyn Museum area might be an easy-to-coordinate "regular" meeting place, either monthly or if that's too much, bi-monthly. Upcoming First Saturdays are October 6, November 3 and December 1. The idea behind this would be a local "cycle" of meetups, as opposed to the more semi-annual meetups in Manhattan intended more for broader Northeastern participation. Thoughts?--Pharos 20:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A local cycle sounds reasonable. what other ideas for locations are there? Prospect Park and surroundings is a short walk for me, but I am even willing to explore the Bronx. DGG (talk) 23:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Me too. Adam 04:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me, although I'd suggest that Manhattan at least alternate with Brooklyn.... Newyorkbrad 00:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I suggest that, if an outside activity is planned, we meet up somewhere that is sheltered from rain, etc. Then, if the weather is OK, we can do an outside activity, or if it's bad, we can, say, go to an inexpensive nearby restaurant.... -- Ssilvers 00:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * A regular series of meet-ups is a good idea. What about inside the Manhattan Mall? (joke).  One idea would be that huge reconstruction of a temple at The Met; although I do not know what the logistics would be like.  But for these mini meet-ups I think restaurants work as well.  -- David  Shankbone  00:23, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I do not think the Met would be happy with the Temple of Dendur being used for a meeting room. Of course we can always meet in the surrounding area of Central Park after we are ejected. (It's not a good area for inexpensive restaurants.) DGG (talk) 04:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, let's say then we're scheduling the next meet-up for October 6 in the Prospect Park/Botanic Garden/Brooklyn Museum area. Is that good with people? It would probably be best to talk about planning beyond that stage with at the meetup itself, in person, because I find it's a bit difficult to settle on things in slow wiki-discussion. If this is good, I'll try to set up an itinerary of sorts on the front side of this page tomorrow or so. Thanks.--Pharos 01:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Oct 6 is no good for me. :-(  -- Ssilvers 02:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh well. Any other responses?  Should we pick another date (maybe the November one)?  I would be perfectly ready to go to the October date, but I might have delayed in setting this up a bit too far and I'm going to be (mostly) out of computer contact now till Sunday, so I won't be able to formally write up a proposal now or spam people.  But if someone else could take the initiative... (My idea was to have sort of an itinerary so if the group were to walk around, people could find us at different times of the day—in the morning at the free BBG entry, in the evening at the museum, perhaps in between at the park or maybe the library...)--Pharos 07:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I cannot guarantee whether or not I can go, but that seems like a capitol idea. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - &lt;*&gt; 08:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I've put the proposal up.--Pharos 07:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC) --


 * To clarify, that is on November 3DGG (talk) 12:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Chapter formation?
Please have a look at Wikimedia New York City, and sign up if you're interested. I hope we can bring ideas on this to the next meet-up. Thanks.--Pharos 01:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not clear to me how to sign up. I have that page and this one on my watchlist, but could someone please post a link to the instructions?

166.84.144.29 20:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing has been created yet, it's just that you should put your username down on that page if you wish to be kept up to date on developments with the creation of a chapter.  Cbrown1023   talk   23:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikimania
We have a lot of really bright folks living around here... anyone want to put together a bid for Wikimania 2009 for NYC? I think New York would be a great place for a Wikimania, and it seems like a no-brainer provided a competent bid could be drawn up. If people are seriously interested, we should get started soon. Thoughts? --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - &lt;*&gt; 00:08, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Atlanta is a better bid, more technological and the groundwork is already drawn up. Also if you assume that it's a no-brainer, you obviously haven't seen the bid process. &rArr;    SWAT Jester    Denny Crane.  03:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, please note that the Atlanta team is hosting the "Conference of the Americas" in Atlanta this year. &rArr;    SWAT Jester    Denny Crane.  03:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I could care less about Atlanta. To say that New York City, a world capitol, is second to anyone in North America in terms of convention space, technology, and media is frankly near cited.  --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - &lt;*&gt; 03:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * As someone who volunteered for the Boston event and plans to attend the newly announced Alexandria event, I'd be interested in exploring NYC as a future venue for Wikimania. It will be held here eventually, so we should start planning a bid, which will improve over time. As of this morning, I'd be in favor of supporting the Atlanta bid for 2009, unless somebody can pull United Nations, Columbia or NYU facilities out of their hat. At this point, however, we're still talking about a convention which only hosts about 500 people. The real benefit to the NYC attendee would be the comparative ease for air travel world-wide to the venue. (hmmm... United Nations... I wonder...)BusterD 12:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My point being while Atlanta can literally cut and paste their very good bid into the bid page for 2009 and will have an entire year to tweak it, we'd be hitting the ground in plenty of time to setup a very good bid. It would be an uphill climb, but certainly climbable. Downside of a successful Atlanta bid is that once North America is the continent chosen, it would be three years or so before the rotation would allow NYC. I suggest we pony up before March, or focus instead on 2010 or 2011. BusterD 13:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like the bidding this cycle will be expedited according to the latest signpost. Bidding for 2009 will begin very quickly, and be decided by mid-December. Some of the North America bids have been in development for 14 months. If want to submit a bid, we'd need facility committments by Thanksgiving. BusterD 22:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

