Wikipedia talk:News articles

AFDs for news stories(May 10-September 19, 2007)
Note: this list includes articles about people, things or incidents which were newsworthy and have 2 or more press or TV citations, but some do not judge to be encyclopedic. In a few cases, there are news articles about the subject, but no one bothered to add the news sources. Edison 15:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC) Edison 16:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I no longer have the time to try to include 100% of such articles,from AFDs. Others are encouraged to add those they spot. Edison 16:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Madeleine McCann May 10, 2007. 3 year old UK child disappeared May 3 in Portugal. Article created May 5. Edison 22:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Closed as Keep (widespread news coverage continues.) Edison 03:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Stacy Meyer May 11, 2007. Worker entered electrical vault at Scientology premises without authorization or safety precautions and was electricuted. Anti-scientology sites called it was a suspicious death,but officially an accident. Edison 20:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Closed as No consensus, default to Keep Edison 18:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Deleted after second AFD, which closed 24 Dec 2010. Edison (talk) 18:53, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Esmie Tseng May 26, 2007. Minor convicted of manslaughter. Deleted. Edison 20:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Rachelle Waterman May 27, 2007. Minor acquitted of complicity in murder of her mother, blogged about trial. 10,000 Google hits. Edison 20:16, 29 May 2007 (UTC) Deleted Edison 22:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Pumpkin-headed deer May 29, 2007. Deer got in the newspapers and TV for having a pumpkin or pumpkin-shaped plastic bucket stuck on head. Article mentioned several cases. DeletedEdison 18:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Murder of Joe Geeling May 29, 2007. Schoolboy murdered by another schoolboy. Several BBC stories as sources.Deleted Edison 18:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Alamjan Nematilaev May 29, 2007 Medical case.'''Merged to Fetus in fetu and redirected Edison 19:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Delimar Vera Cuevas May 30, 2007. Kidnapped girl reunited with her parents. DeletedEdison 14:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Murder of Rachel Moran June 2, 2007 Murder victim. DeletedEdison 22:45, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Tanya Kach June 3, 2007 Abductee. Article deleted by administrator as a WP:BLP/WP:DIGNITY violation. At DRV. Edison 23:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Kayla Rolland June 4, 2007. 6 year old boy shot and killed 6 year old girl. Deleted Edison 18:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Gilberta Estrada June 4, 2007. Mother hanged her four young daughters and herself. The youngest survived. Closed as DeleteEdison 19:20, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Rose (goat) June 5, 2007. A man allegedly caught raping a goat was made to pay a dowry. Closed as KeepEdison 21:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Kelsey Smith June 6, 2007. 18 year old woman abducted from mall and murdered. No ConsensusEdison 19:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Murder of Anthony Walker June 6, 2007 17 year old British black student murdered in racial hate crime. Closed as KeepEdison 20:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Mary Ann Leneghan June 6, 2007. 16 year old girl raped and murdered by gang. Closed as DeleteEdison 20:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Richard Whelan June 6, 2007. Murder victim. Closed as DeleteEdison 20:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/2007 murder of Red Cross workers in Sri Lanka June 6, 2007 Closed as No ConsensusEdison 22:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * (Articles for deletion/Wang Jeu June 8, 2007. Chinese woman stomped a kitten to death and video was posted on the web, gained publicity. Closed as Delete Closing said "The result was Delete per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:BLP. - KrakatoaKatie 22:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)"Edison 05:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Openshaw Internet statements June 8, 2007. Newspapers reported a judge said he did not know what a web site was. Closed as Delete Edison 15:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Murder of Danielle Jones June 10, 2007. Murder of 15 year old British girl. Closed as KeepEdison 21:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Hannah Williams (murder victim) June 10, 2007 Murdered 14 year old British girl. Closed as Keep Edison 21:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Murder of Hannah Foster June 10, 2007. Murder of 17 year old British girl. Suspect fled the country. Closed as No Consensus Edison 21:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Katelyn Faber (2nd nomination) June 11, 2007. 18 year old alleged she was raped by basketball star Kobe Bryant. Deleted and redirected to Kobe Bryant sexual assault caseEdison 17:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Charlotte Pinkney June 11, 2007. Murdered 16 year old British girl. Closed as DeleteEdison 17:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Mirely López (2) June 11, 2007 Infant was found alive in an apartment with bodies of mother and 3 other adults. Closed as DeleteEdison 17:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Phil Nickson June 12, 2007. In 1985 a man was killed by a blow to the head by person unknown. Closed as Delete'  Edison 21:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Obama Girl June 16, 2007. Video of girl singing about how she likes Obama, Youtube meme. No consensus so kept. Edison 19:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Jessica Michalik June 17, 2007. 