Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 58

Wikivoyage India Expedition
Hi, everyone! I'm a frequent reader and occasional editor on Wikipedia and a frequent editor and admin on Wikivoyage, and WikiProject India was just brought to my attention. It just so happens that I started a Wikivoyage India Expedition today in order to improve the quality of our more important and visible articles about Indian regions and destinations. If any of you take a particular interest in travel or have knowledge about parts of India that you'd like to share with travellers, please consider dropping by and helping out with a project related to this WikiProject on a sister site. I'll stop by this talk thread now and then to see if anyone has any questions, or feel free to discuss anything relevant at en:voy:Wikivoyage talk:India Expedition.

I hope to see some of you there.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:01, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Websites blocked in India
Members at Wiki Project India are welcome and requested to help in expending the article Websites blocked in India. Thank you! &mdash;  C ute st Penguin Hangout 14:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you should move it to List of websites blocked in India, if you intend to create a list.-- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 14:29, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. Have a look at Websites blocked in China, Websites blocked in the United Kingdom and Websites blocked in Belgium. &#8212;  C ute st Penguin Hangout 14:39, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Project on Hindi Wiki about Elections in India
Hello.

We're running a project on Hindi Wikipedia on Elections in India HERE. There are very few contributors on hiwiki & the guy who did all the technical jugglery out there has not been active recently, and presently I'm the only active contributor there and I don't possess technical/programming knowledge. I am here to seek your help in aligning the project with similar projects, if any, in English & other Indian language wikis. Earlier, We had collaborated with Punjabi Wiki also & both were benefitted by this. We are collating some data & placing the link at the project page also. So, if anybody needs our data, most welcome and if you have any data already, request you to please share with us so that we can save our effort. Presently at both the places, hi & pa, we have run out of steam a little bit. I hope if this project is linked with all other languages, we can some motivation back & all could benefit. Request help in this regard. Thanks.--Manoj Khurana (talk) 12:11, 13 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I just noticed that Uttarakhand Assembly Constituencies pages are not available on English Wiki. We have complete data & AWB Script placed at hi:विकिपीडिया:विकिपरियोजना_भारतीय_चुनाव. Anybody who is interested in thsi project & having AWB rights on English wiki may take the data & script from the link above & pages can be created without any effort. Thanks.--Manoj Khurana (talk) 06:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Naming
Pages like Visakhapatnam (rural) mandal, Tirupati (urban) mandal etc have (urban) (rural) in brackets, we need to use brackets to distinguish it from normal city. Is it ok to use brackets or should we write normally like Kakinada rural mandal?--Vin09 (talk) 04:46, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The current scheme is like the examples you have shown. Are you asking if we should change the scheme to drop the brackets?  It should be ok in my opinion, but it would be a lot of work to change all the existing page names! Why bother? Kautilya3 (talk) 20:03, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * No, actually I followed brackets only. I was asking whether they are correct. Thanks for your reply.--Vin09 (talk) 07:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Youtube video as reference
At Amarnath Express, the a user created youtube clip is used as a source for some facts related to the train ex. that the train has a pantry car, or so and so type of engine etc. The clip just shows the train crossing a particular station. Can such clips be used as reliable sources? Wont it be equivalent to a user created blog ? -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 01:48, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * , can see this Videos_as_references and this External_links. It may help you.--Vin09 (talk) 04:44, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 08:11, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Rehal
This is in part a "redirect" although looks like copy/paste from Rehal (surname & caste), losing its history, plus a bit of added text. It looks like a lot of it comes from other articles. And what are all these symbols and flags here and at Rehal (disambiguation)? I think they were added by. Dougweller (talk) 13:02, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * And some at least of Rehal (surname and caste) is unattributed copy/paste and thus copyvio from other articles of ours, eg . Dougweller (talk) 13:04, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Quotation help needed
Can anyone tell me if the interview here shows the subject self-identifying as a member of the Velama caste, please? Need to verify for his bio article. - Sitush (talk) 12:20, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Acharya Shri Chandanaji
Dear India experts: This old AfC submission will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable person? If the page is kept it will need to be edited to include only neutral facts and independent sources. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 23:09, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Anne Delong, Acharya Chandana/Sadhvi Chandana (IAST:Acarya Candana) is notable as the first female acharya in the history of Jainism. Jainism: A Pictorial Guide to the Religion of Non-violence edited by Kurt Titze, Klaus Bruhn pp. 206, 216; The A to Z of Jainism By Kristi L. Wiley p. 65. . However the article is full of honorifics and POV, including the title with Shri and ji. Another option is we create a separate neutral stub on the seer.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 08:24, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * , thank you for taking time to look at this. I have added some references, removed a lot of opinion, removed a section that was about an organization instead of about her, and done some copyediting.  However, I know nothing about Jainism, and, indeed, little about India, so I may have accidentally changed the meaning in some areas.  Can you or someone here at this project please read through and see if (1) it's correctly edited, and (2) it is now ready for mainspace.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 13:49, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Anne Delong sure, but am a little busy in real life, will take time. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 14:55, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Seems ok to move to mainspace, Anne Delong. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 09:51, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, . I see that you made some improvements. I have moved it to mainspace at Acharya Chandanaji.  If this is not the correct page title it can always be moved. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 12:30, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Rehal Dynasty
And see Rehal (king). Dougweller (talk) 15:13, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Aryan
Could someone please respond to this at Talk:Aryan:
 * "And their writing should be considered at (nearly) the same level as the one who wrote Mein Kampf"

That's not the kind of arguments we use here at Wikipedia, is it? Joshua Jonathan  -  Let's talk!   07:20, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Rjensen removed the comment. Thanks!  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   09:02, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Need to update Maharashtra and India Maps
Due to creation of Palghar district on 1 August, the following maps need updation: Commons:Category:Locator maps of divisions of Maharashtra and Commons:Category:Locator maps of Maharashtra.

Reference for new map: -- Redtigerxyz Talk 13:48, 14 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Posted a request on Commons' Graphic Lab/Map workshop. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 17:00, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I know an who can do this.   Jim Carter (from public cyber)  12:13, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Basi Banger and Barabasti
Dear India experts: While checking out the draft above I found the second page in mainspace. It seems to have a lot of unsourced content about living people. There is also https://m.facebook.com/Barabasti?v=info which has some of the same information, but which may have been created later, since this is an older article. Perhaps someone here who is more familiar with Indian villages could do something with the mainspace article. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 20:58, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Barabasti and draft (Afc) Basi Banger appears to be similar but both article/draft lacks reliable references which maybe conflicting. &#8212;  C ute st Penguin Hangout 18:49, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

India
Hey can anyone tell me, why full part of Kashmir is not shown in the Indian maps, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:India_West_Bengal_locator_map.svg, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:India_Sikkim_locator_map.svg. Whereas parts of Kashmir is included in Pakistan in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Punjab_in_Pakistan_(claims_hatched).svg? RRD13 (talk) 08:47, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I am curious to know that why you are interested in knowing that? &#8212;  C ute st Penguin Hangout 18:45, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Roy, the depiction of the Kashmir boundary in the India locator maps is well explained in the Legend sections of those pages. I also don't see the Punjab, Pakistan locator map including part of Kashmir in Pakistan (note the hatched vs solid lines) although it could do a better job differentiating between international, state and disputed boundaries and an additional explanatory legend would help.
 * Of greater concern to this wikiproject is the fact that the India locator maps do not show the Andhra Pradesh-Telangana state boundary. Is someone working on that yet, or can User:Planemad help? Abecedare (talk) 20:02, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Translation
Hello Indian experts, I have created an article about a film named Raj Hath. The spelling of the film in hindi is "राजहठ" (see the poster in the article). In English Raj Hath means "King's hand" but seeing the spelling in hindi I have doubts that the real meaning is something else. Can someone tell me what is the real translation?  Jim Carter (from public cyber)  20:49, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The literal translation would be "King's (or Kings', or Royal) obstinacy (or stubbornness)". Abecedare (talk) 21:19, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks .  Jim Carter (from public cyber)  07:17, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

"Indo-Brazilian"
FYI, the usage of "Indo-Brazilian" is up for discussion, see Talk:Anglo-Nubian. You may be interested as it derives from something from India. -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 05:34, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Translation request
Greetings, I need this sentence translated for a warning template:


 * Please do not contribute text in Hindi to the English Wikipedia. Your contributions are more than welcome at the Hindi Wikipedia

It will be included at Template:Not English.- Gilliam (talk) 06:35, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You can use

or
 * English Wikipeida per Hindi me lekh na likhen. App ke Hindi lekh Hindi Wikipedia per Sarhana kiye janege.
 * अंग्रेजी विकिपीडिया पर हिंदी में योगदान न करें, आप के हिंदी लेख हिंदी विकिपीडिया पर सराहना किया जायेगा।.

Thank you

&mdash;  C ute st Penguin Hangout 06:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * A possible translation: कृपया अंग्रेजी विकिपीडिया पर हिन्दी पाठ ना जोड़े। आपका योगदान हिन्दी विकिपीडिया पर अधिक सराहनीये हैं। Someone with better Hindi may kindly check it. -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 06:58, 2 October 2014 (UTC)


 * suggesting minor improvements : कृपया, अंग्रेजी विकिपीडिया पर हिन्दी पाठ ना जोड़े। आपका योगदान हिन्दी विकिपीडिया पर अधिक सराहनीय होगा। Someone with better Hindi may kindly check it. --Mahitgar (talk) 08:15, 2 October 2014 (UTC)--
 * Cutest Penguin It is commonly पर सराहा जायेगा instead of पर सराहना किया जायेगा. Vigyani it should be है instead of हैं (the dot in the top should not be there in this particular use). And it should  be जोड़ें instead of जोड़े in all the three suggestions (the dot in the top should be there in this particular use). I would suggest the last one with this correction. Hindi is my mother tongue and I read a lot in Hindi and write online often in Hindi (not under AmritasyaPutra). --AmritasyaPutra T 10:04, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I used Google translator since I don't have Hindi fonts in OS, and there is no difference. My point of view was to encourage the user to move on Hindi Wikipedia. If you have better knowledge you can suggest here. &#8212;  C ute st Penguin Hangout 10:11, 2 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you all for the translations. Please review the new template at Template:Contrib-hi1. - Gilliam (talk) 18:35, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ It seems fine to me. &#8212;  C ute st Penguin Hangout 05:38, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Political map of India in India
This map in India needs fixing in a hurry. Pondicherry (G) points to multiple places which is obviously not the case. If someone with the technical skills could correct this that would count as their good deed of the day. Thanks. --regentspark (comment) 21:34, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it is indeed the case. See Puducherry. Kautilya3 (talk) 22:44, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The map appears accurate to me; Pondicherry is not a contiguous region. Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:55, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You are right assuming Wikipedia is right :) I had no idea that Pondicherry/Puducherry was so disjointed. --regentspark (comment) 23:45, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know. why those districts are not made part of the respective states ? -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 00:18, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I am not an expert on the history of the states, but I believe it has something to do with the fact that all of Puducherry/Pondicherry (ie the disjointed bits) were a French colony, and so the accession to India worked differently from other states. Daman & Diu, which were Portuguese colonies (I think) remained a Union-territory, and were not integrated with their neighboring states either. Vanamonde93 (talk) 00:52, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The territory of Puducherry was merged with the Indian Union in November 1954 as part of the defacto agreement signed between Government of India and Government of France, later the dejure transfer of Puducherry happened in August 1962. I believe it was a political choice, there was one more colony Chandannagar freed in the same manner but it was merged with the state of West Bengal. Puducherry (the specific one falling in Tamil Nadu) has an interesting history -- Matrimandir is walkable distance (it was a long walk) from Puducherry Railway station (but falls under Tamil Nadu state). --AmritasyaPutra T 01:18, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I read about Chandannagar. Thats why I was curios to know. Chandigarh is UT because of dispute between Haryana and Punjab. In case of parts of Puducherry, there shouldn't be any territorial dispute, as they are well inside the state areas. -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 01:43, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Shared history (or the lack of it) should certainly be a consideration in organizing provinces. For example, the forcible merger of Telengana into Andhra Pradesh was widely regarded as a mistake, which has now been reversed. Kautilya3 (talk) 09:12, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Dholera Page Importance
Dholera in Ahmedabad is rapidly moving towards formation of a mega city. It is a Special investment region.I would like to request people to expand this article and change the importance level of the page. Sukrut Phansalkar (talk) 09:15, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You can be bold and do it yourself with Reliable sources. Our WikiProject importance level is usually low for such geographical areas. Good day, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:23, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

जहाज़रानी मंत्रालय, भारत सरकार
I have written the hindi version of the article Ministry of Shipping (India).जहाज़रानी मंत्रालय, भारत सरकार Please check the grammatical errors and include this article under wikiproject india like the English article.
 * For this you can place note at hi:विकिपीडिया:चौपाल -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 12:05, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Stephen Hector Taylor-Smith
I invite any of you for discussion on page move proposal. Join in there. --George Ho (talk) 17:20, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Ministry of Road Transport and Highways
I have edited the article Ministry of Road Transport and Highways.Please review the article and give a C or B class.Also please correct any mistakes I have made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sukrut Phansalkar (talk • contribs) 10:27, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Photo requests in Delhi and Mumbai
Dear Wikiproject users,

I have article requests in Delhi and Mumbai related to airline corporate headquarters:

DELHI AREA:
 * Air India head office - Airlines House, 113, Gurudwara Rakabganj Road, New Delhi 110 001
 * IndiGo head office - Level 1, Tower C, Global Business Park, Mehrauli-Gurgaon Road, Gurgaon – 122 002, Haryana, India.