NYC 4
Which were 1, 2, and 3? I'm guessing December 2006 was 1, and the picnic 2? Something's off... Jd2718 23:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * See Meetup/NYC1. The first meetup was December 12, 2004.--Pharos 16:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Brooklyn Botanic Garden
Does anyone really know their way around the Brooklyn Botanic Garden (I'm familiar with a couple of the highlights, but I couldn't do a tour-leading type thing, at least not without consultation of their map brochure)? For informational purposes, I'll also note there is a tour scheduled that day at 1 PM.--Pharos 16:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The free 1pm tour might be interesting, but if people want to pay $$$$$$$$$$ for a private group tour, it might be worth the expense. On the other hand, you really don't need to be guided at all to enjoy the BBG; it's organized in a very linear, easy-to-follow way.  Everything is labeled and easy to appreciate.  You people are in for a treat; fall colors should be more apparent by then (it's like 80 degrees in NYC this weekend; the trees still think it's summer).--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 17:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Its really quite large, but not too much so, and there is no point in picking a place inside it to try to go to... When I visited the first time, I simply meandered around, and managed to hit everything within a few hours, and personally found it more pleasurable to stumble across its treasures rather than to try to find them.  In any event, the Garden is very easy to navigate, and you get a map with admission.  --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - &lt;*&gt; 06:07, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A convenient central point is simply outside the visitor center, which is also where the restrooms are . As The Fat Man... says,  the map make a tour rather unnecessary--we'll see each other repeatedly.  This is much more compact than, say, the NY Botanical Gardens in the Bronx, which is one of the reasons people love it. Try to leave time for the conservatory.  Note, by the way, that there is no picnicking, though purchased snack are available.  DGG (talk) 21:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That is probably a better entrance to meet at, at 1000 Washington Avenue. I'm going to change it.--Pharos 03:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * For visits on busy days I like either the east (Wash Ave) or the south (Flat Ave) gate better, but for strangers the north (Eastern Parkway) gate is the only one they're sure to find. To meet fellow cogniscienti, I tell them the northeast corner of the Cherry Esplanade.  Well, in cherry season, anyway, which this very much ain't.  Jim.henderson 03:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, I think you're right. I'll change it back.--Pharos 03:41, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree it would be good to meander, but still I am glad that several of our members seem to have a much better knowledge of the garden than I. It will be good to have folks on hand who can answer our curious members on botany and landscaping and the history of the place. I'll try to take up some of the slack at the museum, which I'm more intimately acquainted with.--Pharos 04:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Spamming
You can now use   (see Meetup/NYC/Invite) to spam more people with invites. Next time I guess it'll be more efficient to set up a centralized spam list, but this'll work for now.--Pharos 17:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Bring your ideas
It would be fantastic if people could bring their concrete ideas and proposals, especially as regards the development and activities of meta:Wikimedia New York City. I don't mean to be too formalistic, but it would probably be helpful if you could even have something written prepared beforehand, just a paragraph or two, so we can pass it around and drive discussion and record things more easily.--Pharos 18:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Meetup time for Shabbat observers
I'm thinking of adding a second meetup time of 8 PM or so for Shabbat observers outside the museum, so that they can join the rest of the group, which would otherwise be wandering a bit about the museum. I'll probably go outside at that time to take whoever's there back to the main group. Is this a good idea?--Pharos 21:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I've implemented this.--Pharos 03:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Logistics
I don't quite understand the logistics of how a 12 hour meeting is going to work. How can anything be productively discussed if we have two people showing up for a meeting at one place at one time, two people at another place and another time, etc. I'm a little confused how this is supposed to work. Over such a broad expanse of time, and in several different venues, with what is looking like around 10-15 people spread out at varying times. -- David  Shankbone  13:40, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This is um, a legitimate criticism. The least I can say is I will be there throughout, and try to carry the different ideas raised through to all who come.  Perhaps we should concentrate a "discussion period" for a particular time and place (perhaps at the library or the latter part of the museum)?--Pharos 14:43, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think if this is an organizational meeting, it should be a focused time and a focused place. I think all the stuff that is currently planned sounds wonderful...after a chapter has been organized.  