Wikipedia talk:Newspapers.com/Archive 2

Hello. If the people applying for a free account here could help with this property being populated on Wikidata, that would be greatly appreciated! It is an easy way to show your commitment to the Newspapers.com project, I guess, so please don't hesitate to add a few identifiers to the items of newspapers you use the most! Thierry Caro (talk) 14:39, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I an a frequent user of Newspapers.com, but I don't know how to do what you are suggesting. I add "via Newspapers.com" to citations on Wikipedia, but I don't know how to add anything to Wikidata. What steps are needed? Eddie Blick (talk) 00:02, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Pinging so we can get a reply. Leschnei (talk) 00:26, 16 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks,, I should have thought of that. Eddie Blick (talk) 21:12, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Let's say you are looking at The Age on Newspapers.com. You'll be looking at this page, right? Then go to the URL and copy the numerical part of the URL, here 3673. Then you can go to Wikidata here or on whichever page and in the searchbar type 'The Age'. Among the results, find the one item that is the correct one for the newspaper, which is this one. Here comes the actual storing of data. Go down the page and click on one of the 'add statement' buttons. In the left field, type 'Newspapers.com ID' and in the right one, our stored number, 3673. Once published, Wikidata will know that in order to find The Age on Newspapers.com you need that specific number, which will be very helpful in the future. Then you can start again with another newspaper. Eventually, all the titles present in Newspapers.com should be covered. Some of them might be about newspapers not yet covered in Wikidata, which is a bit more complicated and needs one to create a dedicated item here first. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:32, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the very clear explanation. You might want to contact the folks at The Wikipedia Library (if you haven't already!), so they can get the message out in a more generalized way. Leschnei (talk) 14:58, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I will add my thanks, also. Your directions sound clear; I will give them a try. I appreciate your help. Eddie Blick (talk) 15:33, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * What do we do with newspapers that have had different names but share a Wikipedia page and Wikidata entry. Should the IDs for The Minneapolis Star (4473) and The Minneapolis Journal (1660) be included on the Wikidata page for the Star Tribune (4474)? Is it appropriate (or even possible) to add several instances of the same property? Thanks, Leschnei (talk) 16:03, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I would say it's better to have both than nothing at all. Another Wikidata user with more experience might later split the item into two. It'll come handy to him or her to have the IDs already stored. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:18, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, I wasn't sure if it was even possible to add multiple instances. Turns out it is! I've added IDs for all three newspapers to Star Tribune. Leschnei (talk) 00:34, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Limitations
Hello! I was granted access to use this service, however, I wanted to make sure if there are any limitations to using the service once we're given full access to their library of sources. For example, is there a limit to how many newspapers can be clipped? Are their any limitations to sourcing it within Wikipedia? Any additional advice when citing it within articles? Any help would be appreciated! Adog ( Talk ・ Cont ) 04:20, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Limitations are written on the Library Card Terms of Use page under the "Your Use of Publisher Resources" header. There's no limit to the number of citations or clippings you add - in fact we encourage you to use clippings because they make it easier for other editors to verify your research! Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 08:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you, wanted to make sure before I went all in into research! :P Adog  ( Talk ・ Cont ) 12:10, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Best practices for page number
Is it more appropriate to use Newspapers.com page number or the page number of the newspaper itself; in some cases, the newspaper has an alphanumeric page number or no page number at all (on the current page). --Engineerchange (talk) 16:41, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I prefer to use the actual (printed on the newspaper) page number, so that someone could conceivably go look at the original source, away from Newspapers.com, and still find the article cited. Penny Richards (talk) 16:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you expand on this guidance? For instance, this newspaper page says page 2, but is Part IV of the Business portion of the periodical, which is why it is listed as page 64 by Newspapers.com. What would you write as the page parameter for this one? --Engineerchange (talk) 17:40, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, hmm. Good question. Two answers: I'd probably let the 64 stand if I was doing an automatic citation in visual editor, which I often do. But if I was doing a manual citation or using the source editor, I'd maybe type "section IV, page 2", to clarify its location for someone looking at the physical original. Penny Richards (talk) 21:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Signing up for an account?
When I clicked this link, it says that I have to sign up for a account before applying for access. Do they mean that you have to sign up for Newspapers.com, which you have to pay for every month, or do you already have to have a Wikipedia account? Chrisnait (talk &#124; contribs) 17:28, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You just need to create an account at Newspapers.com so that it can be upgraded, you don't need to subscribe. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 11:29, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There seems to be no way to create an account without giving a credit card number to them.  D r e a m Focus  00:49, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? Head to Newspapers.com, click Sign-in in the top right, then Register, then 'Register with Email'. I was able to register a test account without providing any details. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 13:25, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * My mistake. I registered for a free account at https://newspaperarchive.com/ and its working.  I'll register for the other one now.   D r e a m Focus  15:17, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Accessdate in examples
Help:Citation Style 1 says that the accessdate parameteris not required for linked documents that do not change. Since Newspapers.com links are scans of printed pages, which have not changed since they were printed, I believe that the example citations on this page should not include the access date. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:08, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Concur. This would not be any advantage in e.g. finding the cited version in archive.org. Reywas92Talk 02:29, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Newspapers.com does change the visibility of the printed pages from time to time (as newspapers do get pulled by their owners). Having a visible accessdate helps in the event that the clipping itself gets changed or modified by the creator and the correct copy needs to be chosen from the Wayback Machine. It also keeps the citations section looking neat and consistent for readers.  Sounder Bruce  05:25, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with the original comment. With a newspapers.com footnote, the source (emphasized because the meaning of the word is significant here) is the actual printed page the information was originally published on. The service that newspapers.com provides, from the reader's perspective, is secondary; the reader could potentially find the original page any number of ways, newspapers.com is merely one service that gives them access to the source. So, the information about when the Wikipedia editor happened to access this particular resource for finding the source is not important. If the link goes away, it should just be removed (or replaced with an archive link); the rest of the footnote is still enough info. One caveat, though: For a paper with multiple editions, it might be important to have a full citation that includes that information -- e.g., "afternoon edition" etc. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:33, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Good point. Once you post a clipping it is not going to change. True you could delete it, but I agree that the accessdate parameter is not necessary. Coretheapple (talk) 19:18, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Personally, I do add an "accessdate" to the citation templates for the link itself. The date, volume, number and page more than suffices for sure to use it as an off-line citation. But I do archive the page of the clipping on the Wayback Machine. Sometimes clippings are fully visible when small enough, when not, at least we have a view of page or column itself.-- GDuwen  Holler!  21:29, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I would agree - the accessdate is helpful to give an indication of the age of the clipping link itself. Especially if Newspapers.com changes the functionality in the future. -- Netoholic @ 18:38, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Please feel free to update the example citation as consensus develops here. They're not prescriptive from us and should reflect community norms :) Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 10:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Help requested to replace direct page image links with clippings
This search indicates that there are quite a few instances where the newspaper page image is being linked, rather than a clipping. Since clippings are accessible by anyone (even without an account), they should be used to replace direct page links. Any volunteer help would be appreciated - simply use your Newspapers.com account to visit the linked page, create a clipping of the article itself, and replace the link(s) in references with a link to the clip. Thanks much! -- Netoholic @ 18:45, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

