Wikipedia talk:Notice board for Pakistan-related topics/Archive 2

Proposed barnstars
I have created a couple barnstars for editors of Pakistan-related articles. Proposals for their names are required. Also leave your opinion about both of these stars: Szhaider 00:34, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

As for the names, I dont have any good ones, but here are a few I thought up:
 * Both of them look great. Nice work there bro.


 * The Star of Jinnah - (ex For Justice or Hard Work or Acheivements)
 * The Defender of the Pak - (ex For Neutrality or Upholding Law & Order)
 * -- Unre4L  ﺍﹸﻧﺮﮮﺍﻝ UT 01:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice. I like them. Please create anymore that you can with any other Pak symbols. Just one thing.Let's try and get rid of the white colour around the barnstars and keep them in the centre of the green. Otherwise they'll look blank. Keep up the good work.--Nadirali نادرالی
 * Ideas for new Pak-Barnstars are welcome. If you let me know about your ideas I might be able to help. Szhaider 06:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think i have to use it.User talk:Yousaf465
 * The barnstars look nice. You may also want to list them at Barnstar and award proposals &mdash; Lost (talk) 03:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * OH what a lovely idea. May Allah bless you. I suggest the name "Pakstar" as it is The Star of Pakistan. User talk:Jabir99

Allama Mashriqi
Please leave your comments about the quality of Allama Mashriqi at its talk page. Szhaider 06:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

DYKs
Normally, DYK isn't really an achievement which projects show off, as most DYKs remain B-Class or Start-class and some contain very few references. DYK is just an occurence where a decent sized article is written within 5 days of creation.  — N o b l e e a g l e  [TALK]  [C] 00:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a very narrow view on WP:DYK. They are also chosen on contents. The purpose for putting them on project page is to create awareness and encourage participation. Otherwise many FA's also end up into B-class-- Isles CapeTalk 14:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Sport in Pakistan
The article Sport in Pakistan is in need of major help! I've been watching it for a while and it is a frequently vandalized article. I just thought I'd post here to bring it to your attention. Thanks - Ozzykhan 19:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Like I said on it's talk page, this article needs some major attention. Zaindy87 11:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Jamia Binoria
The article is currently on VfD. Could someone take a look here? TIA Pavel Vozenilek 11:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Lahore Resolution
Who drafted it? claims it was Muhammad Zafrulla Khan while a little later in the article, it claimed Sikandar Hayat Khan. Both of the info have references beside them, but only one of them can be true. So, who was it? --Ragib 16:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Here is some text from here; http://www.anp.org.pk/factsAreSacredchapter5.htm


 * Among various other proposals one was the Cambridge student Chaudhri Rehmat Ali's, and another of Sir Mohammad Iqbal's. Now let us see what the Englishman's own scheme was.




 * When they [British ed.] couldn't tie up with Sikandar Hayat Khan and the Muslim League Working Committee, they rejected all the proposals offered by the Muslims, and asked one of the Muslim members of the Viceroy's Executive Council, Chaudhri Zafrullah, to draw up a plan for two dominions. That plan was duly forwarded by the Viceroy to London. Later, on March 12, 1940, the Viceroy wrote to the Secretary of State saying that he had asked for certain clarifications of the scheme. He had been told by Sir Zafrullah that he, Zafrullah, would submit the details later but meanwhile it should never be disclosed who had drawn up that plan, though the Viceroy could use it in whatever way he liked. Writes the Viceroy:


 * "I may do what I like it, including sending a copy to you; thirdly, the copies have been passed to Jinnah and I think to Hydari (Sir Akbar Hydari, then Prime Minister of the Nizam of Hyderabad), and, fourthly, while he, Zafrullah, cannot of course admit its authorship, his document has been prepared for adoption by the Muslim League with a view to be given the fullest publicity."


 * The Viceroy explains that although the scheme had been drawn up at his instance, since Zafrullah was Qadiani, the Muslims' knowing that it was his handiwork would make it suspect in their eyes from the very start. Consider the dates. This letter was written on April 12, 1940. The plan had been sent earlier. A copy of it had also gone to Mr. Jinnah, and also to Sir Hydari (for the financing of it). Obviously it was much the same scheme that was adopted as the Pakistan Resolution just at that time, on March 23, 1940.




 * Thus the Viceroy had kept pressing the Muslims for a plan, but when they couldn't come up with any of their own he set to sponsoring one himself.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Yahya01 (talk • contribs)


 * Well, per Banglapedia,, it's Sikandar Hayat Khan. --Ragib 20:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * How is banglapedia more reliable then the people involved at the time i.e. viceroy and official British papers of the time? I have a feeling you are showing your anti-ahmadiyya prejudice by quoting information from sources which are very distant from when the actual event happened. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.243.65.194 (talk) 21:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC).


