Wikipedia talk:Notice board for Pakistan-related topics/Archive 7

Can someone help with Urdu translation please
I see that the wiikpedians involved here are looking for help with translation from Urdu. Can anyone help? Ottawahitech (talk) 03:43, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Pakistan articles
I thought I should inform about this here. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 20:28, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Cleanup is greatly needed of User:Legoktm/Pakistan/Famous. Poorly written content and POV should be stripped from the articles and reduced to a minimum if necessary and the articles put on watchlist.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  15:45, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Just a question, out of curiosity - why use the search string "famous" as the particular defining criteria of these supposedly poorly-written articles?  Mar4d  ( talk ) 09:34, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll take that comment back. "Famous university", "famous oranges", "famous greenry" etc . - I think I get the point .  Mar4d  ( talk ) 09:36, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

2012 Pakistani American infobox representatives open nomination period
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Asian American. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:41, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Category:Mai Safoora
Category:Mai Safoora, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for renaming or deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you.. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:59, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

IP editor changing spellings and language of main name parameter in infobox
An IP editor is currently changing lots of Pakistan related articles such as | this to move or remove the English name from the title of infoboxes and changing spellings of places in various articles such as this to be different from the article title. Unfortunately, they appear to be using a dynamic address and so are hard to block. They are from this IP range. Can someone try to communicate with them to get them to stop please. noq (talk) 21:11, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Join us at FB
Hello Pakistanis Wikipedians! Assalam-o-Alaikum, I hope you are enjoying editing Wikipedia and helping around. I want to join every Pakistani Wikipedian on facebook so I hope you would like to join us in our community. We would/could help each other and make Pakistani articles more better.

Join us:
 * Group: Pakistani Wikipedians
 * Page: Pakistani Wikipedians

And then sign my guestbook for memories.

Regards: --    Captain Wikipedia!    ( T  -  C  -  G  ) 11:54, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

2012 Asian American representative approval period (Now until 18 December)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Asian American. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:32, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Green Party of Pakistan ?
Someone seems to be perpetuating a hoax with an article Green Party of Pakistan-- a lot of false and fake info is given there, please check and also see talk page for my detailed comments. An athlete's name is also being misused there as purported 'chairman' of this so-called party. I hope that WP Pakistan will wake up and fix this thanks Hamneto (talk) 11:29, 25 November 2012 (UTC)Hamneto
 * I was going to nominate it for speedy deletion for being a hoax, but a cursory search suggests that this article is not a hoax, rather this political party do exists, besides it is also registered with the Election commission of Pakistan. But I can't comment on its notability in terms of the Wikipedia's Notability guideline. -- S M S  Talk 16:00, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Indus logo proposal
On the Iraq wikiproject tag, there is an ancient cultural symbol presumably from the babylonian period. I propose a similar image for the wikiproject Pakistan tag: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/schools/primaryhistory/images/indus_valley/food_and_farming//i_tiger_seal.jpg

if people don't want to replace the Pak flag that's fine. The IVC symbol can be placed below the flag. it would be good for promoting Pakistani cultural heritage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.203.145 (talk) 02:27, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikimedia Pakistan and Urdu Wikipedia
Dear Users,

We are in a progress to promote Wikimedia, Wikipedia Pakistan Project and Urdu Wikipedia in Pakistan. Therefore we need your support kindly join us on Wikimedia Pakistan and Urdu Wikipedia Facebook page on so we can have actual list of active Wikipedians in Pakistan which may help us to organize Wiki Meet Ups in Pakistan aswell and remember most active Wikipedians would be awarded as Admin ship of the facebook pages.-- Faizan Munawar Varyachat contributions 07:27, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Notification of Article for Deletion discussion
The article Mujeeb Zafar Anwar Hameedi has been nominated for deletion. You can share your opinion and policies that support your reasoning at Articles for deletion/Mujeeb Zafar Anwar Hameedi -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  07:05, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Notification of Article for Deletion discussion
The article Tench Bhatta has been nominated for deletion. You can share your thoughts at Articles for deletion/Tench Bhatta Ottawahitech (talk) 00:59, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Caste in biographical articles
Hello! A discussion on inclusion of caste in biographical articles is going on at Village Pump. Your comments are welcome at Village pump (policy). §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 18:38, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Hangu (town)
I copy edited Hangu, Pakistan and removed a ton of irrelevant and/or biassed info, but it still needs some attention from people who know more about the subject than me. Sincerely, Mathijsvs (talk) 14:11, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Dhund Abbasi