You need a Publisher Extra Subscription to view this page
I got approval for The Wikipedia Library Card Platform for newspapers.com but every time I click on an article to read it it says You need a Publisher Extra Subscription to view this page. is what I'm searching for now.  D r e a m Focus  14:06, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Just got approval. Even if its listed in my library, Individual access, it isn't instantly working, there apparently sometimes a delay.  Working fine now though.   D r e a m Focus  12:21, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm also receiving occasional You need a Publisher Extra Subscription to view this page notices when attempting to view newspapers, such as with the St. Petersburg Times and the Miami Herald. Wikipedia:Newspapers.com says that "Free accounts through the Wikipedia Library now do include access to Newspapers.com Publisher Extra content." How can I gain access to this content through my account? — Matthew  - (talk) 03:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Full access to Publisher Extra is granted in 1-year increments, which explains why you've lost access (you've reverted to a Basic account). If you want to renew, visit "My Library", click "My applications" and click the "Request renewal" button next to your previous application. Once we get that processed, your full access will come back for another year (after which you'll need to renew again, of course). -- Netoholic @ 02:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Renewal
I was just viewing articles and received a message to the effect of "your subscription just expired". I went and requested renewal and that is pending. But it also shows there that I last renewed May 26, 2021 - just over three months ago! Is there some other reason a subscription can be terminated? I hope I get access back promptly. MB 02:03, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear this - it looks like Netaholic has sent off a request for renewal based on your request. I hope this solves the problem for you :) Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 13:16, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Taking photographs from Newspapers.com
When would it be appropriate to take photographs from Newspapers.com? Is it appropriate to do a clipping and then upload the image to Wikimedia Commons if it lies outside the 95 years after publication date, per lede of Copyright law of the United States? Or, is there some more complexity here than that? --Engineerchange (talk) 18:14, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Is not complex, if they are in the public domain you can do it. --Yilku1 (talk) 00:28, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe that's sufficient. Just noting that some years ago we did ask Newspapers.com explicitly if they were OK with Wikipedia editors doing this for PD images and they said yes. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 09:21, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Citing articles that appear on separate pages
Sometimes I find that articles begin on page 1 and are continued on, say, page 18. In citing a book it's easy. In citing Newspapers.com it involves two URLs to two separate clippings. I was wondering if there is a style page that covers this? Coretheapple (talk) 15:54, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Umm, ? No need, I think, to duplicate url at pages so I would write 1, 10
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 16:17, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh heavens,, this is embarrassing. it's right there on the page in plain sight! Thanks very much. Coretheapple (talk) 17:50, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Using the Clipping function
If both Newspapers.com and Wikipedia editors would prefer that we use the clipping function then newspapers.com should generate the appropriate citation when the clipping is created. Itsjustjody (talk) 12:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Aha, I figured out the trick to that. If the article is "High School Team Wins Championship" by Chris Mitchell, be sure to name the clip "High School Team Wins Championship/Chris Mitchell" and the url creates a perfect citation (you do still have to add the "via Newspapers.com" but it's a big timesaver). If you name the clip "Mitchell 1991" or some other shorthand, you're actually making more work for yourself, and for anyone else who uses the clip. Penny Richards (talk) 14:35, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Inaccurate newspaper names in clippings
Editors are cautioned to double-check whether newspaper names are generated accurately in the "clipping" function. We all love Newspapers.com, but there is a bug that needs to be kept in mind. Another editor recently brought to my attention that this clipping https://www.newspapers.com/clip/85070266/man-indicted-with-lively-in-attacking/ inaccurately gives the name of the newspaper as the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. But apparently that is the name of the successor organization. If you look at the name of the newspaper at the top of the page, you can see that it is the "Pittsburgh Gazette Times," which evidently changed over time to become the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Good to keep in mind to ensure accurate citations. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 13:25, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have seen this as well. Therapyisgood (talk) 01:17, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Legacy version
Is there a way on Newspapers.com to chose whether you want to have the new version or legacy version of viewing pages? For me, it used to be set to the legacy version (which I liked), but now it only shows me the new version of viewing newspapers (which I don't like as much). Is there a setting that could give me the legacy version back? Thanks. (see this for what the legacy version looked like, this for the new version.) BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:15, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Access