MUMBAI AREA: WhisperToMe (talk) 20:16, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Jet Airways head office - Siroya Centre, Sahar Airport Road, Andheri (East), Mumbai, Maharashtra 400099

Kudos to Sriram Vikram for "Editor of the week" recognition
Please congratulate Sriram Vikram for being recognized for the "Editor of the Week" (week ending Oct 5, 2014) for his contributions to Film articles. He helped push Gemini (2002 Tamil film) to Featured Article status. Kudos Sriram. Arunram (talk)
 * Congratulations Sriram! --AmritasyaPutra T 05:43, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Congratulations . &#8212;  C ute st Penguin Hangout 08:48, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Some suggestions for article on chess
I have added few suggestions for article on chess. Kindly check the same and give your views. Dhirand (talk) 11:41, 3 October 2014 (UTC)Dhiraj
 * Where have you added them? Kingsindian &#9821;&#9818; 14:07, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Here at Talk:Chess. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 09:11, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Ministry of Road Transport and Highways
Please someone.... review this article Ministry of Road Transport and Highways and correct the mistakes i have made in editing Sukrut Phansalkar (talk) 10:11, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Ministry Of Shipping
Please review the Ministry of Shipping (India) article and do necessary changes in the additions i have made.Also check if the article is eligible foe C or B class Sukrut Phansalkar (talk) 17:39, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

✅ Assessed as C, will give further comments on the article talk page. Good day, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:28, 4 October 2014 (UTC)


 * That is an amazing amount of work in 3 days. Great job! Kautilya3 (talk) 10:58, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
 * and Thank You!! Sukrut Phansalkar (talk) 11:14, 4 October 2014 (UTC)


 * , you should try and nominate it for WP:DYK; 5x is easily met. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 09:05, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * ,I am new i dont know how to nominate...please guide me else you yourself can do it Sukrut Phansalkar (talk) 10:08, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I have tried fixing the nomination you created at Template:Did you know nominations/Ministry of Shipping (India). You can propose a different hook also if you wish. Keep a watch on it and someone will come and review it. Meanwhile, you have a large and an urgent task to do. Much of the information is simply taken from the various sources you used. See Close paraphrasing and Copyright violations and change the prose as soon as possible. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 11:00, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

[IMPORTANT] Report from ICC 2014
Here is an unofficial draft of tyhe roadmap planned at ICC 2014: User:Titodutta/Condensed proposed roadmap for Wikimedia work in India -- Tito ☸ Dutta 19:52, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Can we ask for any clarifications here or at some other venues ? -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 02:34, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * They may or will make some pages sooner or later at Meta. I may try to answer if you have questions. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 02:44, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * [1] I couldn't understand what [STOP] Intervening in communities without community approval  exactly means. what kind of intervention and who should not intervene ? -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 02:50, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * [2] [STOP] Disallowing English (or other foreign) on Wikipedia,-- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 02:52, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Answer 1) It means decisions should be taken after discussing on-wiki and reaching a consensus. It means Wikimedia India chapter can not force a consensus on WikiProject India. Similarly we can not force Tamil or Telugu Wikipedia to do anything. It should be discussed first. 2) Some local language Wikipedias don't allow English/Roman letters in their Wiki. If you go to their Wiki, and type "abcd" or any thing else in English, they will not allow you to save the edit (there is an automated process now, the you can not save edit with a blackisted URL here) User:Shyamal raised this issue. BTW, will you attend if I nominate your name in next year's conference or whenever I'll get chance (they will bear expenses)? -- Tito ☸ Dutta 03:15, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarifications. So these STOPs are not for normal users. Presently, I live outside India. I will try to attend, if I am in India at the time of the conference. I missed the chance in 2011, that time I was living very close to the conference venue. I was not very active that time :(. -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 03:49, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Mir Mandow Rind
Mir Mandow Rind is nominated for deletion. Discussion is possible here: Articles for deletion/Mir Mandow Rind. The Banner talk 17:42, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Instead of dragging AfDs here you can list it at WikiProject Deletion sorting/India, please avoid doing so since it can be considered to canvassing. &#8212;  C ute st Penguin Hangout 17:58, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Sir, for your info:

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Asia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:03, 17 September 2014 (UTC) Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:04, 17 September 2014 (UTC) Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:04, 17 September 2014 (UTC) Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:04, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * This generated no reply at all. Not positive, not negative. So in a neutral way I notify the Project that this article is nominated. The Banner talk 18:09, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I reviewed the article/AFD a few minutes back but decided to not to vote at the AFD, since I was not sure of my opinion (will perhaps add my thoughts as a comment...). Note that the subject is not really related to India as far as I can see, and those editing in the area of Iran/Afghanistan may be better able to weigh in. Abecedare (talk) 18:17, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Also FYI, the article is largely a duplicate of Mandwani. Abecedare (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Cutest Penguin, posting a neutrally worded message here is not canvassing. --regentspark (comment) 18:26, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Aside: Could project members with a few minutes to spare occasionally weigh in on India related AFDs? You'll note that many of the AFDs at the bottom of the page have been relisted multiple times due to lack of responses; so even your individual considered opinion can make a huge difference! Abecedare (talk) 18:35, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Template:Indian people sidebar
Hello all! I fail to understand the content of the subject template; at least I fail to understand its name and its content. By the name I would assume this template should have included links to articles which are about Indian people. That would mainly be list articles, say all the entries of Lists of people from India by state under the header "By state". And then it would expand to "By religion", "By professions", "By recognitions", and so on. Is my understanding correct? Should the template be edited in that fashion? Currently it has articles about India and not Indian people. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 11:23, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * A category might be better, maybe.  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   11:41, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Means? §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 12:19, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:Indian people. As it is now, the template could be huuuuuuge, covering all aspects of India.  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   12:35, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, and the category is also huge, with many subcategories.  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   12:37, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * We already have a category. the template is supposed to be for links of articles that are "Lists of Indians". The template won't actually have any individual's name in it. It also would include the most prime list-articles. It won't link categories or the sub-categories; especially the trivial ones like the Category:Twin people from India. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 12:40, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Dharmeshdar
So a new article Dharmeshdar states that this person was a stepson of Akbar the great. My searches on Google have been fruitless, but I know little about Indian history, and there very well might be multiple spellings for this person. I recognize the possibility that this is a hoax but I seriously doubt it. I would appreciate if someone knowledgable could comment at the talk page. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:04, 10 October 2014 (UTC)


 * A likely hoax. I have nominated it for deletion. Abecedare (talk) 04:47, 10 October 2014 (UTC)


 * "Stepson of Akbar"?!?! Means Akbar married some woman who birthed a boy whose father was someone else? So dubious for a 15th century Mughal king. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 05:44, 10 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, the European monarchs had their Royal mistresses. Are you saying that the Indian rulers were any less worthy? SYSTEMIC BIAS !!! :-) Abecedare (talk) 05:54, 10 October 2014 (UTC)


 * You mean there is a possibility that Akbar married someone else's mistress/wife? §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 06:56, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, obviously the guy married Kim Kardashian, right? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 06:59, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Nachikulam
Dear India experts: I can't find this village or the Udayamarthandapuram Panchayath in the list of villages at http://www.tnrd.gov.in/databases/Villages.pdf, but there is a village of this name on this list under Vadipatti. Can someone who knows Indian geography check to see if the draft article has the correct municipal designation? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 19:31, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Which draft article are you referring to? §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 05:18, 10 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry - somehow I managed to paste the wrong title when I started this thread. It should have been "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Nachikulam".  I've fixed it now. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 11:39, 10 October 2014 (UTC)


 * , I find "Nachikulam" as the 12th entry in "Vadipatti". "Udhyamarthandapuram" (with an extra "h") is the 23rd entry under "Muthupettai".  Is that what you need? Cheers! Kautilya3 (talk) 18:28, 10 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for finding that, . Since these two places are in different "blocks', does that mean that the lead sentence in that draft is incorrect?  If so, what should it say instead? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 19:52, 10 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, now, I understand the issue. This is apparently a different "Nachikulam" from the one given in the village database. This "Nachikulam" won't appear in the database because it doesn't have a panchayat (village administration) of its own.  It is some kind of a "suburb" of Udhayamarthandapuram. It is impressive that they want a Wiki page for themselves!  If you are wondering if this page should be allowed, I don't see why not.  You might ask them to clarify how it relates to the Udhayamarthandapuram village. Kautilya3 (talk) 20:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Templates with notable personalities included
We have many templates in here that include notable personalities' names in them. These templates are at times filled with names which merely fit the criteria but are not really notable. We need to clean these out sometime. I have started a discussion on one such template: Please give your opinion on its talk page. I would also request all regular editors to pick at least one such similar template and get it cleaned. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 11:10, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Template:Hindi writers and Template_talk:Hindi_writers

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Purba Banglar Bhasha
Dear India experts: This seems like an interesting topic, but it has no references. Perhaps they are not in English. Is this a notable book, and should the article be kept and improved? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 03:50, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Anne Delong, Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for Bangladesh-related topics might be a better place to approach. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:05, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

If you make articles on ethnic Indian populations in Canada, be sure to include info on Air India 182's impact on the community
I started some stubs on ethnic communities in Toronto and Montreal. If you want to start articles on the following: Please be sure to research and see if you can find information on how Air India Flight 182 impacted those communities? How many families were affected? Were any Canadian Indian community leaders on board? I also know that Canadian officials made condolences to India without acknowledging the Canadian Indian community.
 * Indians in Toronto, Indians in Montreal, Indians in Vancouver...

There was a CBC documentary I saw which involved relatives in Vancouver, Toronto, and then Montreal recounting what they said to their loved ones before they boarded the plane. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:23, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Translation needed to check for copyvio
is used in this edit. Can someone please translate it for me so I can be sure it's not copyvio? Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 16:15, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Article Name needs Changing - Para Commandos
Para Commandos are currently referred to as 'Para (Special Forces)' or 'Para SF', something which is reflected in the Parachute Regiment (India) article and Parachute Regiments official website, along with articles like these:,. Also, contains a complete naming history on Page 11 and also has the following quote " By that point the para-commando battalions were redesignated as parachute (special forces)". In my opinion, this should be an uncontroversial technical issue, since this change is clearly indicated in RS. However, I believe that in WP:RMT it was classified as a controversial request. Any thoughts?Myopia123 (talk) 15:50, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Karan (caste)
This doesn't actually seem to be an article on the caste since these changes. It's more or less a cutdown version of Madala Panji which seems wrong. There are comments on my talk page about this and arguments at List of Shudra Hindu saints‎. Dougweller (talk) 18:11, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, I will take it up on the talk page. I do agree with this editor that karans are probably not shudras.  All the karans I know wear the jandhyam thread, which is not done by the shudra castes. Kautilya3 (talk) 19:03, 2 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Karans, those live in Odisha can never be approved of being Shudras. Looking to the sources that describe them as shudras , those are written by Bengali people , who are very much alien to Odia culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bitthalns (talk • contribs) 14:20, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Please find some reliable sources that can establish the issue one way or another, and we can edit the page accordingly. Kautilya3 (talk) 14:48, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
 * A few recent sources although I'm not sure they will help with this specific issue. However this article can benefit from any well sourced material.   Dougweller (talk) 15:06, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Someone keeps sneaking back in to remove the cited material and add fluff. I've added a few more citations, copyediting, and added a multi-cited section about the historical inclarity of their social status. If a couple more folks could Watchlist this to prevent the continued tampering, that'd be appreciated.MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:06, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Participation in this content dispute is welcome
Talk:M._S._Golwalkar --AmritasyaPutra T 18:13, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

U-DISE and articles about secondary schools
U-DISE (Unified District Information System for Education) is a database of information about schools in India. See http://www.dise.in/udise.html and U-DISE

I wonder if someone could create a bot to create Wikipedia articles on all the secondary schools in the U-DISE database, in the same way that articles on all cities in the United States were created from census data by a bot. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 17:45, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Articles on all secondary schools? There could be a million of them, if not more! Kautilya3 (talk) 20:11, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. That's what we do for U.S.-based secondary schools. We write articles on them. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:17, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yet more crappy stubs, copyvios of school websites and loads of POV coming then? Really, that notability guideline should be toughened up. Do either or  really understand the endemic core problems relating to Indian articles? - 90.213.181.169 (talk) 20:31, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Copyvios are a serious problem, and I agree they should be dealt with. Many new editors write "loads of POV" because they are uneducated on how to write an encyclopedia article. The way to deal with that is to educate them, show them how not to write "loads of POV".
 * But our readers are well-served by "crappy stubs" which can grow into truly good articles with additional work from another editor. That's how things were done in Wikipedia back in the day: they started as a "crappy stub" and grew into something more. If you try to stop "crappy stubs" you get a magical thing called "stagnation" which is perceived as a problem on this Wikipedia. Do you want new blood, 90.213.181.169? Do you want more people to come and edit? If so, you should allow them to write about things they are interested in. Let them start "crappy stubs" and they can be improved at a later time.
 * Now, you say there are "endemic core problems". I edit more articles on China and Japan than on India, so... what are they?
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 20:37, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Two points: (1) It would be best to copy this thread to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Education in India where people might have better input than we do. (2) The ICC 2014 report posted by User:Tito Dutta has said that the indiscriminate bot-generation of stubs is a practice that should be stopped.  So, there is a problem with what people seem to want. Kautilya3 (talk) 21:11, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The 90.* was me. I don't want more crap here, period. If someone wants to write about something that they are interested in then they can start the article if it does not already exist. Please do not encourage the horrendous problems that we face in the Indic topic area wrt copyvio, pov, poor phrasing, promotion etc. We can't keep a grip on much of what we have, the WMF themselves completely misunderstood the problems with their disastrous Indian Education Program and it seems to me that neither WhisperToMe nor Eastmain have much clue about them either. If the pair of you spend a solid few months editing existing India articles then you might have a better understanding, and I am sure that the regulars here would welcome more involvement. That said, I would have hoped that an admin, at least, would already be aware. - Sitush (talk) 14:05, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Sitush, since you seem to have this clue, do you mind providing articles that show me this situation? When editing article son US schools, yes, I have encountered "junk." Oftentimes I personally contact the IP editor and tell him/her what is wrong with the edit. If you revert without notifying the new editor they may not understand and leave. The Wikimedia Foundation thinks the lack of editor retention is a big problem, and apparently some members of the public perceive that they can't edit Wikipedia, which is promised to be "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." Sitush, look through the complaints in the Wizardman AMA: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1teba8/i_am_wizardman_a_wikipedia_administrator_former/ WhisperToMe (talk) 23:23, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with the "Indian Education Program" and so shan't comment on it or on others' perceptions of it. That matter aside, Sitush is right. En:Wikipedia is awash with atrocious (promotional, essayistic, etc) rubbish about south Asia. Inviting a huge increase in the quantity of articles about India means inviting a massive infusion of junk. WhisperToMe would be most welcome to write properly sourced, non-promotional, encyclopedic articles about Indian secondary schools (and then to keep them on his watchlist and defend them against the likely attempts to add trivia, boosterism, etc). I guess. Though I think it would be better if he concentrated on the articles that already exist. &para; If anyone has the energy and knowledge to create a bot, I suggest one that would sweep through every article on an Indian place (city, town, whatever), remove from its list of "Notable people" (or similar) every redlink, and remove "famous", "great" etc from descriptions of the bluelinks. -- Hoary (talk) 14:27, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I have been involved in making sourced articles on U.S. schools. I don't watch my watchlist, but instead I tag the associated WikiProjects so they can become the defenders of the article. It's true that quality control is important, and promotionalism needs to be toned down. However I think many people write promotionally not because they are trying to subvert Wikipedia, but because they don't know any better. If you cut down their content without explaining why on their talk page, they'll not understand what's going on. Have you seen the complaints in the Wizardman AMA on Reddit? http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1teba8/i_am_wizardman_a_wikipedia_administrator_former/ WhisperToMe (talk) 23:23, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * This Wikiproject is overburdened already. And you have clearly still not grasped the problems in the Indic sphere here, which are admittedly pretty unique but well documented on the drama boards etc. I encourage you to go edit Nair, Ezhava, Ganges or India Against Corruption ... and don your flame-proof suit. - Sitush (talk) 23:48, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Have you considered assembling a presentation on this? It means those who you are trying to convince/educate don't have to do any additional work themselves and it will make the points clearer to them. Thanks for the ideas of editing those articles (to demonstrate possible issues): I'd have to think about what kind of edit would add something to those articles. As for the overburdened Wikiproject, has it been able to recruit new editors? One thing I do with new users is try to tell them whether something is wrong with their edit. See: User_talk:Maestrodelcastillo. His edit was reverted with no explanation, so my explanation (which was late) is needed to say why the edit was wrong. If more Wikipedians did that, maybe public knowledge of Wikipedia would expand. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:44, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * See India Education Program/Analysis/Independent Report from Tory Read. And note that the project has long moved on from the standards that were acceptable at its beginning, although a lot of poor content from those early years still remains. Wikipedia has matured, thankfully. - 90.196.41.99 (talk) 15:00, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

IMO it would be inadvisable to create stubs on the ~1.5 million schools in the U-DISE database (or, even the ~250,000 secondary schools) that will contain little to no information besides some of the raw data contained in forms such as this one. The same information is better presented in ~660 district-wise list of school articles, which I would support creating. Aside: My guess is that roughly 1% of these schools would have personalized website. So the primary problem with the vast majority of these proposed school articles would not be information being indiscriminately copied from the school websites, but a semi-permanent stub status that provides little except the talking-point that "wikipedia has x-million articles" or "wikipedia has an article on every school in India". Abecedare (talk) 15:13, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * What happens when the districts change? I'm sure you have seen the nightmare regarding Telangana recently, many articles relating to which are still not fixed. And, of course, Telanagana is state-level: keeping track of districts will be much more problematic. - 90.196.41.99 (talk) 15:22, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I see your point. And even worse, with a base of 1.5 million schools to deal with, we should expect several tens-of-thousand entries to change every year as schools open, close, and move. Keeping a current list of these is more a job of a directory, than an encyclopedia or gazetteer. Abecedare (talk) 15:58, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that I wouldn't create articles with a bot. I would have a list on a database, but I would leave article creation to humans. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:44, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

