Wikipedia talk:Notice board for Pakistan-related topics/Archive 8

History of modern and ancient day Pakistan
An IP is completely revamping History of Pakistan into the two articles of modern day and ancient history of Pakistan. Please keep eyes on the article to keep track of lost content or possible vandalism amid the split or to help in the processes. I have no opinion whether to keep it as it is or split, though the article was overly long and this seems like a good bold move. -- lTopGunl (talk) 16:13, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Since this IP is making cut / copy and paste moves, attribution history also needs to be repaired as per Copying within Wikipedia licensing needs. -- lTopGunl (talk) 17:07, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have not reverted at History of Pakistan as I have not counter checked what all needs to be removed in the split (also because the IP's account is still blocked) but I find the split valid in principle (also that IP's block has expired and his edit is not that of a sock any more), so I find the IP's revert at the new article History of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan valid (except for their block hasn't expired yet). This does not show agreement with what content the IP or the user wants to add to this article.. rather with the IP's intention that an actual article on this topic can and should exist to cover the history of the modern state (it has 60 years of post independence history that can not be covered in the main article and History of Pakistan is getting too long; a valid WP:MOS split I'd say). Additionally the ancient history of the region constituting Pakistan can do much better in a separate article ending at Pakistan movement while the modern article can start from a mild overlap of History of Pakistan. For an example see the counter part History of India and History of the Republic of India. -- lTopGunl (talk) 08:43, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That said, I can also understand that the article History of Pakistan is more probably an equivalent of History of the Republic of India; in which case History of India should be moved to History of Indian subcontinent which is a proper descriptive name and does not confuse while yet retaining the more contextual term "India" in its ancient context. This can also be supported by the fact that (agreeably) primary topic of the term 'India' is the 'Republic of India' (as it redirects there). Now after reading my own comparison I find that the latter may be a better compromise and desirable anyway because once we have decided the primary topic of term India to be the country we should regard it in all cases so I am willing to start an RFC at Talk:History of India. -- lTopGunl (talk) 08:43, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Split should be made, this already 200 kilobyte article is too difficult to navigate. The general criteria for split is 100 KB. Fai  zan  10:41, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I had no problem with the split at all. But when a user has copied(TopGun noticed) from some flawed revision along with the massive and other tags, it is maybe better to just recover the redirect. If we can write something better, we actually can, sure there is no problem in making a History of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Bladesmulti (talk) 10:56, 6 December 2014 (UTC)


 * A split article is probably WP:DUE since the main article History of Pakistan is too long. Most textbooks and publications written on Pakistan's history delve into two periods (pre-independence and post-independence), and it probably makes sense to have separate articles covering the history of the region in both periods. The History of India article is too broad and covers the whole Indian subcontinent, whereas it may be a good idea to have a pre-independence history article focusing more on the ancient history covering the region of Pakistan. Apart from the Indian examples, we also have a precedent with how Bangladesh is covered; see History of Bangladesh and History of Bangladesh after independence.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 23:42, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. Perhaps we should create that article as a WP:PAK collaboration to avoid any socking in the subject area (ie. when more editors have eyes on it, sock or poor edits can be caught quickly). Once an actual article is in place, it will be easier to identify if some one is adding non-sense to the articles like Bladesmulti claims. For the History of India it is for the whole subcontinent and should also be changed to History of Indian Subcontinent. -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 15:52, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * History of Indian Subcontinent should be made into a better article as well, even if disambiguation, but it should highlight Bangladesh, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan. Bladesmulti (talk) 15:57, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Exactly. It should be a parent article and not delve into much details of current regions and should cover main historical information of all the regions and link to these as main articles of current civilizations just like it links to the ancient civilizations. History of Indian subcontinent is supposed to be a proper summary of all (can't be disambiguation per WP:DABCONCEPT. There's only one Indian subcontinent so no confusion; dabs are created when two or more things have same name like mercury for a planet and a metal etc). It will also make sense informing all wikiprojects of above mentioned countries (maybe we can recruit more editors with expertise in those areas). -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 16:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree the point related to history of Pakistan, as also described. I don't think there should be a problem for the History of Islamic Republic of Pakistan between keeping it redirected to History of Pakistan and splitting. The History of India was also moved to History of Indian Subcontinent. It will clarify the events of the history a lot.Justice007 (talk) 19:09, 8 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I've started an RFC at Talk:History of India. Kindly leave your comments there,, , . -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 07:37, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Saeeda Imtiaz
Regarding Saeeda Imtiaz, not only are there questions about notability, but an editor is constantly making odd edits, such as overlinking of common words and wikilinking individual letters of the alphabet. They keep coming back using different IPs and I think a Pakistani might understand this better. -- Brangifer (talk) 05:48, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * , The IP is Indian... seem like fan edits as the cultures and movies often overlap between the regions, although some of the content seems to have puffery or information apparently written in a WP:AUTO way... so I wouldn't rule out WP:COI as well.. can't really be sure which. Getting the editor to create an account might help track and guide them better. Subject seems to be weekly notable (although often such subjects have more Urdu RS coverage). I've drop them welcome-laws notices, maybe they'll read through. -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 18:22, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- Brangifer (talk) 18:46, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