My newspapers.com access quit working. It displays a paywall suggesting I upgrade to a "Publisher Extra" subscription to view anything. I think it just means I need to process an annual renewal. I have followed the instructions above to go to My Library and view my applications, but that page shows no applications. What should I do? — Jacona (talk) 12:35, 28 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Jacona We have a temporary issue with Newspapers.com as part of our attempts to move them over to a more seamless mode of access. Hopefully things should return to normal later today - I'll update here when I know more. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 12:57, 28 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Today I'm getting "Oops, we are having trouble loading results" on any request - perhaps a continuation of the problem? Mujinga (talk) 12:04, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I resolved my problem - most likely through the suggestion of Samwalton9 (WMF) to clear my cookies! Mujinga (talk) 16:13, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Help with renewal
Could someone help me out? See Wikipedia_talk:The_Wikipedia_Library. (BTW, as I was starting this thread, I saw a message that read "If your access is expired and you want to renew, visit "My Library", click "My applications" and click the "Request renewal" button next to your previous application." - I went to the applications page, but it only said "no applications right now") BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:29, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe they're moving to a different access model, and you'll be able to use Newspapers.com without an annual renewal--so those buttons and applications aren't necessary anymore. This is a relatively recent change so your timing might just be unlucky. Penny Richards (talk) 03:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Is there any way that, I don't know, an exception or something could be made for me? I kind of liked the old way better and the url issue (above) seems way too complicated for me to be able to fix at the rate that I use newspapers.com. (Plus I don't like that under the new format I'll have to create a new account, it seems, and lose all my clipping history!) BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:10, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I've been able to use my old Newspapers.com account for clippings. If you use the Access collection link from the My Library page, you should be able to search as usual, and then when you want to take a clipping, click the "Sign In" link when prompted, enter your old credentials, and hit "Sign in with Newspapers.com". The new clipping will have an unfriendly URL, but you can use the bookmarklet I posted in the thread above to easily convert it to the regular format and archive the page in one step. Nick Number (talk) 15:37, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I was able to use my account, but still can't fix the url problem as I don't have Chrome. Do you have any idea of how to do that in Firefox? BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:45, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I just tested the bookmarklet in Firefox and it works as expected. The only difference is, to allow pop-ups for www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org and access-newspaperarchive-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org, click the padlock, select "Connection secure", "More information", "Permissions" tab, scroll down to "Open pop-up windows", uncheck "Use Default", and select "Allow". Nick Number (talk) 22:16, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If you don't want to mess with the bookmarklet, you can manually change www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org to newspaperarchive.com in the address bar while viewing the clipping. Nick Number (talk) 21:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I've thought of that, but at the rate that I use it, it would take way too much time. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I make dozens of clippings a day too--but the choices seem to be doing it Wikipedia Library's way (with all the work-arounds people are suggesting), or paying for your subscription so you can keep doing it your way. I don't mind making adjustments to my workflow for the continuing benefit of free access, but everyone weighs these things in their own way. Penny Richards (talk) 22:35, 20 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I am moving my "help with renewal" question here: When I run the URL from bookmarks the correct page appears and then it is replaced with the following error message (Mac O/S Safari): "Invalid URL: bookmarks:// " What am I missing? I followed your steps for creating a book mark. The bookmark has the following URL: javascript:var%20url%20=%20window.location.toString;var%20newurl%20=%20url.replace('www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org',%20'www.newspapers.com');var%20newurl%20=%20newurl.replace('access-newspaperarchive-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org',%20'newspaperarchive.com');window.location%20=%20newurl;
 * But when I run it trys to go to the page but then replaces with an error message. I am trying to use the following clipping: https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/article/petaluma-argus-courier-ethel-adele-denny/128465868/ Greg Henderson (talk) 01:01, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, is you run the following: https://citations.toolforge.org/ it will do the conversion for you. Greg Henderson (talk) 01:05, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, don't know, and I don't have an effective way to troubleshoot. Nick Number (talk) 03:12, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Newspapers.com access model change and new URL
I received this email on July 18, 2023 after several weeks of expired access on Newspapers.com.