We might be putting the cart before the horse.  IMO, it would be better to do a restaurant-style meeting of people who are interested in starting a chapter, maybe elect a "leader" of some sort who will be the go-to person for getting things moving on meetings, etc., and then start planning outings.  Otherwise, my concern is that this is going to be 12 hours of people trying to figure out who is with Wikipedia, and one or two of us walking around the grounds wondering where everyone is, if anyone is even there.  And the thought of catching each person who shows up on the random talk that has already happened sounds...unpleasant.  -- David  Shankbone  14:52, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe you're right. "Logistics nightmare" was a bit of a fear I've had in the back of my mind, and I'm starting to see the great merit of downscaling.  I'm trying to think of a way to salvage part of this, though, because I think the museum thing is a bit of an attraction.--Pharos 15:23, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Why not just schedule the meeting for a particular 2-3hr. time slot, and call the other events "optional"? -- Ssilvers 19:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The obvious place for this is of course the library--am I right that you have obtained a meeting room? If so, should we perhaps meet there inside, instead of on the steps? If the museum is the main attraction, than that 2 hour slot should be on the late side. But for those who start at the Garden, people will be getting tired by then. Perhaps we should have a fixed time for a lunch/dinner recess. DGG (talk) 02:02, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree with Ssilvers that it would be best to schedule a two hour slot (mid-to-late afternoon would perhaps be easiest for the most people--I'm completely guessing on this) for the actual "meeting" to discuss a local chapter. Folks who cannot come during the official meeting period could come at other times of the day and hopefully connect with at least one or two people who would be at the larger meeting and able to express the ideas and concerns of those who could not make it. First Saturdays at the Bucktown Museum is not an especially good place for a real, let's-briefly-get-down-to-business-and-figure-out-what-in-the-hell-we-are-doing meeting I think, but it would be a nice spot to adjourn to afterwards, as would a number of bars or restaurants in the immediate area. The library off Grand Army Plaza closes at 6:00 on Saturdays, but I'm sure that would be a good place to have a meeting (which would probably be happy to accommodate us) so long as we book a meeting room for an early enough time.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 08:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it will not be possible to reserve a meeting room in the Central Library. The rooms there are very large (much larger than our needs) and they're booked up two months in advance. I apologize for not realizing this problem sooner. I'm going to try to reserve a room at the Pacific Library instead, which is nearby and conveniently also on the 2 line. Again, I'm sorry this is going to be slightly out-of-the-way with regards to our original plans.--Pharos 17:15, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've reserved the room from 2 - 4 PM at the Pacific Library.--Pharos 18:05, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Schedule rearranged
OK, I've changed the schedule around entirely now. Is this good? If there are no concerns, I've going to message everyone about the new schedule soon to ensure that everyone knows where they're going.--Pharos 18:23, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * So, it's an almost noon pre meeting outdoors on top of the hill, then an afternoon meeting indoors at the foot of the hill, grab dinner while traveling up the slope to the early evening post meeting indoors on top of the hill, followed by a late evening second session of the post meeting. Hey; we're the ones who said we're smart enough to write an encyclopedia, so this shouldn't be a strain.  Jim.henderson 21:07, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, yeah I know. I'm trying to satisfy David's very reasonable desire for an actual formal sit-down organizational meeting, separate from the other activities.  So I've labeled the other activities "optional", and set the formal event at the Pacific Library.  It's one short and convenient train ride between the "top of the hill" and the "bottom of the hill" (I did this intentionally), so noone should have to hike unless they particularly want to (and I'll help with the Metrocarding if that's needed).  Don't worry about the museum "second session"; that really only concerns people who can't make it to the rest of the activities.  In future, I guess we'll separate this stuff out entirely: meetings and "activities" on separate days.  We could have done that this time, but I felt we were too far in now to rework entirely; anyway, we'll have a better idea of how these things work out after this event is over, and we can certainly plan better for the next one.--Pharos 17:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The issues aren't ones of intelligence or physical ability, but of time. Simply put: most of us don't have 12 hours to spare in one day to stroll around, but still might want to assist in hammering out important issues.  So Pharos coming up with a reasonable time frame that lets those of us with limited time know when to be there to get the main issues worked out is helpful.  If discussion happens before or after the main meeting, all the better.  Good job Pharos.  -- David  Shankbone  18:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Brooklyn Museum events schedule released
The Brooklyn Museum has just released their their schedule for November 3. What appeals to people?--Pharos 03:19, 27 October 2007 (UTC)--Pharos 03:19, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The jazz would probably be fun, but I'm also very tempted to see Days of Heaven on a large screen. I've meant to watch that film for awhile as it is supposed to be quite excellent. However it's probably not a great group activity. The Infinite Island exhibition might be cool too.--Bigtimepeace | talk |  contribs 19:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Meeting minutes
