Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 62

Deepak Chopra pronunciation guide
Hello, I posed this question at Talk:Deepak Chopra the other day, but haven't gotten a responses yet, so I thought I'd try here. The question is this... The pronunciation guide on Deepak Chopra gives the Hindustani pronunciation: Deepak Chopra, but in the body of the article, someone cited one of Chopra's books to support a statement that his native language is Punjabi. My gut tells me that the Hindustani IPA template was a mistake and that his article should use the Punjabi template (assuming one exists), but I don't know enough about IPA or either of those languages to know if there was a good reason for choosing the Hindustani template. Any insight? Thank you! PermStrump (talk) 16:33, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Adding native language Kannada
Please look at this discussion at Talk:Adoni and User_talk:NitinBhargava2016.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   07:17, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

RM related to Indian legend of Tulisa
Talk:Tulisa (singer) In ictu oculi (talk) 14:17, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Panchayat Cricket Ground
Please add reliable references and prove the notability.Xx236 (talk) 09:06, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * This is not a notable subject. The article should be deleted. -01:14, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Aadhaar page split
It has been proposed that the Unique Identification Authority of India page should be split into two pages: Aadhaar and Unique Identification Authority of India. Please join the discussion on the talk page. I had posted this once before, but got no response. - Ken fyre (talk) 01:31, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion concerning categorisation of Indian Air Force officers
A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories concerning the categorization of Indian Air Force officer biographies. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 07:10, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

north east council page
Please update the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Eastern_Council

In the 2nd line of the article it is written as Nagaland and Tripura and Sikkim. It should be Nagaland, Tripura and Sikkim. Also, Tripura and Sikkim are 2 different states and should be linked to their proper pages. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.57.50.238 (talk) 17:26, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for noting. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:38, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Adhyapak Nagar
The article for Adhyapak Nagar, apparently a neighbourhood of Delhi, has been nominated for deletion. Per WP:NGEO it should be kept but can any editors with better knowledge of Delhi assist in cleaning-up the article? Thanks AusLondonder (talk) 01:56, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Bara Gumbad/GA1
I have begun this GA review, but the nominator seems to be absent since January 2016. I will wait for response for a week from now. Editors are requested to help out here. If no response is received in a week from now, I will be forced to fail this nomination. Thanks, Sainsf  &lt;^&gt; Feel at home 11:12, 1 April 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ utcursch &#124; talk 20:22, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Yaosang
The stub on Yaosang was, with both repetitions and contradictions. I've edited it as best I could, but it needs attention from someone knowledgeable. See also the Talk page.--Thnidu (talk) 17:22, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

India-Pakistan conflict articles
There are too many POV editors fprom Pakistan. Neutral editors are requested to take a look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.226.195.35 (talk • contribs)


 * IP, there are frequent POV warriors from all sorts of ideological background on Wikipedia. Could you please be more specific about the issue you are concerned about? Please also keep in mind that if you are requesting input on a specific dispute, you should keep the guidelines at WP:CANVAS in mind, and invite input in a neutral manner. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:56, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion regarding the List of people from Punjab, India.
I've opened a discussion at the talk page of the List of people from Punjab, India regarding clarity of the title & scope of the article. Please share your views to improve the article.-NitinMlk (talk) 19:36, 2 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks to those who have already responded to the above. I think further input would be useful because at present the most commonly held sentiment (including mine) is that the list should be deleted, even though everyone seems to acknowledge that is highly unlikely to happen! - Sitush (talk) 20:01, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * It does seem like a problematic list. What does 'from Punjab' mean for example? Someone born in the Punjab? Would that include Rudyard's dad? Someone with an ancestry that includes the Punjab? Would that include (almost) every member of the Sikh diaspora? Even the definition of Punjab is unclear. Do we mean the Punjab of British times? The Punjab of Pakistan + the Punjab of post-partition India. Or the decimated Punjab state that is now in India. Finally, of course, there is the problem of length. One presumes that a lot of people are 'from Punjab'. Wouldn't that make the list inordinately long and thus practically useless? Can't we just delete it as meaningless trivia? --regentspark (comment) 20:32, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject Visakhapatnam in the WikiProject India template
Hi everyone. I just got a request from User:Vin09 to add WikiProject Telangana and WikiProject Visakhapatnam to Template:WikiProject India. I notice that WikiProject Telangana is already present in the template, but WikiProject Visakhapatnam will need new code. Would anyone object to me adding it? Best — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 08:19, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't have any objection. Over to others. --Tito Dutta (talk) 18:07, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * There is also a new wikiproject at WP:WikiProject Eluru. Can check it also.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   03:54, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ I also agree. Also if you know how to do this, can you help me in adding another project Wikiproject Udaipur in the WikiProject India template. I have been looking for this since long time, got general consensus and everything over here. Actually i had created the Wikipedia project page for WikiProject Udaipur, but the statistics count is not getting updated. I know that we need to update the article's talk page to include the term 'udaipur=yes' in the project template. But even after doing so, the articles are not shown in the table. When i manually add some relevant category to the talk page, it starts showing in the table. For instance, i added the category 'Category-Class Udaipur articles' to the talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Udaipur, it started showing in the table. What should be done to get this task automated. ??Vishal0soni (talk) 09:15, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You need to create all those categories I guess Category:Visakhapatnam articles by importance.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   09:09, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * All the categories are also already created. What else could i check? Vishal0soni (talk) 09:15, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

List
Too many entries in Tulu_Nadu.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   04:38, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Does this exist?
Right now the article War (Bengali film) is up for deletion and there's a strong suspicion that it's a hoax, since there's just no coverage out there for the movie. The film stars some fairly well known people and is put out by a major production company, so there's no reason for the media not to announce the stars and the movie's existence. If anything, this makes it more suspicious since I know that Indian newspapers love their movie stars just as much as America loves theirs, if not more so.

Can anyone see if there is any foreign language coverage? If there's none then I'm thinking of opening up an SPI, since the article has been created three times by three different accounts, which makes this awfully suspicious. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:50, 7 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I cannot search for foreign language coverage, but I did some searching through English language media sources, with which I am more familiar. As far as I can tell, it is a hoax; I can find nothing. The page for Nusrat_Faria_Mazhar, one of the costars, uses a link as a reference for this film as an entry. The link is not a real news story, but a "news" homepage, on which I cannot find anything relevant. So, not conclusive, but indicative of a hoax. Vanamonde93 (talk) 04:50, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

RfC: Result of the 1965 Indo-Pakistani War
Please comment at Talk:Indo-Pakistani wars and conflicts. Thanks, Kautilya3 (talk) 19:54, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

International Chandramauli Charitable Trust
International Chandramauli Charitable Trust at at AfD. Can any editors assist in providing sources in Hindi, Urdu and indeed any Indian languages other than English? AusLondonder (talk) 20:48, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

CIS-A2K Newsletter 2016 March
Hello, CIS-A2K has published their March 2016 newsletter. The edition includes details about these topics: Please read the complete newsletter here. If you want to subscribe/unsubscibe this newsletter, click here. --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:58, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) CIS-A2K's work-plan for the year 2016-2017
 * 2) National-level Wikipedia Education Program review workshop conducted in Bangalore in mid-January;
 * 3) BHASHA-Indian Languages Digital Festival event and CIS-A2K's participation;
 * 4) A learning pattern describing the importance of storytelling over demonstration in a Wikipedia outreach;

nowrunning.com
Hi all, hate to bring this up here, but the Indian cinema task force is a ghost town. Anyone know anything about nowrunning.com? It looks like a standard cookie-cutter blog like I see all day long being added to Indian cinema articles for spam purposes. There are about 1900 uses of this domain across Wikipedia, so it's somewhat popular, though I see nothing on their site (For instance their Contact Us page) that would clearly indicate they are a reliable source run by journalists, or that the site has an established reputation for fact-checking. Anybody have any thoughts? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:01, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It should be removed as spam and blacklisted, this is not a blog, it's a consolidator website that runs on advertorial revenue. Content isn't theirs but what's aggregated through APIs/feeds from other websites. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:57, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * any specific detail you have about this would be appreciated tremendously, especially if I'm going to take it to WikiProject Spam. I'm also having a similar issue with Onlookersmedia.in, like here where it's being used to elevate box office grosses. This site's about us page makes it seem like it's run by amateurs, not journalists. This is not as huge of a problem as nowrunning.com with only about 2 dozen links for onlookers but it's still questionable, and as I'm sure you all know, poor sourcing is a huge problem in Indian cinema articles. I have been slowly working on a reliable sources FAQ, but with participation dwindling at the Indian cinema task force, it's been very difficult to get that off the ground. Anyhow, any details you have would be really appreciated. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:15, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, it's difficult to pinpoint the specifics and you'll have to do a comparison of the site content with other sites for that, but just take the images and do a google search and you'll find all the photos at Bollywood Hungama and others. This is true of most of these aggregator sites. Likewise, the reviews will be the same on multiple such websites. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  23:14, 17 April 2016 (UTC)


 * The source was discussed previously at RSN. Though the small discussion doesn't seem to be very much stamped and concluded, it leaned towards calling it a non-RS. Interestingly, apart from being used as a source in a GA article Drishyam, it is also used in the content. (Well, that article also uses a non-free image which violates MOS:FILM and the nominator is now blocked as sock!) It's similarly used on many other GAs like Loham, Bommarillu, and Thuppakki. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:03, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion on auto-assessment of articles
See this discussion, which suggests a bot task that would auto-assess some articles for WikiProjects based on other WikiProject templates on the page. Please feel free to comment on the discussion. It would be helpful to know if your WikiProject would be interested in auto-assessment. ~ RobTalk 17:13, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Getting coordinates and displaying maps for lists of places in India
Hi, I don't know if many editors of India-related topics know of the use of GeoGroup together with coordinates for list-items, which puts links to maps showing all the places in OSM, Google, or Bing. It happens that I don't see this done in a few India-related list-articles that I have browsed. I just added this feature to List of temples in Bhubaneswar, Orissa, India. I started with the coordinates available at a few temples' corresponding articles. But I notice that many temples' articles have imprecise coordinates (just degrees and minutes but not seconds of latitude and longitude) or none at all (perhaps because few realize how precise coordinates can be useful?). You can get exact coordinates of buildings if you know the place, by use of Google satellite maps: use regular Google maps to navigate your way to an approximate location, then switch to satellite view, then zoom in to the building, then right-click and select "What's here" to see the exact coordinates, which you can copy-paste. Or at least that works well for me using Chrome browser. I kind of think adding coordinates works well for list-articles that present their items in tables; I would be less eager to add coordinates for bare lists like, say, the current version of "List of temples in Lahore", Pakistan.