I could not find this information anywhere on Wikipedia; posting for posterity:

This URL change has been rather annoying to my workflow. Will look into this bookmarklet but would be interested in others' thoughts on this change and workarounds.

PK-WIKI (talk) 18:09, 20 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I finally stopped trying a year ago. I'd had an account through the Library for years - it was my favorite source. It got renewed, and there were issues with my password. They gave me a new password.  That worked for about a day or so, and then didn't.  And there was just too much jumping through email hoops that were not working for me.  I've been able to, technically, access it through the The Wikipedia Library.  And I did that just now.  However, I am not allowed to create a clipping without signing in with a password.  The whole point for me of having access was to create clippings. So ... meh .... I've finally given up entirely on this source. — Maile  (talk) 20:04, 21 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't really mind it much. It does change my workflow, and it's a couple extra steps; but in exchange for free access with no renewal gaps, and way less hassle for the TWL admins, I'm fine with it. Still my favorite TWL resource. Penny Richards (talk) 16:27, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Site not accessible
For the last 24 hours or so, I've been getting a blank page that says "www.newspapers.com needs to review the security of your connection before proceeding." with a Cloudflare tagline at the bottom. It doesn't do anything, meaning that I can't actually access the site to search. The error occurs across multiple browsers and IP addresses; it doesn't occur when accessing newspapers.com directly, so it appears to be some issue with the new login system. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Seconding this. I've been having the same issue over the past few days. Can also confirm it occurs across different IP addresses and browsers—it doesn't work on Chrome, Firefox, Edge, or Opera. — Matthew  / (talk) 23:47, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * According to this discussion, they're still working on it (see the messages at the bottom).-- GDuwen  Holler!  19:50, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