 * Their is a great problem with the history of this article. The Dhund Abbasi are descended from ‘Abbas ibn ‘Abd al-Muttalib (R.A), the youngest uncle of Muhammad(S.A.W). Other subtribes of Al Abbasi Family are Kalhora and Daud potas of Sindh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.188.175.193 (talk) 19:27, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

File:InstrumentOfSurrender.jpg
File:InstrumentOfSurrender.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 04:20, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Karachi City Station
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Karachi_City_Station, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks,  Tyrol5   [Talk]  00:40, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Category:Government of Liaquat Ali Khan
Category:Government of Liaquat Ali Khan, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:42, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merger of Snus and Naswār
Contributors to this project may be interested in proposed merge of Snus and Naswar at Talk:Snus/Archives/2013. Cnilep (talk) 03:18, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Shahdadkot
Hello. Would anyone please like to have a look at the little article Shahdadkot? I was drawn to it only by a wording issue ... while there I've done a bit of a tidy-up but I can't do much as I don't really know what I am doing with this subject matter. It would benefit from someone more knowledgeable than me (which is everyone!) having a quick look. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 11:44, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

How to reach pakpattan
Hi Team,

please provide me how to reach Pakpattan in Pakistan for to visit Dargah of Farid Baba.

Anup — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.21.171.81 (talk) 09:42, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Pakistan maps up for deletion
have been nominated for speedy deletion -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 05:14, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * File:PJpol.gif
 * File:PJpol.JPG
 * File:Jhang-map.gif

File:Ross1.jpg
File:Ross1.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 03:29, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Maula Shah
This article is currently in the April 2012 backlog for the Guild of Copy Editors. Since it is also under the care of this project, I would like to draw your attention to it and leverage your cultural expertise to help with the translations. Thank you. Jodayagi (talk) 18:41, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject watchlist broken?
Is it only me? Thanks in advance, XOttawahitech (talk) 19:57, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Pakistan military images
Several Pakistan military images are up for deletion, see Possibly_unfree_files/2013_May_25 -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 02:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Also File:Baktar Shikan Anti-Tank Missile.jpg -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 03:00, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

And File:T-80UD Pakistan Army.jpg -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 04:07, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

As well image:Roshnai-gate(19th).JPG -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 05:25, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Fazl ur Rahman Dr..jpg
File:Fazl ur Rahman Dr..jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 03:56, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Help With AfD Discussion - Fakhrul Islam
There is currently a deletion discussion involving an article about a politician from Pakistan. The article in question is Fakhrul Islam who was recently assassinated. If someone from this project would be kind enough to opine on the subject it would be appreciated. I am trying to avoid WP:CAN, but someone with more knowledge on the subject would benefit both those with !keep and !delete contentions. --FoolMeOnce2Times (talk) 00:37, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

File:PKR 5000 Back.jpg
File:PKR 5000 Back.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 06:28, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Bangladesh: 2013 Shahbag protests
A number of editors have pointed to persistent bias at the article 2013 Shahbag protests. I made some edits in the spirit of WP:Bold to remove the Bangladeshi Awami League party bias from the article and I also self reverted. You can find the copy that has been continually charged with bias in mainspace, while you can see my edit diff here and a discussion I started at Talk:2013_Shahbag_protests. Your comments to improve this article would be appreciated by editors on all sides of the issue. I know this is not about Pakistan, but I'm posting this on several related boards. Respectfully and in the spirit of WP:Bold, Crtew (talk) 21:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Nationalassemblypakistan.jpg
image:Nationalassemblypakistan.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Who is the president of the Senate ?
I have a problem with the article Raja Zafar ul Haq. It's write that he is the chairman of Senate, but according to the official website, it's false, it's always Nayyar Hussain Bukhari the chairman. It' seem logical because Senate is still dominate by PPP, not PML-N. Guillaume70 (talk) 23:30, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You are right Raja Zafar ul Haq is not the Chairman of the Senate, but he is the Leader of the House in the Senate since change of government. -- S M S  Talk 08:14, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Punjab Highway Patrol.jpg
image:Punjab Highway Patrol.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:42, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

L K Advani mentioned in Jinnah assassination attempt.
Hi, I tried to find references online related to this allegation.