Perhaps "how to" do this is well-known? Sorry for bothering you then. Anyhow, help identifying the locations of the temples in Bhubaneswar would be appreciated. And perhaps also soon for a List of Hindu temples in Cuttack (currently a redlink, about city also in Orissa), which I am suggesting as an alternative to deletion at ongoing Articles for deletion/Maa Jhanhiri Mangala Temple. Cheers from the U.S. of A. -- do ncr  am  20:17, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Doncram for this note. I wasn't aware of GeoGroup myself, although now i remember having seen it on some recent FLC; power plants or dams in some country it was. Few years back i have added geocodes on various Category:Dams in Maharashtra. Is their any tool to somehow bring those all codes on one page from articles within one category? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 17:08, 23 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Great question. I see it would be useful to create a list-article about dams in Maharashtra:  it would make a list of all the articles and the coordinates appearing in the articles.  A variation would be to collect coordinates from all articles appearing in a list.  Such a tool would be very useful to me too.  I am pretty sure that for one application (e.g. dams in Maharashtra), if you asked at wp:bot requests a bot programmer would run the report.  I don't know if it how hard it is to get a reusable tool created, but I am asking now, at wp:Bot requests.  Thanks! -- do  ncr  am  19:05, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Here are my experiences in creating a Geogroup for Baltistan. When I first entered the coordinates for the entries in the table and clicked on the map links, nothing showed, only one map point for the overall Baltistan. I had to do in order to get the map points in the table. I don't know if this is a bug or a feature.

Google Maps only gave me decimal coordinates. To convert them to degrees-minutes (to reduce clutter) I used the Geolocator tool. I don't know if there is a better way. In any case, once I got it to work, I set the "display=none" option in the °N, °W templates so that the coordinates are not displayed at all. That eliminated the clutter entirely. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:26, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Bhappi Sonie
Please add his Hindu name and possible interwiki.Xx236 (talk) 07:15, 27 April 2016 (UTC)


 * hi:भप्पी सोनी - no equivalent entry in the Hindi wikipedia, only a mere mention in hi:ब्रह्मचारी (1968 फ़िल्म). The Masked Man of Mega Might (talk) 07:28, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Freida Pinto FAC
I've nominated the article for FAC. Constructive feedback would be appreciated – Featured article candidates/Freida Pinto/archive3. Thanks, &mdash; Vensatry (Talk) 17:03, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

UA v Metro
Need standard definition on articles such as Urban agglomeration of Eluru, Vijayawada Urban Agglomeration, Kollam Metropolitan Area, Kochi Metropolitan Area. Are both urban agglomeration and Metropolitan area the same? As per Census 2011 the ref is here. Pinging .-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   06:29, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * 'Urban agglomeration' is a census-based definition; it has got nothing to do with a city's governance. The UA articles listed above ought to be deleted. Metropolitan area is a definition given by an authority that governs a particular city (for eg., local planning area). A metropolitan area is different from an UA. They can have their own articles as long as an authority governing the same exists. &mdash; Vensatry (Talk) 06:43, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for info, but has a doubt are these two similar in area wise? So, what should be done with the above articles, nominate for deletion, I've already nominated one yesterday at Vijayawada Urban Agglomeration. But revoked as the name of the title was changed.?-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   07:01, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No, both aren't one and the same. The UA articles should be AFDed (even if they exist for cities like Mumbai, Delhi, Kolkata and Chennai). &mdash; Vensatry (Talk) 08:48, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Vensatry has it right, UA should perhaps be covered in the city articles and shouldn't be listed separately. The metro definition is entirely different and UAs are not always a subset of metros of vice versa. If a venn diagram were to be drawn the only certainty is that the city would be within the intersection of the UA and the Metro. UAs don't have any purpose other than to document contiguous population for census purposes and therefore are better addressed within city articles. If this is a recurring problem then I think a here for all India UA/Metros might be a good option. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  08:55, 29 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Indian articles have various such pending issues that affect large number of articles. Its nice that is dedicating a lot of time on cleaning cities and towns articles. The topic might not be of interest to many editors but what others can do is at least comment on common RFCs so editors who want to work on such topics have a way forward with it. Vin09, please raise a common RFC on this topic and others related to Indian geolocations that you usually work on. Lets start sorting out our issues one by one. WP:INDICSCRIPT was one such long standing issue that we helped close. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:30, 29 April 2016 (UTC)


 * As per your advice I started a an RfC at Talk:List_of_metropolitan_areas_in_India-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   10:05, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest withdrawing that RfC immediately. An RfC shouldn't be open ended like that as it will lead to pie-in-the-sky statements. I'd suggest formulating one that has the specific proposal and why and then open the RfC, preferably here and not at an article talk page as this should cover many articles. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  10:10, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, I wasn't aware of that. So, how should I open an RfC here? Can you do it?-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   10:57, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure what the issues here are, so you (or someone familiar with it) will have to do it. I just opined about the difference between an Urban Agglomeration and Metro area. How that should be addressed is best left to people like you who work in this area. I think does some work in this area, as do  and ; they may be able to help put together something that's reasonable. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  11:34, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Train-the-Trainer and MediaWiki Training: Capacity building initiatives for the Wikimedia community
Like the previous years [1][2] CIS-A2K is planning for a capacity building activity for the Indic-language Wikimedia communities this year. This 3-4 day event, that is planned to be organized in Bengaluru, will include several parallel training sessions. The general sessions will broadly include: Similarly, the MediaWiki training will include:
 * How to conduct Wikimedia outreach (workshops, GLAM activities, edit-a-thons)
 * Ways to groom new contributors
 * Advanced Wikipedia editing and Wikipedia policy and guidelines
 * MediaWiki - installation, analysis, understanding
 * Working with MediaWiki
 * How bots work on Wikimedia projects with an emphasis on pywikibot
 * Bug triage, bug life cycle, raising a bug, fixing a bug
 * General overview of FOSS, Openness, social media, Copyright, Creative Commons

We are looking forward to nominate yourself or nominate any other member of your community to participate in this event. We will be selecting the participants based on the community recommendation. We are looking forward to hearing your inputs on the program design and anything in particular that you would like to see.

Please note that the Wikimedians who have not attended the previous iterations of this training will be given more preference. You can learn more about the event here.

Favor?
Hi all, can someone please do me a favor and explain what these statements means in English? "Death - Ente Kayyil Ninnayirikkum ninte anthyam. This is a threatning. Kettoda Bullshit." The user is protesting his block and I was hoping to get a different perspective. I'm sorry to bring it up, but I'm at a loss for where else to go. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:30, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I've declined the unblock, the statement is "Your end is in my hands". &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  08:21, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated, SS. Thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:40, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

"green-certified"
National Museum of Natural History, New Delhi speaks of "a ₹ 250 crore green-certified building". I gather that "green-certified" signifies some attestation to environmental soundness, but that's all I get. There's no page for it or for "green certification", and the definition on Green certificate doesn't seem to fit. The term may be well understood in India, but not in the US. How about a page for it? --Thnidu (talk) 06:28, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I've only done fifteen minutes worth of news searching. I've managed to get a vague picture of this green certificate according to our country. I got a report talking of the Rashtrapati Bhavan getting one per ISO standard. Another and another about a Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) definition (it's American I think). Similarly there's a Indian Green Building Council (IGBC)-rated one. The Museum is both LEED and something called GRIHA (Green Rating for Integrated Habitat Assessment)-this another national one per the ref in the article.


 * I doubt another article would be needed, when there's a tag to globalise Green certificate, but then again, I'm always reluctant to create new. Let me know your thoughts on what we should do. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:35, 28 April 2016 (UTC) (forgot to ping ) Ugog Nizdast (talk) 12:58, 29 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Oops, I meant Green (certification) not Green certificate. I've added the Indian perspective to this page. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 07:32, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Notability for buildings
I recently came across this article. The only claim to notability here is that of height, but the tower is not remotely the tallest in the state or the country or anything. There are a number of similar articles for other towers in India. Does anybody know if there is an obscure notability guideline covering these? Otherwise, they might need to be mass AfDd. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:01, 1 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I couldn't find any guideline or even essay covering this. There is List of tallest buildings and structures in South Asia which all of these barely notable towers can get redirected to via R to list entry; that list is in equally bad shape though. I feel mass afding would take longer when you can do this mass non-controversial redirecting. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:51, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I did think of that, and I'm willing to give it a shot. Oftentimes the creators of these articles are kind of attached to their creations, but I believe the creator in this case has been indeffed, so perhaps that's not a concern...Thanks. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:19, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Stay tuned for the puppets show then... Popcorn.svg §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 07:35, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

NRGA Act 2012
This article was nominated for speedy deletion. However, it seems a notable topic from the searches I have done. Could anyone with more experience in this area assist in cleaning-up this article? AusLondonder (talk) 00:08, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It doesn't look like the act was ever passed. Speedy delete seems appropriate here. --regentspark (comment) 00:33, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No idea why that would eliminate its notability under WP:GNG. See Category:United States proposed federal legislation AusLondonder (talk) 00:40, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think the intent is to keep articles on every bit of legislation that has ever been proposed. Perhaps it merits a mention in Pollution of the Ganges but an entire article? --regentspark (comment) 00:49, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sigh, this is not a law or a bill considered by Parliament, it's some fringe group proposing that parliament takes it up. No one wants to cover it, so of course Wikipedia in its infinite wisdom would like to host an article about it. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  00:54, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It does not seem to have received any mainstream attention, so a stand-alone article does not seem appropriate to me. Additionally, the way the article is written suggests to me that it could well be an attempt at promotion, though I might be wrong about that. Vanamonde93 (talk) 03:25, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Pointless article, as per the comments of others above. - Sitush (talk) 14:33, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

IRC Helpers Experienced in Indian Topics
Hey there! I'm a helper from the IRC Wikipedia Help channel. We've been receiving quite a large amount of help needed from editors creating pages about Indian topics such as Indian writers. Since most of the current helpers aren't well informed on those topics, we'd like to request several people interested in the Indian culture to come and assist us with helping users. Thanks! FiendYT  ★  03:36, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Will try to help.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   04:00, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

News article needs help
I am not usually involved in writing articles related to current events but have dabbled with 2016 Uttarakhand forest fires. Anyone with more skills is welcome to tune it and flesh it further. Thanks. Shyamal (talk) 12:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I was gonna write this yesterday. But bees swarmed me. Will add more today or tomorrow. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:30, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Assistance requested
Beekeeping in India seems like a notable topic, in the category tree of Category:Beekeeping by country. It needs major and vast improvement. Could any editors assist with this? AusLondonder (talk) 08:35, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Why not do it yourself? You've identified problems, so fix it. - Sitush (talk) 14:31, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * What is your problem? Seriously. Stop being a bully, following and criticising me at every turn. The point of this (and other project noticeboards) is to ask editors with more knowledge in a particular area to assist. It has worked well, the article has been improved and deprodded. AusLondonder (talk) 22:04, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I am not following you. I am criticising, yes, but that is for an entirely valid reason and I am by no means alone. - Sitush (talk) 08:17, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. No one criticised me about this. Neither has anyone other than you criticised me in a personalised manner. In fact, posting this here has resulted in major improvements to the beekeeping article (more than I, with no experience in this area could have done). That's a good thing - and I'm more than happy to cop criticism from you for trying to improve articles. AusLondonder (talk) 08:41, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

AfC submission
See Draft:National Institute of Hydrography. Thank you, FoCuS contribs ;  talk to me!  22:41, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Requested move
Please see the WP:RM at Talk:Saffron (color) regarding the applicability of Indian English spelling AusLondonder (talk) 08:30, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Nuclear Liability Fund Levy
NPCIL can collect the Nuclear liability Fund Levy @5 paise per each unit of energy from its consumers.Whether commission on Bank Guarantee on Nuclerar liability Fund is also pass through ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.239.153.219 (talk) 09:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

New Readers research
Hello!