A requested move
There is an informal requested move here, please consider participating: User_talk:Titodutta/Condensed_proposed_roadmap_for_Wikimedia_work_in_India -- Tito ☸ Dutta 20:26, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Notable?
Is this political party article passes our notability threshold? If notable can anyone expand it?  Jim Car ter  15:20, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately Jago Punjab Party, political party is not notable as per me and Google. &#8212;  C ute st Penguin Hangout 15:27, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, feel free to participate in the discussion.  Jim Carter (from public cyber)  05:01, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

E-commerce in India
Our article says ecommerce in India is valued at US$14 billion in 2012. But this article says the market value is US$ 3.5 billion in 2014. Can someone look into the matter? --EditorMakingEdits (talk) 02:31, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * This reference not be cited in the article since this is not THE HINDU is saying, it seems to be an interview or press release where Praveen Sengar, research director at Gartner saying that value which can be his own personal views on e-commerce in India. &#8212;  C ute st Penguin Hangout 15:37, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Thanks for the clarification. --EditorMakingEdits (talk) 15:49, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but that reasoning does not make sense to me. The Hindu is reporting Gartner's market research finding, because that is what reporters do (yes, they should have also reported independent experts views on the finding, provided better context and comparative analysis etc, but that is tangential to the basic point) and Gartner is a recognized specialist in the field. So we certainly can use The Hindu article to make a statement along the lines of, "In 2014 Gartner estimated..."
 * Nice catch on the discrepancy! My initial thought was that the numbers cited in the wikipedia article ($14 billion in 2014) were untrustworthy, because they traced back to a claim by "Peppercloset.com owner Sumeet Arora", who is not necessarily a recognized expert in the area. But those numbers turn out to be in line with the ones produced by PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) ($12.6 billion in 2013). So FWIW my guess is that the Gartner numbers are only for what PwC calls the e-tailing sector (ie excluding the travel sector, which constitutes 70% of the Indian online purchase market) -- with this reading the PwC numbers ($2.3 billion in 2013) would be close enough to Gartner's ($3.5 billion in 2014). However this is just a guess, and not really usable in wikipedia articles.
 * As far as the article is concerned, it would be good to have it updated with both the Gartner and PwC estimates. Abecedare (talk) 16:20, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd go with the Gartner reference rather than the reference in the article itself. That reference quotes the co-owner of an e-commerce site (not an independent source by any means). Gartner, on the other hand, is a respected source for data about the digital world and is reliable. I suspect they are both correct and the difference is likely whether the travel sector is included or not but Gartner is the more reliable. --regentspark (comment) 16:25, 17 October 2014 (UTC) (ec) I guess Abecedare has done the better research - as usual :). --regentspark (comment) 16:27, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Abecedare, thank you for the detailed research. I have updated the article based on your research. --EditorMakingEdits (talk) 01:02, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Possible hoaxes
A series of articles about Indian castes, ethnic groups and surnames are/were tagged as possible hoaxes, and I don't think they are. I removed two hoax tags, from Khatri and Tandon. Other so accused are Abbhi and Batta. I'd appreciate if someone could look at these and see if they are genuine. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 22:08, 17 October 2014 (UTC)


 * 200% Abecedare (talk) 22:53, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * abbhi and batta are misspelled names of other common caste names. Both of these articles can be deleted. I think this is the right time when abecedare can reclaim adminship and use the tools Bladesmulti (talk) 06:14, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

In "India article statistics" on WikiProject_India how to fix the numeric hyperlinks?
I had asked the question here, can someone here provide help/fix? Thank you. --AmritasyaPutra T 15:28, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Ājīvika
Hi, Can anyone take a look at Ājīvika article? This recent edit seems to be against the rough consensus on the talk page Talk:Ājīvika. --Rahul (talk) 19:22, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Before more people would uselessly bother about it. Let them know that none of the changes had to do with that rough consensus at all. That edit was essential, because some editors removed sourced content and added original research. If you are going to call that it was against consensus then consider bringing issue on the talk page first and detail each change. Bladesmulti (talk) 23:23, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Reaching out to English Wikipedians in and from India
I am trying to understand the best way to reach as many en wikipedians from india through a single channel. Will forming a FB group help? Can someone of you take this initiative? Please advise if there are better ways. I havr already subscribed to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en and https://www.facebook.com/WikimediaIndiaEnglish --Ravishankar (talk) 13:22, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * For now the mailing list doesnt seem very active. The last conversations happened in June'14. The last post on the FB page was Feb 2013. In my view, I would think this notice board perhaps is the most active forum of all to reach out to Wikipedians from India focusing on English wikipedia. I will request others to revert as well. Arunram (talk) 15:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Arun ji has given the best answer. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 16:02, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * FB group won't be much useful as not all user would join the group as people have FB accounts on real names and its not worth it to open a separate FB for wikiname just to join a group. I agree with Arunram. Whats wrong with this page itself? §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 05:21, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Swamy Das Nallagatla
Dear India experts: This old AfC submission appears to be about a notable politician. It needs some inline citations, but should be accepted if its improved a bit. When this happens, what should the title of the article be? What is this man's surname? Is "Swamy" a title or a part of his name? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 19:10, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Best to write his name as he himself writes it on his Facebook page "Nallagatla Swamydas" (and not refer to him as "Das"). "Nallagatla" is indeed the family name, but Telugu people write their family names at the front rather than the end. Kautilya3 (talk) 21:00, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Keep the title of the article, Nallagatla Swami Das as the reference from The Hindu is talking about. &mdash;  C ute st Penguin Hangout 15:39, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, that article calls him "Mr. Swamy Das", which is kind of at odds with his surname being Nallagatla. If he is a politician in the public eye, the newspaper should not make that mistake.  What is correct here? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 18:22, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The answer is straightforward - he is Mr. Swamydas or Mr. Swamy Das if he prefers to separate that name into two, but Nallagatla is his family name. Don't confuse the family name with surnames, or if you prefer then accept that a given name can be a surname even if there is a family name present. Many people in India use their given name as westerners use surnames. Imc (talk) 18:44, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Name of Oroxylum indicum
I would like to invite your project to weigh in on the Rfd on Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_October_20. We're trying to know if the sign " टेटु" is a native name, and therefore a valid redirect, for Oroxylum indicum. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:46, 21 October 2014 (UTC)


 * That's just the tip of the iceberg. There's a lot of Hindi/Sanskrit/Kannada Rs to that article as well as their Latin alphabet transliterations. I've tabulated a lot of them at that RfD. Si Trew (talk) 08:59, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

RFC on Indo-Canadians in Vancouver
RFC at: Talk:Indo-Canadians: Should Indo-Canadians in British Columbia and Indo-Canadians in Greater Vancouver be separate or should the latter be merged into the former?

Another question: Would it count as WP:SYNTH to have a dedicated article on the Indo-Canadian population of Metro Vancouver? (Vancouver, Surrey, and other Vancouver suburbs) WhisperToMe (talk) 06:14, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Fringe theory discussion
One editor added category:Fringe theories to Out of India theory, lead to an extended discussion about it Talk:Out_of_India_theory. Have a view. Bladesmulti (talk) 14:47, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Colour of politics
Hello All! Holi?! No! But Happy and Colourful Diwali to everyone. We have these colour templates associated with many political parties at the Category:India political party colour templates and I have following agenda now. We have a different section below to carry on discussions about the changes that are needed. Even if sounding redundant, let me say that we should suggest logical colours that align with party’s ideology and associations. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 06:35, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) While some parties have same ideology and hence are using same colours in wiki and outside wiki, I think they shouldn’t use it here on wiki. They should at least use a different shade to distinguish these all parties. For example, BJP and Shiv Sena have same code of #FF9933. (Even MNS is using same code and don’t know why no problem ever occurred with both MNS & Shiv Sena having same codes but being in opposition since beginning.) While BJP & Shiv Sena have been in coalition till now, there wasn’t much problem I suppose. But in the Maharashtra Legislative Assembly election, 2014, they have broken this coalition and hence the graphs, piecharts, assembly seating diagrams, etc. should be using two different shades to distinguish them. Similar case might be with many other parties.
 * 2) We also seem to be using colour names directly in some templates and those needs to be changed to Hex triplets like many others for uniformity.
 * 3) While we are there, suggestions to alter the colours based on actual out-wiki scenario are more welcome.
 * 4) I suppose a template should also be created for independent candidates. While white is a good neutral colour of them, it doesn't stand out in the white background that's almost always present.

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Discussion space

 * Great efforts ! Bladesmulti (talk) 07:02, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Really great effort. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 08:06, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I wanted to arrange them in similar colour shades. But that was way too much of work. Hence simply went alphabetic. But I suppose that would have been more useful. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 11:17, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Other than the Saffron parties being similar colour/shades no issues. Id agree, as I suggested, independents need to be more clear than the reading background. So a different shade of white (as neutral) would be good.
 * Or maybe symbols per ECI? think that good and neutralLihaas (talk) 14:14, 20 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbols have to be free for use on multiple pages and a huge chunk of ECI symbols were deleted post this DR in Commons. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 17:38, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Can we appeal it?Lihaas (talk) 12:11, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * #DDDDDD is assigned for Independet candidates as per Template:Independent (politician)/meta/color--Mrutyunjaya Kar (talk) 19:00, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Ahmed Hassan Imran
Can anyone from here expand the article Ahmed Hassan Imran with NPOV style. As of now he very famous with his activities.. Thanks in advance. - Jayanta Nath (Talk|Contrb) 19:04, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Vijayanagara literature in Kannada considered for Main Page
There is an ongoing discussion on whether to feature the WP:FA quality article Vijayanagara literature in Kannada on the Main Page.

You may participate at Today's featured article/requests/Vijayanagara literature in Kannada.

Thank you,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:12, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Today's Featured Article Request?
In a discussion over at WP:TFA/R,  brought up the fact that Vijayanagara literature in Kannada has never been featured on the front page. It seems that the editor who brought the article to FA status,, may not be active anymore (no contributions for 3 years). Are there any editors here who might be interested in preparing a TFA blurb for the article and nominating it over at WP:TFA/R? 0x0077BE [talk/contrib] 12:17, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like has taken up this task, see section below.  0x0077BE  [talk/contrib] 17:16, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Monuments 2014
Why did Wiki Loves Monuments 2014-the India edition did not happen this year? Guru-45 (talk) 17:31, 31 October 2014 (UTC)


 * It didn't happen because no one organised it. Perhaps if you are interested you can organise next year's WLM. AshLin (talk)

Move Discussion
I have started a discussion to move Bangalore to Bengaluru here as the GOI has finally cleared the request to rename/change the spelling of the city. The change will be in effect from Nov 1 -sarvajna (talk) 21:00, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

RFC on Ayurveda
See Talk:Ayurveda and have your comments. Bladesmulti (talk) 13:34, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Kanjirottu Yakshi
Would someone verify this page to be authentic? I cannot see any notability with this name. Bladesmulti (talk) 07:28, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Page move
I have proposed that Vivekananda should be renamed back to Swami Vivekanada, have your comments. I have also informed In ictu oculi about this proposal. Bladesmulti (talk) 04:36, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Purusha sukta - some eyes please
I've just reverted User:Chandraputra who appears to be adding pov/unsourced material to this article, eg "The above mentioned scholars (including Ambedkar an anti-Vedic Buddhist) following the trend of European orientalists at the time were trying to undermine the antiquity of Vedic civilization as part of their colonial strategy of psychological warfare against the native Indians." as well as suggesting that modern Indian scholars are colonial era scholars, etc. The edit I reverted is this one and I'd appreciate other eyes, especially as one edit summary says " reverted back to an edited version of my original. Seems someone doesn't want to allow views of non-European and non-colonialists. A little racism going on." I'm sure like so many articles of all sorts this one needs improving, but I don't think the edits in question are what is needed. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 19:21, 3 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Watchlisted (fwiw). Can you figure out which version to revert Haqiqat Rai to (saw your name in article history) ? Abecedare (talk) 19:32, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't know it needed reverting. I'm not sure what problem you see there. I've also restored Ambedkar's quote, he's published by Routledge, seems an RS. Dougweller (talk) 21:43, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Durga Charan Panigrahi
Durga Charan Panigrahi is one of the notable scientist of India. There is a draft Draft:Durga Charan Panigrahi which I rejected as it need some improvement as I have mentioned in the comment. Help is needed to improve the article to bring it to wikipedia article level. Logical1004 (talk) 10:22, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Vaishali district-related articles
I could use a bit of help. A user is having some trouble with punctuation and capitalization. Please see the contribs.



Many thanks for any help you can offer. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:00, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Hindu Month articles inconsistency
There are various regional variations of the Hindu calendar: Indian national calendar, Bengali calendar, Nepali calendar etc. The problem is these 3 calendar have created 3 separate articles e.g. Chaitra (Hindu calendar), Chaitra (Nepali calendar) (also known as Chait), Choitro. All these denote the same time period, but the names are different as per calendar. The Tamil calendar name is Chithirai, but it redirects to Chaitra. I suggest all corresponding articles be merged into Hindu calendar month articles, as done in Ashvin. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 17:29, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, Choitro is the Bengali word for same. --AmritasyaPutra T 19:29, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed, all these can be merged. Alternative names can be mentioned in the intro. utcursch | talk 16:39, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Disagree. Merging the Bangla calendar under the heading "Hindu calendar" would be a recipe for friction since Bangladesh, although officially secular, is de facto a Muslim country. This is not just an India-related topic, and I will notify Wikiproject Bangladesh about this discussion. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I did not understand the connection with Hindu/Mulsim India/Bangladesh and a 'recipe for friction'. Can you elaborate? --AmritasyaPutra T 13:37, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The calendar being named after a religion (Hindu calendar) suggests that it is used only for matters having to do with that religion. The Bangla calendar is *the* official calendar of the country of Bangladesh, which does not consider itself a Hindu nation. Here in wikipedia, as elsewhere, friction sometimes occurs over matters having to do with different religions. The page called Bengali calendar should not be merged into Hindu calendar. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:06, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Beg you pardon my dear, but Bengali Calendar is not a Hindu calendar. This is specifically vivid when Bengali Hindus use a different calendar (the Saka era) for all religious purposes. However it is true that, most other Indian calendars are variations of Saka calendar, Bengali Calendar was specifically purposed NOT to be Hindu when it was introduced by the Mughals. It has rather a Muslim connection, as initially the year number was given same as the Hijri year number; off course length difference lead to Bengali year lag behind Hijri year.
 * Nutshell, merging all months and calendar article into a single one is as stupid idea as merging all Newark into a single article and saying Newark, Indiana and Newark, New York are same. –  nafSadh did say 16:33, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, and in addition, Bengali Calendar is shall be out of the scope of Wikiproject India. This calendar is not used anywhere in India either. –  nafSadh did say 16:36, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. That Bengali calendar months will be retained as separate articles. My confusion rose because the Bengali Hindus use the same names. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:34, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

RFC on recent renaming of 11 Indian cities... use old or new names?
As of November 1st, the following twelve cities have official been renamed: Bangalor, Belgaum, Bellary, Bijapur, Chikmagalur, Gulbarga, Hospet, Hubli, Mysore, Mangalore, Shimoga, Tumkur. This is has not been uncommon over the past 50 years as cities and states have been renamed (see Renaming of cities in India). The two most common reasons for renaming is (1) Changing from British English to Indian English, with an example of Calcutta changing to Kolkata. (2) Official Indian English name changed to what it is known in the local language, with and example of Madras State changing to Tamil Nadu.

With most of the past recent changes, including the latest twelve, confusion and questions arise as to what to call an article's name, the new one or keep with the old one?