issue converting clipping to citation
Is anyone else having issues with converting a clipping from newspapers.com into a citation in an article? I used to be able to find the article I want at newspapers.com, make the clipping, and save it. Then, in the Wikipedia article I can start a citation by pasting the saved URL and it automatically would make a citation. When I do that now, I get a message that indicates 'we could not make a citation...'. Any thoughts? Thanks. DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:27, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @DaffodilOcean This is an unfortunate downside of us having moved Newspapers.com to proxy-based access so that applications are no longer needed. The URL in your address bar will look something like https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/clip/120085615/test-clipping/, whereas Citoid is expecting https://www.newspapers.com/clip/120085615/test-clipping/. We hope there could be a fix for this (T277655) but it's not being worked on right now. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 14:12, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Whatever you do, include the   urls in any references (plain text or templated) because readers who do not have wikipedia library access cannot read the clippings at those urls.
 * There used to be a lot more of them but there are currently (as I write this) four articles that use these bad urls. Anyone with access to the library is invited to fix these.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:24, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Trappist the monk Thankfully here on enwiki I believe Citation bot is set up to un-proxy these URLs. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 16:24, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I noticed this when adding a citation from Newspapers.com yesterday. I used a clipping for Marjorie Yates (under 'Personal life'), and didn't realise I shouldn't use the Wiki Library link. Perhaps someone can fix it for me - and I hope that the problem is resolved so that I can get automatic citations as before. I had to enter the data in the fields manually instead. TrottieTrue (talk) 14:59, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I noticed this when adding a citation from Newspapers.com yesterday. I used a clipping for Marjorie Yates (under 'Personal life'), and didn't realise I shouldn't use the Wiki Library link. Perhaps someone can fix it for me - and I hope that the problem is resolved so that I can get automatic citations as before. I had to enter the data in the fields manually instead. TrottieTrue (talk) 14:59, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

My workaround for this has been to create a bookmark toolbar button in Chrome to
 * Move the current tab to a publicly accessible version of the URL, e.g. changing https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/foo to https://www.newspapers.com/foo
 * Open a new tab to archive the page with archive.today
 * Open a second new tab to archive the page with archive.org

To do this,
 * 1) Browse to https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org
 * 2) Click the padlock icon in the address bar and select Site settings.
 * 3) Change the "Pop-ups and redirects" permission to Allow.
 * 4) If you use NewspaperArchive, repeat the steps above with https://access-newspaperarchive-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org
 * 5) Create a new bookmark in the Bookmarks bar folder, with the following in the URL field:

The button can also be used to archive pages on other sites, without affecting the URL.

I don't write much JavaScript, and there are doubtless more elegant ways to code this, but it does work and I've found it quite useful. Nick Number (talk) 18:19, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Ah, OK. Thanks for details and tips. I will see about what workarounds I can figure out while this is being worked on. I updated the URLs for the ones I put in with the incorrect links. Thanks everyone. DaffodilOcean (talk) 20:10, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this life saver! It should be definitively added to the "Project page" tab. I was already getting frustrated thinking that I wouldn't be able to use the clippings for citations!-- GD</b><b style="color:#273BE2">uwen</b> <b style="background:#318CE7; padding:2px; color:cyan"> Holler! </b> 18:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Great, I'm glad it was helpful. Nick Number (talk) 21:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but when I run the URL from bookmarks the correct page appears and then it is replaced with the following error message (Mac O/S Safari): "Invalid URL: bookmarks:// " What am I missing? Greg Henderson (talk) 23:53, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * - can you post the URL you're trying to use here? I haven't tried the bookmarked-URL workaround but if you post the clipping/cite that isn't working maybe someone can tease out what the issue is... Shearonink (talk) 00:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I don't have a MacOS machine to test on. My first thought would be to remove the Wayback and archive.today bits and see if it works any better.
 * Nick Number (talk) 00:30, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * ... first, I do not think we are supposed to be using archive.today here; I need to confirm that and I'll try to shortly. Second, what you are doing is making a bypass around the access that Newspapers.com has provided to Wikiepedians and that has the distinct possibility of leading to their terminating their relationship if it is both successful and widespread -- in my opinion. Clever, certainly, but I don't think it's a good idea.  Regards --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 00:45, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * archive.is / archive.today OK, I found the latest RFC on the use of this archiving site was in 2016 and was in favor of removing the blacklist that was in place at that time (I've avoided using archive.is since the blacklist was in place .. years pass quickly when you've got a lot of them :-) ). Here was the RFC outcome for reference: "There is a consensus to remove archive.is from the spam blacklist. Most support votes point out both the fact that this is a useful site for referencing, it is often the only source, and it can always be re-blacklisted if future issues occur, and spamming can be dealt with. While the opposes mention issues with the service and the original issues resulting it being blacklisted, but on weight of arguments and numbers of votes, there appears to be a consensus that we should at least try un-blacklisting archive.is, and seeing what happens." --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 00:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * archive.is / archive.today OK, I found the latest RFC on the use of this archiving site was in 2016 and was in favor of removing the blacklist that was in place at that time (I've avoided using archive.is since the blacklist was in place .. years pass quickly when you've got a lot of them :-) ). Here was the RFC outcome for reference: "There is a consensus to remove archive.is from the spam blacklist. Most support votes point out both the fact that this is a useful site for referencing, it is often the only source, and it can always be re-blacklisted if future issues occur, and spamming can be dealt with. While the opposes mention issues with the service and the original issues resulting it being blacklisted, but on weight of arguments and numbers of votes, there appears to be a consensus that we should at least try un-blacklisting archive.is, and seeing what happens." --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 00:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)