I could not find justifiable information to make this statement. If possible could we provide more information on the FIR number and images if any? If not these will be gross allegations made against a person and should be removed/edited.

I only found a couple of articles on some news papers and board chat rooms on the net. Should this information be substantive enough to level such charges in Wikipedia?

Please advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayusman (talk • contribs) 21:10, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

2010 Pakistan floods
Hello. I have a concern about the referencing in "2010 Pakistan floods". Please comment here. Axl ¤  [Talk]  10:40, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Punjab Police Pakistan Logo2.png
image:Punjab Police Pakistan Logo2.png has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:58, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

June 12 2004-billboards of lahore-beauty girl-c.JPG
image:June 12 2004-billboards of lahore-beauty girl-c.JPG has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:08, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Sharp Billboard (Nicolson Road, Lahore)-c.JPG
image:Sharp Billboard (Nicolson Road, Lahore)-c.JPG has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Muntaizir Bhittani
This artist is likely notable, but I can only find this source for significant coverage. Maybe someone here will have better access to sources, possibly from Pakistan. SL93 (talk) 01:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Countries and territories of South Asia
has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:14, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Hilal-e-Jurat Pak Military Award.jpg
image:Hilal-e-Jurat Pak Military Award.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:53, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Benazir in Parliament.jpg
image:Benazir in Parliament.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 03:45, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Countries bordering the Arabian Sea
has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 11:03, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Countries and territories bordering the Indian Ocean
has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 11:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation
has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 01:28, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

SAFTA
has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:25, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Badge of Pakistan Armoured Corps.jpg
image:Badge of Pakistan Armoured Corps.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.249.39 (talk) 10:01, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Discussion on category name for schools existing during British Rule
Would editors here like to bring to bear their fine judgment and considerable experience, in other words, weigh in, at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_September_17? I have already warned editors there I'll be soliciting. :) Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  18:54, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Asif Sandila.jpg
image:Asif Sandila.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.249.39 (talk) 06:13, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Abdul Wali Khan University Mardan
Is this a notable school? If so, it looks as though its editor could use a little help finding reliable sources. Can anyone help? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 22:46, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, its a borderline case for me as far as notability is concerned though there are a number of news sources but I don't find the in-depth coverage of the subject. This is a university that was set up in 2009 but yet to have a campus (building) of its own as it was housed in already built college/s that was renamed and made its constituent. Anyways I will be finding/adding sources to the article and leave the notability issue with AFC regulars. -- S M S  Talk 03:39, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Excellent. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 06:15, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Flag pakistan army chief of staff.gif
image:Flag pakistan army chief of staff.gif has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.249.39 (talk) 04:06, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

ShaukatUllah is reported to be a magician
Shaukatullah governor Peshawar is reported to be a magician. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heil Hitle (talk • contribs) 17:27, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


 * And where is it reported? -- S M S  Talk 18:06, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Gen.Ashfaq Pervez Kayani.jpg
image:Gen.Ashfaq Pervez Kayani.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.181.39 (talk) 05:16, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Malik Noureed Awan
Malik Noureed Awan needs some serious attention. Currencies need to be added. It needs some serious copy-editing. Inline citations need to be added. Items not referenced from the single independent source need backing from reliable sources, with in-line citations of course (this is a biography of a living person).

There is also the issue of factual accuracy pointed out by the URLs on the talk page.

Frankly, I'm not even sure if he's notable but I held off tagging it with notability until I or someone else researches him a bit more.