The two opposing camps come down to the following arguments:
 * Keep old name: Per WP:COMMONNAME, some topics have multiple names, and this can cause disputes as to which name should be used in the article's title. Wikipedia prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources) as such names will be the most recognizable and the most natural. This is often referred to using the Wikipedia short cut term: "COMMONNAME".
 * Use new name: Per WP:ENGVAR,specifically, MOS:TIES, An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the English of that nation.
 * Use new name: Per Manual of Style/India-related articles, Use only Indian English spellings as per the guidelines for India related pages.

The two most recent name changes were in 2011 with the city of Orissa renamed to Odisha and Union territory of Pondicherry renamed to Puducherry. The talk discussion for the renaming of Puducherry is here and Odisha's is here. In both cases, it came down to COMMONNAME vs ENGVAR.

I've noticed in all the discussion contain that Ganges is not the official name of the river, it is Ganga. It was asked in both Puducherry's and Odisha's talk discussion, so read there first as it may or may not answer your question. Somebody was Trouted in the section about the Ganges. Before you ask, yes trout is found in the streams around Ganges, (Canada).

The following questions I bring up for the RFC Bgwhite (talk) 08:16, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) For the most recent renamed twelve cities, should the article's title be the old or new name?
 * 2) Most likely, cities will be renamed in the future.  As as happened in the past and is currently happening, discussion will rage on what to do.  Should a policy be established for future name changes?

-


 * Ping. Pinging people who have recently been involved at Talk:Bangalore.
 * This contains possible non NPOV material. I was looking at what the English newspapers in India are doing:
 * The Hindu Still has some old names, but it is using new names for all cities in articles.
 * The Indian Express Only Bangalore
 * The Times of India Still has some old names, but articles on Nov. 3rd contains Bengaluru
 * The Financial Express (India) Has been using both names for awhile with no rhyme or reason to which one. I can't find a really recent article.
 * Mint Contains only one article this month with Bangalore/Bangaluru and it uses both names in the article.
 * Deccan Herald Only Bangalore
 * Tito Dutta's Indian newspaper search is here. Beware, it grabs everything with "Bengaluru", so there are false positives.  For example, The football team Bengaluru FC.

Bgwhite (talk) 08:16, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This section should have been very clearly: Should a policy be established for future city name changes? 1. All 11 or 12 names cities will have specific factors and reference to discuss about. It is unfair to club the entire group into one move request discussion. 2. There is a RFC/MR for Benguluru and arguments specific to it should be there and not in yet another section, Bengaluru should be discussed in Bengaluru talk page. I would like to suggest a policy thus: In case a city is renamed, and it has significant coverage in published sources the articles may be moved to new name with old names redirected to it. --AmritasyaPutra T 08:43, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You don't understand the question and the reason for the question.  Several of the 12 articles now have page-protection and/or edit wars on renaming. The same themes and people keep coming up in renaming cities, both past and present.  It is not practical nor prudent to have 12 separate discussions, with the same people, on COMMONAME, ENGVAR, "significant coverage in published sources" or any other reason to rename or not to rename.  A centralised discussion on what the heck should be done will solve 90+% of the issues.  Your opinion on having 12 separate discussions to argue over COMMONAME, ENGVAR, rivers, bridges, other cities in the world is one answer and one that nobody would want to do.  Bgwhite (talk) 09:53, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have participated only in Bengaluru and none of the others. We are not rehashing Bengaluru in this yet another section, right? I think the on-going discussion on those pages should be closed if we want to address them with a single discssion here. Are we discussing new policy or a resolution on these specific 12 move request (I am aware and party to only 1)? --AmritasyaPutra T 10:30, 3 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Namaste, welcome back to WikiProject India noticeboard. I don't underhand the purpose of this RFC I feel that each city's renaming should be discussed separately. When general English newspapers and RS start using "new name", we should move to new title. You may also see 1 -- Tito ☸ Dutta 14:23, 3 November 2014 (UTC) 14:27, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't understand? Let's take your answer of "When general English newspapers and RS start using".   Is that Indian sources or worldwide?  In past discussions, people have said worldwide sources while others say Indian only.  What about relatively smaller cities as there some with 200,000-400,000 people.  Except for very rare occasions, they won't be mentioned in worldwide papers or in the bigger Indian English papers.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:27, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Is that Indian sources or worldwide? — that is a good but complicated question. Some Indian newspapers will start using city's new name from the next day of it's name change, some foreign newspapers will take a long time before update their database. I feel, over-all study of both Indian and non-Indian sources should be done, and each should be discussed separately. For "small cities", -- the issue you have mentioned, is an important one. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 21:41, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Comment: Bangalore has been renamed 7-8 years ago by the state government, the latest notification regards the central government acceptance of the name change. Over these years the new name is finding greater acceptance, Indian news papers and TV channels have been using the new name. That should settle the issue as regards Bangalore per Wikipedia policy: The local English name ought be the article title, Bangalore's new name smartly qualifies. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 05:57, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. I do not really feel this RfC is appropriate, given that move requests for these cities were concluded within the last two weeks, and the majority of them ended with clear consensus not to move the pages at this time; in fact, in not more than one or two of the discussions did even a single editor support the proposals. While I don't think it was Bgwhite's intention, it has the effect of forum shopping. Dekimasu よ! 06:45, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree with Dekimasu that this seems suspiciously like forum shopping. I also believe that all of these articles should stay at their current titles, as those are the most common English forms worldwide. I also think "Kolkata" should be moved to "Calcutta", which is still much more common in English. Bobby Martnen (talk) 23:23, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: The common name does not change in a day. Many Indian media organizations have not adopted the official name completely even after the official change., including Business Standard, India Today, Indian Express, NDTV, CNN IBN (, using both).  Redtigerxyz  Talk 07:20, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Call for improving articles about Gwalior Gharana & Neela Bhagwat
This is a call for editors interested in contributing to help improve these articles. Today there was an event organized in Mumbai to receive contributions of bandishes (with detailed notes) of the Gwalior Gharana by Pandit Neela Bhagwat compiled over a period of 30 years. This was facilitated by Vishnu and Team A2K.

It would be befitting if we wikipedians could edit together to improve articles of the Gwalior Gharana and Pandit Neela Bhagwat. All of these pages need significant improvement. Thanks Arunram (talk)


 * I second the appeal. en:WP articles on Art in India require much improvement. AshLin (talk) 21:47, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Does WikiProject India cover the Indian (post-partition) diaspora?
After an inquiry here Talk:Indo-Canadians I want to ask the participants of WikiProject India a question: Does WikiProject India cover the Indian (post-partition) diaspora? He believes that Indo-Canadians should not be tagged with WikiProject India. WhisperToMe (talk) 11:56, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of diaspora people in WikiProject India, and we are happy to cover all diaspora. If Indo-Canadians don't want to be covered by WikiProject India, it is their wish.  It has to be decided mainly by the participants on that page. Kautilya3 (talk) 18:41, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd like to say that I do not concur with 's interpretation. Wikipedia pracxtice is for all related WikiProjects to cover a page concerning them, so many articles have multiple WikiProjects including them in their list of articles. It is not based on POV of an individual or group of individuals. theoretically WikiProject India cannot absolve its responsibility of care of articles about Indian diaspora. AshLin (talk) 13:19, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The article Indo-Canadians does call for a WikiProject India template, no? --AmritasyaPutra T 13:27, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You can add a WikiProject India template. If it is removed, then you would need to seek consensus as to whether it should include the template or not. --regentspark (comment) 13:45, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Include WikiProject India on article. Most diaspora articles like British American, Armenian American, Greek Britons, Egyptian American. I have come across contain the originating nation's WP too. -- Redtigerxyz  Talk 15:51, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * - Apparently Indo-Canadian covers the entire Indian subcontinent so WikiProject South Asia is more appropriate. Then that means the definition may be similar to South Asian Canadian! The specific term for a Canadian with origins from post-partition India is "East Indian Canadian" (according to Statistics Canada) and no article exists there yet. (I use Kamala Elizabeth Nayar as the source of my definitions of "Indo-Canadian" and "South Asian Canadian") - See Wikipedia_talk:Canadian_Wikipedians'_notice_board in regards to the definitions WhisperToMe (talk) 07:31, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

I have added the WikiProject South Asia tag to both South Asian Canadian and Indo-Canadian ("Indo-Canadians" include people from other countries in the Indian subcontinent). There is no existing article about East Indian Canadians (Canadians with origins from post-partition India). WhisperToMe (talk) 06:10, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * , adding in WikiProject South Asia may be politically correct. However, multiple listing is desireable so that the article gets more views & eyeballs. Hence WikiProject India banner is applicable too, since majority of the South Asians would be Indian, I presume. This gives the articles a chance to get more eyeballs, become part of assessment & improvement drives etc. Keeping the good of the article in mind, I'm adding WikiProject India banners also to these articles. AshLin (talk) 20:48, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * That's fine too :) WhisperToMe (talk) 00:14, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Old maps and views of parts of India
As you might have seen in the Signpost last week, there's currently a drive to go through the million 19th century images released by the British Library last year, and identify all the maps, with a view to their being georeferenced by BL volunteers, and then uploaded to Commons early next year. After the first week, over eight thousand new maps have been identified, with 40% of the target books looked at -- see the status page for the latest figures, and more information.

A part that may specifically interest this project is the India section on the page
 * c:Commons:British Library/Mechanical Curator collection/Synoptic index, Asia and Australasia

which currently as a whole shows pink templated links for 257 Flickr book pages still to be looked at. (Though there are lots of other parts of the world still to be looked through as well).

Any help looking through these would be very much appreciated -- as well as the maps (and ground plans) for tagging, you may well also find other interesting or useful non-map views that may be worth considering or uploading for articles on parts of India and elsewhere. (If uploading, please use the ingestion template described here, which sets up some appropriate image templates and categories).

One particularly nice set of maps that has been found can be seen at c:Category:Mysore: a gazetteer compiled for Government; but small black and white maps are just as worth tagging.

Thanks, Jheald (talk) 22:43, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the update on this valuable new resource. I encourage all WikiProject India users, especially those interested in history and geography to give a hand. AshLin (talk) 06:04, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Gangwar
Can someone please have a look at Gangwar. The usual caste glorification by - pseudo-historical claims of royal connection and insertion of a list of IAS/IPS officers (one of whom is apparently User:Ds gangwar himself). utcursch | talk 17:18, 31 October 2014 (UTC)


 * , Had a look. Thanks for reverting it yourself. AshLin (talk) 07:00, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Peer review for Reeth Abraham
Dear fellow editors, I would like to request a peer review from folks here of the Reeth Abraham article that I recently enhanced. The earlier version of the article is here. Your suggestions and review comments are welcome. thanks Arunram (talk) 10:12, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Please Review Draft:National Cyber Coordination Centre (NCCC) Of India
I am making this request as per the suggestions of User:MatthewVanitas. I would appreciate if any reviewer would spare some time to review the Draft:National Cyber Coordination Centre (NCCC) Of India article. Thanks in anticipation.

120.59.238.147 (talk) 03:36, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I've modified the heading for clarity. Indian expertise in the publishability of this article would be appreciated. You can use the WP:AFCH tools to simply publish the article into mainspace if anyone feels qualified to do so and finds the article suitable. MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:46, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks MatthewVanitas and AmritasyaPutra for your time and help. I have resubmitted the draft modified by AmritasyaPutra for review and hope the same would meet the standards of Wikipedia for inclusion. --120.59.235.135 (talk) 07:16, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I have done a major cleanup, it will need some more, left concerns in AFC comment. --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 09:51, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for making the massive cleanup.I have made the second draft in this regard and would appreciate if you give it a look. Thanks -- 120.59.99.118 (talk) 12:50, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Please review the second draft in this regard.Thanks. --120.59.235.126 (talk) 10:43, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ National Cyber Coordination Centre (NCCC) Of India you can help the article in keeping neutral point of view. — <b style="color:#D60047">C</b><b style="color:#F0A000">ute</b><b style="color:#00A300">st</b><b style="color:#0A47FF">Penguin</b><sup style="font-size:50%">Hangout 06:16, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have moved the article to National Cyber Coordination Centre; re-written the lede para; and removed some redflag claims. But the article is still in poor shape. For example it is not clear if the body has even been formally established yet, and in any case the draft needs a heavy dose of copy-editing.
 * You too mentioned some concerns. I couldn't locate your AFC comments (didn't know where to look, frankly :) ). Could you take another look at the current version? Abecedare (talk) 10:46, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I had similar concerns, I had purged nearly 20kb, and 30 references and failed the review after this comment: diff, it is in a better shape now and clears the limited requirements of an AFC. Your trimming was essential and a clear improvement. I am inclined to not get further involved in it. --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 16:58, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Third opinion requested in discussion on definitions of indo-Canadians
Wikipedia_talk:Canadian_Wikipedians'_notice_board.

A third opinion is being requested on this thread. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:33, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Third opinion rendered. AshLin (talk) 21:36, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I asked a question about it, and I would like some clarification. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:01, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * That clarification given too. AshLin (talk) 14:13, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Sound familiar?
There's a sockmaster who typically hurls casual insults at the British for their activities in India. Anyone know who I'm talking about? If so, please give me a pointer. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 21:05, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, which articles are being targetted at the moment? AshLin (talk) 17:29, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Seems to have an issue with Fowler&fowler and is busy on Talk:Ganges. --regentspark (comment) 18:02, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's Ganges. The phrase "the bloody British socially engineered" sounds familiar. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 19:43, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Anandabazar Patrika
Anandabazar Patrika is a the most circulated Bengali newspaper published since 1922 and has a sister newspaper called The Telegraph (Calcutta).I have started a discussion in the Is the Anandabazar Patrika RS  .As this a Bengali newspaper hence posting here would like Indian Wikipedians  particularly those who know Bengali to comment either way.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:03, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Dalal group
Is Dalal Group (owner of Bombay Swadeshi Stores) a significant company in India? There is a new article about the company CEO, Milan Bupendra Dalal. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:10, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

INCOTM for Nov & Dec 2014
Please nominate an article for the next month's collaboration of the month(COTM) ie for November & December 2014. You can nominate it on the nominations page.

We request all editors of this WikiProject and others to please make at least three edits each, so that we have a substantial improvement in the selected article. I trust none of us will find three edits too difficult over a period of a month. :) Of course, we'd love to to have lots & lots more & awards are given to the top editors of INCOTM (WikiProject India Collaboration of the Month).

AshLin (talk) 06:30, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Updated WP:INCOTMNOM and nominated one. --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 06:55, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 19:52, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Offtopic - Blog on WikiProject India
Hello friends, I've started a blog on Tumblr (more to learn about that platform), and I have chosen the blog to be on Wikipedia concerns & issues. Please find it here. There are three posts concerning WikiProject India.

AshLin (talk) 17:03, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

WP:INCOTM
Please vote for one choice for WP:INCOTM for December 2014. We have had balanced voting for the choices & a front-runner is not emerging. AshLin (talk) 10:02, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Andhra Pradesh and Telangana categories
As we know, the state of Andhra Pradesh was bifurcated, and one of the new states is again called "Andhra Pradesh". So, we have two meanings for "Andhra Pradesh". If we have a category such as "Lok Sabha members from Andhra Pradesh", it isn't clear which "Andhra Pradesh" is being meant. Given that the name "Telangana" has existed for a long time, even if it wasn't the name of a State, it seems it would be ok to categorise people by the present day "Andhra Pradesh" and "Telangana". Any thoughts? Kautilya3 (talk) 13:27, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Important task. Going to be difficult & messy no matter what, Better to prioritise & move slowly but steadily. Look for Telanagana articles first & shift them. The remainder (theoretically at least) should be present day Andhra Pradesh. AshLin (talk) 16:24, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Revive WP:INCOTM?
Hey guys, should we consider restarting Indian Collaboration of the Month? Please add a support/oppose comment so that one can judge whether we go ahead with it or nt? AshLin (talk) 07:23, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Support   why not? --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 07:59, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Support Arunram (talk) 10:09, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Support --Vishnu (talk) 19:11, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Support --Rohit (talk) 21:37, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Indus Valley and other archaeology image files
Greetings, friends,

Ancient Asia is the official continuous publication journal of the Society of South Asian Archaeology (SOSAA). http://www.ancient-asia-journal.com/

This journal is licensed under CC-BY (Attribution), which means it's free content (I think). There's a lot of material there, including excellent archaeology illustrations which currently are not available in Wikipedia. Such as in this article,

Tejas Garge, Sothi-Siswal Ceramic Assemblage: A Reappraisal. http://www.ancient-asia-journal.com/article/view/aa.10203/35

So my question is for knowledgeable people, Is it possible to transfer those images and material to Wikimedia and/or Wikipedia? And what is the best way to do it?