 * using wikipedia library-enabled links: I HAVE been using these due to the absence of the clipping function. I thought that perhaps Newspapers.com would take into account the origin site (i.e. Wikipedia) and render the page for users, but if that it not the case, I still believe that using the WLibrary-enabled links is better than using no link at all.  This DOES provide access to those people who sign up for Wikipedia libary, and it's no different from the (thousands?) of links to paywalled journal articles and newspaper articles already in use.  Better to use this link and work forward with a future solution than to use no link at all -- to repeat myself. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 00:42, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Clippings worked just fine with the previous authentication method. Do you have a link to any sort of announcement that the change in URL format is something other than an unintended side-effect of the new method? In the absence of that, I'm going to continue to use links that work for everyone. Nick Number (talk) 02:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree it's a tragedy that clippings no longer work (yet). We agree to disagree on the way forward.  Thanks. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:18, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

My opinion is that links that require Wikipedia Library access should be rewritten so that anyone can follow the link. The easiest way to do this is to replace "www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org" with "www.newspapers.com". For example: becomes I also found that rewriting the url to seems to work. For how long this will work, who knows? I'm seeing edits from March 2023 that have www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org so I don't think Citation bot is fixing these. (T277655) has had no activity since October 2022. It seems like there are ovover 100 articles (hard to count) that have www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org. Using External link search finds 1350 uses, mostly deletion discussion and talk pages. Cxbrx (talk) 12:35, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/clip/121709176/the-courier-journal/
 * https://www.newspapers.com/clip/121709176/the-courier-journal/
 * https://www.newspapers.com/article/121709176