15 year old at concert died of asphyxia in mosh pit at concert when crowd surged. result was Delete. Overturned by WP:DRV on June 28 and article was Restored and keptEdison 16:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Bride Has Massive Hair Wig Out 2 Viral marketing video in which an actress portrayed a bride having hissy fit about hair. Result was Keep Edison 16:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Jessie James (murder victim) June 19, 2007 15 year old boy shot to death in Britain. Result was Delete Edison 16:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Richard Guadagno June 19, 2007. 9/11 victim on one of the planes. His friends think he might have been involved in fighting the hijackers. Result was Delete Edison 16:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Jeremy Glick (September 11, 2001 attack victim) June 19, 2007. Passenger on United Flight 93 gave useful info about hijackers in celphone calls and participated in atempt to retake plane. Result was Delete Edison 16:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Edward P. Felt June 19, 2007 Passenger on 9/11 on United Flight 93, made a celphone call. Result was Keep Edison 16:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Margita Bangová Roma begger in Canada, whose whole body shakes, called a fake by newspaper columnist. Result was Keep.Then 20:03, 2 July 2007 JzG (Talk | contribs) deleted "Margita Bangová" with comment"(Egregious violation of WP:BLP. Local news story masquerading as a biography, nothing but a vehicle for bigotry.)"
 * Articles for deletion/Waleska Martínez June 19, 2007. Passenger on flight 93 and victim of 9/11 . The result was redirect to United Airlines Flight 93 Edison 16:54, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Erika Nordby June 19, 2007. 13 month old revived after freezing outside for hours with extremely low body temperature. Result was Merge to Hibernation and Redirect' Edison 17:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Brahim Yadel June 20, 2007. Prisoner at Guantanamo. No consensus reached, default to Keep Edison 13:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Tawana Brawley June 21, 2007. 15 year old Black girl in New York state claimed she was raped in 1987 by several whites, including law enforcement officials. Discredited. Snowball Keep but renamed Tawana Brawley rape case Edison 15:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Tyler Dumstorf June 21, 2007. 15 year old shot police officers with M1 rifle, then committed suicide. Result was Delete Edison 15:07, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/William Quentin Jones June 22, 2007. Murderer was executed. The result was delete Edison 19:00, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Hiroshi Maeue June 22, 2007. Man in Japan sentenced to die for killing 3 people he met online in a "suicide club" who thought he was going to commit suicide with them. He murdered them instead. Result was Keep Edison 19:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Lisa Michelle Lambert June 22, 2007. Girl convicted of murdering rival she had stalked. TV movie made about it. Result was DeleteEdison 19:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Georgia Brown (child prodigy) June 22, 2007. 2 year old got high score on IQ test and is Mensa member. The result was delete Edison 20:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Jessie Davis June 24, 2007. Missing pregnant white woman found dead. Nomination Withdrawn after article was retitled and rewritten somewhat as Disappearance and murder of Jessie Davis also nominated for deletion June 26; see below.Edison 01:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Leo Vardiashvili youthful killer in (former Soviet) Georgia. The result was DeleteEdison 18:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Disappearance and murder of Jessie Davis June 26, 2007 See June 24 as well. Missing pregnant white woman murdered. Result was No Consensus Edison 17:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Patrick Knight June 27, 2007. Murderer of two people said he wanted a joke to tell as his last words. Later changed his mind before execution. Result was No Consensus.Edison 15:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Katherine Phillips July 2, 2007 Foreign teacher detained in Kuwait allegedly because she followed policies and gave the son of an influential Kuwaiti a days detention for fighting. The result was Keep after move to Katherine Phillips detention incident Edison 17:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Jennifer Ann Crecente (2nd nomination) July 4, 2007. High school student shot to death by former boyfriend. The result was keep Edison 00:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Ghadir Mokheimer July 7, 2007. 10 year old girl shot to death by Israeli Defense Force. The result was delete Edison 04:35, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/2007 Western North American heat wave July 9, 2007. There are currently and in the recent past and in the predicted future high temperatures and resulting drought and fires. The result was keep.Edison 15:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Dawn-Marie Wesley July 9, 2007. 