Thank you. Y-barton (talk) 03:10, 3 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Most of their images seem to be non-CC ("Image courtesy of Harappa Archaeological Research Project/Harappa.com" etc.) utcursch | talk 16:47, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * User:Utcursch is right that we'll need to look at the credits/captions for individual images. That should still allow us to get quite a few images for use on-wiki though.
 * Aside: Btw, even on a quick browse I found a few typos in their published papers and the journal contains quite a few articles authored by its editors. Nothing definitive, but those along with the fact that the publisher charges authors a publication fee, are warning flags and we would need to double-check the reliability of the journal (by seeing if they are indexed; how often and who cites their articles etc) before using it as a source. Abecedare (talk) 17:42, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Dear friends, thank you for your clarifications. I didn't realize that some of these images are non-CC. Nevertheless, most of them seem to be CC, and can thus be useful. Y-barton (talk) 03:07, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Gangadhar Nehru
Please watch for Gangadhar Nehru (Jawaharlal Nehru's grandfather). Some wants to get published he was a muslim who lived under a Hindu name. Please keep in watch. Snowcream (talk) 13:25, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Added to watchlist. Improved the refs. Added details of daughters. AshLin (talk) 14:52, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Wondering if the article should even exist as a non-redirect. As far as I can see,it doesn't contain anything substantial that is not in the Motilal Nehru article, and as is oft said on AFDs notability is not inherited. Should we just redirect the page to Motilal Nehru, who is Gandadhar's sole link to notability? Abecedare (talk) 15:25, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd keep it. Chief of police of Delhi (even though Delhi was a backwater in the declining days of the Mughal Empire) is notable enough (assuming it is properly verified). --regentspark (comment) 15:30, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ I am watching Gangadhar Nehru. — <b style="color:#D60047">C</b><b style="color:#F0A000">ute</b><b style="color:#00A300">st</b><b style="color:#0A47FF">Penguin</b><sup style="font-size:50%">Hangout 16:27, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Ganga Sahai Sharma
If what this article about a 19th century Sanskrit scholar and administrator says is true, the subject is probably notable, but it is unsourced and has been PRODded as a hoax. I can find no trace of his "widely acclaimed" work Anvitaath Prakashika which is said to be "available in all Sanskrit departments around the world" - it is not in Worldcat, though there might be transliteration problems, and Google search for the title finds only WP mirrors (the article has been here since 2008, so the information, or disinformation, has spread widely). There are books in Worldcat by an author of the same name, but none of the titles agree, and they seem too modern - there are living persons with this name, including an MLA. Any ideas? JohnCD (talk) 21:21, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I guessed the title had a typo. Here is the right book . Here are some mentions of the Pandit: . "Ganga Sahai" and "Bundi" show up hits like these: .  I also get some hits for "Rai Bahadur Ganga Sahay."  Can't say if it is the same man. Kautilya3 (talk) 23:10, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Not a hoax - the guy was dewan of Bundi State. Added some refs. Also, moved to Ganga Sahai, since none of the refs mention "Sharma" as part of his name. utcursch | talk 20:12, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Latest about India in the SignPost dated 12 November 2014
There's some great news in this week's SignPost about India -
 * Chandralekha (1948 film) has been made an FA. Heartiest congrats to and the Tamil Nadu & Cinema subgroups of WikiProject India.
 * We have three featured pictures, congrats to, &.
 * File:Taj Mahal (Edited).jpeg by Yann, edited by Jim Cartar
 * File:Bangles Ornaments.jpg by Muhammad Mahdi Karim
 * File:Red Weaver Ant, Oecophylla smaragdina.jpg by Muhammad Mahdi Karim

Hey guys, be sure to notify the community whenever you nominate articles for GA/FA so that we can pitch in to help or when images are nominated for FP on Commons. AshLin (talk) 06:25, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Really great news! Congrats & ! Thanks  for noticing this.   Jim Car ter  09:59, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I nominated Featured picture candidates/Nilgais fighting, and I have some more nominations in the pipe. Regards, Yann (talk) 15:51, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Congrats, ! Appreciate that  and ! --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 07:16, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Sarabjit Roy
Sarbajit Roy is facing RfD, but IMO, the subject has independent notability, at the minimum an AfD is warranted, I wish more eyeballs for the issue. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 06:42, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Aside from being not notable enough, the subject belongs to an organisation trolling & threatening WikiProject India users both online & irl. AshLin (talk) 12:54, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * That would not be relevant because we can't censor ourselves. We have articles, for example, for Wikipedia Review. - Sitush (talk) 12:58, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Input needed at Bhargava article
There is a dispute involving myself and some new-ish contributors at the Bhargava article regarding focus of the content. Thoughts welcome at Talk:Bhargava. - Sitush (talk) 15:43, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Dhianpur
Hello, India experts. I came across this article while checking out an old draft which I deleted as a copyright violation. I had to delete most of this article for the same reason. Perhaps someone here could check what's left to make sure that I haven't introduced something incorrect. Thanks! &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 11:59, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, ; I see that you have fixed up the text. What was there wasn't very informative; your text is much better. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 14:16, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * . A little tender loving care for the orphan. :) AshLin (talk) 14:26, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Templates - India/WikiProject India
VasuVR wrote...


 * Importantly the WP:IND statistics seem to be a problem too. I see "Template" statistics at some measly 30, while Category:Template-Class India articles has more than 3550 templates.


 * The problem is historic & if I have understood correctly, predates the creation of the WikiProject India. This is the baggage of the legacy project page (WP:IN & not WP:INDIA) & the legacy noticeboards.
 * I would initially add the WikiProject India banner template to each of those 3550 templates using AWB & depopulate the category Category:Template-Class India articles subsequently.
 * Close in detailed work would be required to move the daughter categories & rename them & change the template on their daughter articles. This will be messy.
 * AshLin (talk) 02:10, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * AshLin. I am a bit confused here. This category Template-Class India articles is Auto-populated when Template:WP India is inserted to the talk page. This is the main method of population of this category. So, problem is elsewhere. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 02:16, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * More comments - to be specific. WP India is already on the talk pages of these templates. That is how we have 3550 number in the category! It is not legacy stuff. I think problem is in tool-server OR introduced while creating football in India sub-project. The reason I say that is what I found in the User:WP 1.0 bot's sub page for India's statistics having football in India as the pointer for Template row. Everything else was OK. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 02:21, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * , I do rememeber that to my untrained mind, during the last Tag & Assess, the code of some of these WikiProject India subgroups & templates was a mare's nest. Please resolve it to the best of your abilities. I cant. AshLin (talk) 03:07, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Taken it to the bot - User:WP 1.0 bot - and hope they will be able to resolve. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 04:34, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * they have fixed the WMF Labs / bot issue. Hopefully we should have accurate status henceforth. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 01:08, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * , that is good news! Lets hope that happens, AshLin (talk) 02:27, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Is this similar: Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_131? --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 09:07, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


 * from what I have seen, the problem you have mentioned seems to indicate a different problem. What I had noticed was only for Templates row, while rest of the rows, counts and links were fine (except the bot had not run since 12th June or something; that is counts were old). Now the update has run from 16th November.
 * The root of the problem for what I observed was wrong categorization of Football in India related banner category(ies). This seems to have been fixed after I raised it to them (they said by categorizing the proper way it would be fixed).
 * I have now checked that the counts are proper and pointing to correct categories for Templates (earlier showed 30 or so, now showing 3500+).
 * Hope this clarifies. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 09:43, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This is a great achievement, guys! We got the statistics going again :D AshLin (talk) 11:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


 * We celebrated too soon. I guess it has not re-run after that last update, where Template counts got fixed. I will wait for a day or two and then request for at least a weekly automated run. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 14:41, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Nominations for Wiki-Level 4 Vital Articles
Hi,

This is a currently incomplete list of 10,000 subjects for which Wikipedia should ultimately have high-quality articles. It expands on Wikipedia:Vital articles, which lists 1000 articles. This list is in the process of being refined and prioritized on the basis of topic-by-topic discussion and voting. You are encouraged to participate in suggestion or in voting. I have suggested some articles there Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Expanded, Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Expanded, Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Expanded and Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Expanded. If you think these fall in the category of vital articles, vote there. Logical1004 (talk) 03:55, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Imho, this piecemeal suggestion of individual articles skews the process. When I did some work with Offline Wikipedia for Indian Schools, the best way was to consider the scope of a topic, check out what was there & wasn't & attempt to add the most important or representative articles. Frankly in my personal opinion, none of the above merit to the Global 10,000, keeping in mind that India's share would not exceed a few hundreds a most. AshLin (talk) 14:55, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Kargil War
Need some attention on Kargil war, especially since the addition of this dubious puffery,, that I highly doubt, unnecessary commentaries are being added to the infobox. However, we have far more reliable source to describe the result as an Indian victory, I preferred a neutral result parameter, remained until the last week.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 17:14, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * , a number of issues arising from examining the article after reading your comments above :
 * I agree that the referenced fact of the uncaptured areas still in possession of Pakistan should find not place in the info box but it should find place in the main text, for reasons of objectivity.
 * You need to replace your reference for your "status quo ante bellum" which is imho not a reliable source, because:
 * the outcome of the war is not discussed but a background fact for the socialist commentary.
 * the article being an op ed by a militarily non-notable author
 * the article being primarily about Pakistani politics and economics post-Kargil,
 * in a avowed leftist website,
 * far too soon after the conflict to be a post-incident scholarly analysis.
 * your key assertion of "restoring status quo ante bellum" cannot be inferred from the article, in fact the article talks about Indian military victory & Pakistani withdrawal but nothing about territorial claims.
 * the "restoration of status quo" is not NPOV but inaccurate. Rather than talk in terms of military victory, defeat, status quo - it should mention stealthy Pakistani capture of posts across the LOC, followed by recapture of large areas by India and Pakistan's unilateral withdrawal at the instance of the USA.
 * AshLin (talk) 15:16, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Sharad_Pawar
This needs work and someone more familiar can probably bring it closer to acceptable more quickly than me.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  19:29, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Reliability of M S Naravane
Rajputs of Rajputana is a book by M. S. Naravane. He appears to be an amateur historian who took up writing after retiring from his job as a doctor of medicine. Reliable for history? - Sitush (talk) 05:07, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * More of a travelogue/guide book than a WP:HISTRS source. May be useful to get a lay of the land on the subject and pointers to what sources/claims to explore, but I certainly would not recommend using it as a source for historical facts. Should be perfectly ok for "X has N doors and overlooks Y lake" type of non-contentious claims, which an honest amateur can be trusted to get right. Abecedare (talk) 06:29, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * If you see the index, this book has topical themes, such as Geography, Social ethos (includes chapters on cultural motifs such as marriage, purdah, food, food, religion, festivals etc), Political ethos, Military ethos & select Forts. A wide variety of general facts can probably be sourced. However, as pointed out by Abcedare, for specific historical facts & contentious issues this would not be a suitable source and more academic sources would be needed. I like the fact that the author has made some kind of effort at footnotes and a little sourcing. Usually these are conspicuous by their absence. AshLin (talk) 13:59, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I just re-read my comment above, and realized that the last sentence comes across as pretty high-handed and dismissive. I didn't intend it that way. So to expand and explain my actual impression: I read a couple of sections in the book (specifically on Sati (pages 42-44), and on Rajput clans (pages 19-24)) and in both cases I thought Naravane did a fair job of covering the breadth of theories that have been proposed in the fields, and provided some useful citations (including to Dasharatha Sharma's Rajasthan through the ages, which while imperfect, should be a definite improvement over the oft-cited James Tod). It is a reasonable and highly readable birds-eye-view of Rajasthan's history, society, and culture.
 * On the flip side, there is little effort in Naravane's book to critically weigh these ideas or evaluate their credibility, as an academic work on either subjects would do; and given the scope, objective, and intended audience for the book, it would be perhaps unfair to expect it to do so either. Hence my conclusion: for contentious claims, don't cite the book itself, but use it to find sources and see if there are claims not covered in the wikipedia article, and for which reliable sources can be found. Abecedare (talk) 20:09, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Project page for Tag & Assess 2014 created
The project page for Tag & Assess 2014 has been created. Please visit, all those interested in helping us reduce the backlog! AshLin (talk) 15:33, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Awesome work! --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 06:07, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) AshLin (talk) 09:11, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Bejoy Nambiar
I came across this article on Nambiar with the intention of nominating it for deletion, but then I noticed that almost all of his movies have substantial Wikipedia articles. I cannot find any sources for the Nambiar article (other than name-drops or brief interviews), but am I just missing something? I find it hard to believe that a (seemingly) very popular director wouldn't have more media coverage. Since I am not a content expert on things Indian, I thought I would bring it to your attention so that the article can be improved (or, if necessary, deleted). Thanks, Primefac (talk) 17:16, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

User:D-K-Nair/Dileep K Nair
This is an autobiographical page which was tagged for WP:CSD deletion, but a little searching found his name as "Chairman Sponsoring Body and Chancellor" here. This "North East Frontier Technical University" seems to be real, if very new, suggesting that he is in fact notable. So I have userfied the page and advised him on User talk:D-K-Nair that it needs references and to be rewritten in a less promotional tone. It may be that someone familiar with the Indian scene could help in finding references and sorting out the article. JohnCD (talk) 16:55, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm going to go over to India one day and set up one of these tuppence-ha'penny "universities" just so I can have an article here. Our notability standards really are very poor sometimes. - Sitush (talk) 16:57, 22 November 2014 (UTC)


 * agree with you on the notability standards. Though this encyclopedia was supposed to be sum of all knowledge, in many cases it is getting to be more of trivia. Of course it is not for me to draw the line, just that in my opinion the line has to be higher. So much of advertisement like articles, promotional stuff, peacock terms - I wonder when will they change - maybe when more people say Oh, Wikipedia is all that self-propagandizing encyclopedia, than those who use it for genuine knowledge. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 17:21, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Assess & Tag 2014 - Small backlog. Let's clear it.
WikiProject India editors can justly feel proud of the fact that in 2012, they successfully carried out the world's largest Assess & Tag drive. I've written a little about it here. 54 participants edited a total of 84,274 articles have been assessed over a period of three months. That was so awesome & kewl & best of all, we hardly needed to advertise it. :)

Now we have a backlog of approx 3,800 articles for assessment. A few users such as have been at it and doing a great job. It'd be really good if the community pitches in & helps complete the relatively small backlog.

'''Barnstars for those who assess & tag over 100 articles from this moment onwards (2000h, 15 November 2014 IST). Use "Tag & assess 2014" in the edit summary.'''

Our drive ends when unassessed articles of all types are zero.

If you are joining the show, add your name below.

Find unassessed articles here & here.

Also we are looking for a volunteer coordinator for this task. Any takers? Its a great chance for an editor to contribute & gain notice amongst the community. :) AshLin (talk) 14:24, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Participants
Please add your names here.