You may have heard that several teams at the Wikimedia Foundation are collaborating to do research in several countries as part of the New Readers project. The project aims for a better understanding of how people think about knowledge, learning, and the internet. With this, we can start to figure out why Wikipedia reading rates are so low in countries where internet usage is rising so quickly.

To learn this, we are doing qualitative research sprints in Mexico, Nigeria, and YES, India.

That’s where you come in. We want our research to reflect needs and experiences of Wikimedia communities throughout India. Specifically: what questions do you have about general internet users in India? What groups (language, professional, regional) would you like to know more about? What barriers do you believe exist for potential Wikipedia readers? You can see our key priorities for this research here.

If you have thoughts or questions, please email me at jsutherland@undefinedwikimedia.org! We will share our proposed research approach with your inputs incorporated wherever possible by next week. We're excited to work with you! Joe Sutherland (WMF) (talk) 22:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Arun Pathak and Anil Singh - sources in Hindi
Hello, can anyone here read and understand Hindi? These edits have added some serious allegations about Anil Singh (State Chief Shivsena) to Arun Pathak, sourced to three articles from the Navbharat Times which are only in Hindhi. It would be helpful to check that the sources used support the description given. If you prefer to reply here, I will summarise any conclusions on the talk page of the article. Thank you. MPS1992 (talk) 15:06, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the changes pending verification. --regentspark (comment) 18:32, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Can anyone help verifying the meaning of the sources please? MPS1992 (talk) 16:49, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello guys, I just checked the given sources. They do mention a telephonic conversation between Anil Singh and Arun Pathak in which the former asks the latter to do riots.--Satdeep Gill (talk • contribs 18:01, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Anmoll Mallik - Wiki Edits
Hi, I need to change the title from "Anmol Malik" to "Anmoll Mallik" on her Wiki page. Though there are a lot of credible sources online with 'Anmoll Mallik', my edits are not being accepted. Also, all edits I incorporate on the content of the page are undone. Could someone guide me with what I need to do? Thanks. Dxcu12 (talk) 06:25, 13 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi. Sorry that your good faith attempts were undone, it's because of the way you've written it. We don't accept flowery language in the encyclopaedia, for instance "The rawness and innocence in her voice prompted director..." is hardly encyclopaedic, stick to adding the raw facts to the article.. Secondly all material should be reliably sourced, youtube usually doesn't count.
 * Regarding the title, see maybe you could start a requested move after seeing the WP:TITLE. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 06:39, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Ugog, Thank you for your prompt reply. Will look into this. Dxcu12 (talk) 06:59, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

WikiConference India 2016
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Hi,

After an elaborate community participation process, we are planning to host Wikiconference India 2016 in Chandigarh during August 5, 6 and 7.

Please help us by


 * Joining as a volunteer
 * Signing up for various teams
 * Providing feedback for program design
 * Reviewing and endorsing our PEG grant request

We will be calling applications for travel scholarship and paper presentations soon.

We look forward to your contribution in making this conference successful. Please sign up to our mailing list and follow the discussion in Meta for updates.

Thanks.

WikiConference India 2016 team.

 Jim Car  ter  16:57, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

As a stakeholder of the Wikimedia India community in India, please express your support and comments regarding the selection of host city, date and other aspects of this conference planning.

Support

 * 1) Tito Dutta (talk) 20:28, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * 2) --Ekvastra (talk) 13:04, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Oppose
It would be better if the conference in held in NCR-New Delhi or in cities line Mumbai, Banglore, Chennai e.t.c are these are well connected to all the states of India. Chandigarh is good but it is difficult for the people from southern and north eastern states to reach there compared to reaching the the above mentioned cities. KC Velaga ☚╣✉╠☛  02:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The City selection process started in September 2015 and its waaay tooo late to oppose that. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh! Thanks for the information. KC Velaga  ☚╣✉╠☛  11:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Comments

 * 1) All the best. --Tito Dutta (talk) 20:28, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * 2) Please could you let me know, is it likely that anyone there will be able to read and understand Hindi? Thank you. MPS1992 (talk) 18:11, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * 3) MPS1992, As WCI 2016 is being organized at Chandigarh, there will be a lot of people who will be able to read and understand Hindi.--Satdeep Gill (talk • contribs 18:28, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, in that case I hope some of them will be able to help me by looking at the sources I mention above in . MPS1992 (talk) 17:41, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You are derailing this section of WikiConference. You could ping someone from Category:User hi in your section above. Sorry I missed that note of yours. Will have a look at the sources and comment there. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:33, 13 May 2016 (UTC)


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 * Can someone in the know fix the above template? All this bolding is sort of distracting. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:42, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
 * User:SpacemanSpiff, done. --Tito Dutta (talk) 19:05, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Organising a vote on Indic-Scripts
Hullo everybody,

There's a so-called "consensus" on Indic scripts that goes back quite a long time ago and was wondering if a new vote could be organised? (I don't think there was any initial voting to be frank)

The reasons are as follows: The consensus seems to be very strictly enforced on any India related page but Indic scripts are used broadly on say the Wikipedia page of Bangladesh, where's the logic in that?

Secondly, the ban against Indic script stemmed from the controversy of what language should be used to write the native names of Indian personalities eg local languages like Gujerati for Gandhi and Modi? Or Hindi, the official language, for everyone? But where's no language controversy like in writing Bharat Ganarajya in Hindi, why the fuss?

Thirdly, I personally favour scrapping the ban by using the same policies as applied to personalities who come from countries where there are multiple official languages or people who are of "foreign" origins when compared to their current nationality or state of residence.

For instance, Nobel Laureate Ada Yonath has her name in Hebrew despite the fact that Israel has two official languages. Her religious background was here seen as a criterion for picking the right language.

Similar solutions based on background could be used for Indian personalities.

What are your views?

P.S: agrees with me, can we organise a vote to settle things out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manish2542 (talk • contribs) 22:20, 10 May 2016


 * There most certainly was a previous RfC; folks who have been here longer than me, like or  or  will probably be able to point you to the RfC itself. The logic behind it is quite straightforward; Bangladesh uses a single language in a way that India does not, from what I know from digging into the literature on this a while back. Aside from the basic question of which language to use, there are a couple of other issues. First, the lede can become a magnet for POV warriors who try to "claim" an individual by inserting a name in a certain language. Second, the lede can quickly become an unwieldy mess of names; far better to place them under the "native_name" parameter of the infobox. Third, names in native languages are actually of very limited use. The majority of readers are unlikely to speak a specific language that may be in the lede; and even for those who do, what does having it in the text (as opposed to the infobox) really add? Of course, that said, nobody can stop you from opening an RfC; but for all these reasons, I doubt it will be of very much use. Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:45, 10 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, this has been much discussed and the consensus (please note that we don't 'vote' on things here) is to avoid using indic scripts in the lead. India is a unique country in the sense that there are a plethora of languages, a multiplicity of identities, and not always certainty in the association of locations of places with the culture of the region. In many cases, this results in a messy lead (lots of scripts that few English wiki readers can read or understand), pov pushing, or even blp issues (should Ramachandra Guha's name be rendered in Tamil for example). This is a rabbit hole that is best avoided. --regentspark (comment) 22:58, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd support a new RfC. The arguments in the two previous ones (as far as I can remember from skimming through them a while back) centred around a specific set of articles (about personalities or entities of contested identity). Despite this specific scope, the decision seems to have been applied (in principle, although not always in practice) across the board. At the very least, we need a revision to arrive at a more nuanced set of guidelines. Uanfala (talk) 23:09, 10 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose: Usage of Indic scripts in lead.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   09:32, 11 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: For starters, I would request the commenter to sign their comments. Secondly; we don't form consensus based on "vote counts" and hence if they feel that "voting" if organized can change "consensus" then that’s wrong. Thirdly; why do you propose should "Bharat Ganarajya" be written in Hindi? (Actually, it will be written in Devanagri and not Hindi.) Next; please be aware of WP:OSE and avoid giving examples of what other articles are using as numerous factors are involved in making such decisions. Next; if "background" is to be used as a basis for deciding, which script does nominator propose for using on Rajinikanth's article? §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:17, 11 May 2016 (UTC)


 * No, just no. - Sitush (talk) 06:29, 12 May 2016 (UTC)



Ramachandra Guha was born in current Uttarakhand where the state languages are Hindi and Sanskrit. According to the Indian constitution, Hindi is to be written in Devanagari script. Sanskrit used to be written in multiple scripts but now no more (Is there an official stand on the issue? I wonder but the article on Sanskrit has clearly favoured Devanagari)

Solution: His name should be written in Devanagari. He is of Tamil ethnicity but born out of Tamil Nadu so primacy is here given to place of birth.

Same for Rajinikanth, born in Karnataka so preeminence given to Kannada alphabet.

By the way, Devanagari is used on the Uttarakhand page and Kannada alphabet on the Karnataka article, in the leads, I invite you three to rush forward to delete these.