 * However, if a url uses "image", then the article will need to be clipped if a non-logged in user is to be able to see the article. For example https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/image/903920490/ will not work for a non-logged in user nor a logged in user who does not meet the Wikipedia Library requirements.  I was able to clip the newspaper article using my newspapers.com account and replace that url with https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-herald-news-lets-see-if-it-works/128715745/.
 * Awhile back, I had problems logging in to my newspapers.com account. For me, the solution was to toss my browser cookies.  See T332685 and T322916.
 * One issue with clipping at newspapers.com is that there is the risk of accidentally outing onself - that is, connecting a Wikipedia login with a newspapers.com login that could be an email address. Cxbrx (talk) 13:06, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I have been running through with WP:JWB to fix these when they occur. It is a pretty simple run to set up:
 * Search:  in mainspace
 * Find:
 * Replace:
 * It is not so hard to go through and unbust these every once in a while. However, I must take this opportunity to shill PressPass, a userscript I wrote that lets Firefox and Chrome users (probably others as well, but who knows) search and cite newspapers.com links more effectively (it gives you little boxes that auto-format a clipping in cite news templates with the paper name, city, date, etc filled out). I recently wrote a patch that auto-fixes these goofy URLs too, so whenever I use it, my cites are gucci. I encourage everyone to give it a shot :) <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>×<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>🗯️</b> 02:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Creating clippings?
Under the new Newspapers.com/Wikipedia access model, I'm unable to create clippings anymore. I can search for terms and access newspapers, as was the case under the previous access model, but if I try to create a clipping for a citation, I get a pop-up that tells me to "Register with Newspapers.com™ to create a clipping". Maile66 outlined a similar experience above. The explanation provided by The Wikipedia Library Team (posted above by PK-WIKI) states that "You should still be able to create/log into a Newspapers.com account using the links above for the purposes of managing clippings", but this doesn't seem to be the case. Can this be resolved? — Matthew  / (talk) 22:27, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * , thanks for pinging me.  Yes, under the old method, Newspapers.com was a wonderful source where you could easily create clippings.  I also tried it their way, as mentioned above, with no success, with the same non-result as you got.  I haven't bothered to renew my subscription to them, if that's even required anymore.  I miss it.— Maile  (talk) 22:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * What happens if you go to https://www.newspapers.com/, click the user icon in the upper right, hit Register, Register With Email, and then enter your email and a password? Once you have an account, you should be able to use it to manage the clippings you create through the Library access. Nick Number (talk) 00:51, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I think I may have been having some trouble since I would always log into my Newspapers.com account through Facebook. I went to follow your instructions and was told that my email was already registered with Newspapers.com, so I ended up resetting my password and logging in through my email (rather than through my Facebook). After refreshing, it seems I'm able to create clippings again!, did you perhaps used to sign in through the Facebook/Ancestry options? — Matthew  / (talk) 02:58, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't have a Facebook account (maybe the only one on the planet not on Facebook). My original access was for years directly through https://www.newspapers.com.  And later, I could also access through the Library Card Platform.  What happened, was confusion. When Ancestry took over, they gave me a new password.  Then someone else tried to be helpful, not knowing about the new password, and gave me yet another new password.  Everybody was trying to help, and it just got worse.  I finally threw in the towel and gave up on Newspapers.com — Maile  (talk) 03:19, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I had an error that was something like this recently. The solution (at least for me, I don't know if this will work for everyone) is a little confusing -- you have to just completely ignore newspapers.com itself for the actual use of citations. What I do is log normally into newspapers.com, then afterwards, go to the TWL link, which is https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org and then click on the proper things to log in through that. Then, from https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org (but NOT from https://www.newspapers.com ) you will be able to make clippings normally. But you have to be logged into Newspapers.com normally still I think. It is kind of bizarre. <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>×<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>🗯️</b> 02:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * in case you aren't watchlisting this. <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>×<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>🗯️</b> 02:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pinging me. For my use and perspective, Newspapers.com prior to its connection to Ancestry was terrific. Hope the above works for others. — Maile (talk) 02:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Question
If I have Library access, would it be free to make an account? QuicoleJR (talk) 13:55, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @QuicoleJR You should be able to register an account without issue, and then simply access the site through the library + log in to that account. Let me know if you have any issues with that. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 14:22, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I finally got around to it and tried to sign up, but when I got to the email and password stage and tried to register I got an error message. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @QuicoleJR Could you share the error message and the URL you were on when receiving it please? Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 12:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @QuicoleJR Newspapers.com suggests: "If you have problems, try clearing your cookies associated with oclc.org or try a different browser.  Also, see Wikipedia_talk:Newspapers.com, T332685 and T322916." I had to clear cookies to be able to log in to my newspapers.com account. Cxbrx (talk) 15:04, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * How do you clear cookies in the Google app? QuicoleJR (talk) 17:22, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The error I got was cut off because I use a mobile device, but from what I could see it seemed to say "ERROR found: Invalid document". QuicoleJR (talk) 17:21, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * QuicoleJR (talk) 18:03, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @QuicoleJR It would be helpful if we could also know what URL you were viewing when receiving the error, could you copy it to here? Thanks. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 10:57, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This is the URL I copied: I used register with email since I don't have a Facebook or Ancestry account. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:15, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah - I can reproduce the issue. I've added it to tracking at T322916. In the meantime, can you try registering outside the library here, and then using those login details when you're in the library to sign in? That should work. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 15:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * That seems to have worked. I will ping you if any issues come up. Thank you! QuicoleJR (talk) 15:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

CloudFlare issue
For those wondering, as of January 27, 2024, an issue is impacting access (T322916). It seems to be on their end.  Tkbrett  (✉) 14:16, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This issue appears to be resolved now. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, it works again! I've been checking all day. Thanks to all who worked towards this fix. Penny Richards (talk) 23:11, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I will add my thanks, also. I appreciate having access to Newspapers.com restored. It is a valuable source. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Lots of links to newspapers.com /image/ that are not readable
I'm not sure what to do about all the. Today it looks like there are 20,696 links like this.

The issue is that the text referred to by these links is not readable by most readers because a non-WP newspapers.com account is required. Specifically, using the WP:LIBRARY for access will not work as the URL is to www.newspapers.com and not to the proxy. For details, see Updating URLs that start with https://www.newspapers.com/image

There was a bit of discussion above in issue converting clipping to citation, but I feel this is somewhat different issue.

I was trying to clean these up by hand, but perhaps the preview facility could be adjusted so that links to https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/image or  https://www.newspapers.com/image would prompt a warning that is similar to the warning that is shown when there is a typo in the access-date etc.? I suppose I could submit a feature request for this feature.