 * PS: What is the source of info of Banglapedia? Banglapedia is also written by humans and long after the event took place. You are being ridiculous by completely ignoring the documents of the time (1940) in favour of something that was verbally quoted years after the event occurred. Religious prejudice seems to be the only basis of this irrational and unjust behaviour. The way you have quoted Banglapedia and then quickly tried to do rv without discussion shows that you are clearly a dishonest person. I suppose this is what your Sunni religion teaches you…defend your religion’s “honour” at all cost no matter what the facts are. Good for you.. You probably deserve this religion.


 * I have searched Banglapedia http://www.banglapedia.net/HT/L_0011.HTM, there is no reliable reference quoted in favour of their argument. So what is the reliability of this information? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.243.65.194 (talk) 21:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC).


 * , your block should be extended for sockpuppetry. Anyway, please refrain from confusing WP:V with any imaginary things. Bad-faith comments and personal attacks like above are regrettable. Banglapedia is a written encyclopedia, and hence a reliable source. And for the last time, please stop making personal attacks. WP:V is an important rule, and your imaginary boogy-man-search isn't a justification for the above personal attacks. Thanks. --Ragib 21:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * On the "reliability" issue note the Asiatic Society is a widely accepted reliable source and therefore Banglapedia is acceptable. Baka man  22:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * ...and Viceroy of Inida's record is not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik07 (talk • contribs) 21:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Pakistan Military
Is there any project page for Pakistan military articles. I have also created some articles related Pakistan Military —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sulaimandaud (talk • contribs) 04:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
 * None to my knowledge. But there are people editing such articles. You can take the initiative to bring them all together. Also for project banner, you can find info at Template:WP Pakistan on adding relevent variables for each article etc.-- Isles CapeTalk 19:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Durand Line and related issues
Since the Durand Line deals with the demarcating line and international border between Afghanistan and Pakistan, I suggest this topic be also added to WikiProject Pakistan as well.

Some of the latter paragraphs I have seen tend to show more of the Afghanistan viewpoint without sufficient backing whatsoever and revisiting the 1893 agreement, as well as the greyish stature and history of the Khanate of Kalat, which some people put it as something which guaranteed Balochistan independence and making it something separate and special from the Indian Independance Act of 1947 is something a bit too difficult to believe given the status of Jammu & Kashmir and Hyderabad Deccan that were even more prominent princely states and yet they had to choose or were forcibly made to choose which country to join. It doesnt add up seeing the Khanate of Kalat being anything different as NO princely state was allowed independance - as far as I know - so essentially the Khan of Kalat had to choose and he went against the act and hence gave Pakistan legitimate claim of taking action, similar to what India did in Jammu & Kashmir, Junagadh, Hyderabad Deccan and many many other princely states. Why all the finger pointing on Pakistan then ?

I suggest more research in these matters as both issues arent completely black & white, rather with heavy shades of grey prevalant. Peace to all Suprah™ 13:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

National Engineering and Scientific Commission
Hey check out this article National Engineering and Scientific Commission. This article has been changed and see what's in it.§Sulaimandaud 14:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Have reverted the vandalism. You can also revert any attempt of vandalism by undoing the edit.-- Isles CapeTalk 14:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Bilateral relations discussion
I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you.  Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 18:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Education in District Dir Lower
this article was tagged for proposed deletion as original research. The information seems pretty basic (number of schools, literacy rate etc.) but it is unsourced. And notable, so I hope someone can work on it and save it. Scarykitty 07:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC) It will be worked upon.

Good Articles
Please see WP:GA and have a look at the existing artciles before adding any title to the list, as GA is a peer-review process. -- Isles CapeTalk 19:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Junaid Jamshed
There's been copyright problems with this article before; most recently, unreferenced accusations have been added. While I will continue to watch the article, some general additions to its content might also greatly help it. Maybe one of you feels he could add a bit!? Thanks, Ibn Battuta 23:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

South Asian countries as a Featured topic
The South Asian WikiProjects have been tremendously productive, which I congratulate you for, and I just wanted to let you know that we're very close to meeting the criteria for a Featured topic covering the countries of the region. Please see Wikipedia talk:Featured topics. Thanks.--Pharos 03:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Abdul Qayyum Khan
Hello! I have expanded the article Field hockey at the 1948 Summer Olympics. Is it possible, that Abdul Qayyum Khan played in this tournament for Pakistan? I have found a player with exact the same name. Thanks in advance. Doma-w 23:32, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Pakistan quiz doesn'rt exist moved here