Please help if you can. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  21:44, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I have tried to clean up the article and have added few sources. I have also removed the unsourced promotional stuff that seems to be part of an image re-building campaign. Though I won't comment more as WP:BLP stops me. But in the current state too I am not sure about the notability of this subject per our WP:BIO guideline, so leaving it for others. -- S M S  Talk 14:54, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * this looks like a promotional article. Requires reference. 17:43, 27 September 2013 (UTC)Spasage (talk) 17:43, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Please keep this article watchlisted. The primary editor has repeatedly inserted non-neutral point of view material about a living person without adequate in-line citations.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  22:08, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It is on my watchlist, but didn't want to edit war there. Anyway thanks for restoring it back to a decent version. -- S M S  Talk 02:12, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Inter-Services Intelligence Logo.jpg
image:Inter-Services Intelligence Logo.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.129.3 (talk) 07:10, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Using Nastaliq fonts by default for Urdu
Hello, everyone... I actually wanted to abolish the use of for rendering Urdu text in Nastaliq. As Lfdder suggested, I wnted to know the opinion of people here if we should incorporate a couple of lines of code to MediaWiki:Common.css so that Urdu text is rendered by default in Nastaliq font just by using or : I hope people do not have any objection to this here... — Шαмıq   ☪   тαʟκ✍ @ 07:12, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Malala Yousafzai Reception in Pakistan
Can anyone knowledgeable weigh in on the discussion Talk:Malala_Yousafzai. Thanks in advance, XOttawahitech (talk) 02:24, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Mass cleanup of village articles
Contributors here might be interested in Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics.♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:23, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking up this issue. I have already been doing this, so at least I have no objection to it. -- S M S   Talk 22:15, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Multan Updates
Hello, Pakistan experts. This article is being considered for deletion because it has no sources to show notability. Any sources would probably not be in English. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 03:51, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Tribes in census
Did the 1998 census records tribal names/population etc and did it ascribe terms such as Muslim Rajput to them? I've just had a look here and cannot spot it but the site is mostly summary data. - Sitush (talk) 08:23, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I also couldn't find any records/statistics related to tribes/castes here. Neither do I think that 1998 census recorded any such thing. This is also noted in this study. -- S M S   Talk 17:04, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * That's helpful, thanks. Would a "district census" in 1998 be different from a national census? That may be where I'm going wrong: I assumed that the district census formed a part of the national one but perhaps it is a completely separate exercise. - Sitush (talk) 22:37, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * As much as I can recollect my memory and join the tid bits available online, district census was part of the national census. Actually the flow of information collection was in this order District → Province → National that finally resulted in statistics at National level. -- S M S   Talk 16:54, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Multan Institue of Cardiology
In this article it says:

Cath. Meetings, Audit Meetings, and GP training programs are on the regular academic calender of the institute. The institute has hosted several national meetings including the annual meetings of Pakistan Society of Cardiovascular and Thoracic Surgeons as well as Pakistan Hypertension League.

Can someone make known what the Cath stands for? There isn't any words around it that could give it a hint as to what it might mean.

Robert (talk) 19:14, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sundas Hoorain
Dear Pakistan experts: The above draft was never submitted at Afc and now it is about to be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable person, and should the article be saved from deletion? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 02:57, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Shilmani Article need to be saved from deletion
Hi everybody, I need your help to help improve my tribe article Shilmani. Please check references, citations and links if they conform to Wikipedia quality standards. Anybody will be highly welcome and appreciated to help and improve my article. I can give you some reliable sources and their links if some one want to include and embed it in my article in the way complied with Wikipedia guideline and rules, regulations.