These might be the respective official laguages in these two states (and their respective scripts) but Hindi is one of the two official (not national) languages of India and if you read the lead of the article, India is not written in Devanagari, neither as इंडिया nor as भारत.

Any explanations?

"India is a unique country in the sense that there are a plethora of languages, a multiplicity of identities, and not always certainty in the association of locations of places with the culture of the region".

Quite interesting how India's "uniqueness" is being used to deny its "indianness"

"Next; please be aware of WP:OSE and avoid giving examples of what other articles are using as numerous factors are involved in making such decisions."

It was just one argument and one example, no wrong in doing that.



Thank you. What are your views on the fact that votes have no bearing on determining consensus? Manish2542 (talk) 19:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Pure and simple votes, although not completely irrelevant, aren't what matters in discussions like these. The system is explained at WP:RFC. As for the articles on the languages themselves, they're an explicit exception at WP:INDICSCRIPTS. Choosing the script to use based on the place of birth is helpful, but in many cases might be irrelevant or contentious. Uanfala (talk) 20:08, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Manish2542, you have provided one possible argument for which language to use in the lede of Ramachandra Guha, but another editor might make an equally strong argument for using Tamil instead; which is precisely the point. We want to avoid these debates entirely, by not including scripts of a very limited value. If the lack of consistency between some articles bothers you, then go ahead and fix them. Also, there is an exception for geographical articles. Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Not to mention blp issues. Does a Tamilian born in Uttarakhand identify with Hindi or Tamil? Perhaps he loathes Hindi. Perhaps he doesn't read or write Tamil. I don't think this is a good road to go down. The bottom line is that Indic scripts are a feel good thing for editors but do nothing for our readers. --regentspark (comment) 22:27, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * "Feel good thing?" Having to put up with these linguistic-nationalistic flame wars day in and day out is quite the opposite. No thank you. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:41, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm just curious: how do these flame wars normally occur: by people inserting scripts, or by removing them? Uanfala (talk) 22:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Both. And, in what order the scripts should go, how many there should be and so on. These wars still happen for instance on Vijayanagara Empire and Satavahana dynasty. You can look at Talk:India for how linguistic nationalism operates. These are the battles we have now, even without INDICSCRIPTS in the lead. If we allowed them, things would get infinitely worse. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:25, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Fact check please! Rajinikanth was born in Karnataka to a Marathi family and grew up learning Marathi and Kannada and now predominantly works in Tamil film industry. Given that, his lead should be... "Shivaji Rao Gaekwad (, शिवाजी राव गायकवाड, ಶಿವಾಜಿ ರಾವ್ ಗಾಯಕ್ವಾಡ್, சிவாஜி ராவ் கெய்க்வாட்; born 12 December 1950), known mononymously as Rajinikanth, (, रजनीकांत, ರಜನಿಕಾಂತ್, ரஜினிகாந்த்)...."

Many web browsers do not support indic scripts and for them these are just strings of boxes. And for plenty many readers, these strings, boxes or not, make no sense as they can read none of these languages. Google or other search engines show WP's starting few lines as snippets and these snippets abruptly end somewhere in some strings and render no meaningful information at all. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:10, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Google's snippets skip the multilingual bits in the first sentence. Uanfala (talk) 09:12, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Bing doesn't. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:49, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Dheevara
Please help.Xx236 (talk) 11:56, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Political parties
Need opinion if an MLA changes his party, does the column needs to be updated with the present party or the one which he won in the main elections. Many IPs have changed in these pages.
 * List of constituencies of Telangana Legislative Assembly
 * List of constituencies of Andhra Pradesh Legislative Assembly

Thank you.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   09:05, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * In the Indian system, the candidate wins the election, not the party. Imo, the infobox should list whatever party he or she belongs to now. --regentspark (comment) 12:39, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd agree with RP on the above list, but in lists like Tamil Nadu Legislative Assembly election, 2011 it should document the party affiliation that the candidate won the election with. The difference is that the lists that Vin posted are meant to include current snapshot of the affiliation while the election lists are meant to include point in time snapshots. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  12:50, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. Current lists should have current affiliations while fixed point lists should have the affiliation at that time. --regentspark (comment) 12:59, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I think using WP:REFGROUP in both types of lists might also be helpful. In the current view a note could be added to state the original party and the election lists a note could be added to show the current party. Given that all such switches within a term would require multiple members (to avoid disqualification) this won't add bloat to the article(s) either. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  13:13, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * But per this ref of AP and TS official website they still list per 2014. Many IPs are changing per News.

I take this point In the current view a note could be added to state the original party and add them. Thank for responding.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   14:15, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * IMO as the legislator party switches will be covered by the applicable disqualification laws, only on the say so of the speaker should any new party recognition be considered. As far as the govt websites are considered they are notoriously slow in correcting things, so I wouldn't be concerned if they haven't updated anything. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  14:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Naming people in an article
I'm looking at Paradesi_Jews and wonder whether it is kosher to name individuals in this context. Some of the content is sourced while some is not but, even if we take out the unsourced stuff, is it ok to list the 'last remaining'? --regentspark (comment) 13:50, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Don't even get me started. Have a look at what used to be Yaheh Hallegua and Articles for deletion/Yaheh Hallegua, Articles for deletion/Yaheh Hallegua (2nd nomination)The Masked Man of Mega Might (talk) 14:12, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Meh, I was just telling someone on my talk page that our enforced standards of notability are absurdly low when it comes to people who haven't done much except be themselves and the above two AfDs just prove my point. As for the other person included in the listing, I believe the reference is circular as this site looks to be a copy of en.wiki (will have to figure out which version of which articles were used), so that might have to go for sure. This business of merge out of AfD does far too much damage to the article that's reasonable but not the topic of the AfD. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  14:19, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * To add to the complexity, User:Davvidlevi has been adding information about a Davvid Levi and his entire family tree at History of Jews in India. Are we now a genealogy site? --regentspark (comment) 21:21, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Patli-Hajipur
There are many such pages - unsourced, orphan, poor English, no local name, no interwiki. What is the name Patli-Hajipur or Hajipur?Xx236 (talk) 08:05, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Checked it. Can you address my concern of above section?-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   08:17, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Does the place have Hindi name?Xx236 (talk) 08:19, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Patli Hajipur or Patli-Hajipur? I assume Patli Hajipur so I correct the text. Xx236 (talk) 12:13, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I moved it based on the census listing, a hyphen also doesn't seem to make sense in this context. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  12:35, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * What is the Hindu name?
 * Is there such page in Hindu Wikipedia?Xx236 (talk) 06:53, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Edit-warring at List of current Indian chief ministers
For several weeks now, User:Machli jal has been making undiscussed changes to the List of current Indian chief ministers featured list and the File:Indian states according to party of their chief minister.png image file (uploaded by me on Commons). I've left him a message, but I don't believe he engages in discussion. Could somebody suggest a course of action?—indopug (talk) 16:39, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I think Assam CM is about to take oath. So, he might be adding that.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   16:49, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not that—he's been repeatedly changing the colour scheme in the article.—indopug (talk) 16:57, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the user just replaced the party name with the same color in English name like INC party color as cyan. As of now the page has not damage I guess. Correct me if I'm wrong.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   17:09, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think so . I think this is leading to vandalism. A newer version is uploaded almost everyday. This may lead to confusion for the reader and as well as the editor. The present version is not also not in agreement with the legend provided. The color green is not mentioned in the legend. There is no that need to change the version daily, it's been observed that sometimes User:Machli jal has changed it sometimes about 4 times a day. deliver a warning message on his talk page and if the user repeats the same, consider reporting the user to an administrator.  KC Velaga  ☚╣✉╠☛  10:16, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Both of them had come to discussion I guess at User_talk:Machli_jal.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   10:23, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Letter case problem
I have found many letter case problems in India related pages. I believe there is no such idea in Hindi and other India languages. Please verify India related pages.Xx236 (talk) 06:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing this out, but we do correct these whenever we see them. You can do that too! Uanfala (talk) 09:46, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Please provide a few examples. --Tito Dutta (talk) 11:52, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Help updating this article on me
Hello everyone, There is a page on me Partho_Sen-Gupta which is very outdated and needs to meet Wikipedia standards. Could someone help? Psg116 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:02, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * If no one responds, you can always use edit requests, see WP:AUTO. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:19, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * As the article is on you, please read WP:AUTO and WP:COI too. --Tito Dutta (talk) 11:55, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

CIS-A2K April 2016 Newsletter
Hello,

CIS-A2K has published their April 2016 newsletter. The edition includes details about these topics: Please read the complete newsletter here. If you want to subscribe/unsubscibe this newsletter, click here. --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:41, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit-a-thon organised at Christ University, Bangalore to celebrate Women’s Day;
 * 2) Celebrating the 13th anniversary of Kannada Wikipedia;
 * 3) Odia-language Women’s History Month edit-a-thons;
 * 4) Upcoming 14th birth anniversary of Odia Wikipedia;

Help finding sources?
I came across HooplaKidz with a related AfD, but I'm not really finding anything out there about this website/YT channel aside from it being mentioned briefly here and there, not really in any way that would show concrete notability. So far there are only two sources that can really show notability, a Parent's Choice Award and a review for one of their apps. The PCA is kind of iffy since the site has kind of become a little commercial over the years and they give out a ton more awards than they did back in the beginning, enough to where I'm not entirely sure that it'd be enough to keep the article on that basis alone. It looks like this originated in India, so I'm asking here for help in case there's any coverage that isn't in English and/or doesn't show up with the India newspapers search.

I figure that there are two outcomes for this, if there's no other coverage out there. This can be redirected to the applicable section for the network responsible for the channel/website or it could be taken to AfD and deleted. I'd prefer the latter, but this may not be entirely possible without an AfD.