 * Pakistan Quiz

Requesting help on Altaf Hussain
The article Altaf Hussain gets hit almost daily with POV edits like this one. Some edits look like they have some good information, but nonetheless look quite POVish and I'm reluctant to simply revert. I think the article would greatly benefit from someone a little more familiar with this subject than me, so I'd appreciate it if others would want to watch over it. Thanks! -SpuriousQ (talk) 12:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Name question
Hello from WP:TENNIS! I've found two articles on the same Pakistani tennis player Aisam-ul-Haq Qureshi and Aisam-Ul-Haq Qureshi. I'd like to merge the two, but I don't know which is the correct capitalization, and a google search was inconclusive. Thanks for your input. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 21:09, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "Aisam-ul-Haq Qureshi" seems more common usage in the media.-- Isles CapeTalk 00:08, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, IslesCape! --Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 03:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

History of aviation in Bangladesh
This article needs you attention. Can anyone take a look and advise, or better still, lend a hand? Aditya Kabir 15:37, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Please, please, please... The beginning of civil aviation section draws from the history of Orient Airways and PIA. I am sure that there are people here who can shed some light on the subject. Thank you. Aditya Kabir 16:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Khanewal
I need some help in filling out the infobox for the Khanewal article. Here is what I have done so far. If you want fill it in then copy and paste into the article, but after removing the one that is there at present.--HumphryTheFunLovingFellowIsHereTodayRightNow 10:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have removed Infobox as it was causing distraction. Also the one in article seems a bit improved.-- Isles CapeTalk 14:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Here is one with lots of potential
Tourism in Pakistan It could be put together like the Tourism in Sydney Article. Article has been added to template and template has been added to article--HumphryTheFunLovingFellowIsHereTodayRightNow 11:38, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Khalid Irfan
As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Khalid Irfan is notable enough to have its own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. If you can spare some time, please add your comments to the article's talk page. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 13:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Ejaz Haider
The article on Ejaz Haider has been nominated for speedy deletion on the grounds that there is no assertion of notability. Anybody have any opinions on whether this article should be kept or not?

--Richard 07:23, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Election article
I've expanded Pakistani general election, 2007 quite a bit. However, being Dutch and not knowing much about Pakistan, I'm not entirely sure it's entirely accurate or neutral. Perhaps people here could take a look. Cheers, JACO  PLANE  • 2007-07-9 19:29

The Pakistani Diaspora
I think it's high time we had an article dedicated to the expat Pakistani population, which not only is huge in number, but have been quite sucessful and a driving force in the economic revival of Pakistan. It's long overdue! We currently have seperate topics on Pakistani Americans & Pakistani Canadians as well as British Pakistanis, but we have no one true article to sum it all up. Anyone interested?

--bk2006 20:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Recognized contents
We should avoid listing a host of articles. Especially if an article was recognised before tagging the project, there is no reason for adding it onto the page.-- Isles CapeTalk 10:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Expert review: Qamar uz Zaman Khan
As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Qamar uz Zaman Khan is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 18:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Free ODNB access
FYI:

New for August: independence for India and Pakistan

http://www.oup.com/oxforddnb/info/freeodnb/magazine/


 * Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 09:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Jam (tribe) and Junejo
Hi there. As part of WikiProject Red Link Recovery I came across the article about Junejo and the broken link was about Jam. I normally don't simply add a missing parenthesis without at least checking if there's a more appropriate link. In researching this, I found Jam (tribe) which from the context could have been what should be linked to. It then occurred to me that if those two articles are essentially about the same topic that they probably should be merged. However, I don't have enough knowledge to make that determination, and as both articles are about Pakistan, I figured I should bring it to the attention of this project. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 08:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Jhudo
There is an article titled Jhudo which is apparently about a place in Pakistan, but the article needs some significant improvement. If anyone is interested, I would encourage them to take a look. --Metropolitan90 06:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Bahria University
I have added template to the page to flag it for reviewing as per criteria stated under WP:NPOV. Anyone interested in the discussion may respond to it on the article's Talk Page.  U z EE   (Talk • Contribs) 00:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Harnai
Hi. I happend on Harnai in my travels, and it looks like it could use some attention, and I know nothing of Pakistani politics, so I'll leave it to the experts. Have a good day. - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 06:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Crescent Group
Kindly note that a Pakistan company, the Cresent Group is being reviewed for deletion. The article is in great need of independent references that would establish the company's notability under the guidelines WP:CORP. You can add content to the article or add your suggestions to the debate. --Gavin Collins 13:18, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Indo-Greek Kingdom
Indo-Greek Kingdom has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 08:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Muzaffar Warsi‎ and Syed Anwaar Gilani‎
A new user,, has created two articles, Muzaffar Warsi‎ and Syed Anwaar Gilani‎. It is possible that the user is Syed Anwaar Gilani‎ himself. This might create certain issues per WP:AUTO and WP:COI. I would like to ask the users of this Notice board, who know a lot more about Pakistan than me, to assess and improve the articles and, if possible and necessary, to guide the new user. A ecis Brievenbus 11:38, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Overseas Pakistani
I made a new article about Overseas Pakistanis. Please correct any mistakes which I may have made. Thanks.