Shalmani (talk) 18:52, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * This article is not getting deleted, only information that was cited to unreliable sources and for other valid reasons was removed. -- S M S   Talk 21:40, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Noor Pur Baghan
This article had come under heightened scrutiny after being mentioned in The New York Times article "Wikipedia vs. the Small Screen". This is an article about a small village and as you all might know that there is not much information available in news media or books about such small villages which means no sources to cite, is there anyway to keep the article intact without providing sources. You can also participate in the discussion going on at Talk:Noor Pur Baghan.Sajjad Altaf (talk) 18:13, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Replied on talk page.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 14:36, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Kush/Mountain articles
Members of this WikiProject may be interested in a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography. Cnilep (talk) 07:40, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Articles for deletion - Danna,Bagh
Hi WikiProject, I'm notifying you that I have nominated an article for deletion that may fall into your scope. Articles for deletion/Danna,Bagh. Article is here: Danna,Bagh, and there appears to be a similar article on the same subject at Danna (Pakistan), which I have nominated for speedy deletion under A10, duplicate content. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:26, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you Cyphoidbomb. I have added the AfD to WP:DSP. This user has been creating similar kind of articles for quite some time now, I think it is time to advise him. -- S M S   Talk 20:03, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Professor Iqbal Azeem
There is a heated discussion going on about nationality of Professor Iqbal Azeem at Talk: Professor Iqbal Azeem, you might want to join in since there are controversial changes being made and discussed on that page. Thanks Sajjad Altaf (talk) 21:55, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Muhammad Ayub (Athlete)
I've twice removed BLPPRODs from the Muhammad Ayub (Athlete) article, since it says he is dead and BLPPROD is for living people. However, the article is still unsourced and in need of a lot of cleanup. I think he is probably a notable person, since the article says he was an Olympic athlete. However, I also think the claims in the article might be exaggerated. The article Pakistan at the 1956 Summer Olympics says that he competed but failed to qualify for the final in discus, while his article says he earned a bronze medal. . . one of the two must be wrong. Anyway, I was hoping that someone could take a look at the article and if possible clean it up. Calathan (talk) 17:42, 7 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I have tried to do some clean up. This and the source in the article at least suggests that this athlete did exist and is an Olympian, but it definitely needs to be further improved. -- S M S   Talk 18:56, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for cleaning up the article. It looks a lot better now than it did before. Calathan (talk) 15:25, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Request for Map
Hello. I don't know where to post map requests specifically related to Pakistan, so pardon me for posting it here. I need a new map of Hephthalite Empire against the background of modern boundaries and rivers. Here is the current map: File:Hephthalites500.png, whereas the accurate extent of the empire is this: File:Asia 500ad.jpg. I want someone to create the accurate extent of the empire on a wiki map (modern boundaries, rivers, geo-tagged cities etc.). More details later. Thanks. --Fasi100 (talk) 04:17, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Is WikiProject Pakistan sleeping?
Lilpiglet has made significant changes to a lot of long time established Pakistan related articles changing the meanings and concept of most of the stuff which changes outlook of Pakistan significantly, i tried to revert her to the best of my abilities but now it's kind of turning into an edit war and i want to stop reverting her and want a third person someone other than me or her to look at those edits and decide what is right or wrong, here are the few pages where this is currently going on:


 * Lahore: She is adamant to remove the image of Vogue Tower and remove the reference to Lahore being 8th largest city of Islamic world, i also suggested a better looking Urdu text for Lahore which was also removed by her.
 * Dominion of Pakistan: She is adamant to include "God Save the King" and "God Save the Queen" as Dominion of Pakistan's first two anthems and there are no sources to prove that, sources given by her at talk page do not confirm that.
 * List of Pakistan Movement activists: She is adamant to change the term Founding Fathers to Founders and she has also removed a huge chunk of information from the article, in order to revert me, she is also reverting whatever intermediary changes were made to the article, for example removing Raja Ghazanfar Ali Khan from the list of founding fathers.
 * Ayub Khan (President of Pakistan): She is adamant to refer Queen Elizabeth II in a description of a picture as former Queen of Pakistan. First of all it is questionable whether she can be referred such as, even if she can be referred as former Queen of Pakistan still what is the reason to stress upon it, while at the same time she can also be referred as Queen of India, Queen of Burma and queen of som many other dominions. Wouldn't it be better to change the description from "former Queen of Pakistan and Ayub Khan" to "Queen Elizabeth II and Ayub Khan".
 * LGBT rights in Pakistan: She is adamant to quote text from speech of Hina Jillani which has no reference to Pakistan, does not make sense what that speach has to do with LGBT rights in Pakistan.

Someone please take a look at these pages and her other contribs because she is on a mission to change Pakistan related articles in a big way, she is changing the text in a way that sometimes gives a total opposite meaning than what it was before.