14 year old Canadian girl was bullied by other girls and committed suicide. Widely cited as case of "bulleycide" and was subject of documentary film. The result was Move to Dawn-Marie Wesley suicide.Edison 00:03, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/2007 French Alps coach crash July 10, 2007. A bus hit a rock on a road in the Alps and 4 passengers were injured. The result was deleteEdison 19:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Al Gore III and Noelle Bush July 10, 2007. (AFD title malformed, copied it as listed) Offspring of politicians got in the news for sppeeding, and or drug problems. After lengthy debate for the two articles, the debate was closed as "no consensus" with a suggestion that in the future if Al Gore III or Noelle Bush are nominated it should be separately. Edison 19:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Thorsby, Alabama grade crossing accident July 12, 2007. Four people killed when train hit vehicle. Result was Merge into Thorsby, Alabama .Edison 16:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Biaora level crossing accident Train in India hit oxcart and killed 8 people. The result was delete Edison 16:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/2006 Huntsville bus accident July 12, 2007. School bus acciden killed 4, led to pilot program requiring seat belt use in buses in the state. No consensus, defalut keep Edison 18:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Christina Marie Williams (2nd nomination) July 16, 2007. 13 year old was kidnapped, and her remains were found several months later. No perpetrator arrested. Clint Eastwood and Reggie Jackson made public service announcements while she was missing. Closed as keep Edison 20:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Cesar Ivan Aguilar-Cano July 16, 2007. Four year old boy in Kentucky was kidnapped and found dead. Closed as delete Edison 20:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Thomas Arthur Green July 16, 2007. Man married several girls as young as 13. Was subject of a documentary film. Closed as KeepEdison 21:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Charlotte Cleverley-Bisman July 18, 2007. Baby in New Zealand got meningococcal infection requiring amputation of arms and legs; press coverage continues three years later as "face of campaign" to get immunizations, and covering her learning to use prosthetics. Closed as KeepEdison 15:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/July 20, 2007 Oakland Earthquake July 21, 2007. 4.2 magnitude earthquake in Oakland California, caused minor damage such as broken windows and merchandise falling off shelves. Result was Delete.Edison 04:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Jocelyne Couture-Nowak (4th nomination) July 24, 2007. Instructor killed in massacre at Virginia Tech. Result was No consensus. Edison 15:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Rachel Scott Aug 6, 2007. A shooting victim at Columbine High School. Her family wrote books about her and started a foundation named after her. Result was Keep Edison 02:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Larisa Arapdate=2007 August 9 Aug. 9, 2007. (AFD title malformed, copied it as listed)Russian political dissident involuntarily locked up in psychiatric hospital in what papers call a return to Soviet style psychiatric abuse.Keep Edison 19:46, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Casey William Hardison Aug. 9, 2007. American chemist convicted of violating British drug laws. Reportedly supports use of psychotropic drugs for religious purposes. Userfied to User:Sambc/Casey William Hardison. Edison 18:48, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Amy Crowhurst Aug. 11, 2007. 12 year old got pregnant, gave birth at 13. Not Britains or world's youngest mother. Result was Delete Edison 18:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Glenn Murphy Jr. Aug. 11, 2007. Leader of Young Republicans (born 1974) resigned "during a criminal investigation for (allegedly) sexually assaulting a sleeping 22-year-old man after a Young Republicans party on 29 July 2007." Result was Keep Edison 18:27, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Brian Hicks Aug. 14, 2007. Alleged to be a suspect in a murder, other allegations of criminal conduct, zero references. Speedily deleted per WP:BLP and WP:SNOW. Edison 19:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Simon Atlee Aug. 16, 2007. Photographer and fiance of supermodel Petra Němcová, he drowned in tsumnami. Edison 19:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)Result was "Merge and redirect to Petra Němcová" Edison (talk) 01:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Cecelia Cichan Aug. 16, 2007. Four year old was lone survivor of a plane crash in 1987. 20 years later her life goes on. Result was Merge and redirect to Northwest Airlines Flight 255Edison 20:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/John Smeaton (baggage handler) (2nd nomination) Aug. 18, 2007 Man assisted police in apprehending suspect at the 2007 Glasgow International Airport attack. The result was Merge to 2007 Glasgow International Airport Attack, with no prejudice against possible future recreation. Edison 22:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Brent Morel Aug. 19, 2007. Marine captain killed in Iraq, received Navy Cross for heroism. Result was KeepEdison 23:04, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Connie Talbot Aug. 19, 2007. 6 year old girl was runner up in "Britain's Got Talent" show, got and lost record contract, had Youtube video with 8 million views. Result was No consensusEdison 15:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Bessie Cursons Aug. 20, 2007. Child born 1995 entered "Britain's Got Talent" and lost in finals.Result was Delete Edison 15:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Anton Reid Aug 23, 2007. Youth sports player, 16, died during practice, and the death was covered by news media. Result was DeleteEdison 20:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Azia Kim Aug 26, 2007. Posed as Stanford University student for 8 moonths in 2006-2007, attending classes, staying in dorm. Edison 21:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC) - result was delete BLP1.
