Wikipedia talk:Notability (fiction)/proposed-4-20-09

Added merchandising section
For the moment I don't want to add anything on advertising as the level of use for such is fairly unique, such as the above mentioned Mickey Mouse. However, multiple projects do use merchandising as part of their overall show for real-world impact and these elements routinely pass GAN and FAN proposals as indicating a level of real-world impact. Moreso, without them they would in fact likely fail. 陣 内 Jinnai 22:54, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Can you give some examples of these AfDs? I'm somewhat hesitant about this, as it is currently phrased. Phil Sandifer (talk) 13:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Not off hand...wait...Arcueild Brunestud (was closed on a technicality, but the biggest support would be guides, which are merchandising), Characters of Persona 4 (the discussion was actually about merging the article). I know there's some more, but I can't remmber offhand. 陣 内 Jinnai 02:13, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I've got to say, I don't think the current phrasing works then - right now it gives the sense that mentioning the existence of an action figure solves all possible problems with an article. Perhaps "information about merchandising" could be folded into the language on cultural impact? Phil Sandifer (talk) 18:10, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That might be better. We can leave how it's dealt with to the MoS and other style guidelines. 陣 内 Jinnai 20:06, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Any other major issues?
This content policy proposal, brought on by the debate about WP:NOT has been going for some time. With the exception of the merchandising issue, I haven't seen anything else as an issue by those here so perhaps the time for a wider viewing is appropriate? 15:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I would support that. Phil Sandifer (talk) 15:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Something like:

WP:Fiction has been stabilized for some time as a proposed policy after the dispute with WP:NOT and problems with the load-bearing nature attributed to the earlier WP:FICT notability guideline proposal. Further nput on it is appreciated.
 * Beyond WT:NOT and WT:FICT where part of this document relates to, any particular other talk pages you suggest? Any particular wikiprojects (I'm only familiar with WP:Anime and WP:Video games particularly, but I know there are other relevant wikiprojects obviously. 陣 内 Jinnai 20:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Fiction related Afd
I have recently nominated several articles about fictional plot elements for deletion. I am posting notice here because the raise many of the same issues under discussion. These can be found at Articles_for_deletion/Log/2009_July_16 and below. Savidan 21:21, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

General policy page on fiction articles
This is a proposal to consolidate the disparate comments on fiction articles on Wikipedia, currently contained, among other places, at WP:NOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOTSUM, and WP:SUMMARY. The goal is to have a single policy page that lays out an agreed upon position for what fiction articles are, in the hopes that it will allow for some of the many disputes about fiction to be settled.

Currently I think the proposal is near finished, and I want to make sure it gets plenty of eyes on it and comments. Phil Sandifer (talk) 15:28, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:PLOTONLY may also be relevant. --Cybercobra (talk) 03:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)