War outcome related article needs expert view
An RFC is here ,the article is about an outcome of a war would request comments from experts in this field Shrikanthv (talk) 11:05, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Union council articles
Those interested can go through Special:Contributions/Wickidick69, who has created a ot of one line articles on union councils; may not conform to WP:N. -- Fauzan <sup style="margin-left:+0.5ex"> ✆ talk <sub style="margin-left:-4.6ex"> ✉ mail  10:58, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Iranians in Pakistan
Sock infest and much IP vandalism may have ruined the article for a while. I went there only for removing the changes that were made by a banned user.(94.210.203.230) Someone should check the prior history of this article and include the material if it is important. Bladesmulti (talk) 12:54, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Shaan (actor)
A move discussion is ongoing; join in to comment there. --George Ho (talk) 09:05, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Is cadet collage jhelum under pak army Or it is a perivate collage and is it a branch of miltiry collage jhelum..Please answer it..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.36.140.168 (talk) 13:37, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * See What Wikipedia is not --  SAMI  talk 22:45, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Urdu ranslation request
Please translate this sentence from English into Urdu:


 * "Please do not contribute text in Urdu to English Wikipedia. Your contributions are more than welcome at the Urdu Wikipedia."

Needed for a user template.– Gilliam (talk) 07:59, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Please use the Urdu text with template to enforce Nastaliq script. --  SAMI  talk 20:16, 14 March 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ Thank you very much for the high-quality translation. The new template may be seen here: Template:Contrib-ur1.– Gilliam (talk) 01:48, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Anokhi Kahaniyan - A Pakistani children's magazine
Hi, i was looking amongst the WikiProject Children's literature]] orphans and came across this stub Anokhi Kahaniyan. ive added it to pakistan project on its talk page. Its had issues for quite a few years now and doing a quick google search i have been unable to find any useable info. just wondering if someone here can help? thanks Coolabahapple (talk) 06:36, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello. There is very little online coverage for Anokhi Kahaniyan as with the case of other children's magazines of Pakistan. I have emended the article; have a look. Is there anything else I can help you with? --  SAMI  talk 20:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks, what you have done is great!Coolabahapple (talk) 00:15, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome!  SAMI  talk 00:22, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Collage in Bengali people
There is an ongoing discussion about list of people in the collage at Bengali people. ~  nafSadh did say 22:14, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Baghal Rajput
This article needs some attention from a knowledgeable editor. Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 09:35, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Lahore Fort
Hi, I would be pleased if someone reviewed my GA nomination of Lahore Fort. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 10:42, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Naya Nazimabad
This article was censored recently in an effort to protect two individuals who have been accused of criminal actions in connection with unsafe conditions at a housing development in Sindh. The editor cited WP:BLPCRIME as a reason for removing most of the article's contents. There are ongoing discussions at WP:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard and here. Thanks if anyone can help sort this out. --Sammy1339 (talk) 17:19, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Danish Hussain article needs bilingual help, please.
The Danish Hussain article needs bilingual help finding references and determining notability. --Kevjonesin (talk) 00:00, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The subject is non-notable per WP:GNG. The article has been proposed for deletion. --  sami  talk 21:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Liaquat Ali Khan assassination
Hello everybody ! I'm working on the French article of Liaquat Ali Khan right now, and I face difficulties to write about the suspect of the murderer of Liaquat Ali Khan. The english article seems very incoherent : the "Soviet Union and United States" section explain that US murder Ali Khan, whithout any doubt, quoting this source. On the contraty, the section "assassination" explain that we don't know... The better source I found is maybe this one, from Pakistan Today. It's about US declassified papers which explicitly say that the murder was organized by US. But there are very few sources, and they are sometimes incoherent. It seems weird to me that such an important revelation remains largely unsourced, and mention just in two or three newspapers. What is your opinion ? Do you have any sources ? Guillaume70 (talk) 15:53, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * PressTV Iran link (quotes Pakistan Today) and another source is Deliberation.  sami  talk 21:38, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

"became predominantly Muslim due to missionary Sufi saints whose dargahs dot the landscape"
User:Vectorgraphics brought up an interesting issue: The above phrase has been added to more than a hundred articles, usually in a Punjabi context, though sometimes referring to Sindh, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa or Kashmir, too. Not a single one instance of use (of those I have checked out so far) comes with a reliable source backing it up. "Dot the landscape" doesn't strike me as particularly encyclopedic language and is uselessly vague anyway. If found instances of that content dating back to 2012, with user who added it at that time by now blocked for copyright violations. That line may also be copy-pasted from elsewhere, but since it was added years ago to a hundred articles and dozens of mirrors have picked up the line, finding an original source for that statement will prove a difficult task. User:Nestwiki has added generic sections containing that phrase to various articles including Dhunni and Khori Alam. I'm rather skeptical about those edits, which also violate Wikipedia's CC-BY-SA 3.0 license since the original author of that paragraph, whoever that may be, is not credited. Some serious cleanup may be required here. Huon (talk) 17:34, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Request for Move
There is a discussion currently at Talk:Stranded Pakistanis in Bangladesh over whether the title of the article should be renamed. Users who are interested in giving their point of view can participate there. Thanks,  Mar4d  ( talk ) 13:19, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * , don't do Canvassing. Anyway, discussion has been locked and page is not moved. But I appreciate your all efforts for that "move". You can still challenge the move at Move review, but before that you have to discuss it again at talk page of the same article. -- Human 3015  Say Hey!! • 17:44, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Gulzar Alam - date of birth?
Date of birth (1954 or 59?) for this singer seem to be disputed or unclear (and a Google search was unsuccessful). It would be great, if someone more knowledgeable could specify the correct version (and provide a RS, if available). Place of birth is also a bit unclear, either Peshawar or more specifically Charsadda. GermanJoe (talk) 19:11, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Hephthalite Empire listed at Requested moves
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Sindhi people listed at Requested moves
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Kashmiri people listed at Requested moves
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Kirana Hills
This page is a bit 'weird' in that it seems to have started out as a page about the Kirana-I nuclear testing site, was moved to Kirana Hills, but is still overwhelmingly about that test site. There is a lot of details that are repeated and not particularly important. I've removed a lot of excess links, and some un-sourced and apparently irrelevant text. Somebody here should have a look. It should probably be moved back to Kirana-I and a separate page about the Kirana Hills themselves split off. The first two paragraphs say. More info at Talk:Kirana Hills 220  of  Borg 10:15, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Al Haaj Siddiq Ismail ( Naat Khuwan )
http://themuslim500.com/profile/ismail-al-hajj-siddiq Siddiq Ismail SB is a notable Icon of Pakistan for his devoted 50 years of services in the field of Hamd & Naat Recitation. He was born on Feb, 10 , 1954 at Karachi. He belongs to Memon Community his parents migrated from India to Pakistan in 1947 after partition. He started his career at age of 6 at local Masjid Badami situated at Old Town Karachi. He suffered polio disease at early age. In 1960, He joined Radio Pakistan " Bachon ki Dunya " was the first program he participated. Since then he was opted regularly for Hamd - Naat Recitation. Almighty Allah has bestowed him mesmerizing Vocal melody that influences to all listeners.

He is among those pioneers, participated in maiden transmission of Pakistan Television Karachi Center in 1969 .He was given responsibility to recite Hamd & Naat at very first Live Transmission.

He has been titled as " King of Recitation " a living legend representing soft and positive image of Pakistan with melodious recitation. He is the prominent figure for all Electronic Mediums of Pakistan in socio-religious transmissions.

He has recited thousands of Hamd & Naat in different languages spoken, written & understood in Pakistan including , Urdu , Arabic , Persian , Punjabi , Hindi , Saraiki , Sindhi , Pashtoo , purbi & other local languages.

His career enriches with full of achievements & awards Internationally & Nationally including 500 Influential Muslims. Government of Pakistan also rendered and recognized his notable & meritorious contribution by conferring NATIONAL AWARD OF PAKISTAN ' SITARA -I-IMTIAZ & PRESIDENTIAL AWARD PRIDE OF PERFORMANCE." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wardah786 (talk • contribs) 19:27, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Kargil War
An RfC is currently underway at Talk:Kargil War to determine what is the correct outcome of the conflict as summarised in the article's infobox. Users who are interested and familiar with the topic are welcome to provide their input there. (Note: The India and military history noticeboards have also been similarly notified by another user).  Mar4d  ( talk ) 10:18, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Siachen glacier
Currently RfC is going on Talk:Siachen Glacier to decide does infobox of geographic article should say that "its disputed between India and Pakistan"? (Both India and Pakistan notice boards are informed by me} -- Human 3015  Call me maybe!! • 19:45, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Copyright Violation Detection - EranBot Project
A new copy-paste detection bot is now in general use on English Wikipedia. Come check it out at the EranBot reporting page. This bot utilizes the Turnitin software (ithenticate), unlike User:CorenSearchBot that relies on a web search API from Yahoo. It checks individual edits rather than just new articles. Please take 15 seconds to visit the EranBot reporting page and check a few of the flagged concerns. Comments welcome regarding potential improvements. These likely copyright violations can be searched by WikiProject categories. Use "control-f" to jump to your area of interest. --Lucas559 (talk) 15:13, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Cities lists
The list of most populous cities in Pakistan could do with some more attention. I had rewritten it based on the 1998 census, the latest reliable information on population for Pakistani cities, but was reverted based on original research and "sources" that either didn't confirm the numbers or were broken, possibly copy-pasted from elsewhere. I don't want to edit-war, but obviously we should not have unsourced speculation as population figures. Huon (talk) 16:31, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * , you would be perfectly justified, if you have sourced content replace by poorly or un-sourced content, in reverting back per WP:Verifiability. I was involved in this sort of crap at Jalpaiguri. Every village in India/Pakistan wants to be a town, every town want to be a city! Definition is important. Sydney (city and suburbs) is millions, but the population of the city itself probably under 100 thousand (guesstimate). 220  of  Borg 05:27, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Chagai-I
There has been odd editing activity and edit warring here. Help appreciated. --220  of  Borg 06:58, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Vote for Goat meat
Article Goat meat has been nominated for Today's articles for improvement/Nominations here, kindly register your opinion there, we should spread awareness about Goat meat, its most tasty and nutritional meat. -- Human 3015  knock knock • 15:06, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

2015 Gujranwala derailment
I've created the 2015 Gujranwala derailment article. Editors in Pakistan may be in a better position to expand the article that I am, especially those with command of non-English languages used in Pakistan. Mjroots (talk) 07:25, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Faisalabad
Hi,

I am looking for fellow members of the Pakistani community (preferably based from Faisalabad) to improve the city article.--Ellanorani (talk) 13:33, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Problem with image
I've just encountered a message on the smallpox vaccine talk page from an unregistered user who states they are a native Urdu speaker saying that the bottle depicted in this image does not depict live smallpox virus as stated in the description, but rather a floral extract. I'd appreciate it if some Urdu speakers could weigh in at the. I have no reason to disbelieve the note, but some extra confirmation and/or alternateive uses for this image would be helpful. Thanks! Graham 87 08:48, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

RfC at Talk:Balochistan, Pakistan
Comments requested at Talk:Balochistan,_Pakistan.

Article is a general overview of the Balochistan region. The dispute seems to be about whether any content about insurgencies, human rights violations, etc. belong in this article.

Arguments against inclusion seem to center on POV, UNDUE and COATRACK. Some have argued that since articles exists at Balochistan conflict and Human rights violations in Balochistan, no summary of these subjects should exist at Balochistan, Pakistan. Instead, links to the relevant articles should be added to the See also section.

Arguments for inclusion center on insurgency and human rights violations being intrinsically tied to the history, government and culture of the region, so including a brief summary of the subjects and links to the main articles is proposed to be reasonable.

Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:25, 26 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, a reminder that comments are still needed at Talk:Balochistan,_Pakistan. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:30, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Gurcharan Singh Bhikhi (Sidki)
Hi there, does anyone know anything about Gurcharan Singh Bhikhi (Sidki)? He's a Punjabi poet from Bhikhi which, according to the article, is in Pakistan. The article is unsourced and has been since 2013. The chief contributors haven't done much to establish his notability and I'm having trouble finding references at Google News or Google Books, so more specialized help would be appreciated. Thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:55, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You might want to ask this question at WT:IN. Looks like he moved to India in 1947 and that's where his productive poetic life is likely to be found. --regentspark (comment) 19:24, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Regents! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:04, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Khoshey language
An article related to Pakistan, Khoshey language, has been created without any references to reliable sources. I have been unable to verify that this language even exists. If you can assist, please see Talk:Khoshey language. Thanks. – Wdchk (talk) 02:24, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Cleanup
A massive amount of work is needed cleaning up settlements on here. We need some sort of workshop in Pakistan and to organize drives. What we need really is an ambassador to Pakistan funded by the foundation who can train people in schools etc to write decent articles and to sponsor cleanup drives. It's only going to get worse as more rural poor come online in the next few years. I've addressed it to countless times but he's unresponsive on the matter.♦  Dr. Blofeld  21:09, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

RfC at Talk:Indo-Pakistani War of 1971
RfC is going on regarding result section in infobox. Kindly give your opinion on talk page here Talk:Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 (reporting on India-Pakistan-Bangladesh related notice boards) -- Human 3015   Send WikiLove   22:03, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Weird question
Weird question, does anyone recognize the language being used here, and if so, can someone help with a translation? One editor thought it might be Saraiki. For some context, I'm pursuing an SPI case, and an IP editor flagged a user as a sock of a long-term abuser. The IP also left these comments, so I'm curious what they are saying to see if it's an accusation or commiseration, or whatever. Thanks, and sorry for the weirdness. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:59, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Gola tribe


The article Gola tribe has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * This article is about a non-notable people group, and the article has very little content.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on |the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Iwilsonp (talk) 21:45, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Plz anyone connect below given pages with one another in interlanguage relation.I do not know the way

ENGLISH VERSION ARTICLE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giloti URDU LANGUAGE VERSION OF Giloti http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/گلوٹی — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imjandarwal (talk • contribs) 02:01, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Help with an AfD
The article Pehchaan (2000 film), which is about a Pakistani film, is currently being nominated for deletion. Some of the participants at the AfD are concerned that they may be missing reliable sources covering the film, so I was wondering if anyone from this WIkiproject would be able to look for sources and offer input on the notability of the article. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 03:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Jagirs of Bedi's the direct descendants of Sri Guru Nanak
Please include a section on the Jagir's of the direct descendants of Sri Guru Nanak. The title of Raja was conferred upon Raja Baba Khem Singh Bedi and his son Baba Raja Sir Gurbaksh Singh Bedi prior to partition. Their areas of dominance included the Villages Of Tehsil Kallar Syedan and Montgomery. The Bedi Mahal was the official residence. Baba is an honorific title that denotes very high respect, indicating the bearer's spiritual descent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunamikapreeti (talk • contribs) 13:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Odd edits
Could someone please take a look here. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:41, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * It's okay. It has been sorted out. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:44, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

New Page Patrol
According to Indian standard time 12 noon to 7 am. Most administrators from USA Canada are asleep. This time is used by Indians to create their auto-biographies. I request experienced users from Pakistan to help us to deal with these Indian college and school kids who create their own pages.--NewMutants (talk) 10:11, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Please take a look at AfD

 * Please take a look at AfD, I do not think the subject is notable per the rules, I only see, there is going just the voting that is not the credibility of the project. If you have time to leave your comments so that we reach a consensus in the proper way. Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 10:36, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

history of archery in pakistan
the information shown about archery of pakistan is incomplete. plz mention history of archery when started who started when this organization got membership of fita. when and how new federation formed. in pakistan how its is made and how pakistan olympic association give membership of arhcery federation. how mr.arif hassan become president.

as per poa constitution federation will get membership in the following step:

1-archer 2-clubs 3-district association 4-provincial association Federation

archer will be member of club and club must be registered with district government sport officer will verify. there should be clubs to form district association in punjab at least 18 clubs will be required to form punjab association.

in fact archery activity should be seen in some where......without any activity how poa is giving membership?????????

Nadeem Bhabha
Hello,

Could you please look at the following draft and help me improve it so it can by approved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nadeem_Bhabha

Thanks

Languages of Khyber Pahktunkhwa (Biased & Incorrect Map)
Languages of Khyber-Puhktunkhwa (Map) Map being used in various articles pertaining to languages of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa is absolutely incorrect and biased. It is showing Tank (district) as Seraiki speaking which is incorrect as majority of people in Tank speak Pashto. It also shows Karak as Hindko speaking while we know that almost 99% of the population of Karak is Pashto speaking Khattak. It is showing battagram as hindko speaking while we all know that most of the people in Battagram speak Pashto and belong to yousafzai tribe of Pakhtuns. Similarly, it is showing Shangla as hindko speaking, which is incorrect as most of the people their also speak Pashto. Finally, it is showing Torghar district as Hindko speaking while we know most of the people their also speak Pashto. I think all this show biasness or incompetence on the part of the person who included that Map. Furthermore, it should also be noted that the map fails to show that most of the people on western side of Mansehra and Haripur speak Pashto, while most on western side of D.I.Khan also speak Pashto. I feel that the Map has grossly exaggerated the number of speakers of other languages and it must be deleted from commons repository. Thanks

Incorrect file links: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_languages_of_Khyber_Pakhtunkhwa.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_languages_of_Khyber_Pakhtun_khwa.jpg

Pakistani cities Transport and Economy section
I added information about Pakistani cities but editors from other countries keep on deleting.. I added Transport and Economy sections to major cities but they keep on deleting and then started bullying and saying that they will block me. I am hopeless.. please you add information on these articles Economy; here are links for economy
 * Gujranwala: Transport; city has good road network, bus stations and bus services, auto rickshaws, Gujranwala railway station, Sialkot International Airport 50 km away
 * Peshawar: a large city in Pakistan needs economy and Transport sections has roads, bus services, railway station and Peshawar International Airport but editors delete all information.
 * Islamabad: I divided transport section into bus rapid transit, auto rickshaw, railway station and airport.. information about railway station was deleted without telling the reason.
 * Transport in Lahore: information about Lahore Metro was deleted without telling the reason — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohsin17 (talk • contribs)


 * , let's please not casually toss around the word "bullying", because it does not apply here. In these 11 edits that you made at Lahore, you only added two references that support some construction happening in the area. The rest of the content you submitted was vast and unsourced. In these edits there's only one reference for all the transport section you added. At Islamabad in these edits, again we see large sections of prose with no references. In one case you used Wikipedia as a reference, which is inappropriate as Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Wikipedia has a policy against original research. Though you seem to have meant well, when you explain in this edit at 's talk page that the content was based on your own personal research, having traveled in the region, that constitutes original research. We're only interested in what reliable sources say about the region, and the content needs to be verifiable. We can't go into a library and check out your brain to double-check that such-and-such a bus line runs through Lahore. Though I can understand your frustration, the bottom line is that the content you add has to be well-referenced, and the removal of this unsourced content is not a personal attack on you, it's just the enforcement of community editing standards. Hope that helps. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:51, 2 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Mohsin17, numerous messages have been left on your talk page indicating that original research is not permitted on Wikipedia, and that sources are required for all significant content changes. I see on your talk page that you have been notified at least 5 times between now and October 2013, so I do not understand why you are continuing to add unsourced and otherwise poorly sourced content to these articles.  Please adhere to our editorial policies and guidelines and I wish you well in you future endeavors.  Regards, [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yamaguchi%E5%85%88%E7%94%9F&action=edit&amp;section=new Yamaguchi先生] 18:01, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

articles need to be expanded.. need help

 * Gujranwala: Transport section needs to be added. Please add references too

city has good road network, bus stations and bus services, auto rickshaws, Gujranwala railway station, Sialkot International Airport 50 km away


 * Peshawar: a large city in Pakistan needs economy and Transport sections


 * Islamabad: transport section needs o be divided into bus rapid transit, auto rickshaw, railway station and airport..

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohsin17 (talk • contribs)
 * DHA City, Karachi needs more references

Review of new edit to Indo-Aryan peoples requested
It would be helpful to have other views on the edit at - see also the talk page for some context. Thanks. Doug Weller (talk) 19:20, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

I will check it. So far it looks reasonable, however it may need updating including the map. Some "new" Indo-Aryan languages were discovered in Iran and may need to be included in the map and texts.--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 06:08, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Jheol/Jhol
I'm wondering if the recently created stub Jhol is in fact the same place as the also stubby Jheol? - 220  of  Borg 10:55, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Madiha Shah
Hi all, Madiha Shah could use some eyes. I did a significant cleanup, but there is a real lack of quality sources out there (many look like they're just copying an older version of Wikipedia). Not sure if anyone's familiar with her, but if you are, here's a new project for ya! :) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:57, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

How to include new created article/Category/Template for review into a Wikiproject Pakistan?
I have created a Template:WikiProject Sindh for WikiProject Sindh, how can I incude it here as, more Wikipedian users present here in this WikiProject Pakistan can utilize this template for Sindh related articles. Can any one do it the same to include mentioned Template into this proje ct New Article section or tell me how can I do it.. thanks--Jogi 007 (talk) 14:02, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Pakistan-related topics participants may be good administrators
This is a big part of Wikipedia. Like elsewhere, editors working in this area use a skill set that helps them with the challenges of POV editing, copyvios, and much, much more. Well, these are considerations when evaluating candidates at Requests for adminship.

So, please consider taking a look at and watchlisting this page:


 * Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll

You could be very helpful in evaluating potential candidates, and maybe even find out if you would be a suitable RfA candidate.

Best wishes,

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Indus River Delta
Is it really 44,200,000km across? Does it really receive 25-50cm of rain per day? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.0.45.71 (talk) 14:26, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like some vandal introduced incorrect data. I have fixed what I could, but didn't track down which editor introduced the errors. YBG (talk) 17:52, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Help on suspicious editing by IPs on Pakistan-related articles
Hello,

This type of edits look very suspicious, especially with the comment "made basic corrections". Also this is a very strange way of making "basic corrections".

I am not knowledgeable enough on the topics at hand to judge, however can someone please have a look at the edits of the following IPs?

I notice that the person(s) behind these IP often sign(s) messages in talk pages by Col (r) Mumtaz Khan and Prof (r) Hilda Khan. Also, this and this are useful tools to check the activity of an entire IP range, even if it of course can have many different Wikipedia users. Place Clichy (talk) 16:46, 29 December 2015 (UTC)


 * The IP range belongs to the national telephone / internet carrier and should be a very busy IP range. The first two edits are obvious vandalism. I guess this is a matter for WP:AIV in case of persistence but it might be a different user in each case. -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 19:55, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * This user has also been vandalizing this page periodically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayub_Ommaya
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrhumba (talk • contribs) 03:37, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Here we go again with similar edits (which I would call vandalism) from:
 * I also noticed that user has (had) a very similar edit pattern, with activity on the same articles and similar edit comments such as "made basic corrections". Can't find why this user is no longer contributing under a username as this account is not blocked. Do you think action of some kind is necessary? I left some notes on IP talk pages about some specific edits I found contentious, with no answer. I think that a semi-protection on the pages most targeted by this user would be a good action, but I came here by chance and I am not at all knowledgeable on the Pakistani context, so I would not be a good person to raise it myself at WP:AIV. Place Clichy (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrhumba (talk • contribs) 03:37, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Here we go again with similar edits (which I would call vandalism) from:
 * I also noticed that user has (had) a very similar edit pattern, with activity on the same articles and similar edit comments such as "made basic corrections". Can't find why this user is no longer contributing under a username as this account is not blocked. Do you think action of some kind is necessary? I left some notes on IP talk pages about some specific edits I found contentious, with no answer. I think that a semi-protection on the pages most targeted by this user would be a good action, but I came here by chance and I am not at all knowledgeable on the Pakistani context, so I would not be a good person to raise it myself at WP:AIV. Place Clichy (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrhumba (talk • contribs) 03:37, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Here we go again with similar edits (which I would call vandalism) from:
 * I also noticed that user has (had) a very similar edit pattern, with activity on the same articles and similar edit comments such as "made basic corrections". Can't find why this user is no longer contributing under a username as this account is not blocked. Do you think action of some kind is necessary? I left some notes on IP talk pages about some specific edits I found contentious, with no answer. I think that a semi-protection on the pages most targeted by this user would be a good action, but I came here by chance and I am not at all knowledgeable on the Pakistani context, so I would not be a good person to raise it myself at WP:AIV. Place Clichy (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I also noticed that user has (had) a very similar edit pattern, with activity on the same articles and similar edit comments such as "made basic corrections". Can't find why this user is no longer contributing under a username as this account is not blocked. Do you think action of some kind is necessary? I left some notes on IP talk pages about some specific edits I found contentious, with no answer. I think that a semi-protection on the pages most targeted by this user would be a good action, but I came here by chance and I am not at all knowledgeable on the Pakistani context, so I would not be a good person to raise it myself at WP:AIV. Place Clichy (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I also noticed that user has (had) a very similar edit pattern, with activity on the same articles and similar edit comments such as "made basic corrections". Can't find why this user is no longer contributing under a username as this account is not blocked. Do you think action of some kind is necessary? I left some notes on IP talk pages about some specific edits I found contentious, with no answer. I think that a semi-protection on the pages most targeted by this user would be a good action, but I came here by chance and I am not at all knowledgeable on the Pakistani context, so I would not be a good person to raise it myself at WP:AIV. Place Clichy (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I also noticed that user has (had) a very similar edit pattern, with activity on the same articles and similar edit comments such as "made basic corrections". Can't find why this user is no longer contributing under a username as this account is not blocked. Do you think action of some kind is necessary? I left some notes on IP talk pages about some specific edits I found contentious, with no answer. I think that a semi-protection on the pages most targeted by this user would be a good action, but I came here by chance and I am not at all knowledgeable on the Pakistani context, so I would not be a good person to raise it myself at WP:AIV. Place Clichy (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * This still active simple english user https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hamneto also has a similar edit pattern, also leaving the same "made basic corrections" Jrhumba (talk) 04:03, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Pak101.com
Hi all, this Reliable Sources Noticeboard query may affect Pakistan-related entertainment articles. The question is whether or not the website Pak101.com constitutes a reliable published source. The site is being used as a reference in 50 articles/drafts/etc as of the running of this report. (That may change significantly, as I have mentioned this site at Wikiproject Spam and at RSN, so stuff might start disappearing.) Thanks for your input, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:41, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It is a private blog style entertainment website, not a credible source in Pakistan. Not sure if it qualifies as a credible blog (which might be a different story). -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 19:58, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It is a blog. The way this article has been written, it is no where near credible source/blog. -- Human 3015   TALK   16:43, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Chund Bridge
Hi all, I had to remove a bad reference from Chund Bridge (pak101.com - see above), but it leaves the article reference-less. I'm having trouble finding references on this bridge and thought that one of you could help find at least one good one. Part of the problem is that I only speak English, so that limits my success. Maybe there's something here? Thanks, sorry for the homework assignment. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Help on suspicious editing by IPs on Pakistan-related articles
Hello,

This type of edits look very suspicious, especially with the comment "made basic corrections". Also this is a very strange way of making "basic corrections".

I am not knowledgeable enough on the topics at hand to judge, however can someone please have a look at the edits of the following IPs?

I notice that the person(s) behind these IP often sign(s) messages in talk pages by Col (r) Mumtaz Khan and Prof (r) Hilda Khan. Also, this and this are useful tools to check the activity of an entire IP range, even if it of course can have many different Wikipedia users. Place Clichy (talk) 16:46, 29 December 2015 (UTC)


 * The IP range belongs to the national telephone / internet carrier and should be a very busy IP range. The first two edits are obvious vandalism. I guess this is a matter for WP:AIV in case of persistence but it might be a different user in each case. -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 19:55, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * This user has also been vandalizing this page periodically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayub_Ommaya
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrhumba (talk • contribs) 03:37, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Here we go again with similar edits (which I would call vandalism) from:
 * I also noticed that user has (had) a very similar edit pattern, with activity on the same articles and similar edit comments such as "made basic corrections". Can't find why this user is no longer contributing under a username as this account is not blocked. Do you think action of some kind is necessary? I left some notes on IP talk pages about some specific edits I found contentious, with no answer. I think that a semi-protection on the pages most targeted by this user would be a good action, but I came here by chance and I am not at all knowledgeable on the Pakistani context, so I would not be a good person to raise it myself at WP:AIV. Place Clichy (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrhumba (talk • contribs) 03:37, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Here we go again with similar edits (which I would call vandalism) from:
 * I also noticed that user has (had) a very similar edit pattern, with activity on the same articles and similar edit comments such as "made basic corrections". Can't find why this user is no longer contributing under a username as this account is not blocked. Do you think action of some kind is necessary? I left some notes on IP talk pages about some specific edits I found contentious, with no answer. I think that a semi-protection on the pages most targeted by this user would be a good action, but I came here by chance and I am not at all knowledgeable on the Pakistani context, so I would not be a good person to raise it myself at WP:AIV. Place Clichy (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrhumba (talk • contribs) 03:37, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Here we go again with similar edits (which I would call vandalism) from:
 * I also noticed that user has (had) a very similar edit pattern, with activity on the same articles and similar edit comments such as "made basic corrections". Can't find why this user is no longer contributing under a username as this account is not blocked. Do you think action of some kind is necessary? I left some notes on IP talk pages about some specific edits I found contentious, with no answer. I think that a semi-protection on the pages most targeted by this user would be a good action, but I came here by chance and I am not at all knowledgeable on the Pakistani context, so I would not be a good person to raise it myself at WP:AIV. Place Clichy (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I also noticed that user has (had) a very similar edit pattern, with activity on the same articles and similar edit comments such as "made basic corrections". Can't find why this user is no longer contributing under a username as this account is not blocked. Do you think action of some kind is necessary? I left some notes on IP talk pages about some specific edits I found contentious, with no answer. I think that a semi-protection on the pages most targeted by this user would be a good action, but I came here by chance and I am not at all knowledgeable on the Pakistani context, so I would not be a good person to raise it myself at WP:AIV. Place Clichy (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I also noticed that user has (had) a very similar edit pattern, with activity on the same articles and similar edit comments such as "made basic corrections". Can't find why this user is no longer contributing under a username as this account is not blocked. Do you think action of some kind is necessary? I left some notes on IP talk pages about some specific edits I found contentious, with no answer. I think that a semi-protection on the pages most targeted by this user would be a good action, but I came here by chance and I am not at all knowledgeable on the Pakistani context, so I would not be a good person to raise it myself at WP:AIV. Place Clichy (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I also noticed that user has (had) a very similar edit pattern, with activity on the same articles and similar edit comments such as "made basic corrections". Can't find why this user is no longer contributing under a username as this account is not blocked. Do you think action of some kind is necessary? I left some notes on IP talk pages about some specific edits I found contentious, with no answer. I think that a semi-protection on the pages most targeted by this user would be a good action, but I came here by chance and I am not at all knowledgeable on the Pakistani context, so I would not be a good person to raise it myself at WP:AIV. Place Clichy (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * This still active simple english user https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hamneto also has a similar edit pattern, also leaving the same "made basic corrections" Jrhumba (talk) 04:03, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

D. J. Sindh Government Science College
Hi guys, Please look at D. J. Sindh Government Science College and suggest what more is need and if not needed please remove the citation banner. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZaeemAkhtr (talk • contribs) 06:50, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan discography
It seems that this musician made so many recordings that a separate discography article is warranted. Is there someone familiar with his music who can add some references so that this can be moved to mainspace?&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 15:59, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Intizar Hussain
Hello, the above article needs a bit of work. It has been nominated to appear in ITN. --Skr15081997 (talk) 12:38, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Dhanot Have a Govt High School Dhanot (Boys) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.255.5.28 (talk) 16:09, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Request for comment: Baloch tribes merge proposal
Hello. There is currently an open discussion regarding the status of the Baloch tribes article, seeking to determine consensus on whether to merge with the existing Baloch people article. Please review and discuss at Talk:Baloch people. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 19:33, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Category:Populated places in Layyah District
The pagees in the category are substubs. Please add references and some text.Xx236 (talk) 14:03, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

RfC: Result of the 1965 Indo-Pakistani War
Please comment at Talk:Indo-Pakistani wars and conflicts. Thanks, Kautilya3 (talk) 19:54, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Daulatana
An unsourced claim that it possibly is. This Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Please correct or remove.Xx236 (talk) 09:10, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Shafqat Emmanuel and Shagfuta Kausar blasphemy case
Shafqat Emmanuel and Shagfuta Kausar blasphemy case - Significant improvement is needed to this article, on a likely notable topic, which is currently written as an essay. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated AusLondonder (talk) 05:25, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

RfC: Addition of sourced content about violence against Biharis and different points of view about figures of people killed and women raped / Removal of unsourced content
Please comment at Talk:1971 Bangladesh genocide.  Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 16:24, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Doubtful notability
I recently came across the article "Amb Jogi," which seems to me to be of doubtful notability. However, if somebody could do a check for non-English sources, I would appreciate it. Also, how useful is an article in the Encyclopedia Sindhiana? I am unfamiliar with it. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:50, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Burewala
Please explain the text to a foreigner. This WIkipedia isn't for local people, it's for the others who don't understand.Xx236 (talk) 07:41, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Kot Hara

 * Town or village?
 * Please prove the famous personalities are notable.Xx236 (talk) 11:45, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Town or village? Both words are used.
 * Unsourced.Xx236 (talk) 07:43, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Auto-assessment of article classes
Following a recent discussion at WP:VPR, there is consensus for an opt-in bot task that automatically assesses the class of articles based on classes listed for other project templates on the same page. In other words, if WikiProject A has evaluated an article to be C-class and WikiProject B hasn't evaluated the article at all, such a bot task would automatically evaluate the article as C-class for WikiProject B.

If you think auto-assessment might benefit this project, consider discussing it with other members here. For more information or to request an auto-assessment run, please visit User:BU RoBOT/autoassess. This is a one-time message to alert projects with over 1,000 unassessed articles to this possibility. ~ RobTalk 01:19, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Faisalabad/GA1
Could someone please help in addressing the comments at this GA review? The nominator,, appears to be away since April 2016. This article is in a pretty good shape but needs some work before it can become a GA, which I believe it deserves to be. Thanks in advance. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 06:06, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

RfC Balochistan conflict
Please comment at RfC at Balochistan conflict—  Trip Wire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ʞlɐʇ 22:18, 4 July 2016 (UTC)