And mind you she is taking most of the stuff from her grandfather's diary and putting it on Wikipedia as she claims at Talk: Dominion of Pakistan which is WP:OR. Sajjad Altaf (talk) 16:57, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/About Garam Chashma
Dear Pakistan experts: There is already an article about this topic, but this old draft is more extensive. Is there any information that should be transferred to the existing article before it is deleted as stale? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 23:08, 19 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I am surely going to take a look at it if anyone else doesn't beat me to it, but if you are going to delete it any time soon, please add the content either to the talk page or to the article and revert, so I can take a look at it when I have some more time. -- S M S  Talk 20:50, 25 March 2014 (UTC)


 * It should have a month or so before it disappears. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 20:55, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ashfaq Ishaq
Hello Pakistan experts. This old Afc submission will soon be deleted as a staled draft. Is this a notable topic, and should it be kept and improved instead? Are there references not in English that could be added? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 23:05, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study
Would you be interested in participating in a user study? We are a team at University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within a Wikipedia community. We are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visualization tool. All you need to do is to prepare for your laptop/desktop, web camera, and speaker for video communication with Google Hangout. We will provide you with a Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Finding_a_Collaborator). If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster (talk) 08:25, 3 April 2014 (UTC).

Help with sourcing?
I have a big favor to ask. The article Choorian (1963 film) was up for AfD in November and ran relatively undetected since that point in time. (I just closed it as no consensus.) The issue here is that there's an obvious language and time barrier, since any sources will likely be in Punjabi and not all of them will be located on the Internet. Can anyone here look for sources? I'd really appreciate any help anyone can give! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   03:27, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Website karachiupdates.com
Hi, this seems a responsible website which has some useful content eg at http://www.karachiupdates.com/old/high_schools.html. What is the view of this Project as to whether this is a RS please? The Whispering Wind (talk) 18:37, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Hoaxes or just poorly sourced?
Can someone review some contributions of User:Atifsati. As I noted on his talk, most of them seem to be impossible to verify in English. Perhaps they are missing Arabic script names for subject and references, and could be verified this way, but as they look now many of them look pretty hoax-ish. I am well aware of systemic bias against Arabic topic, so I hope we can verify and save them before any mass deletion proposals start potentially wasting time and antagonizing people. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:33, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * See my comments at Articles for deletion/Qazi Mohammad Obaidullah Alvi. Dougweller (talk) 15:20, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Muhammad Karam Shah al-Azhari
It's a mess. Either a terrible translation of something or just bad writing. "This statement we could might sight presumption on one side that how much exquisite and sensitive was the teacher and compliance of student on the other side as well." I don't even know how to stub it. Dougweller (talk) 15:24, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

What is the "CMS" school of Karachi?
What is the "CMS" school of Karachi? I saw the name on p. 3 of this interview. It's for the article Ghulam Bombaywala. WhisperToMe (talk) 11:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * @WhisperToMe Probably it stands for "Church Mission School". -- S M S  Talk 19:44, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! WhisperToMe (talk) 23:38, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

By the way, do you know what neighborhood in Karachi the Church Mission School is located in? WhisperToMe (talk) 01:38, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014
You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride 2014, a campaign to create and improve LGBT-related content at Wikipedia and its sister projects. The campaign will take place throughout the month of June, culminating with a multinational edit-a-thon on June 21. Meetups are being held in some cities, or you can participate remotely. All constructive edits are welcome in order to contribute to Wikipedia's mission of providing quality, accurate information. Articles within Category:LGBT in Asia may be of particular interest. You can also upload LGBT-related images by participating in Wikimedia Commons' LGBT-related photo challenge. You are encouraged to share the results of your work here. Happy editing! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:17, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Gunna Kalan
Dear editors: Here's an old AfC submission that has been abandoned and will soon be deleted unless someone takes an interest in improving it. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 06:03, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Pakistan At Wikimania 2014
Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to: Project leaflets Adikhajuria (talk) 09:24, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Living people on EN wiki who are dead on other wikis
The following individuals who are in the scope of this project are showing to be alive on the English wiki, but deceased on another language wiki:


 * Firdous Ashiq Awan: †>135

Please help to find reliable sources to confirm if these individuals are alive or dead, or correct any mis-categorization on the relevant foreign-language article(s). Please see WP:LIVINGDEAD for more info and raise any issues on the talkpage. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 08:53, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Where is Johi, Sindh?
Where is Johi? Is it in a certain town or city? WhisperToMe (talk) 07:30, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ali, Amjad. "Pakistani village gives girls pioneering sex education class" (Archive). Reuters. Tuesday February 25, 2014.