Does anyone have any other ideas? Cxbrx (talk) 21:22, 3 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The only fix I know of for these is to manually create clippings. I do it when I see them, but 20K is going to take a while. Regarding a warning, using paywalled links in references isn't prohibited, but it would good if there were a prompt to add a  parameter, and perhaps a polite suggestion to create a clipping. Nick Number (talk) 04:31, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Couldn't a bot clip the entire page and replace the reference link with that? Ideally we would want the specific article clipped, but it at least gets the source accessible to more readers. It seems like it wouldn't be too hard so long as there's not a limit on number of clippings. We would probably need to consider whether Newspapers.com would be okay with a large number of automated clipping. Hey man im josh (talk) 05:10, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Interesting idea to clip the entire article. I'm not sure if newspapers.com would go for it.  Another issue is that the resolution for full page clippings means that it is sometimes difficult to read the article.  Over at User_talk:WeirdNAnnoyed, User:Bsoyka, author of the User:BsoykaBot proposed eventually modifying the bot to send email to editors who add non-clipped links.  I'm not sure about this as I agree that paywalled links are not prohibited.  I think it might be best to nudge users in real time when they are adding the link.  Some users will not want to be bothered with creating a newspapers.com account and doing the clipping, but others who use newspapers.com regularly perhaps will eventually create an account and start clipping.  This issue is probably not specific to newspapers.com and might affect the WP:LIBRARY proxy for newspaperarchive.com or any other proxy that allows creation of publicly readable links. Cxbrx (talk) 06:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Some of these links may also be added by users who don't have access. Most pages have the OCR text available even without access to the page image itself, so they may be adding the citation based on that. Perhaps the first step would be to have it show as a CS1 message (in edit mode only), with a tracking category to allow others to find and fix these. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 06:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * As mentioned above, I think it might be useful to at least mention to users in some way that this can be somewhat problematic. Just a bot task watching recent changes and sending a friendly reminder to anyone who adds unclipped links (asking them either to clip or at the very least add a url-access param). If they follow along with the instructions and start clipping, that's great. If not, no extra harm done, just more links to clean up. I'd be willing to take a shot at making such a bot, but I'd love to see if there's some consensus here first. As for automatically clipping articles, I'd personally doubt Newspapers.com would be on board with that plan, but maybe could look into it and reach out to them?  Bsoyka  (t &bull; c &bull; g) 15:52, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there appears to be another 9,000+ that need to be clipped here. Perhaps a bot task could replace these /newspaper URLs with /image too? See the section above. Bsoyka  (t &bull; c &bull; g) 15:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ugh. Thanks for finding those.  It would be nice to come up with a search regular expression that would find both the newspage and image urls, though I'm not sure if the search mechanism has support for complex regular expressions.  I guess a tracking category could be useful, though I worry about yet another tracking category causing yet more clutter.  Perhaps any notification mechanism would only work for editors who meet the WP:LIBRARY requirements for access to newspapers.com?  I slightly prefer CS1 messages while editing during preview because the editor would likely have newspapers.com open via the proxy and could do the clip.  A notification from a bot would likely happen after the editor moved on.  I see the CS1 message as a nudge, and the after the fact bot notification as more of a nag. Cxbrx (talk) 17:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I have access to Newspapers.com but via Wiki. I can try help creating the clippings when I have time. 9000 is a lot though. Timur9008 (talk) 17:22, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with the bot idea by Bsoyka and the tracking category, as well. Both a simple nudge to clip Newspapers.com with a link to a good example and the url-access param seem helpful to me. --Engineerchange (talk) 17:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Additionally on the bot clipping the entire article idea provided by I think the readability can be impacted when the page is too large. You can't zoom in and read text at a certain point when the clipping is too large. --Engineerchange (talk) 17:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed that clipping the entire page is probably not what we want. BTW - it looks like the newspage url is more useful than the image url as the newspage url includes OCR.  Compare this newspage with this image page.  In the near term it might be worth having a bot that replaces image with newspage. Cxbrx (talk) 02:08, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I think the image page is more useful, particularly for TWL users. When you visit an image page with no account, you easily get to the newspage URL by clicking the X on the big popup. However, if you visit a newspage URL even with TWL access, you seem to need to manually change the URL to an image URL in order to see the actual page. (TL;DR: image -> newspage ... newspage -> image ) Bsoyka  (t &bull; c &bull; g) 03:15, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, I agree, I retract the above. The image urls are better than the newspage urls.  Cxbrx (talk) 17:43, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I just discovered that using /image with ?clipping_id, e.g. https://www.newspapers.com/image/20360056/?clipping_id=145167881, may allow unauthenticated users to see both a clipping and, by dragging and zooming, the rest of its page in a readable size. I don't know if this works for all papers, or whether it's unintended functionality which will be removed in the future, but it's worked in a private browser tab for all of the clippings I've tried so far. However these links don't appear to archive well, so probably shouldn't be widely used. Nick Number (talk) 14:59, 12 April 2024 (UTC)