On a side note, this was created by the website themselves and legit had a section that said "Disclaimer: this is advertising". (shakes head) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:16, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * My experience is that major cultural institutions in India, including television shows, sometimes have no presence in English language media and I have been unable to find a way to access local language media, if any exists. I am not sure what to do with articles like this one. I favor matching all content on Wikipedia with a citation to a third party source. Sometimes pop culture bloggers review these kinds of things.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  14:07, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Tamil language sourcing?
Hi guys! I was wondering if anyone could do a search for Tamil language sourcing for the article Jumbulingam 3D. I found two reviews, enough for it to squeak by NFILM, but it could definitely stand to have a search done for any foreign language sourcing, given that the film isn't in English. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:04, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Two biographies on the same person?
I have come across two biographies, namely Rama Devi (Orissa politician) and Ramadevi Choudhury. Are they the same person? Perhaps they should be merged. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 00:51, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Pinging editors involved in the two articles; §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:55, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Clearly the same person. I've redirected and copied across the extra sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:14, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Pinarayi Vijayan
Kerala's new CM, P. Vijayan's article has his birthday listed as 21 March 1944. But according to a news report today As per official records, the senior marxist leader said his birthday was on March 21, 1944. But his correct birth date was May 24, 1945, he said, adding, he was not going to change the official records. Which one should we go by? Accuracy or official records? The Masked Man of Mega Might (talk) 07:38, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Mention both dates. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:23, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I added a footnote. The Masked Man of Mega Might (talk) 10:59, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Sarbjit edits
Hi, guys there are i think dubious sources claiming "unconfirmed sources " confirming he was a "spy" makes no sense and belongs to wp:fringe until some good sources are found my edits have been reverted without any discussion would be right if some one take this over, atleast remove fringe theories supported by newspapers --Shrikanthv (talk) 16:44, 22 May 2016 (UTC)


 * This likely refers to Sarabjit Singh which states According to unconfirmed Indian sources, Singh had been a spy for the Indian Research and Analysis Wing intelligence agency and had been working undercover in Pakistan. The Masked Man of Mega Might (talk) 12:29, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Probably yes, but then the same citations also say that this unconfirmed Indian source was a senior Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) official and later became the external intelligence agency’s chief.—  Trip Wire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ʞlɐʇ 16:05, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


 * hi this is getting too much into the zone of firnge stories refer to wp:fringe, i think the whole data should be removed unless some concrete stuff is found --Shrikanthv (talk) 07:41, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Train-the-Trainer 2016: Event details and invitation to apply
Greetings from CIS-A2K,

It gives us great pleasure to inform that the Train-the-Trainer 2016 programme organised by CIS-A2K is going to be held from 15-17 June, Bangalore.

Train-the-Trainer programme was conceptualised in order to bridge the gap between wiki volunteers/enthusiasts who would like to conduct off reach activities and have been discouraged due to non availability of resources and support. The three day residential event will include presentations by the participants regarding a plan to improve their wiki-projects, expert sessions about conducting effective outreach activities, best practices from the global wiki communities, revised grant structure of WMF, activities to understand WMF strategy and vision, understanding global metrics and coming up with a concrete plan by participants in association with A2K to improve their wiki-projects.

A2K invites Wikimedians to apply for this programme. Participants will be selected based on their on wiki and off wiki activities and their responses to the questions asked in the Google form. Selected participants are required to finish pre-work assigned to them without fail. Please fill the Google form given below and write to us at tanveer@cis-india.org, tito@cis-india.org and rahim@cis-india.org for more details.

Regards, --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:37, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: Last year when I was working on this project I found some of you had this question, so let me try to clarify: travel and accommodation will be provided to Indian participants. --Tito Dutta (talk) 18:43, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Apologies, the dates for Train-the-Trainer 2016 have slightly been changed (we have made changes in the message above), the event will be held on 15-17 June 2016 in Bangalore.
 * CIS-A2K would like to groom new leadership and sustain existing initiatives in the community. In order to fulfil this objectives, preference will be given to Wikimedians who are applying for the first time.Please fill this form if you have not done yet. Please keep on checking the event page for further updates or contact tanveer@cis-india.org, rahim@cis-india.org or me at tito@cis-india.org --Tito Dutta (talk) 09:22, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Request for Assistance - Towns, Villages or other Places
I am working my way through the list of Indian Mutiny VC Recipients and filling in the gaps where unit names have been misspelled or names of towns, villages or other places of action have been entered into Wikipedia incorrectly or incompletely. My intention is to ensure that this page and the pages of the recipients do not contain any inaccurate, mis-attributed, misleading or missing data.

If anyone is able to help me locate the following towns/villages (that I suspect have been renamed over time) so I can correctly add this information to this page and the respective pages of the VC recipient involved I would be very grateful.
 * Boursekee Chowkee
 * Chichumbah
 * Choorpoorah
 * Jeerum
 * Kewane Trans-Gogra - It should be near Kanpur, but Gogra is in Jharkhand and Bihar too
 * Khodagunge - Located - now named Khudaganj Exemplo347 (talk) 20:14, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Khurkowdah - Located - now named Kharkhoda (Haryana)
 * Kurereha - I believe that this is the village of Karariya Exemplo347 (talk) 13:32, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Kuthirga
 * Maylah Ghat - Located - Uttar Pradesh near Ghaghra River
 * Meangunge
 * Mundisore - Located - now named Mandsaur, Madhya Pradesh
 * Mungulwar - Located - now named Mangalwar, Rajasthan
 * Peroo - Located - now named Piro, Bhojpur
 * Seerporah - Probably Siripoor, Telangana
 * Shunsabad - now called Shamsabad,_Farrukhabad Exemplo347 (talk) 12:35, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Suhejnee - I believe that this may be the village of Sahejani, located near Piro, Bhojpur

Thanks in advance Exemplo347 (talk) 19:13, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Give me sometime and I would try help you.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   12:38, 24 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thankyou Exemplo347 (talk) 12:43, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Here's my attempt:

utcursch &#124; talk 21:15, 24 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Vin09 and utcursch I'd like to thank you for your help so far.Exemplo347 (talk) 00:05, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Nagapuram
What is the Telugu name?Xx236 (talk) 10:47, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You want meaning or native_name in infobox?-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   11:06, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Both if possible plus interwiki. Anything to make the page interesting.Xx236 (talk) 11:08, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Nagapur, Medak mandal - what is the difference between Nagapur and Nagapuram?Xx236 (talk) 11:27, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Similar Kotha Cheruvukommu Palem.Xx236 (talk) 11:25, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Power cut, so delay in reply. There are 3 Nagapurs located in three different mandals of the same district. Also, it slightly disambiguates Nagpur. About Kotha Cheruvukommu Palem, looking after it.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   15:36, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I found no reference for Kotha_Cheruvukommu_Palem. So edit a bit and left as unsourced.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   15:57, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Regarding the Admiral of the Fleet of the Indian Navy awarded by User:Anir1uph
I have recently come across the User Page of User:Strike Eagle. I observed that the "Admiral of the fleet of the Indian Navy" was awarded to StrikeEagle by. But it is completely against the Indian laws. It is a direct mention to the highest Indian Naval rank Admiral of the fleet of the Indian Navy, which can't be done, unless the rank is conferred. As per the constitution of India, the service ranks are to be granted by the President of India only. Unless the rank is granted, it must not be mentioned elsewhere. I have asked the User:Anir1uph to remove the same, but the user denied to do so. So I am approaching this Wiki-Project India talk page to suggest necessary solution to this. Discussion to remove on User's talk page. KC Velaga  ☚╣✉╠☛  11:26, 25 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Please see WP:CENSORED. Any such Indian laws do not apply here. The Masked Man of Mega Might (talk) 13:23, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It is also quite clearly humorous, in the sense that nobody involved actually believes that the rank of admiral has been granted to anybody. You would do well to drop this issue, there isn't much to be gained by raising a hue and cry over it. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:24, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I am literally in tears now, been laughing so hard. I really needed this. Thank you! Anir1uph &#124; talk &#124; contrib 16:50, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * If someone barnstars me as President of India could I then legitimately confer the "title" of Admiral of the fleet of the Indian Navy on Strike Eagle? As others have said, KCV, you will get nowhere with this. You'd have more success reporting things that people call me. - Sitush (talk) 19:23, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Selina Sharma
Any thoughts on the notability of this person? Not sure what coverage would be expected of someone like this if notable. Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:27, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Recurrent issue: School lists
Indian articles are spread across with various types of school-lists and I thought maybe we should draw a consensus to bring uniformity in them. We have various lists with varied scopes and title formats like "List of schools in [town/state]", "List of educational institutes in [town/state]", "List of education institutes of [town/state]", " List of educational institutions in [town/state]", "List of schools and colleges in [town/state]", "List of educational facilities in [town/state]", "List of institutions of higher education in [town/state]", " List of universities and colleges in [town/state]", " List of universities and higher education colleges in [town/state]", "List of colleges in [town/state]" and probably more. This is talk about generic educational scope. We also have such lists forked out per the subject they provide education in. We need to bring uniformity over here. We have strictly been following that only blue-linked institutes be listed on such lists and that has helped in curtailing these lists and keeping them short. Over years I have boldly gone and merged many "town" lists into "state" lists. And I feel that we should get rid of all other formats and keep only "List of educational institutes in state" as basic format. It should be forked into "List of educational institutes in town" only as per our WP:CFORK criteria and WP:SIZERULE. Lets discuss this through and then see if an RFC is required to be raised. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {Talk / Edits} 11:51, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * One of the issue which I too faced. I support your advice but needs others users also to express their own opinion. I would recommend List of educational institutes in state and also List of educational institutes in city is better. A city is more developed than a town. In this also, there should be list of larger cities.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   12:30, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm a little hesitant to even get into this process, just because there are literally millions of schools that need to be sorted. My instinct is to start with state articles, and have subsidiary articles for cities within each state as dictated by the size rules, and break them down within a city as needed. What is certain is that List of schools in India is quite useless. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:48, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I took a limited approach to this a few months ago, concentrating on existing lists for Mumbai, Pune etc. I think there is some discussion in the archives. IIRC, it was me who began the process of removing redlinks etc - I'm pleased if others are at least agreeing with that but, really, in the ideal world (which is a parallel universe to Wikipedia), I'd prefer to see all such lists deleted and just stick with categorisation. It won't work because inclusionists, especially from the Article Rescue Squadron, insist that pretty much everything that can be categorised should have a corresponding list. - Sitush (talk) 19:26, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I prefer Sitush's way of letting them stay in categories. I have practically blanked List of educational institutions in Dharmapuri. But he points out the problem aptly. Even after this AfD, the inclusionists couldn't bother changing the article even a bit! §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:05, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * There is also another set of article under titles "List of college affiliated with [University_name]" and its variants. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:50, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Problematic articles of a blocked user.
I just came across some BLPs which were created by the user Drkyt, who is now blocked. There seems to be a few issues regarding them.

Firstly, most of them might fail to meet the notability. e.g. P. P. Singh, A. S. Dalal, V. K. Agarwal, H. L. Verma, Amar Singh (Historian), M. S. Maan & Mamta Joshi don't seem notable. Their articles are also solely based on primary sources and contain unsourced claims.