One thing I want to avoid is having a productive 2-hour meeting at the Pacific Library with important ideas raised, but it not being preserved for appreciation and further discussion by the broader audience of people interested in chapter formation. We should really have a full meeting minutes available online, for the benefit especially of those unable to attend. Is anyone good at note-taking? Or, alternatively, does anyone have the wherewithal to make an audio recording? Thanks.--Pharos 19:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I could bring a tape recorder (just a mid-sized hand-held thing of average quality but it would probably catch most of the conversation, though it's not digital or anything) but I agree it would be good to have someone taking notes as well and that the minutes should be placed online. Perhaps we can use a combo of notetaking during the meeting and an audio tape with the latter played back to fill in any gaps in the former.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 19:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Photos taken in the museum cannot be free images
Not by our standards, anyway. See their policy on making visual works in the museum: Is photography or videography permitted in the Museum? ''Photography and videography are allowed in the Museum so long as the images are taken using existing light only (no flash) and are for personal, non-commercial use. Photography and videography are often restricted in special exhibition galleries; please consult with the Visitor Center upon arrival.'' Legally, your entry into the museum, even if it's free, constitutes acceptance of these terms, since it's purely voluntary on your part and the museum itself is private property. The ban on commercial reuse would preclude the upload of any of these images to Commons ... they would have to be here under an irreplaceable fair-use claim. Yes, many of the works are public domain. But the Bridgeman case that established the public-domain status of privately taken images of public-domain artworks concerned Corel's reuse of the images, not original images taken by Corel on Bridgeman's property. (Also, IIRC, the museum's collection does include a number of copyrighted contemporary works, and any that are three-dimensional cannot be freely photographed under US law in any case).

I know there are people on Commons who chafe when this is pointed out to them. They think we should set up a legal challenge. Well, they can do it with their own money. Or rather, lose it with their own money. Property rights is going to win hands down against freedom of expression here (otherwise, I can't tell you not to trash-talk my mother in my house).

So, I think we should err on the side of our own definition of free content and not upload any images taken in the museum to Commons, nor here under free licenses. And we definitely ought to change the wording on the project page. Daniel Case 02:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is not a meaningful statement in copyright law. They can't own copyright for images they didn't create of artworks they don't own the rights to.  Yes, they can kick me out for trespassing if they don't like what I'm doing (highly unlikely) — but that cannot affect the copyright of photographs.  BTW, yes, I know they have copyrighted modern art there as well — of course those works could not be a proper subject for free-content photography--Pharos 02:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Meaningful statement or not, it has never been put to a legal test AFAIK and I really don't think Wikipedia with its limited financial resources should be the one to decide to do it (They could kick you out for trespassing, yes ... and then get an injunction against your publication of the picture, which trumps the copyright or lack thereof of the subject). This discussion's presence would not make any defense lawyer's life easy, for one thing. I really urge anyone attending to err on caution's side and create only images for which there will be no potential legal encumbrances. (Of course, we could also ask the museum's permission for unlimited commercial reproduction of low-resolution images, and forward that to Commons if we get it). As for the rest of this discussion, I invite anyone who wants to continue it to do so with me in person. Daniel Case 16:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Anyone bringing nametags?
A couple of people brought a roll of those commercial stick-on nametags last time. Um, it would be good if they brought them again (or if other people brought them). It's great to have Wikipedia-specific ones, but it's likely most people won't be bringing their own — so a roll would be good. Thanks.--Pharos 02:40, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I created one specifically to donate into the pd for WikiMeetups, uploaded it, and placed it on the Project Page. Nightscream 08:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Food
The itinerary says, "There will be an opportunity to possibly get something to eat in the area after [the library meeting]." You should go for Jamaican food!! That's what BKLYN is known for, among other things. There's more than one excellent place (w/ vegetarian options) near the Pacific library.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 13:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Lets take a hike down Atlantic Ave to an Arab restaurant--Woogie10w 16:11, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Re:. Heh, I told you so. Where did you go?--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 01:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It was some place right across the street which we picked on the spur of the moment (influenced by your advice, thank you). I had a tasty jerk chicken and sides at a decent price.  I'm sorry I can't remember the place's name, though.--Pharos 02:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Live meeting notes
edited here. —CComMack (t–c) 18:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Checking in briefly from the family gathering where I am spending today instead of at the meet-up. I'm sorry I'm not with you all, and will certainly see you at the next one. Newyorkbrad 19:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC)