Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 4

Articles on caste
I've noticed that both Bhumihar and Indian caste system have been the target of either blanking vandals or vandals inserting nonsense. I don't know enough about either subject to clean them up (both are tagged), but I have been rv'ing to the non-blanked versions. Perhaps someone who knows the subject could have a look and make some edits, particularly to the first article. Cheers! -- Dave C.talk 07:00, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I personally don't have indepth knowledge, but if this continues let us know, and the page can be protected. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  07:16, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

From the Bhumihar article, I deleted some of statements I knew to be false (Lord Laaloo Prasad Yadav and some of the other "spiritual leaders" and "deities" are actually Indian politicians, statements which were clearly added by a malicious vandal. And I added a disputed tag since I'm not sure as to the accuracy of the rest (comments to shortly go in Talk:Bhumihar

Arun 07:25, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * My comments which I have palced in the talk page of the article Bhumihar ::These three persons donot belong to Bhumihar caste, they are Yadav. Bhumihars were never called Mleccha - calling Bhumihars as Mleccha is not fair. I being originally a native Bihar (before its bifurcation into Bihar and Jharkhand), I have several friends of different social groups, castes, and religions, including several ones belonging to Bhumihar caste, I am presented a brief clarification. Shortly, I will add more contents to the article. And, in an encyclopedic writing, "Sri" (equivalent to Mr. in English) is not required to be put before the name unless that is part of the full name. As such, in redlines in the article, "Sri" should be removed as may be required. --Bhadani 13:42, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Adding an article to a category

 * Please feel free to move this discussion to a more relevant place. This is a discussion initiated at Wikipedia talk:Category

If I were to add Winston Churchill to a category alpvcy, the usual procedure is to edit the page and add at the bottom [] (ignore the extra set of brackets - included to make it visible) - the idea being last name followed by first name. I wanted to know if this is a standard practice. For South Indian names, editors unaware of the local custom assume either caste names such as Reddy or suffixes such as Rao to be last names and add categories accordingly, creating a huge nightmare in terms of categorisation. I request help on two counts - (1) Wikepedia standards, if any, on the naming issues and (2) How to ensure continuity, especially in South Indian names. (apart from having a warning visible in the edit mode, which can be tedious to insert in all articles). --Gurubrahma 06:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Indian Names! whew always a big problem. According to cricinfo, Muslims names are written as "Name-Surname" (Wasim Akram), Kapil Dev is written as it is, but the rest is surname-name. But I'm not the really the expert on SI names. :(  =Nichalp   «Talk»=  18:55, 10 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Tamil people often do not have surnames and they also do not put their caste names prominently nowadays as it is considered indecent to do so. Some politicians who depend on caste-based voting and other bigshots who want to show their caste in public are exceptions to the above rule. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 03:56, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Declaration of Independence
I didn't see an obvious place to put an India-related article request so I'll pop this here! The Salt Satyagraha refers to the Indian National Congress's Jan 30, 1930 Indian Declaration of Independence / Declaration of Independence of India, and this seems to be a noteworthy gap in the otherwise excellent collection of Indian history articles. I know nothing about the Declaration myself, and there seems to be a paucity of information on the 'net, so hopefully someone here can fill me and Wikipedia in. Thanks! Z iggurat 21:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Yup, this is the right place to ask. However this is the first time I've ever heard of such a declaration. A google search wasn't really helpful. Do you have any more information so we could go on/ cross-reference? =Nichalp   «Talk»=  05:05, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The declaration of Independence is more popularly known as Purna Swaraj resolution and was proposed in the 1929 annual conference of Congress Party at Lahore by Jawaharlal Nehru. It declared that India would be free from 26 January, 1930. This was the reason why independent India adopted 26 January, 1950 as the Republic day (i.e. to honour the original proposed date of independence). If an article is to be created, Purna Swaraj would be a more appropriate title. It should also explain how and why the concept is different from Swaraj. --Gurubrahma 05:50, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Sweet, glad someone knows about it! I really don't have anything more to go on than the mention in the Salt Satyagraha article, and was just curious. If/when someone creates an article, it'd be great to add it to the list on Declaration of independence. Cheers, Z iggurat  09:51, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Malnad College of Engineering
Just thought I would let you know, I recently visited MCE and found it an article about Malnad College of Engineering. I moved the article to its full name, and cleaned it up a bit, but it needs more - I thought someone from INWNB might know more about the topic! -- Chuq 10:48, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

New categories
Nichalp created Category:Padma Bhushan awardees and I created the remaining two categories Category:Padma Vibhushan awardees and Category:Padma Shri awardees to complete the set; I have also populated 66, 41 and 102 articles with these categories respectively. Surprisingly, the last category could not be readily linked as most of the articles that would have fallen in the category did not talk of that award and I had to enter the award information as well before categorising. Since most of the notable Indians typically get a Government recognition also, these categories may be useful. They may also be helpful in determining if the subject of the article is notable or not. I have also created another category, Category:Actor-politicians. Right now, its population looks more broad-based and universal but I'm definite that it would get swamped with the Indian personalities not tagged yet in no time. --Gurubrahma 18:52, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Muhammad bin Qasim
The article is very biased and aplogetic. Needs some work. --Dangerous-Boy 22:17, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
 * See also  Kefalonia 17:48, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Islamic conquest of South Asia
The article as become very aplogetic to Islamic invaders of South Asia. --Dangerous-Boy 01:20, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Shortage of staff here to cleanup, I'm afraid. :( =Nichalp   «Talk»=  06:52, 13 November 2005 (UTC)


 * See also Kefalonia 17:48, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Peer review
I've been working on the Malwa article, and would like to request all editors to review the article. Seems like we can easily make it into a featured article. Any suggestions and/or contributions will be highly appreciated. deeptrivia 16:13, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Important article missing
There is no article on Denotified tribes of India. It is a reasonably important subject. deeptrivia 07:03, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes deeptrivia. I would request you to please give some more information on the matters, including possible links - so that if possible a stub may be created. Thanks. --Bhadani 13:00, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The only piece of info that I have is that these DNTs are treated on par with the most-backward classes in reservation by the TamilNadu government. And, I know of one particular caste called Kallar which falls under this category. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 10:28, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I've written some stuff, and put some references. Please have a look. deeptrivia 03:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Another article
 * I've also created a stub for Article 370, the article which grants special status to Jammu and Kashmir. There is a lot that can be added to this article, like all the controversies and politics related to it. deeptrivia 03:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Indian folk music