Secondly, there's fabrication/falsification of sources. e.g. all the references of M. S. Maan mention his name as 'Mohinder Lal'. Similarly, 9 out of the total 10 references of Harbajan Singh Vedi don't even mention him. And the remaining one source just gives a passing mention of him. Thus nearly all of the article's claims regarding Vedi might be fictional.

So, it will be better if some experienced user(s) can scrutinize the above mentioned articles. BTW, here is the list of his twenty-odd articles. - NitinMlk (talk) 03:37, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * This is very likely the same as which was created right after the above account was blocked. THat one's blocked too, so there's very likely another account right now. Serial copyright violator. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  05:39, 30 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for having a look at the above issue. All of the names mentioned by me have virtually no coverage by the secondary sources. Hopefully someone with proper understanding of WP:BLPNOTE will nominate some/all of them for deletion. - NitinMlk (talk) 18:37, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Auto-assessment of article classes
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Need help from someone who understands Sanskrit
Hi, there is a deletion discussion going on about Udaiyaathathu. If there is somebody here who understands Sanskrit, could you please help assess whether or not "udaiyaathathu" is correctly spelled. That is, if it is a sanskrit word in the first place of course... Thanks! - HyperGaruda (talk) 05:59, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Train-the-Trainer 2016 updates
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Krishna Kumar Srivastava
Hey all, anyone know whether or not Krishna Kumar Srivastava might be notable? I suspect the article's creator has a COI based on some other editing he has done, and I think he might be here to promote friends/proteges in his theatre group. Any help anyone can provide, like reviewing references and figuring out if the subject meets the WP:GNG would be appreciated. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:37, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

RfD on Hindi redirect
this RfD is on a Hindi redirect to Kalki Koechlin, but there's a problem which has arisen in the discussion where WP:INDICSCRIPT is conflicting with the main WP:MOS. The stopgap to keep the redir is that the Hindi name has been added to the infobox, but people not in a project making decisions that affect a project without input from the project sounds problematic to me, so I wanted to make you all aware of it, especially because the stopgap seems to be contrary to usual practice (today's FA Sonam Kapoor, for example). MSJapan (talk) 17:03, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * If India is an example of good practice, भारत गणराज्य redirects there but only appears in the article as a transliteration. Siuenti (talk) 17:29, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Why do we need devanagri redirects anyway? Are there people out there who can only type the devanagari for Kalki Koechlin or Bharat Ganarajya but are then able and happy to read an article written completely in English? This makes no sense to me whatsoever. --regentspark (comment) 19:05, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That was the substance of my argument, actually. MSJapan (talk) 20:37, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:RFOREIGN. Uanfala (talk) 22:08, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Uanfala. But that's an essay and it confabulates foreign language with foreign scripts. Clearly, some foreign language words should have appropriate redirects but I don't see much point in redirecting the devanagri of kalki koechlin to her article. Would someone actually be searching for her name in devanagri? It is also instructive that the only example of a foreign script redirect is the hebrew for cookie monster. The hebrew word is Oogifletzet or something like that, not merely a rewrite of Cookie Monster in Hebrew. That does make a little sense because it is conceivable that a Hebrew speaker may not know the English equivalent. But exactly the same word? --regentspark (comment) 00:11, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think I'd be able to derive "Kalki Koechlin" from "कल्की केकलां", transcriptions aren't "rewrites". Redirects from foreign scripts might not be common for Indian ones (there are for example only about 200 categorised Hindi ones), but they're generally common (see for example Category:Redirects from Russian-language terms). Yes, RFOREIGN is just an essay and only points out that such redirects are acceptable (as opposed to recommended), and yes, the categories only demonstrate that the practice is widespread elsewhere. Of course, this project is free to chose its own guidelines, and I'm not trying to argue for or against, I was just giving a short answer to a question. If it were up to me, the job done by these foreign-language redirects would probably be handled in wikidata and not here. Uanfala (talk) 00:48, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Reportedly haunted
While the Category:Reportedly haunted locations in India was at CFD, I remember having populated the category to include some beach also which is now not in the category. (a) I think there is some tool somewhere to check past articles in a category. Where can I find it? (b) To not repeat it again, I would prefer to mention these places in some article in prose or list format. As the list is not quite large I don't think List of reportedly haunted locations in India is needed yet unlike how other countries have. So where can we add this? §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:38, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Talk:List of current members of the Rajya Sabha
Need opinions at Talk:List of current members of the Rajya Sabha in adding full list of members.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   15:40, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Catch News?
Hey all, anyone have any thoughts about Catch News as a reference? I keep seeing it pop up lately in film articles, but I don't think I've ever seen it prior to about 2 months ago. (Note: I've opened this same discussion at the ghost town at WT:ICTF to get more input.) Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:27, 12 June 2016 (UTC)


 * It's a fairly acceptable source on par with other Indian news outlets. It is owned by the Rajasthan Patrika group, and has editorial control (Shoma Chaudhury was its editor until February, not sure who occupies the post now). utcursch &#124; talk 14:13, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * , I appreciate your input, thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:56, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Mohammed Nisham

 * Is the person notable? Interwiki?
 * Internal links are needed.

Xx236 (talk) 12:44, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Zakhm
There is a page for a Zakhm (1989 film) starring Neelam. Neelam Kothari's page lists a 1990 film called Zakhm, but links to a 1998 film by that name. Has anyone seen one or all of these films? Are they the same, and if so, when was it made? Thank you film buffs. Mannanan51 (talk) 03:41, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

I looked up IMDB for the movie and found this Zakhm (1989). There is only one such movie by Neelam released in 1989. kilingar (talk) 14:49, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Citing information obtained through RTI application
How to cite the information that is obtained by filing a RTI (Right of Information) application in India. About RTI: Right to Information Act was passed by the Indian Government in 2005 to make the information about the functioning and on going and happened scenarios in the Government available to the public that can de-classified. If we file an application through (https://rtionline.gov.in), the respective government department releases the information to the applicant after some formalities. As this information is true, it can be used to develop several articles on Wikipedia regarding India. My question is how can one cite this information?



KC Velaga ☚╣✉╠☛  02:27, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I am not sure of the exact procedures and if there exists any specific templates for this all. But you may start with a note on the talk writing about the content of the subject RTI. You may also send the RTI file to WP:OTRS and then OTRS volunteers will come to the article's talk page with the standard template giving notice of the OTRS number; for example like its present at Talk:Details of a Sunset. You may then ask the volunteer who placed the OTRS notice on talk page to verify that the OTRS does contain information that you previously had posted on the talk page. I have previously seen OTRS being referred to as a reference within an article just like any other normal external link. But that’s a rare things and I can't find out any example now. Try looking for that and then you can give an in-line reference too. But even with that I would prefer a simple note on talk page and OTRS volunteer's verification of that note as OTRS isn't accessible to all. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * On which talk page should I start the note about it? KC Velaga  ☚╣✉╠☛  11:41, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * On the talk page of the article where you want to use the information. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * This is potentially very dodgy territory. WP:PRIMARY certainly applies and I am concerned that information which is released would most likely be tailored very specifically to the questions asked, which could significantly skew results. I would be extremely reluctant to see direct RTI-based sourcing on Wikipedia. - Sitush (talk) 15:27, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * RTIs shouldn't be used directly, OTRS or otherwise, but they can be used if reported by secondary sources (case in point is the national game listing on India.) &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  15:31, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * My reply to the question was purely theoretical. I have no idea what Krishna intends to use it for. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:43, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I have filed an RTI Application to obtain the list of Vice Chief of Army Staffs of Indian Army for the improvement of article - Vice Chief of Army Staff (India). Now how should I cite the information after I have edited the source. Please see the links for Application and official reply letter from Indian Army Headquarters. RTI Application Reply Letter. I have some other information that I have obtained through RTI applications, now my question is how do I cite such information. KC Velaga  ☚╣✉╠☛  09:52, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Consider options to host files like this at the Internet Archive. The Internet Archive will host any files which you have the right to share, regardless of the copyright of those files. With government documents in India, a person making an RTI might not get copyright to those files, but still, the purpose of RTI is to grant a right to share and discuss the content. In Wikimedia projects the legal and social infrastructure to keep files like that is not available, but I think in Internet Archive, they host such things. It might be worthwhile to check there if you are interested, and ask what their community thinks.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  14:04, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * That's fine. But will I be able to cite it in the article and is it a acceptable source as per Wiki guidelines? KC Velaga  ☚╣✉╠☛  14:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The answer to that is unrelated to the upload. The relevant policy is WP:PRIMARY and not doing original research on Wikipedia. If, for example, you did an RTI to find that it cost 10 crore to remodel a railway station, then Wikipedia still would not allow reporting that information unless a journalist or research first published the topic. It is not allowed to present primary information on Wikipedia in an attempt to make it seem more significant.
 * Some time ago I found legal documents from the Devyani Khobragade incident and tried to share those on Wikipedia. Many people objected that by sharing the original legal documents, that is like a sort of journalism, and not appropriate for Wikipedia. That was not my intent but maybe it was a problem, and it was a sensitive issue. It takes thought and care to share primary documents without being biased.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  15:01, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Now what would you suggest me to do? KC Velaga  ☚╣✉╠☛  15:05, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

I think what User:Bluerasberry said might work. Use Internet archive and link them using reference.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   15:10, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