Kohala moved
The old Kohala disambiguation has been moved to Kohala (disambiguation) including Kohala, Pakistan. The name now goes direct to Kohala (mountain) in Hawaii. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:12, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Is "Amir Zeb" one word or two?
Hi, I am copyediting Miangul Asfandyar Amir Zeb, which styles his name both as "Amir Zeb" and as "Amirzeb" (and one time "Amir zeb"). The same issue occurs on the pages of his relatives, Miangul Jahan Zeb and Miangul Aurangzeb. Naturally, Googling his name yields examples of both forms. I am hoping that someone here might know which is the preferred version. Many thanks, Tdslk (talk) 18:28, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Economy of Pakistan
Can someone take a look at that page its being vandalized by an Indian pov pusher who seems to be more concerned with Pakistans poverty rate rather than the slum nation he hails from wake up pakistani editors do not let Indian trolls into your pages! 82.132.213.228 (talk) 10:53, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Metropolitan areas
The list of most populous metropolitan areas in Pakistan currently lists districts, not metropolitan areas. It could do with some attention, possibly with a merger to the list of districts of Pakistan. See my comments on the talk page. Huon (talk) 13:36, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Category rename
The category Category:Leaders of All India Muslim League is being considered for renaming to Category:All India Muslim League members. The discussion is ongoing here. An editor expressed concern that regular participants of related topics might not be aware of it and hence this note here. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 04:30, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Languages in censuses and Race and ethnicity in censuses
Pleas add information about this country to this articles--Kaiyr (talk) 13:20, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

en:wikt:Appendix:Indo-Iranian Swadesh lists (extended)
Please add variant word of your languages in this list.--Kaiyr (talk) 08:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

ITN nomination for 2014 Pakistan anti-government protest
Hi, I nominated the article on 2014 Pakistan anti-government protest for ongoing category of ITN on the main page. There is an ongoing discussion here feel free to share your opinion and vote. thanks Legaleagle86 (talk) 14:47, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Announcement (an ad for WikiProject Pakistan)
This is to inform all "Pakistani Wikipedians" that an ad for WikiProject Pakistan has been successfully added in Template:Wikipedia ads. To include the ad box on your userpage or talk page, simply edit your page and add: in the appropriate place. This will produce:

wikipedia ads

Suggestions are welcome here. Syed Jamal Ahsan (talk) 06:13, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I've disabled the above, which is both contrary to our own and international web accessibility guidelines. Please don't use it elsewhere. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:40, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

2014 India – Pakistan floods
The subject article is a nominee for WP:ITNC as it has affected a huge geographical region and many lives too. It will most certainly be promoted and displayed on main page. But the article lacks information related to Pakistan's situation related to floods. Requesting all members of this project to edit the article. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 11:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Input needed: Lyallpur, Lyallpur Town and Lyallpur (disambiguation)
Your assistance is needed!

Lyallpur (disambiguation), which currently redirects to Faisalabad, has been nominated for deletion at Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 September 27. It used to point at Lyallpur when that was a disambiguation page between Faisalabad and Lyallpur Town. Lyallpur Town, apparently a metropolitan area of Faisalabad, was deleted in 2010 in circumstances I don't yet fully understand and Lyallpur redirected to here.

The RfD discussion needs your input on whether Lyallpur Town have an article, and if so what is the primary topic for "Lyallpur" - Faisalabad, Lyallpur Town or the disambiguation page. Please comment at Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 September 27 to keep discussion in one place. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 12:17, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

About Pakistani Poet
Hi guys! Any Pakistani guy who has editing experience of more than 2000 edits or 3 yrs usage of wikipedia should reply here. But it is to be noted that you are well aware of Urdu poetry. Because I will give you a draft article about Pakistani poet and you have to verify it. I will give you chocolate bar in response. Stay blessed Leena Barber (talk) 17:01, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * You can try WP:AFC to get your drafts reviewed. -- lTopGunl (talk) 23:50, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia Readership Survey Pakistan
An online survey is being planned late October 2014 targeting the English Wikipedia readers from Pakistan, in order to understand readers and their relationship with Wikipedia. This survey will give comprehensive analysis of Wikipedia's readers from Pakistan.