All the best folks! :) AshLin (talk) 14:24, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Volunteers for Drive Coordinator
Please add your name below—
 * AshLin is still officating, one user volunteered under mistake impression, folks we STILL need a volunteer coordinator.
 * Great news, has volunteered & is now the coordinator. I'll always be there to help you, Ugog. :) AshLin (talk) 04:29, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Comments by VasuVR

 * Good initiative, AshLin. As usual, I dig a little bit and hit a wall of problems that we have to address (and some quickly). Here are some:
 * Sometimes people seem to create recursive parent-child categories. For example, before my edits, Chandigarh -> Cities and towns in Chandigarh -> Cities and towns in Chandigarh District -> Chandigarh caused infinite loop! This is not allowed in Wikipedia (see WP:Categorization).
 * People over-sub-categorize categories into multiple parent categories. They don't seem to have read about the categorization guidelines.
 * Importantly the WP:IND statistics seem to be a problem too. I see "Template" statistics at some measly 30, while Category:Template-Class India articles has more than 3550 templates.
 * Even "Toolserver" seems to be wrong (it shows 43 pages and they are from Football group - something MORE basic could be wrong that someone who helped setup "football in India" project has made some mistake(s) )!!!
 * On similar point, the "Template" link on the statistics had been switched to "football in India" sub-category! That is instead of "Template-class India articles", it was pointing to "Template-class football in India articles". I have made an edit (see my contribution history) and wonder if the Bot will take my edit into account. Don't know about mistake mentioned in previous point.


 * The reason I looked into the above is that I use automation of lists and List comparer (of AWB) and/or Excel features to figure out articles of interest to Indian Wikipedians, which have not yet been tagged with WP India template. I had done this in 2012 as well (talk has history, along with exchange with coordinator). The automation would be thrown off by bad job of categorization due to infinite loops of categories, etc.


 * Hope experienced admins in WP India group would jump in to address some of the above issues.


 * Will keep you all updated on further findings.
 * VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 17:55, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Comments by Titodutta

 * Many pages are just redirects.
 * Remove templates from redirect pages. We need to look after real articles, not redirects.AshLin (talk) 11:44, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * AshLin, Disagree on this. We should tag as Redirect. See Category:Redirect-Class India articles. Redirects are important part of Wikipedia as they capture alternate names and need to be maintained. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 12:32, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree with your point of view AshLin (talk) 12:41, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * have a query where one may already have a redirect of the talk page going to the talk of redirect of original article. In that case it cannot have both a redirect to the other talk, as well as a WP India banner. Or is there some other mechanism for this scenario - "redirect + banner" on the talk? That is to say if Sooper is redirect to Super and Talk:Sooper is redirected Talk:Super, then can Talk:Sooper ALSO have WP India banner? VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 14:38, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * when the article is moved and the talk is also redirected to article talk. In such a case, we may choose not to tag. If there any wikipolicy for this... Not sure. However whenever a talk exists, we need to tag with WP India if applicable. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 10:32, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Assessment bar not working & other issues

 * Assessment bar is not loading.
 * Please approach User:YuviPanda. AshLin (talk) 11:44, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Same problem. Can this be remedied. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 10:32, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Have sent FB message & email to YuviPanda. Only he can resolve this, AshLin (talk) 13:59, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * has replied. he'll be working on the problem this weekend. AshLin (talk) 02:13, 22 November 2014 (UTC)


 * How to track assessed articles?
 * Through the article summary table or WikiProject India categories as per class & importance. AshLin (talk) 11:44, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Tito ☸ Dutta 06:09, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I meant, do I need to maintain a list f my assessed articles or it'll be done automatically? -- Tito ☸ Dutta 12:45, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Nothing automatic here. Count it yourself from your contribs. AshLin (talk) 13:59, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Gidugu Venkata Ramamoorty
Require some assistance with this article. An admin just removed notability concerning tag from there, but it is mostly unsourced and written like an opinion. నిజానికి (talk) 16:53, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Anyone? నిజానికి (talk) 06:21, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

List of wars involving Pakistan
Seems like there is edit war over the summaries of war.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 06:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem like it, you definitely refueled one. Stop going to obscure articles to push POV when you can't get a consensus at the main article. It was just settled at Kargil war. -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 06:43, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I would've replied quicker, but I just checked this. Whether the change is correct or not, numerous reverts can be considered as edit war. You should recall that during the content dispute on Kargil War, I only wanted the extraordinary summaries that were added under the "Results" to be removed. Other editor had objected the changes of Kashmiri, who included the results parameter as "Status quo", although I never did. I eventually liked the idea of other user who had recently participated on this lists article because we had also linked to the "aftermath" section on the main article. I am marking above as resolved, since we have moved to other subject, but you may want to review/redact your statement above about the consensus on Kargil War, as the current "result" parameter on the main page was completely unpredictable, it was only Kashmiri who had came up with it. I was neither saying that it was a victory or defeat, for both Pakistan and India.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:14, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Our dispute is resolved, I know what editwar is and that's why you should have followed WP:BRD after you were reverted on your first edit. If you are the one reverting first and the other editor equally wants to object to your revert, you will by default reach 3RR and still not have your version in... so BRD was for you first and me to attempt to discuss (which I did - hope it appeals to your sense of logic). It does not make sense for a list to state something different than the article. Lists shouldn't be dispute points on such facts. Anyway, we resolved it so forget it. -- <b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b> (<b style="color:#000">talk</b>) 08:19, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Can anyone assist with advising a new editor?
has been creating articles on Indian films and at least one case a director, that consist only of infoboxes. As a result they are being nominated for speedy deletion. From his lack of edit summaries and talk page edits, I suspect he may not feel comfortable communicating in English, but he has also edited the Kannada Wikipedia. Could someone conversant with that language please ask him to put at least one line of text in all his articles? It would also be useful if he would link them to the corresponding Kannada Wikipedia articles using Wikidata; I was able to do that with two; but the lack of text is the urgent problem. Thanks! Yngvadottir (talk) 16:51, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Collaborations of the month -- 2014 December: Languages of India
I will be closing the discussion on the page WikiProject_India/Collaborations_of_the_month/Nominations/2014_December tomorrow. As of now we have selected Languages of India, so lets collaborate to make it crisp & well-referenced! --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 05:57, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I've removed the "historical" notice on top of main WikiProject India/Collaborations of the month, I first thought it was still inactive because of that. Why don't you update that page (the "current collaborations" section) as well? -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:08, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * , great work. Thanks for helping out. Health issues preventing me from participating more. AshLin (talk) 15:21, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * we already saw fifteen editors get involved in this, our article for this month is ! Lets improve it and take it to GA standard! --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 04:07, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Categorization - infinite loop
When I traverse some categories, I keep finding some infinite loops. Those are not allowed as per Subcategorization, where it is stated ' Category chains formed by parent-child relationships should never form closed loops; that is, no category should be contained as a subcategory of one of its own subcategories '. Here are examples, which I am not able to resolve.


 * Category:Tamil Nadu -> Category:Languages of Tamil Nadu‎ -> Category:Tamil language‎ -> Category:Tamil-speaking countries and territories‎ -> Category:Tamil Nadu.
 * Category:Sri Lanka -> Category:Sri Lankan society‎ -> Category:Sri Lankan culture‎ -> Category:Languages of Sri Lanka‎ -> Category:Tamil language‎ -> Category:Tamil-speaking countries and territories‎ -> Category:Sri Lanka.

Maybe an expert or admin from Tamil Nadu can help here. VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 13:16, 1 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I have attempted to fix this by breaking the chain at Category:Tamil-speaking countries and territories and Category:Languages of Sri Lanka. I am not an admin nor an expert, have stayed in Tamil Nadu for some years and understand little Tamil (I don't think that makes me any more or less equipped in this edit). --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 15:04, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * This problem is not unique to Tamil of course. What other similar categories are doing (say Category:United Kingdom or Category:France) is that they don't make the languages a subcategory of the country/territory.  That is one way of solving the problem.  Kautilya3 (talk) 00:40, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Assistance with an article?
I need some serious assistance with an article, Navin Raheja. Long story short, one of the two main editors involved with the article came onto BLP/N to ask for assistance with the other editor adding a bunch of negative material to the article. I do believe that it was being used as an attack page against Raheja, if I can be so blunt, but I also noticed that the other editor was writing in an extremely, extremely promotional tone to the point where it would have been speedyable as unambiguous promotion. I'd say that it's extremely, extremely likely that they were brought in to do damage control for the company, as seen by this edit. I seem to have been the only editor from BLP/N that came into this scenario and despite going back and asking for assistance, nobody has really responded and I'm kind of feeling like I'm being used as a weapon in this. I've been told that the negative material only concerns Raheja's business (Raheja Developers Limited) and that it should be removed, but this leaves the article with only three usable sources. Two discuss him getting a position at NAREDCO and the third may be usable, but it also relies heavily on his notability in regards to the company. I don't really see where his position at NAREDCO is all that notable to where it'd be kept on that basis alone and I'm kind of resistant to the idea that any negative coverage Raheja has received in relation to his company should be removed since it pertains to the company. In any case, I'd like some more eyes to look for sources just in case and if there isn't anything else and the guy isn't independently notable outside of his company, that I do have some backup in suggesting a redirect to the company's article. I'd prefer to not take this through AfD if possible, but I'm slightly afraid that this will become an option since I'm doubtful that anyone will agree to a redirect. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   15:11, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm honestly not sure where else to take this- it's almost at ANI level, but I'd prefer to avoid that if possible. 3O is an option, but it's almost a little past that point. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   15:44, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah... I've taken this to ANI- it's not quite there yet but it's gearing up like it's guaranteed to go that way eventually. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   15:44, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the much-delayed response, but in any case the solution that you and User:Sitush arrived at, to redirect the biography to Raheja Developers, was certainly the right one. In fact, perhaps Nayan Raheja shoule be redirected to the company page too since Raheja Productions does not seem notable enough yet, and the wildlife-photography seems to be just a hobby (and not a source of notability per se). Thoughts? Abecedare (talk) 15:58, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I ended up redirecting it, although I'm getting a little flack on my talk page for it. I think that given the entire scenario, that seems to be the best option here. I may take it to AfD if more than one person were to complain, but I'd rather not since I think that the end result would still be the same and it'd be a bit of bureaucracy for bureaucracy's sake. Thanks! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   05:08, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Prashant Bhushan
Is anyone prepared to weigh in at Talk:Prashant_Bhushan? - Sitush (talk) 01:17, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Move request
See Talk:Rakhaldas Bandyopadhyay, suggested move is to R. D. Banerji. Dougweller (talk) 19:41, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Project counts (transferred from Tag & Assess 2014 talk page)
Hi all,

India project counts template has been updated - maintained by WP 1.0 bot. Finally the wmflabs group has fixed the problem. We also hope the automatic updates will run every day.

VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 03:09, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Deepak Tijori
Tijori's daughter was abducted in 2009. The incident received a lot of media coverage at that time. Is it appropriate to add that info in Tijori's article. It was removed by a user recently. Thanks.--Skr15081997 (talk) 10:26, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It seems the case of Inherent notability but still it is fair to keep it as per Notability (events). — <b style="color:#D60047">C</b><b style="color:#F0A000">ute</b><b style="color:#00A300">st</b><b style="color:#0A47FF">Penguin</b><sup style="font-size:50%">Hangout 15:48, 6 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia's notability guidelines concern when a separate article on a subject is justified, and are not relevant in this instance, since the question is whether the kidnapping incident should be mentioned with an existing article.
 * Since the event does not concern the subject (ie Deepak Tijori) directly and moreover relates to a minor and is possibly sub-judice the incident should (at best) be mentioned briefly and very conservatively i the Deepak Tijori article. Along the lines of, "In May 2009, Tijori's then 13 year old daughter was kidnapped for a few hours. Based on her testimony, a suspect was arrested and charged for the crime." Also check if there are more recent sources detailing the final outcome of the case; if there are the second sentence can be updated accordingly. Abecedare (talk) 19:34, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree with Abecedare. The incident is notable to be included and should to curtained to 1-2 sentences to avoid WP:UNDUE. Redtigerxyz  Talk 09:41, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * thanks for your suggestions. I have added the info.--Skr15081997 (talk) 10:56, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

List of political parties in India inclusion criteria
Long story short, India has about 1600 registered but unrecognised parties, of which, only 30 random ones are mentioned in List of political parties in India. I'm wondering whether all 1600 warrant inclusion or not? I've checked various "List of political parties in x country" pages but couldn't find anything consistently followed. Note that there are also six national parties and 57 state parties. Anyone interested can join at Talk:List of political parties in India. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:00, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Fictional flags RFC at Flags of Tamils article talk page
This Request for Comments may of interest of regular editors at this noticeboard. (Please add any comments at the RFC and not duplicate the discussion here.) Abecedare (talk) 23:26, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Long term use of a fake reference and POV pushing on 2 pages
More eyes needed on these two pages. There has been a long term usage of a fake references for claiming "Pakistani victory", by a particular user for months on pages like Battle of Chawinda and Indo-Pakistani wars and conflicts. Also using a WP:PRIMARY source for claiming Pakistani victory.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 06:46, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Replied on talk page of the article. More eyes are welcome. --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 08:57, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

AFD Saffron Terror
Hi guys, I think the subject is related to india, and I have put it to AFD, please contribute here Shrikanthv (talk) 12:12, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

INCOTM - Where's the collaboration?
Indian Collaboration of the Month has NOT taken off! Languages of India has improved greatly but there have been hardly any edits by editors other than RSrikanth05 & myself. Finally guys, its not all about the article improving, which it has, but about Collaboration in the community. I request each editor who reads this to do at least one edit please.

How?
 * Find an important fact not included (with reference) & add it. OR
 * Many references are poorly expanded. You can improve one of these or more. OR
 * Many sections are still under-developed. How about adding a referenced fact there?. OR
 * Add a meaningful image. OR
 * Any which way you want!

We need you, the common editor to participate, especially if you have never edited in INCOTM before :). Feel free to approach me for any queries, no matter how simple or stupid you may feel they are.

Those who cared enough to vote in the choice, whether for this article or Sanskrit - Surely, you can add at least 5 meaningful edits! C'mon guys! ,, , , , , , , , , , , ,.

Chak de! WikiProject India!

AshLin (talk) 14:17, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Yay! There is lot of scope for improvement, made 17 edits from 1st Dec. Prominent languages of India needs expansion and we need lots of reference Teeth.png. --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 15:05, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Goa
Can some experienced editors take a look at the recent history of the article? and have been busy edit-warring over something, that I cannot look into at the moment; both are well past 3RR. Pinging (two names I recognize from the recent article history.) Abecedare (talk) 14:23, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

The Treaty: The Treaty signed between Portugal & India on March 14, 1975 acknowledges the full sovereignty of India on the territories of Goa, Daman, Diu, Dadra & Nagar Haveli effective from the date these territories became part of India under the Constitution of India.

