Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:SkagitRiverQueen/Archive 1

Moved from main page
I moved the long exchanges here from the main page. Long exchanges can dissuade other people from commenting (WP:TLDR). A lot of this is personal quibbling that doesn't belong there anyway. Equazcion ( talk ) 21:47, 22 Dec 2009 (UTC)

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There are many exchanges, reports, and warnings involving User:JoyDiamond that are from pages other than your talk page; the same for some postings by User:FeralDruid (actually those were about JoyDiamond too). Equazcion ( talk ) 18:10, 22 Dec 2009 (UTC)


 * Correct. And they are all there for the reasons I explained to you on my talk page.  Their inclusion has to do with the ongoing conflict between JoyDiamond and myself.  As I also explained to you on my talk page, I am keeping them as a record of the events surrounding the conflict and they will remain there until the article that seems to stir up the most conflict from JoyDiamond in regard to me is unlocked in February.  At that time, I will decided whether or not the conflict is resolved.  Until that particular article is unlocked and JoyDiamond demonstrates that she can edit in harmony with me (rather than in conflict with me), I am keeping *everything* surrounding that issue as a precaution and in case any of it needs to be referenced. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 18:18, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That's what makes this not a talk page archive. It's a list of misdeeds, and one that you're keeping relatively long-term for no specific purpose. That's exactly what WP:UP says is not allowed. Equazcion  ( talk ) 18:34, 22 Dec 2009 (UTC)


 * Not allowed on a USER PAGE, not on a talk page archive. They are not the same and the policy is for User Pages, NOT talk page archives.  Why are you having a hard time understanding this is totally beyond my comprehension.  --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 18:58, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * The WP:UP policy regards all pages in one's userspace. Equazcion  ( talk ) 19:00, 22 Dec 2009 (UTC)


 * See below (response re: subpages) -SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 19:16, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

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Again, WP:UP covers all pages in your userspace. It includes subpages and talk pages. Equazcion ( talk ) 19:04, 22 Dec 2009 (UTC)


 * My Talk Page Archive is a subpage of my user space, and subpages can be used as follows: "Your user space consists of "subpages" of your user page and talk page. Page names that start with "User:", followed by your user name, followed by a forward slash (/), are in your user space. To create one, edit your user page and add a link starting with a forward slash (/); for example, /Example. Save the page, and follow the link that was added to create the page. To create more pages in your user space, return to your user page and add other such links, for example /Test or /Sandbox. You can use your user space for anything you like, provided it is related in some way to the Wikipedia project; Wikipedia is not a free web host, and user pages used for something else may be deleted." My archive is most certainly related to the Wikipedia project.  --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 19:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Any subpage in your userspae is subject to all of the rules stated in other areas of the WP:UP policy. The rules listed in WP:UP apply to subpages as well as your top user page. The same way you can't make violent statements or advertisements on your main user page, you also can't do that on subpages in your userspace. The same goes for the rule regarding the collection of negative information on others. Again: These rules are not limited to your main user page. They go for all pages within your userspace, which includes your subpages. Equazcion  ( talk ) 19:21, 22 Dec 2009 (UTC)


 * I can't imagine that "the rule regarding the collection of negative information on others" means I must delete anything that might be seen as negative and has either been a part of my talk page or a part of anyone else's talk page - especially if I am keeping anything related to a current conflict that has yet to be resolved. Again, once the conflict JoyDiamond has with me appears to be resolved - and this cannot be determined prior to the Karel article being unlocked and editing is once again allowed - everything in my archive that did not come directly from my talk page will be deleted from the archive. --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 19:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The rules states that you can only use your userspace this way if it's in preparation for a dispute resolution process started in a timely fashion. I don't personally think 4 months qualifies as timely, especially considering you don't even know whether or not you'll be using a dispute resolution process. I'd suggest storing this stuff in a text file on your local computer, rather than maintaining it in public view. Equazcion  ( talk ) 19:30, 22 Dec 2009 (UTC)