 * Articles for deletion/John Couey Aug. 24, 2007. Convicted sex offender murdered a child in the neighborhood, Jessica Lunsford. Edison 03:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC) result was Keep
 * Snowball (Hurricane Katrina dog) Aug. 29, 2007. Katrina evacuee tearfully was torn from his pet dog, leading to national indignation. Edison 06:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC) redirected to: Pets Evacuation and Transportation Standards Act
 * Articles for deletion/Camille Cleverley Sept 18, 2007. College student disappeared, last seen alive on August 30, 2007, and her body was found on September 9 at base of cliff. Presumed dead from accidental fall. Edison 16:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC) result was Delete
 * Articles for deletion/Qian Xun Xue Sept 19, 2007. Child found abandoned in Australian railway station, Mother's body found in trunk of car, police seeking father. Edison 13:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC) result was keep - redirected to Qian Xun Xue case
 * University of Florida Taser incident Sept 19, 2007. Student tasered at Kerry Q&A session at a college when he would not yield the microphone. Edison 13:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC) result was keep

Other policies and guidelines with similar provisions
Since the discussions on this guideline proposal occurred, two official policy pages have had certain provision added similar to ideas expressed here, and have been cited in AFDs, as has this (now) essay: WP:NOT In WP:NOT says 10:News reports. Wikipedia properly considers the long-term historical notability of persons and events, keeping in mind the harm our work might cause. The fact that someone or something has been in the news for a brief period of time does not automatically justify an encyclopedia article. While Wikipedia strives to be comprehensive, the policies on biographies of living persons and neutral point of view should lead us to appropriately contextualize events. The briefer the appearance of a subject in the news the less likely it is to create an acceptably comprehensive encyclopedic biography. Even when news events themselves merit an encyclopedia article of their own, additional biographies of person(s) involved may not be necessary as they could largely duplicate relevant information. Timely news articles, however, are welcome on our sister project Wikinews." This provision was added on May 28, 2007 by User:Jimbo Wales tp What Wikipedia is not.

This agrees with the WP:BLP section "Articles about living people notable only for one event" which says "Wikipedia is not a newspaper. The bare fact that someone has been in the news does not in itself imply that they should be memorialized forever with an encyclopedia entry. Where a person is mentioned by name in a Wikipedia article about a larger subject, but remains of essentially low profile themselves, we should generally avoid having an article on them. If the reliable sources only cover the person in the context of something else, then a separate biography is probably unwarranted. Court cases, crimes, and natural disasters, for examples, should be presented as unified articles that involve all sides, based on reliable secondary sources, and not primary-source material interpreted only by Wikipedians. Marginal biographies on people with no independent notability can give undue weight to the events in the context of the individual, and create redundancy and additional maintenance overhead. In such cases, a redirect is often the best option." This was added there by User:Kusma on May 28, 2007, based on earlier discussions.