Signed : March 14, 1975

Yeshwantrao Chavan                                                                        Mario Soares Foreign Minister                                                                                     Foreign Minister India                                                                                                         Portugal

courtesy: United Nations Treaty series 1975: Vol: 982, pg: 159 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Portugal Editor Exploration (talk • contribs) 14:27, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * you have been blocked twice before for your edit warring there. i dont know what the above is supposed to be, but if you continue edit warring it is likely that the next block will be permanent. discuss and achieve consensus on the talk page based on what the third parties have written about the subject NOT your interpretation of letters and treaties. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  14:40, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I have reported the edit-warriors to the 3RR board, and expect them to be blocked soon. Leaving aside the disruption, can someone review the content issue and see which version of the page is preferable, and if any of the changes are worth retaining. (Thanks RedPen, AshLin and Ugog for your quick response and efforts to resolve the issue without blocks.)Abecedare (talk) 14:59, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I have restored Goa to oldid 635204803 due to edit-warring. The two edit-warring users were warned on article talk page to get consensus for any disputed text on that page. Other uncontroversial info removed by this reverting may be added back carefully & with discretion. Any controversial edits will result in blocks being asked for the edit-warring editor (s). User:Abecedare, I think this answers your query. AshLin (talk) 15:20, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Assessing redirects for importance
Should we be assessing importance for redirects? If yes, should the importance be identical to the target? AshLin (talk) 07:31, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Fowler&fowler, care to enlighten me? AshLin (talk) 15:23, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Is this article notable?
Half Girlfriend (film). I'm not sure what the notability criteria for films are, but it doesn't seem to be notable. 117.216.146.145 (talk) 09:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Sharabha
There is a dispute at Sharabha (a form of the Hindu god Shiva) about inclusion about referenced passages. Please comment and help to arrive at a consensus. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 11:31, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Article at AfD
See Articles for deletion/List of General Caste in Sikhism. A non-admin closed it but I asked them to revert pending an admin turning up. - Sitush (talk) 09:46, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

GSBs
I'm 99% sure that Gowda Saraswat Brahmin is the same subject matter as Goud Saraswat Brahmin. The article needs some huge changes regardless but if we can ascertain the synonymity then I'll just delete all of the unsourced material and merge. Perhaps some admin here could also advise whether this would need the dread history merge? - Sitush (talk) 14:12, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * In its state, Gowda Saraswat Brahmin is a mess, it copies verbatim WP:UNDUE info from various articles like Sarasvati River. The article stated as the article Gowda, then someone added info about GSBs in it. In Jan 2013, Gowda was moved to Gowda Saraswat Brahmin and then Gowda was built as a separate article. Gowda Saraswat Brahmin is a alternate spelling of Goud Saraswat Brahmin and should redirect to the latter. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 15:51, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, Gowda is an alternate spelling of Gouda. -sarvajna (talk) 15:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, both. I've pruned it drastically, then merged and redirected. Left a diff to this thread on the talk page. - Sitush (talk) 16:33, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Sarasawti River and IVC
Any comments on these edits? Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 19:05, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Three words of content added and a ton of weak reference. Not entirely made up though, better sources may be around, it is an active field of research. No study to explicitly contradict it. --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 19:29, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Quick comment: The sourcing is too weak to sustain the material. IMO, unless sources are found that show that the scholarly consensus has changed, the dispute/uncertainty should be addressed in the Saraswati River article, while the other articles should stick with the Ghaggar-Hakra River terminology instead of getting into the tangential debate. See also the newly created Brahmavarta article, which too faces issue of mixing up history and mythology. Abecedare (talk) 19:39, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I've removed some stuff there that was terribly sourced. Is the Sudhir Bhargava mentioned in the source I removed (Sudhir Bhargava, Location of Brahmavarta and Drishadwati River is important to find the earliest alignment of Saraswati River,Saraswati River-a perspective, International Conference, November 20-22, 2009, Kurukshetra University, Kurukshetra, organised by Saraswati Shodh Sansthan-Haryana) the Minister? If so, looks political as well. And see at Drsadvati_River, an edit which was reinstated after being reverted as OR. Dougweller (talk) 21:50, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I've begun a complete rewrite of the Brahmavarta article. It isn't a subject about which I know much but I'm having a go at it. Sudhir Bhargava also appears to have significantly influenced the Dhosi Hill article, although I've pruned a fair bit of that. - Sitush (talk) 13:28, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Most of it was copyvio added in 2012 from. Dougweller (talk) 19:22, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

War outcome related article needs expert view
An RFC is here ,the article is about an outcome of a war would request comments from experts in this field Shrikanthv (talk) 11:05, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I am an active wikipedian and wish to attend this celebration. As noted here please comment to show your support towards my scholarship, thank you! --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 03:06, 2 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Support. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 08:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I support AP's nomination as well. He has been a great asset as a Wiki editor. --Sdmarathe (talk) 03:41, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I support AmritasyaPutra nomination, all the best -sarvajna (talk) 12:58, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. BengaliHindu (talk) 21:04, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. - Jayanta Nath (Talk|Contrb) 13:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. -- AshLin (talk) 13:52, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support - Sitush (talk) 01:18, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:43, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support --regentspark (comment) 17:46, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Ditto. Abecedare (talk) 19:36, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * If Support is what you need, you have mine. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 05:52, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I am a Bengali speaking Wikipedian based out of Delhi. I too would like to attend the Conference. Have attended the WikiConference Mumbai 2011 and presented a paper. Thereafter tried attending the International ones in the following years, and the best I could achieve was being on the Waitlist for the 2013 Conf. Truly speaking, of late I have not been too active, but a few of the regular Wikipedians might remember me from the past. Kindly support my candidature. -- undefinedDebashisM  Talk 15:25, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Support. I have visited your user page before. It would be good to have you at the Kolkata meet, and perhaps it will motivate you back into active editing. --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 16:08, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:43, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support --regentspark (comment) 17:46, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Ditto. Abecedare (talk) 19:36, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. AshLin (talk) 07:18, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * If Support is what you need, you have mine. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 05:52, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

RFC on Languages of India
Please have a look at - Talk:Languages_of_India. It needs last views & comments before we finalise & ask for voting. AshLin (talk) 13:37, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Choices for RFC on Talk:Languages_of_India are ready. Please vote. WE need good turnout & clear consensus here please. AshLin (talk) 02:54, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Important, due to lack of input for last 72 hours on this RFC, I propose to close it tomorrow evening earliest after 1800 hours IST. Be sure to express your opinion before that. AshLin (talk) 13:42, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Result

 * The consensus for this RFC is Proposal Two - "Eleven official languages spoken by over 25 million Indians or more, plus English and Sanskrit - total 13" - (Hindi, Bengali, Telugu, Marathi, Tamil, Urdu, Gujarati, Kannada, Malayalam, Oriya, Punjabi + English, Sanskrit) AshLin (talk) 14:15, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Jammu and Kashmir wrt Indicscripts
Request some eyes on Talk:Jammu and Kashmir. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 19:20, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Gajendra Rathi updated
Greetings! I made a number of edits to Gajendra Rathi in an effort to make it more Wikified. Needs a lot more sources but the article looks and flows a lot better now. I saw that it was part of this project so I wanted to let you all know! Thanks! Kobuu (talk) 16:31, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Not really notable. I will do a afd. నిజానికి (talk) 01:39, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Gajendra Rathi. నిజానికి (talk) 02:14, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Lots of scope for collaboration at Languages of India - please pitch in
It can be difficult to come to a Collaboration of the Month article as abtruse as Languages of India and start adding meaningful edits (duly referenced) and start contributing right away and with a high quality of editting. A lot of time needs to spent, finding reliable sources, examining the text, reading references, finding out the situation and deciding what to add and how. I know, because I've been immersed in it.

Now with the RFC being concluded we have small sections on 13 languages of India which can be written. Each section should be brief, contain lots of interesting & relevant details (with refs, of course) and well written. The following language sections are available for edits - So come on guys, lets make this the best collaboration to date for WP:IN> :) AshLin (talk) 15:27, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hindi,
 * Bengali,
 * Telugu,
 * Marathi,
 * Tamil,
 * Urdu,
 * Gujarati,
 * Kannada,
 * Malayalam,
 * Oriya,
 * Punjabi,
 * English,
 * Sanskrit.

Satyananda Saraswati
Need editors to review recent changes on this page, page has been already protected a few times. Bladesmulti (talk) 08:15, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Watchlisted :) -- Tito ☸ Dutta 11:14, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Nationality Bengali
Please someone check this edit -- Tito ☸ Dutta 01:50, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ by Vigyani  ƬheStrike  Σagle   11:19, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Assam violence
Documenting a current event: 2014 Assam attacks. Requesting your assistance. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 18:48, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Namaste, welcome back to your own WikiProject India noticeboard. I'll add my two paise there. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 11:22, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Shahpura, Andhra Pradesh
Is Shahpura, Andhra Pradesh now a part of Telangana? The Google Maps tool doesn't even mention Telangana but it is fairly close to Warangal. - Sitush (talk) 12:20, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * If it is close to Warangal, it should be in Telangana considering Warangal is somewhat far away from the AP border. I tried google maps but couldn't get the location..do you have a link for it? Cheers,  ƬheStrike  Σagle   12:26, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I only have what our article says but it makes me think that Papadu should be re-categorised as Category:History of Telangana rather than the present Category:History of Andhra Pradesh. - Sitush (talk) 12:41, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * As per the article given coordinates, it is clearly in Telangana. I feel he must have belonged to Telangana, considering his history revolves around Warangal... go ahead and re-categorize it to Telangana. Cheers,  ƬheStrike  Σagle   12:53, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 13:21, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Satyananda Saraswati
Opinions would be welcome at Talk:Satyananda Saraswati. Joshua Jonathan  -  Let's talk!   13:36, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Village stubs & edit warring at same
Editors may want to keep an eye on the edits of  and. Not sure what the story is here, but both accounts have created several un-sourced stubs, mostly villages. Both accounts were removing maintenance templates and edit warring to keep them off the page, though they did nothing to address the issues. Oddly, the only overlap in edits seems to be Kapileshwar Temple, created by 'aryan', then edit warred over by 'rahul'.

The user-names are obviously similar, so after just today realising the similarity (I think I mistook them for each other, then I noticed the 'aryan' redlink! :-/ ), I thought we might have an unregistered class assignment. There are some other user-names that start with 'Say2 ...'. but none seem related. Anyway, hope this is of interest. --220  of  Borg 11:30, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I have requested a sockpuppet investigation. For edit warring, please report him at wp:AN3. Kautilya3 (talk) 12:17, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I would think that sock-puppets, would rarely have such similar user-names, though I have come across such before. That is why I though perhaps a class assignment to create WP pages on some villages, but then there should be more similar user-names. It will be interesting to see what happens. 220  of  Borg 13:15, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I tend to think they are indeed sockpuppets. Rahul Aryan is a rather common name in India. Or they could be brothers too! Interesting...  ƬheStrike  Σagle   13:48, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Though their edits may be problematic, the villages are real places: Uchhaith, Rampatti, Gandhwari from Mithila region of Bihar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redtigerxyz (talk • contribs) 17:09, 28 December 2014‎
 * Indeed, but the pages suck. The editors have totally ignored messages, and reverted multiple times. Oh just noticed, both blocked for sock-puppetry. 220  of  Borg 23:30, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Pre-partition India
Somebody seems to have created a page Pre-Partition India, which is vaguely like a POV fork. Should it be simply a redirect to British India? Kautilya3 (talk) 16:18, 31 December 2014 (UTC)


 * would suggest it to be moved to british india Shrikanthv (talk) 19:38, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, redirect. -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 01:34, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge any unique content, and redirect. Vanamonde93 (talk) 08:09, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * As per Vanamonde93 but with the proviso that only any the unique content that is reliably sourced should be merged. - Sitush (talk) 14:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * : ahem :-)
 * I went ahead and redirect the page to Partition of India, which though not a synonym, is more likely to provide the reader the needed context. But it's a close call, and I have no problems if anyone changes the target. And, happy new years to you all! Abecedare (talk) 15:16, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * British India would be a better option.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 18:26, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree. The lone link to this term existing in Wikipedia intends British India. So, I am changing it. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 19:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Birbal Jha and British Lingua
I think that there may be some funny business going on with Birbal Jha and British Lingua, if anyone would care to take a look at the contribution history etc. Promo, potential COI of contributors etc. - Sitush (talk) 19:39, 1 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I am not convinced that this resolves the entire issue but there has been a sockpuppet investigation that has concluded with a WP:DUCK block. - Sitush (talk) 01:23, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Not sure that he or institute is notable. Articles seem supported by refs though. AshLin (talk) 11:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Institute seems notable and Jha marginally notable by association. --regentspark (comment) 18:07, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Merge proposal closure
Please can someone review Talk:Rajput_clans and close it as they deem appropriate. I am involved. - Sitush (talk) 14:40, 1 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Anyone? You don't have to be an admin. - Sitush (talk) 16:52, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I did it. Bladesmulti (talk) 18:12, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll do any tidying up that is necessary, if you have not done so already. - Sitush (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Notability of Aam Aadmi
It looks to me more like a Hindi language dictionary entry than an encyclopedic concept. All of the sources cited are not about aam aadmi per se but just examples of people using the term. Does anyone else think it should be deleted or at the most redirected to something like Average Joe or commoner (a concept of which there is some literature in the English language)? The most analogous situation I can find is mithai redirecting to South Asian sweets. Gizza ( t )( c ) 10:54, 25 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree, especially since all the cited references merely use the term, rather than discuss it. For now I have stubbed the article, leaving links to common man (which is an exact translation/analog of the term in English) and Aam Aadmi Party. Any suggestions on how to improve the page formatting, so that it is clear that it is intended as a disambiguation page, and not a stub that needs expanding? Or should we simply redirect the page to common man? Abecedare (talk) 15:36, 1 January 2015 (UTC)


 * OK, regrets for completely missing this discussion before messing around in there. There is the Aam Aadmi Party article; a new article probably should have been created for Aam Aadmi Ka Sipahi based on the refs, possibly an article for or reference to the Aam Aadmi Bima Yojana government programme . Therefore it seems reasonable to make a disambiguation page with a lede indicating the translation to common man. Dl2000 (talk) 16:36, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Also Aam Aadmi Party (Pakistan) Dl2000 (talk) 16:37, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , with apologies for the delayed response.
 * "Aam aadmi" by itself is a pretty common phrase in Hindi/Urdu exactly synonymous with "common man", and as such we can easily find thousands of books, newspapers, and other publications using those words. However, so far I haven't seen any source discussing that phrase in particular, which would justify us having a separate article on the subject. So i would again suggest having a simple disambiguation page located at Aam aadmi defining the word, and then linking to related pages that you have found (ie, Aam Aadmi Party, Aam Aadmi Party (Pakistan) and Aam Aadmi Bima Yojana. Aam Aadmi Ka Sipahi is likely to be non-notable; perhaps worth mentioning at the Indian Youth Congress page although even that would be borderline).
 * What do you and others think? If there are no objections I can take a stab at the disambiguation page. Abecedare (talk) 04:00, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Battle of Chamb and Dogra
Some input is welcome, discussion at User talk:Zerefx.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 09:06, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Project task forces
A user has started a discussion to delete the categories for several WikiProject India taskforces. Can project volunteers assess whether this is required or not? Thanks. SFB 12:10, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Section blanking at List of Indian monarchs
Hello, could interested editors please join the discussion at Talk:List of Indian monarchs? I'm trying to avoid an edit war with a relatively new editor who has been repeatedly removing entire sections of foreign monarchs from the article. Thanks, Dai Pritchard (talk) 18:34, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I've protected List of Indian monarchs and Lists of rulers of India. However, imo, the user is acting in good faith and it would be good if there is wider input on what should or should not be included in these lists. --regentspark (comment) 17:39, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

AFD
Likely notified on FTN by other editor, thus notifying this board covering Articles for deletion/Kundalini syndrome‎. Bladesmulti (talk) 19:33, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Help with an article and editor?
I recently came across a speedy deletion for the article Bigg Boss Halla Bol!, which from what I can see is sort of a spin-off of the main Bigg Boss show sort of a continuation of season 8? I'm not overly familiar with the show so I'm kind of unclear on this. In any case, the speedy deletion for the page wasn't really valid since it didn't fall under any of the really speedyable criteria and the other issue is that the entire thing was so murky that I couldn't entirely tell what the editor (User:R.18.22.26.21.V) was trying to get across. I think that they were saying that the article is redundant to the main article for season 8 since the remaining season 8 cast was merged into BBHB, but I wasn't quite clear on that. (You can see the rationale at this diff.) I think that part of the issue here may be a language barrier, so I was wondering if one of you can go and speak with the editor to find out what it is that they are trying to do with the entry, what should be done, and all that good stuff. I'm not opposed to a merge/redirect, but I do think that at some point the editor would need someone who was fluent in Hindi and was somewhat familiar with the show as a whole. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   08:49, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe he wanted to insert his own opinion. Not a big deal. I am calling TheRedPenOfDoom who has watched these types of pages and removed unnecessary. Bladesmulti (talk) 08:58, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Bladesmulti, Tokyogirl79 and TheRedPenOfDoom : Bigg Boss 8 got an extension for a month which is termed as Bigg Boss Halla Bol. Yes, a show named Bigg Boss halla bol exists but it is just a continuation of Bigg Boss 8. It is a spin-off of season 8 only and includes 5 people (crowned as champions on 3rd Jan'15) of Bigg Boss 8, who had never exited the house and 5 people entered the house on Day 105 except Ajaz Khan, who entered on Day 99.Taking this 10 contestants the show (Bigg Boss 8) got an extension for a month named Bigg Boss Halla Bol. Where, Bigg Boss 8 is not yet over as it haven't got any winner (the winner will be declared on 31st Jan' 15). So my opinion is, as it is just a continuation of Bigg Boss season 8, we can continue it in the Bigg Boss 8 page only. Kindly Read the topics - Team Challengers, Duration and The House under the link attached. R.18.22.26.21.V  — Preceding undated comment added 14:49, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

List of Indian spices
Could someone please take a look at the table's right side. I can't figure out what's what. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:12, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Bangla and Tamil are mixed, table heading also has mistake. I would want to drop a few of them because they are running out of my screen and does not really add much value there. It is not a translation table page. --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 09:05, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably removing entire columns should be a matter for article talk page discussion. Do you think you could just give it a quick fix for now? I'd be very grateful. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:14, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * fixed. . --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 12:12, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, AmritasyaPutra! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:54, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

The article gets nearly 30,000 visits a month. Back in October, it recieved 20,000 in a single day. It is very useful to visitors, and already survived complete deletion a few years ago. Please watchlist it and keep it in good shape. Many thanks to AmritasyaPutra and all my Indian friends. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:54, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Narasaraopet or Narasaraopeta
Could editors please help decide the right names?