It depends on how much time you have and what your goal is. There probably will be no quick answer for you anywhere. I suggest doing one thing as an example then asking again for review and support. So far as I know, no one in all of India has ever tried to cite a document from RTI on Wikipedia. It seems like an interesting thing to do with historical significance, and I think a lot of people in Wikipedia would like to see someone try to do this in the right way.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  15:13, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) If you have a goal of sharing documents online, then I think the quickest and easiest way to do that is Internet Archive, but ask their community first
 * 2) If your goal is connecting the documents you share to Wikipedia articles, then I think the fastest way to do that is by links to the Internet Archive files where they are uploaded. This at least connects Wikipedia and those files
 * 3) If you want basic facts in Wikipedia articles from these files, then you might try sharing a few, then discussing again when you have live examples. There are lots of things that you might share, but it is hard to discuss this without seeing the files you got through RTI and what you want to share
 * 4) In the most complicated case, the documents from RTI would need interpretation. If that is so, then the files need to be uploaded, then you would have to get a journalist, researcher, or respected blogger to review them. Then you could summarize their review in Wikipedia, which is allowed, so that you are not citing the RTI-given documents directly.
 * (ec)I think it depends on what you want to cite. Assuming that all documents released under RTI are primary sources, you can only use them to support assertions of fact. For example, if a document from the Bridge Construction Authority says "the bridge was constructed at a cost of Rs. 2 billion", you could say "According to the Bridge Construction Authority, the cost of the bridge was Rs. 2 billion". You cannot assert that the bridge cost Rs. 2 billion without the according to part unless you find a reliable secondary source that verifies the Rs. 2 billion. And, if a reliable secondary source exists that says that the bridge actually cost Rs. 4 billion, then you shouldn't use the primary source number at all. And, I would not suggest creating articles that are based entirely on primary sources. If no reliable secondary source has covered a topic, then it is likely not notable. --regentspark (comment) 15:16, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * and Please see the example of Vice Chief of Army Staff of Indian Army before the first out-dent in this discussion. I have also linked the files there and you check that for an example  KC Velaga  ☚╣✉╠☛  00:29, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd say it is citable as a source for the names of the Vice Chiefs of Staff if you can host the document somewhere. Useful information that wouldn't be otherwise available so thank you. --regentspark (comment) 13:58, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * This is great! Vice Chief of Army Staff (India) would be a great article to add the names in this list you have. In 2010 I looked everywhere in libraries to try to find any record of the people who held top Indian government posts. I failed - I searched databases, books, and asked whatever librarians and professors that I could. Websites did not have the information and it seemed impossible to get. It seems that with RTI you have found the way to get this information, and maybe publish it and make it available for the first time ever. Yes, non-controversial data like this can be listed in Wikipedia. Cite the letter and add the names. Wow!  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  14:43, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Your request form looks so easy - maybe I should try it with the government posts on my list... I wonder if I can, being American?  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  14:45, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank You, I also the have the list of Vice Chiefs of Navy and Air Force and Quarter Master Generals, Military Secretaries and Adjutant Generals and many other lists and information. I am ready to add the data but the problem is I am not sure that if this is valid reference. So, I have started this discussion. I fear that if that is not a valid source and what if it is tagged for cleanup? And Thank You for interest in using the RTI act but as of now as per Section 3 of RTI Act, 2005, the facility is extended only to the citizens of India. You will need to provide the proof of citizenship after you have filed the application. KC Velaga  ☚╣✉╠☛  02:33, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you all for your suggestions. Can anyone provide me a pointed, acceptable and final solution to this? KC Velaga  ☚╣✉╠☛  01:19, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I am very sorry, but I am unable to look more into this right now because I have limited time online until July. I would like to participate more in July or later. I support the idea of citing these. In the simplest case, they could be cited with only a name of the document and a link to its online version archived anywhere else online. If it is possible to include other information, including publishing agency or government office, authors, and dates, then that would be helpful. I regret that I cannot do more right now.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  09:07, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * for sharing your opinion.  KC Velaga  ☚╣✉╠☛  10:46, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Earth India 2016
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Bharat Ratna FAC
Almost two years since the article achieved its GA status, I have nominated it as a featured article candidate. Hope to receive some comments and feedback for its betterment. Feel free to drop in at the nomination. - <span style="color:#808080;font-size:15px;font-family:'Georgia, serif';font-style: italic;font-weight: bold;">Vivvt ( Talk ) 18:06, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Proposal for the creation of Indian military workgroup
I propose for the creation of Indian military work-group to exclusively deal with the topics related to Indian Armed Forces. Indian Armed Forces have good significance in the country and are one of the most important organisations of the government. Please share your opinion regarding this. KC Velaga ☚╣✉╠☛  11:01, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * How many editors are willing to join it; not for the sake of just naming but to seriously work on it? And why is there a need for a work-group in the first place? §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:38, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Swami Nithyananda
I've opened an RfC here that may be of interest to this WikiProject. About half the article (a BLP) seems to be criticism/controversy, which seems a bit off. I know nothing about the topic, so hopefully some of you do. Cheers. Timothy Joseph Wood 19:34, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Promotion in College articles
Just came across S.R. Institute of Management & Technology. The "Infrastructure" section lists things like Smart Classrooms, Advance Computing Centre, Placement Cell etc. which make the whole article very promotional in nature. Should such material be removed or is it appropriate to list it?--Skr15081997 (talk) 10:42, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Removed! WP:BOLD §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:40, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Our college articles tend to get filled with crap very quickly. I have to regularly remove copyvios of website material from even IIM-A that can be traced back to the institute IPs. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  11:33, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed that this is a huge problem. Is there any sort of outline or template article that shows what should (and shouldn't) be included in college articles? AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 02:11, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

WikiConference India 2016 - Call for papers/abstracts
Hello, Here is an important update from WikiConference India 2016. The call for abstracts/proposals for WikiConference India opens today. If you are interested to submit your paper, please do so. To know more details please check this page. If you have question(s), please ask us here. Thanks and regards. -- WikiConference India 2016 organizing team sent using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:49, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Indian culture in Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan
Dear person of interest of this topic, Can anyone find reliable sources about the Indian civilation in Merv, Turkmenistan at Kyz Qala and Uzbekistan, Samarkand who have buddist, hindu statues, can you find it? I find it important for the West Indian civilisation, the utter west north Indian civilisation must be sourced by someone and created by very intelligent Indian or foreigner wikipedia user what excisted there. It would like be a dream come true for all north Indians if the Indian hindu buddistic statues that are there would be contributed to the Indian civilisation and ancient Indian north west empire dynasties. Can someone had Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan history wikipedia ancient past to an Indian civilisation also on the wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.56.86.118 (talk) 17:27, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Letter case problem
Many India-related pages contain letter case errors. I believe that basic informations about letter case should be summarized to help new editors. Maybe a template similar to Template:Welcome would be useful for non-native speakers from Indiia.Xx236 (talk) 07:34, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support: for village/town/city names; government agencies, roads and railway station related pages etc are a few of them.--  Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   08:22, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Award ribbons in infobox
Hey all, I posted this query at WikiProject Biography, but thought I'd ask here: I'm curious if there's existing consensus for usage of award ribbons in biographical infoboxes. I notice a number of biographies on Indian people that contain some version of the following:


 * awards     = IND Padma Vibhushan BAR.png Padma Vibhushan 2015 IND Padma Bhushan BAR.png Padma Bhushan 1991 Order of Excellence Nishan-e-Imtiaz.png Nishan-e-Imtiaz 1997

It's not exactly widespread, (about of the Padma Bhushan ribbon as of this note) but before I remove them I wanted to see if this is normal. I don't recognize it as the norm, and it tends to draw undue attention to some awards over others. Any comments? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:42, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It's there on Bharat Ratna awardees too, I personally find these ribbons to be an eyesore but I don't know what the norms are here so I've left them as is in the past. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  16:01, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

News crawler down?
Hey guys, I just went to use the newspaper search and it looks like it's down. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:38, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I noticed this a couple of days ago. I shoulda said something. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:11, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Try this -> "http://searchindiannews.in/?ckattempt=1#gsc.tab=0".-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   06:46, 28 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Sweet, looks like that one works! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  07:32, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

FYI: India quiz
Portal:India/Quiz was dormant for several weeks. We are trying to resume it.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:16, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Opinions are invited...
...at Templates_for_discussion/Log/2016_July_1. I have nominated this for deletion once again; the previous one was closed with nobody besides myself commenting, so getting more eyes on this would be excellent. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 14:17, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Indian Empire. (British Raj)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have found infoboxes of articles relating to Indians born during the British Raj saying 'Born: British India'. However, it must be noted that India was officially known as the Indian Empire during British Governance from 1857 to 1947. Passports to all citizens were issued under the state 'Indian Empire'. This article: British Indian passport confirms it. The article contains images of the passport issued during the time. Another source to establish this is cited.

Active participation is invited in this discussion, so that we arrive at a consensus soon and replace the term 'British India' in the infoboxes with the official name, which was Indian Empire. (i.e, born 'RESPECTIVE State/Presidency', Indian Empire). PaachuvumKovaalanum (talk) 11:05, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately neither an image of a passport nor an e-study guide qualify as reliable sources. Please see the discussion here as well. --regentspark (comment) 11:14, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * As RegentsPark points out, consensus was already reached after exhaustive discussion among users who were well aware of the existence of the "British Indian Empire" passport. These terms are quite simple, though their incorrect use causes much confusion.  British Indian Empire was the formal name for India under the British Raj.  It was not used in all contexts, and in formal contexts, it came to be used only after 1876, when Queen Victoria was crowned Empress of India, not in 1858, when the British Raj began (at the end of the Indian Rebellion).  The common contemporaneous term for India under the British Raj was simply "India."
 * India under the British Raj consisted of two regions (a) British India = Presidencies and provinces of British India = regions directly administered by the British. Cities such as Bombay, Calcutta, or Madras, belonged to British India;  (b) Princely states = regions nominally ruled by Indian rulers under the suzerainty of the British, i.e. only indirectly ruled by the British.  Cities such as Jaipur or Mysore belonged to Princely States.  In the case of Nehru, who was born in Allahabad, which was in UP=United Provinces of Agra and Oudh, and directly administered by the British, we can say, "Nehru was born in Allahabad, British India,"  but in the case of Gandhi, who was born in Porbandar, a princely state, we cannot say: "Gandhi was born in Porbandar, Kathiawar Agency, British India;"  however, we can say either "Gandhi was born in Porbandar, Kathiawar Agency, British Indian Empire  or, my preference, simply, "Gandhi was born in Porbandar, Kathiawar Agency, India  The term "Indian Empire," is ambiguous, as it can refer to earlier empires, such as Sikh Empire, Maratha Empire, etc.   Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  13:21, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I am happy to endorse that. I would also add that in no case should we say "Indian Empire", notwithstanding the said passport, because it is not a WP:COMMONNAME in today's society and literature. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:17, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * In fact, British India and British Indian Empire are the only links we need, as discriminated by Fowler&fowler's explanation. No other links are necessary. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:13, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I am sort of late on this, but if someone was born in the Dominion of India, would simply India be suitable or would it have to be India ? Generally, I notice that in other articles, it links to the specific era of the country (E.g. Aryeh Neier). Wouldn't it be fine if it was just Germany at that article instead of Nazi Germany since Berlin is today and was then still part of what is called "Germany" and because the information at the Germany article is not restricted to just the modern Federal Republic of Germany but also to states from the past? Filpro (talk) 05:07, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Punjab Edit-a-thon : WikiConference India 2016
Hello Greetings from WikiConference India team.

An edit-a-thon is being conducted with an aim to create or improve articles related to Punjab. This edit-a-thon is a part of WikiConference India 2016. You and your community are cordially invited to join this edit-a-thon as participants or co-ordinators. This will be our gift for the Chandigarh team which is hosting us for the conference. The community that adds most number of words or bytes to the articles will be awarded a trophy during the conference!