 * There isn't much on Indian folk music on Music of India either. Category:Folk music by nationality has articles on folk music from different countries. Possibly we can have one for India too. deeptrivia 01:35, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Created using info from Music of India (of which there was a surprising amount). Please cleanup.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|)  12:47, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Great start! deeptrivia 22:11, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Inactive user
It seems the Jishacj has become inactive. Her last edit was on 31 October. Should we remove her name from active users--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 ($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 13:24, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Let's wait till December. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  09:32, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Indian comics
The French wikipedia had a good article on Indian comics, which I translated into English. It will need a lot of copyediting, and any help will be appreciated. deeptrivia (talk) 18:20, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Template:PD-IndiaGov
The Image copyright tag &#123;{PD-IndiaGov}} is based on a wrong interpretation of the Right to Information Act and hence, it is recommended not to use that. Images that are already tagged can be claimed under fair use. Once, it is done, it could be put up for deletion. See also, the relevant discussions at Wikipedia_talk:Copyright_problems and at a related mailing list: http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/commons-law/2005-November/009959.html -- Pamri &bull; Talk 05:35, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah...pity! I was planning to put so many of them on wikipedia. But I guess we can still upload them if every time we mail the webmasters of those websites and ask for permissions, can't we? I remember having done it once for some history related image. deeptrivia (talk) 06:31, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd already asked the Tamil Nadu government site about the images. I guess they don't really know what "Public Domain" means. Remember: they have to allow both commercial use as well as derivative use. They need not release their copyrights though. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  06:38, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Awesome India photos in Public Domain
Claude Renault has some (PS: Well, over 500!) really amazing photos from India, under Creative Commons Licence, available on his Flickr account here. I'll be adding some of them on wikipedia soon. Please take a look and add any photos you find suitable for India articles. I bet you'll find tons of useful stuff! deeptrivia (talk) 05:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * suggestion: Why not add them on Commons instead? That wd prove to be helpful for other projects such as ta (Tamil) and te (Telugu) wikipedias. btw, great discovery man, keep it up. Or probly we shd ask Claude to upload them on commons, as that wd help him in getting due attribution for his great work. --Gurubrahma 06:46, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Great find, deep. And please upload them to commons rather than en. Considering the large no. of images, you should probably create a custom copyright tag for his site on commons. -- Pamri &bull; Talk 08:16, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * There is a template available for images taken from commons: =Nichalp   «Talk»=  11:03, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I meant using a custom copyright tag (like commons:Template:Bild-Picswiss) that states the images from his site & are licensed under CC and are seperately categorised. This is faster than manually typing the attribution, links,etc.,

-- Pamri &bull; Talk 12:15, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry... I meant flickr.. not commons. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  12:36, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, created Template:Clodreno. It would be good, if someone can inform the photographer. Note, it is available only on commons. -- Pamri &bull; Talk 13:21, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, was a typo. Its Template:Claude. To use, type -- Pamri &bull; Talk 13:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I left a message on his blog. Dunno if he's checked it yet. deeptrivia (talk) 05:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm..check this out:http://www.flickr.com/photos/clodreno/49365159/ Its not tagged as CC and thats a very cool image :-(. Also, ask him whether we can upload those images to commons. -- Pamri &bull; Talk 06:46, 1 December 2005 (UTC)


 * He puts the "public image" message only on the main page. So if you want to find the status of any image, you have to find it on the main page. I guess I saw this image on the main page once, and it indeed was public. His blog says that right now he's on a holiday, so he hasn't been accessing the net. I've already asked him about uploading images to commons. deeptrivia (talk) 14:03, 1 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, my mistake. Now I see what you mean. Indeed, this photo is not tagged CC. deeptrivia (talk) 18:49, 1 December 2005 (UTC)


 * However, if you go to page 26 of the album, it still says "This image is public", for the photo Pamri mentioned. Kind of confusing. deeptrivia (talk) 01:34, 2 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I guess public just means 'shared.' By the way, about 250 more India photos, mostly with Creative Commons licence are here. deeptrivia (talk) 15:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Public Domain Images
Just last week I realized that the Image copyright tag &#123;{PD-IndiaGov}} is based on a wrong interpretation of the Right to Information Act and hence they will be deleted, The template of PD-IndiaGov gave such an impression that everything uploaded from the Government website was very much leagal. I had uploaded many of the images from the directories of NIC.IN, I am of the opinion that atleast as per "fair use" we can use them. For example pictures of war

Many of the images uploaded by me are getting deleted. I hope we will find a solution for this.

Opinion of David Newton in a previous discussion with regards to deletion of an image
 * It would appear that if there are Indian images that were published before 1946 then is the tag to use. However, note that even if such copyright has expired in India if it was published after 1923 in the United States and registered then it is still in copyright in the United States and thus cannot be used on Wikipedia (fair use aside). If the images have never been published in the United States then the term to think about is life of the author plus 70 years. So, if an image has been published in India prior to 1946, and never published in the United States, then the author needs to have died before 1936 for the image to be usable on Wikipedia. David Newton 18:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

As per the "fair use" policy the template PD-IndiaGov should not be deleted

--Aravind Parvatikar 06:33, 28 January 2006 (UTC)