 * I see. And the reason why you didn't "suggest" this before bringing the whole matter here after issuing your a delete-it-or-else-i'm-gonna-tell-on-you threat is...?  --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 19:34, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Because I hate you, of course, as you suspected, and am in league with your enemies. It's all a big conspiracy. :) If you needed to be informed that you had the option to save things on your local computer rather than in public, then I apologize. I should have let you know. My priority was just to let you know about the problem with the page. And I didn't make threats until you responded to me adversarially, as you continue to do. If you do indeed fix the page, let me know and we can withdraw this nomination. Equazcion  ( talk ) 19:43, 22 Dec 2009 (UTC)


 * Excuse me for not finding your "Because I hate you..." comment funny - in fact, I find it pretty inappropriate under the circumstances. Nonetheless...of course I responded to you in an adversarial manner - from what I can see, your out-of-the-blue invasion, accusational questioning and subsequent demands would put anyone on the defensive.  Add that to the fact that I haven't exactly had a smooth ride in Wikipedia the last few months, and...can you blame me?  What's more, why would I even consider that I should keep the contents of my talk page archive on my own computer when, (a) countless editors keep archives, and (b) I didn't think what I archived would be a problem for anyone - especially since it's no longer on my talk page but in an archive which isn't really meant for anyone other than me (exactly why the warning at the top of the archive page that says, "do not delete or edit" is there).  Regardless, there is still a delete vote and a keep vote here - I would like to see what other editors and/or administrators have to say in the process before I go through the time-consuming effort (it *is* Christmas week and I really have much better and important things to do than weed through my archive page) of cleaning the page.  --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 19:59, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Countless other editors keep archives, but those archives are just copies of discussions that have been moved from their talk pages. That's what the term means on Wikipedia -- see WP:ARCHIVE -- rather than being a collection of snippets from various places regarding a conflict. Equazcion  ( talk ) 20:25, 22 Dec 2009 (UTC)


 * Why are you revisiting this? You gave me your compromise, and now you choose to continue to argue the point?  But, since you seem to want to keep this alive, how about you back up your claim above by going through every single Wikipedia editor's talk-page archive.  When you have conclusive evidence that "countless" Wikipedia editors *only* have exactly what you say a talk page archive is allowed to have, then your claim would be credible.  Until then, you are merely speculating.  --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 20:34, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * My use of "countless" was referring to your statement that "countless editors keep archives". What they have is different from what you have, though. Outside Wikipedia, an archive could be a collection of common writings, but it has a more technical definition here. It refers more to a type of content (moved old discussions from the parent page, and that's not speculation) rather than a simple page title. If people have something else in their pages that they've titled "archive"s, then those aren't really archives at all, by wiki standards. What you have can be considered as a "recording of perceived flaws" or "negative information on others". Your calling it an "archive" is neither here nor there, as in, that "countless other editors keep archives [and therefore why should mine be a problem]". Equazcion  ( talk ) 21:21, 22 Dec 2009 (UTC)


 * PS. I'm not sure what compromise you're referring to. Equazcion  ( talk ) 22:20, 22 Dec 2009 (UTC)


 * The "compromise" I was referring to is, "I'd suggest storing this stuff in a text file on your local computer, rather than maintaining it in public view". To me, that's a compromise.  Now, according to Wikipedia policy, I can, and should, keep talk page archives.  Since I didn't realize until yesterday that by keeping what I was keeping I was violating Wikipedia policy, why should my entire archive be deleted?  What I'm fighting for here is keeping the talkpage-only material and deleting the remainder.  --SkagitRiverQueen (talk) 21:54, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * That's really all anyone's asking for (that you delete the bad stuff). Whenever a page is put up for deletion it can be fixed in the interim to save it. Equazcion  ( talk ) 22:00, 23 Dec 2009 (UTC)