User: Bk2006 12:01 October 8, 2007 (UTC)

WikiPakistan Project on the Emergency
Some folks might know about WikiPakistan, a Wikia devoted to Pakistan. I have created pages there on the current situation.

http://pakistan.wikia.com/wiki/Emergency_2007

We now have an organized page devoted to Detainees (alphabetically, by location, and just raw updates), Events, and new pages related to personal testimonies (whose index needs to be a separate page now, I guess).

There's much to do if anyone can contribute. --iFaqeer 10:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Pakistan articles about unknown subject of Pakistan
Category:Pakistan articles about unknown subject of Pakistan has been nominated for deletion: see Categories for discussion/Log/2007 November 19. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Cinema of Pakistan
I've put the Pakistan wiki-project template on the talk page of Cinema of Pakistan.So make your cinema department from red to blue.Encourage the project contributors to provide citation for this article.It will obviously help the project..--Mike robert (talk) 16:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Kalmati
Kalmati is in serious need of help. It's almost unreadable in it's current state. I was just visiting to disambiguate and don't know much about the subject. I list it here because the article says that Kalmati is a Baloch tribe which is part of this project, although the Kalmati page is not, yet. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 06:34, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Stranded Pakistanis, Biharis or Bihari Muslims?
Yes all three exist, carrying different project-banners for WikiProject Ethnic groups, WikiProject Cold War, WikiProject Pakistan and WikiProject Bangladesh. I have proposed a merger of all three, but what would the title be? As soon we can decide on the title, I can volunteer to do the merging. I am posting to all of the WikiProjects for a solution, but it would be better to have a centralized discussion. Aditya (talk • contribs) 13:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

History Stub
I would like a stub template for Pakistan history so that I can add it to articles that already exist or those which are written in the future. Rzafar (talk) 20:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Just made one, . Of course there are more here. -- Isles Cape</b>Talk 17:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Rzafar (talk) 16:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Uttar Pradesh
Greetings. A new project, WikiProject Uttar Pradesh has been created. If you are interested in contributing, please add you name to the list located here. With regards, AnupamTalk 08:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

UrbanPK.com
I will allow use of information and images from UPK to help enrich the Pakistani article pages with information and media. We have lots of images of some of the most isolated and little known about regions of the country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.160.7 (talk) 04:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * As you never used a user name, I would hardly associate your comments with reality. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 19:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Request for assistance: hare coursing
The article hare coursing includes the following at hare coursing:

Can anyone in this wikiproject find any sources describing the existence, notability or debate on hare coursing in Pakistan? Thank you. MikeHobday (talk) 11:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Done - S M S   Talk 20:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Criticism on the Institute of Business Administration
A blog apparently has surfaced and appears to have valid criticism on how the university is being run. i think it should be reviewed for addition under the section "Institute of Business Administration, Karachi" either as an external link or under a new heading "Criticism"

Critics,IBA 202.125.129.139 (talk) 12:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC) Xerom.
 * Negative. Blogs are not a respectable source of information.  U z E E  05:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with UzEE as this blog it seems is written by a student and projects views that are biased. Some blogs however can be trusted and may be used as references. For instance, take into account All Things Pakistan or Taza Kino where reliable journalism is the key to their success. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 22:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Evolution in the education system of Pakistan
Any sources or information on this would be appreciated. See creation and evolution in public education. Richard001 (talk) 08:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for Correcting Spelling
Several times, the word civilization has been misspelled as civilisation in the article. I'd appreciate it if it would be fixed. Thanks. Wikkidog (talk) 06:46, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This is the correct spelling as per the Wikipedia manual of style. See British spelling.Ragib (talk) 06:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This makes me wonder, should we be using the British spelling or the American spelling. If you ask me I would go for the British spelling as that's what is being taught at schools in Pakistan. I remember we were always told to spell colour and not color. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 18:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, per MoS, we are supposed to use the spelling overwhelmingly used in the region or topic/media. So, articles related to South Asia are written using Brittish spelling. --Ragib (talk) 22:23, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Sassanid Empire
Sassanid Empire has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Blnguyen  ( vote in the photo straw poll ) 05:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * By the time I read this, the article had already stepped onto as a Featured Article. Great going there. Any other article that you think relates to Pakistan and is worth working on to get the status of a featured article, please let us know. Thanks. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 14:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Akhtar Hameed Khan on WP:FAC
The article recently (re)earned WP:GA and has now been put as Featured Article Candidate at Featured article candidates/Akhtar Hameed Khan for opinions and comments. Supporting and Objecting procedures are mentioned here -- Isles <b style="color:blue;">Cape</b>Talk 19:41, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulation on the FA. Great work! Awesome. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 09:56, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Congrats!! --Ragib (talk) 22:23, 9 May 2008 (UTC)