The main purpose of this survey is to learn about readers of Wikipedia readers from Pakistan and to understand why they don't contribute. We'll gather baseline demographic data about readers, their opinion about Wikipedia, their editing behaviour and understand device their ecology. Any comments? --Saqib (talk) 18:15, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry for the late comment. Can you post the survey results here when they are available? Secondly, if the survey data is still being collected, it would be a good idea to post the link here so that WP:PAK members can help collect data from those Pakistani wikipedia readers who do not other wise contribute. It might also be a good idea to request at Village pump (technical)‎ to put up a notice for the survey link that goes only to readers from Pakistan on top of pages if they are not logged in to an account. If you are sharing the results on wiki, I guess they'll be willing to do it and all you'll need is a consensus here (which I am sure you can get). A notice on wikipedia will get you way more input from readers than any other method. -- lTopGunl (talk) 10:37, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure, I will publish the results. The survey is launched today and a central notice banner will be shown soon on English and Urdu Wikipedia targeting both loggoed-in as well logged-out users from Pakistan. Here's the link to survey anyways. --Saqib (talk) 11:56, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * That's great! Thanks. -- lTopGunl (talk) 12:08, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Page Move
Please comment on Talk:Drone attacks in Pakistan.  Uhlan  talk  06:50, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

List of Hundreds of Railway Stations??
Someone has made hundreds of pages of railway stations in Pakistan. see the link: https://tools.wmflabs.org/bambots/cwb/bycat/Pakistan.html#New%20articles I am a new member and was looking to cleanup and this is what i found. Who wants to know about each and every station in Pakistan? And that too with one line in each article. Please delete all these pages from Wikipedia... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sohebbasharat (talk • contribs)
 * Something such as a railway station is obviously notable if it is proven that it exists. All cities and towns are notable too. If you don't want to know about every railway station in the country, you should go and browse other topics. Try not to undermine efforts of editors who are doing content creation such as this in a greatly under covered topic. Feel free to expand the articles to more than one line though as per WP:VOLUNTEER. -- lTopGunl (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 13:49, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Ditto. Railway stations are generally notable, see also WP:RAILSTATION.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 16:15, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Constituency related articles in bulk
has created around 500 articles regarding constituencies. It might be better to discuss before creating these articles. -- Fauzan <sup style="margin-left:+0.5ex"> ✆ talk <sub style="margin-left:-4.6ex"> ✉ mail  19:06, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

List of Pakistani wars


I'm only adding this here since it was added to WT:INDIA so as to give the stub list atleast some chance of being neutral in face of the possibility that only WT India was informed for canvassing of shared POV. Lists are supposed to be a reflection of what the actual linked articles say. And an editor who couldn't get consensus at Kargil war main article to change the infobox to his favoured version is now edit warring at this obscure list to unilaterally add it. I'll like to have some neutral eyes on it. Another editor has now blatantly changed two war summaries to 'defeat' while the articles state something completely different and without getting a consensus there in one case while specifically failing to get their preferred consensus there at the other. -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 07:00, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Muhammad Ali Jinnah and Islam
The two-nation theory (Urdu: دو قومی نظری, the ideology that the primary identity of Muslims on the Indian subcontinent is their religion, rather than their language or ethnicity, and therefore Indian Hindus and Muslims are two distinct nationalities, regardless of ethnic or other commonalities.[1][2] The two-nation theory was a founding principle of the Pakistan Movement. The ideology that religion is the determining factor in defining the nationality of Indian Muslims is also a source of inspiration to several Hindu nationalist organizations, with causes as varied as the redefinition of Indian Muslims as non-Indian foreigners in India, the expulsion of all Muslims from India, establishment of a legally Hindu state in India, prohibition of conversions to Islam, and the promotion of conversions or reconversions of Indian Muslims to Hinduism. In my opinion Muhammad Ali Jinnah struggled to take a piece of land where muslims government can rule and its seprated from hindus 17:13, 29 November 2014 (UTC)