Articles in question:
 * Narasaraopet
 * Tangutur
 * Ponnur
 * Atmakur, Nellore

Discussion:
 * Discussion at my talk page

Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:00, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


 * All four places are from same state of Andhra Pradesh. 1. Narasaraopeta instead of Narasaraopet 2. Tanguturu instead of Tangutur 3. Ponnur is more commonly used so no change 4. Atmakur is more commonly used so no change. --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 03:26, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


 * 1.Narasaraopet is the right name. 2.Tanguturu instead of Tangutur. 3. Ponnur is the right name.  4. Atmakur is the right name.  --R.18.22.26.21.V 10:34 am, 13 January 2015 (IST)  — Preceding undated comment added 05:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!


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Harej (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hindaun
I'd like to request the attention of this WikiProject on an issue relating to the city of Hindaun in Rajasthan. An editor, User:Tulshi Pandey, has been repeatedly rewriting and/or moving our articles about small towns in Rajasthan, such as Mandawara, Chandangaon and Garhi, Kaurali, to assert that they're neighbourhoods in Hindaun rather than small towns that happen to be near Hindaun. I'm not enough of an expert on Indian geography or politics to know whether what they're doing is correct — has a new "Hindaun district" recently been created, rejigging some of the area's old district boundaries? has Hindaun recently annexed some of the smaller towns to become larger than it was previously? — but the lack of proper sourcing for the edits and the nonexistence of his new replacement categories, like or, certainly looks like inappropriate disruption, and the same user seems to have been generating a significant volume of new Hindaun-related articles that are getting speedy deleted for being nonsensically written, unverifiable and/or not making a substantive claim of notability in the first place. Could somebody who's more familiar with Rajasthan take a look at this and sort out what's appropriate and what isn't? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 18:32, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Dussehra (film)
We had a problem with a promotional sockfarm at Dussehra (film). It seems to fail WP:CRYSTAL in its present state (from the source, it was not even at the filming stage) but I'm wondering if this is just because the article is out of date. Has it been released? Someone with the ability might be useful for a check of Hindi sources. - Sitush (talk) 19:45, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * this site says 2015. No reviews. Doesn't seem to be out yet. --regentspark (comment) 22:18, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hm. I've still not found anything. It looks like it should be PRODed, especially given the known promotional stuff that was going on. - Sitush (talk) 16:56, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Comments please
Any sort of comments to improve Abhishek Bachchan filmography article are appreciated here.  Jim Carter (from public cyber)  11:02, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * the lead can probably be shortened and copy-edited. Also, too many citations have been used in the lead. The first sentence doesn't require 3 citations. Quotes from freely accessible sources like Yahoo, Rediff.com, Indian Express etc. are not needed. Too much info regarding critic review and box office performance gives an undue POV to the list. Thanks--Skr15081997 (talk) 11:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Featured List rating in one project
Hi, List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by B. S. Chandrasekhar is a Featured List as rated in the Cricket project. Does this automatically make it a FL rated article of WikiProject India? Currently it is not rated. VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 10:23, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should be rated as a Featured List. Thanks.--Skr15081997 (talk) 11:32, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Offtopic, the 7 April 1976, Port of Spain match where India won one of its first chasers was epic & I heard it through with commentary on the radio. On topic, yep, it is part of WikiProject India. AshLin (talk) 16:06, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * FA, FL, GA are not wikiproject-related ratings, so need to be applied all wikiprojects. Generally, A class is the only rating given by the formal process by wikiprojects. This should not be copied to Wikiproject India. I have rated the Chandrasekhar FL for WP India. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 16:14, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Make in India
Editors from India are requested to keep an eye on the article Make in India since there are unreferenced contents specially in the section Criticisms is being added from various IP. Cheers! — <b style="color:#D60047">C</b><b style="color:#F0A000">ute</b><b style="color:#00A300">st</b><b style="color:#0A47FF">Penguin</b><sup style="font-size:50%">Hangout 12:28, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , I'll watch it. Warn any editor who is making disruptive edits. If I see no one has tried to talk to them, I can not take administrative action easily. Regards. --Tito Dutta (talk) 17:09, 21 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Please note that the editor is also directly copying paragraphs from sources - copyright violation. I left them a warning on their talk and reverted the one still existing on Capital flight.  Ravensfire  ( talk ) 03:51, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * They have not stopped, I have blocked the user for 48 hours for edit-warring, disruptive edits and copyright violation. Regards. --Tito Dutta (talk) 15:31, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Unfortunate, but pretty obvious after they continued despite some very clearly worded warning. They've uploaded several files, most of which look like pictures of documents they created and that clearly have copyright notices on them.  The files don't appear to have anything granting permission and aren't used on any articles (and I seriously doubt could ever be used).  Think it's enough that they are tagged as they are and will eventually delete?  Ravensfire  ( talk ) 17:11, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * yes, there were many issues. I have deleted 2 files those crossed 7 days' period. --Tito Dutta (talk) 17:25, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you . — <b style="color:#D60047">C</b><b style="color:#F0A000">ute</b><b style="color:#00A300">st</b><b style="color:#0A47FF">Penguin</b><sup style="font-size:50%">Hangout 17:32, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Just as an update, the editor continued to make disruptive edits after the block expired and was subsequent indeff'd. Hopefully this will resolve matters, but would suggest continuing to watch just in case they create a new account or use an IP.   Ravensfire  ( talk ) 21:17, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I did not notice it. Please ping me or directly shoot me at my Talk page. I see he has been indeffed, else I was going to do so. Regards. --Tito Dutta (talk) 03:05, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * His all files have been deleted too by other admins. Shoo, they don't give me chance to do anything (joke). --Tito Dutta (talk) 03:08, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Congrats - we got a new admin!
On behalf of all editors of WikiProject India, heartiest congratulations to on being approved as an admin. :) AshLin (talk) 10:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Tito Dutta (talk) 10:09, 20 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Congrts! — <b style="color:#D60047">C</b><b style="color:#F0A000">ute</b><b style="color:#00A300">st</b><b style="color:#0A47FF">Penguin</b><sup style="font-size:50%">Hangout 12:29, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Congratulations!  -- R.18.22.26.21.V (talk) 03:23, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Many congratulations (again), Tito!! Thanks for taking up the mop --Vishnu (talk) 06:47, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Nomination & Voting - WikiProject India Collaboration of the Month for February 2015
WP:INCOTM languished due to my hospitalisation. Languages of India has improved structure, additional information, more references & also scope for improvement. Lots of people participated & there was a marked improvement in this article. More details on this after 31 Jan 2015.

The last INCOTM ends on 31 Jan 2015 by default. Its time to nominate & select a new INCOTM for the month of February here.

Come one. come all & lets put in a few edits and make this collaboration successful. :) AshLin (talk) 12:59, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * More than 130 refs! నిజానికి (talk) 13:37, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Topic-ban proposal for Robert Walker
I have proposed a topic-ban at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Joshua Jonathan  -  Let's talk!   13:13, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

RfC
I've opened an RfC at Talk:Indigenous Aryans. Let's keep it civilised. Best regards,  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   16:31, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Announcement
Wikipedia Train the Trainer (TTT) 2015 has been announced. It'll be held at the last week of Feb (2015). Please consider joining right now. See this page for details.

Nomination is optional. But, I want you to see there. Register right now. Tito Dutta (talk) 10:13, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi everyone. I'm Strike Eagle, an active editor in en-wiki and commons for the last 3 years with over 15k global contribs. I would like to attend the upcoming Train the Trainer Program organised by the CIS in Feb-Mar 2015. Please comment here to indicate your support to my selection. Thanks,  ƬheStrike  Σagle   14:43, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

User has withdrawn his nomination unfortunately. --Tito Dutta (talk) 02:18, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 16:17, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support Join it. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 17:29, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support Good candidate for a good program. Abecedare (talk) 18:29, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support Definitely! --regentspark (comment) 18:34, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support - A great candidate for an offline evangelist. AshLin (talk) 09:55, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support--Skr15081997 (talk) 11:14, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support --sarvajna (talk) 15:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Nvvchar
Nvvchar has registered too. He is one of the most powerful En Wikipedians. Please support him. -- Tito Dutta (talk) 18:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Support: SURE. ---Tito Dutta (talk) 18:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support Very deserving. --regentspark (comment) 20:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support --User:Vigyani 02:12, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:29, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 05:40, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support Yes. 1000 DYKs? Please attend! You are an asset. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:07, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support Definitely! Abecedare (talk) 03:10, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support -- Bladesmulti (talk) 03:27, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Closing the thread
Vide this announcement, the CIS are no longer sponsoring out station Wikimedians. Hence the nominations are no longer relevant. AshLin (talk) 01:43, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * What are you trying to say AshLin? --Tito Dutta (talk) 01:57, 29 January 2015 (UTC) Reword: the sentence sounds slightly unfriendly when I am re-reading now. It was not deliberate. I meant "I did not understand it" --Tito Dutta (talk) 07:42, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * From CIS-A2K let me clarify that the mail thread pointed out by AshLin is to do with the city where the event is to be hosted (it is now been decided that we are doing this in Bangalore). Let me reiterate that the outstation Wikimedians' travel and stay will be entirely sponsored by CIS-A2K. Thanks.--Vishnu (talk) 06:00, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Jeevan Marg Sophia Secondary
Dear India experts: I found this small article about a school in India, but I have been unable to find any reliable independent sources about it. There are lots of mentions in user-contributed databases and mapping programs, so I'm pretty sure it's actually there. Perhaps someone more familiar with the Indian education system or the local area around the school can find a government site that lists it or a news article about it. Any help would be appreciated. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 11:11, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The school has a website.--regentspark (comment) 15:14, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Are colleges notable?
Hi, I wanted to ask are degree level colleges in India notable? Specially the ones providing distance learning education or something like that?   Mr RD     15:04, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Mr RD, all degree level colleges may not be notable. We cannot do a generalisation; we need to check on a case to case basis. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 15:58, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I wanted to check the notability for New Shores International College, Bangalore. As per my experience, I believe it is not notable but Wikipedia has slightly relaxed policies for educational institutes so just wanted to confirm.   Mr RD     16:25, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Check WP:NSCHOOL. Redtigerxyz Talk 19:14, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Does this exist?
I need some help in ascertaining whether or not this actually exists. I wasn't able to find anything to show it existed so I've deleted it, but I thought I'd ask here just in case. It was created under Chaookpurna, but the article is labeled Chaook. If anyone can find evidence that this exists, tag me and I'll re-create it. I've cut/pasted the article content below. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   09:29, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

“Chaook" चऊक In middle India mainly in Chhattisgarh Rangoli is called Chaook and is generally drawn at the entrance of a house or any other building. Dried rice flour or other forms of white dust powder is used for drawing Chaooks. Although there are numerous traditional Chaook patterns, lot more can be created depending on the creativity of the person who draws it. It is considered auspicious as it signifies showering of good luck and prosperity on the house and in the family. It is not drawn like a picture. Patterns are created based on certain systems. Generally women get up early in the morning and clean the area just outside the entrance of their houses with cow dung, sprinkle the area with water and draw the Chaook. Purpose of Chaook The purpose of Chaook is decoration, and it is thought to bring good luck. Chaook is drawn in occasions such as festivals, auspicious observances, marriage celebrations and other similar and gatherings. Folklore has evolved to mandate that the lines must be completed so as to keep evil spirits away. Chaook designs always look complicated. The negativity that is in the air gets entangled in the complexity of the Chaook design and fails to enter the house. Hence, it is believed that Chaook absorbs evil and prevents negativity from harming us. Other than decoration, Chaook made of coarse rice flour, is used to treat ants so that they don’t have to work so hard for meal. The rice powder is said to invite birds and other small critters to eat it, thus inviting other beings into one’s home and everyday life, a daily tribute to harmonious co-existence.

Taj Mahal to FA
Hi all here,

Can anybody out here can run an unofficial peer review on the talk page of Taj Mahal? The purpose is to bring the article upto FA standard. I have asked for the same. Please join in the task. It is a GA for over 8 years and the one and only FA nom was on 2009. I could see some close paraphrasing, but rest I give over to you. Thanks. - The Herald (here I am) 14:27, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Hyderabad
I have nominated Hyderabad for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. DrKiernan (talk) 12:09, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Awadam
Dear India experts: Here's an old AfC submission about a village that will soon be deleted as a stale draft unless someone improves it. It could use a little TLC.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 03:32, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Anne Delong There are two references atteseting to its existence. It also has a pincode. IMO, as per WP:GEOLAND, it should be created.-- Redtigerxyz  Talk 18:25, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Article for Rescue
If anyone can take a look at Nawab Tipu Khan Bahadur to see if the subject is worth rescue. Much obliged. &eta;oian  &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  18:26, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Chodo vs. chhodo
An IP,, in changed a non-translated Hindi quote "Singhaasan Chodo Janta Aati Hai" to "Singhaasan Chhodo Janta Aati Hai" without leaving an edit summary. I, patrolling with Stiki, and not being familiar with any language in which the consonant cluster chh occur, took the change for disruptive editing and reverted. IP has left a message on my talk page explaining that chodo and chhodo are transliterations of two different words with very different meanings. I looked into it and the cite new used as source

does indeed say "Singhaasan Chodo Janta Aati Hai". Could some of you being familiar with Hindi do what is needed and provide a translation into English? Thanks. -- Sam Sing! 10:07, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * One of them means "f**k" in a rude/offending way. It's best there is no mention of hindi in english alphabets here at all. The slogan conveys "Vacate the throne, common people are coming". I have edited the article. --<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;color: #FF9933">AmritasyaPutra T 10:29, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, off-topic but couldn't help laughing when I saw just the heading in my watchlist. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:31, 9 February 2015 (UTC)