These policies can be used to argue for deletion or redirects for articles about someone who was in the news (however widely covered) for some unusual manner of death, for having some rare disease or medical condition, or for committing or being the victim of a crime, for some embarrassing incident, or for being an internet meme because of a photo or video. It still leaves no obvious basis for arguing to delete a story which had multiple substantial coverage in reliable independent sources, but was a "watercooler story" about some freak occurrance such as a cute animal in distress, which tends to be a ratings booster for TV news shows, but of questionable encyclopedic nature. Clearly, if a child got a pumpkin-shaped bucket stuck on his head and was an internet meme and TV show and newspaper article subject, we have a basis for deleting an article about him. We should be equally able, through a policy provision, to delete a similar story about an animal.Edison 18:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank goodness some good has come out of this debate. For a time I felt as if we were discussing this in a vacuum and not achieving anything despite a large support base. Glad to see it's been implemented somewhere at least, and being cited in AfD debates. At least it shows that others agree with the line taken by the guideline when it was first proposed, and in most cases are !voting in favour of excluding one-shot events, while keeping (in some form or other) those with potential significance.  Zun aid  ©  ®  10:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * In recent AFDs such as Articles for deletion/Obama Girl, the argument and shortcut WP:NOT orWikipedia is not a tabloid newspaper has been used by MER-C to lead to What Wikipedia is not and specifically the section about "Not an indiscriminate list of information" and the section 10 about newspaper reports. Edison 17:38, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Interesting deletion and closure of an AFD about an apparently non-notable Rabbi who got arrested for tax fraud and a bio article was created rather than an article about the alleged crime: Articles for deletion/Naftali Tzvi Weisz. WP:NOT was cited to delete a story with 8 sources over a 2 day period. Edison (talk) 14:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Consensus?
Looking at the above results, and more importantly at some of the arguments put forward at AfD discussions, it is clear there is no consensus amongst editors about where (if at all) the threshold lies between "newsworthy" and "encyclopedia worthy". Thus some of the results reflect not the strength of the argument, but the strength of the numbers that pitch up. This is worrying. How do we reach a happy medium?  Zun aid  ©  ®  10:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The results show that in the collective judgement of editors who participate in AFDs, there are some articles based on news stories which appear to satisfy WP:N and WP:A, with multiple independent reliable sources having substantial coverage, which may be newsworthy but are not encyclopedic. Murders are highly newsworthy. Any murder gets coverage in all local news media. If the victim is a child, it is likely to get national news coverage. If a child is kidnapped, and especially if the child is white and from a middle or upper class family, the coverage is likely to be international, such as Articles for deletion/Madeleine McCann. Missing white females are especially likely to get extensive news coverage. If the case leads to a "Megan's law" the creation of "Amber Alerts" or other corrective measures then the case had an enduring effect on society and seems likely to get kept in the AFD process. The new policy WP:NOT has been cited in numerous cases where a newsworthy story was deleted on the grounds that it was not encyclopedic. The article are likely to be reoriented as the "case" or the "murder" or the "kidnapping" or the "suicide" rather than a memorial article about the person, whoc like most of us has typically not led a notable life prior to the crime. Edison 14:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The policy WP:N says "A short burst of present news coverage about a topic does not necessarily constitute objective evidence of long-term notability." This undercuts claims that a subject is notable because there were lots of news stories about it in a short period after the story broke. Edison (talk) 04:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

NOTNEWS vs NOT#NEWS shortcut confusion
As evidenced in Deletion_review/Log/2009_March_4, the WP:NOTNEWS essay and WP:NOT policy are the source of significant confusion. WP:NOTNEWS should definitely be a link to the policy and the essay should be moved to another obviously-not-policy shortcut like WP:NOTNEWSESSAY, perhaps with a disambiguation link so as not to break existing links intended for the essay. Are there any other suggestions for a better shortcut name? WikiScrubber (talk) 19:28, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's worth mentioning it doesn't help that the WP:NOTNEWS essay sets a significantly higher standard than the WP:NOT policy. WikiScrubber (talk) 20:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I would like to second that this is a real issue (and one I've seen and been at fault for well before the linked debate above). While WikiScrubber's suggested name doesn't sound ideal to me, it is better than what we have now IMO.  Hobit (talk) 20:26, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I haven't been able to come up with anything better. You're more than welcome to! WikiScrubber (talk) 20:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not convinced this page needs a shortcut at all. WP:News articles is fine.  Meanwhile, the NOTNEWS shortcut is definitely causing confusion with NOT#NEWS.  I'm just going to be bold and redirect WP:NOTNEWS to the appropriate section of WP:NOT.  I have nothing against essays (or even failed proposals subsequently labeled as essays, which is what this page is), but we want to avoid presenting them in a way that causes them to be confused with "official" guidance.--Father Goose (talk) 22:00, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Did not even consider that option. Thanks. WikiScrubber (talk) 23:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Father Goose: confusions like that should be avoid, especially when it's easy to do so. Xasodfuih (talk) 13:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)