Participate or learn more here.

Thank you. -- WikiConference India team (Discuss) sent using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:15, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


 * The event page is at WikiProject India/Events/Punjab Edit-a-thon. --Tito Dutta (talk) 12:42, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Saarah Hameed Ahmed (2nd nomination)
This is an AfD about a subject claiming to be the first Indian Muslim woman commercial pilot. I would be glad if someone from India can participate. I personally am unclear about some of the claims so if someone can look more into non-English sources and help out, that would be great as well. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 05:58, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Wrote a note at the AfD. Yes, she might be the first+indian+muslim+woman+commercial-pilot, but isn't first+indian+muslim+woman+pilot. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:40, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I looked more into reliable sources and couldn't find anything to even support "first+indian+muslim+woman+commercial-pilot". The reliable sources simply claim that "at present, she is the only known Muslim woman commercial pilot employed in the aviation sector in India". --Lemongirl942 (talk) 06:01, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Indo-Bangladesh joint film production article
Please see: Talk:Indo-Bangladesh joint production

Thank you, all.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:23, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Help finding sources?
I was wondering if anyone could look for Hindi language sources for an actress, Ishita Ganguly. The article was turned into a redirect after an AfD, but it seems like there should be more coverage out there - likely not in English. I was able to find some coverage, but it's predominantly for her show Shastri Sisters.

Can anyone do a search and see if you can find anything else? There's a new editor that's interested in helping, but I wanted to get some help from here as well, just in case. I also wanted to introduce Singh to this board, so they know that it's here. I have a draft started at User:Tokyogirl79/Ishita Ganguly if anyone wants to pitch in or see what we have so far. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:45, 6 July 2016 (UTC) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/hindi/Ishita-Ganguly-to-enter-Ishq-Ka-Rang-Safed/articleshow/51925954.cms http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/hindi/Ishita-Ganguly-FB-helped-me-bag-the-role/articleshow/38605823.cms http://us.makemefeed.com/2015/10/14/ishita-ganguly-to-enter-tu-mera-hero-365189.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shilam singh (talk • contribs) 02:01, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Resurrecting an article
Hii, Good evening.I ask you for your precious help to resurrect the page Keshav Mahavidyalaya, about a college of Delhi University. As recent deletions has left the page in pathetic condition. I ask for guidance and editing to help recreate it with some topics and suggestions. Thanks in advance😃 Cheers Deepanshu (talk) 12:22, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Edit warring at Template:Infobox Indian political party and Template:Infobox Indian political party/doc
There's an edit war going on at these two locations regarding including/excluding state seats. I'm inclined to full protect the template but bringing it here so that interested editors can discuss on the talk page and arrive at a consensus. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  15:37, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Discussion begun here. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:26, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

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Help with articles?
Hi! I'm writing here for a bit of help again. We have a new editor who has been creating some of pages around Dutta families and I think that there's a high chance that he's a part of these families, although I'm not entirely certain. In any case, at least one of the articles he's written is clearly non-notable, as it's a self-published book, and the others look non-notable offhand since they're based almost entirely on self-published sources (such as the one non-notable book). One of the articles is up for AfD at Articles for deletion/Dutta Chaudhuri Chronicles and is almost certainly going to be deleted, but I'd like someone to take a look at the other articles just in case there's more coverage in another language.

The articles are as follows:


 * Srimanta Dutta Chaudhury
 * Dutta Vansa Mala Update: redirected
 * Dutta Chaudhuri Chronicles (up for AfD)
 * Andul Dutta Chaudhury Family
 * Akshay Chandra Chaudhury

I'm also concerned that he's trying to insert the self-published source into other articles like he did with this edit. It also looks like they tried to add various other SPS into the article for Basanta Choudhury. I've removed them, but I think that they might need someone to help guide them since I'm getting increasingly more concerned that they're here to promote this self-published work.

Some of the articles like Srimanta Dutta Chaudhury and Akshay Chandra Chaudhury look like they might pass notability guidelines, but the sourcing is incredibly poor, as it's almost entirely SPS or links to Facebook. In one article they actually try to source it with an e-mail address. I'm tempted to just take them all to AfD and let it get sorted out there, but I thought that I'd try here first just in case. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  07:30, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I've redirected Dutta Vansa Mala to Bhaktisiddhanta_Sarasvati_bibliography, since it was written by him according to the National Library. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  07:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks to Sitush for helping out! I always feel guilty when I see a new, likely foreign user doing stuff like this and don't try to get help from the appropriate WP first, so I'm glad to have you help out! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  07:55, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

New contributor help needed
has twice inserted copyright violations at Baisla. I reverted both and left the standard templates. I'm not 100% sure that the source of the copied content is reliable, otherwise I might have paraphrased it. They then returned with some more information and provided three citations but none appear to be reliable. I reverted again and left a note. If I leave any more comments on their talk page then I think they're going to get very fed up of me, and if they try again any time soon then both of us will likely go over 3RR. Is anyone willing to intervene and perhaps explain things to them? - Sitush (talk) 16:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Are Bhashe dialect
Or is that Arebhashe dialect or Arebashe dialect?

I have no idea what the correct speeling is. I reverted some edits changing text from speeling like the title of the page, then noticed inconsistent speeling throughout the page. Hopefully someone here may be able to enlighten on this issue? --220  of  Borg 10:54, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I see one google scholar hit for Arebashe and two for Are Bhashe . Bhashe is most likely the word for "language" (cf. bhāṣā). Uanfala (talk) 13:57, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If ಅರೆ ಭಾಷೆ is correct then it would be Bhashe as ಬ is "ba" and ಭ is "bha". That said, transliterations of Dravidian languages isn't often as direct as there are a lot of loan or derived words from Sanskrit and this is likely one of those, which means "bha" is more likely. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  14:55, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Benares College
Which institution would have been known as Benares College in 1878? I suspect Benares Sanskrit University because the Benares Hindu University didn't exist then. However, the BSU article seems to say that all faculty would be familiar with Sanskrit but my man - John Nesfield - almost certainly was not and he doesn't appear in that article's list of principals even though he certainly was principal of Benares College. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 02:53, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Answered my own question, thanks. It is BSU - which means the BSU article is wrong! - Sitush (talk) 05:40, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

 Blue Rasberry  (talk)  13:29, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

India outlines
The main outline of India is Outline of India.

Work is underway to build an outline on each state of India. Here's a list showing which ones have been created (blue) so far and which ones have not (red):


 * 1) Outline of Andhra Pradesh
 * 2) Outline of Arunachal Pradesh
 * 3) Outline of Assam
 * 4) Outline of Bihar
 * 5) Outline of Chhattisgarh
 * 6) Outline of Goa
 * 7) Outline of Gujarat
 * 8) Outline of Haryana
 * 9) Outline of Himachal Pradesh
 * 10) Outline of Jammu and Kashmir
 * 11) Outline of Jharkhand
 * 12) Outline of Karnataka
 * 13) Outline of Kerala
 * 14) Outline of Madhya Pradesh
 * 15) Outline of Maharashtra
 * 16) Outline of Manipur
 * 17) Outline of Meghalaya
 * 18) Outline of Mizoram
 * 19) Outline of Nagaland
 * 20) Outline of Odisha
 * 21) Outline of Punjab
 * 22) Outline of Rajasthan
 * 23) Outline of Sikkim
 * 24) Outline of Tamil Nadu
 * 25) Outline of Telangana
 * 26) Outline of Tripura
 * 27) Outline of Uttar Pradesh
 * 28) Outline of Uttarakhand
 * 29) Outline of West Bengal

More than halfway there. These serve to summarize the respective states, and they also provide a tool or menu for navigating Wikipedia's coverage of these states. The Transhumanist 00:09, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

The early 18th-century
I have been doing a little work on articles on India in the early 18th century. I came across mentions of Dilawar ‘Ali Khan (sometimes written as Sayyid Dilawar 'Ali Khan) who was a Mughal General killed in battle with Qamar-ud-din Khan, Asif Jah I in 1719 or 1720. I am trying to figure out if there is any way to find information on him beyond his death in battle. Also, I have to admit the names used in 18th-century India slightly confuse me.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:15, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Here are some references I found, . -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:32, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

List of state leaders by year
I have tried to put lots of heads of various states in what is now India onto the List of state leaders in 1759. I have well over 100. However I have done few other years, and in the 17th century there may be some years when the Mughal Emperor is not listed, and the only 3 countries listed for Asia are Japan, Korea and China. Right now for some years in the 17th and 18th century we have listed the head of every stateledt in Holy Roman Empire, but not even the largest leaders in what is now India. List of state leaders in 1719 might be an example of the disparity, but not the worst. I have done some work on this, but it would help if other people expanded these lists as well.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:20, 28 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you John Pack Lambert, this is an excellent idea and initiative. I will help with this and I hope everyone else will too. Just for reference for others, the categories Category:Lists of state leaders by year and Category:Rulers by century are starting points to work from. I agree that the 17th and 18th century are particular problems in this regard. MPS1992 (talk) 20:42, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Olympics Edit-a-ton
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Hindustan Janata Party
This article is somewhat promotional in nature, and they don't seem to meet the notability guidelines, but I thought I'd ask here before sending it to AfD. It would be particularly helpful if somebody could check Indian language media sources. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 07:37, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Punjab edit-a-thon extends till 6 August
The Punjab edit-a-thon has been extended till 6 August 2016. You can create/expand articles till 6 August. Please join now if you have not joined yet. Let me know if you have questions and thanks once again. --Tito Dutta (talk) 07:27, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

RM notification 1 August 2016
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RM notification 1 August 2016
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Hi There, I need help in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:R_Nandakumar This article is being repeatedly rejected - and the reason mentioned is: "This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability." R Nandakumar is a noted Indian art historian and cultural critic. He was granted the prestigious Senior Nehru Fellow at Teen Murti Bhawan, New Delhi. He was the first recipient of the Kesari Memorial Award Instituted by the Department of Culture, Government of Kerala in the year 2007, conferred in recognition of his contribution to the study of art and culture. Many a reputed scholars have cited his works in their articles and publications. His articles and research papers have been published by reputed magazines and publications. He has very limited online reference, however, I have made a list of citations by other reputed scholars to the likes of Christopher Pinney, with proper publication details and page number. Request your help here. Thank you, Tiru Tiru Tiru Tirutirutiru (talk) 03:13, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Missing villages assistance needed
I intended on writing an article on this missing villages in India, but was confused List of highest cities in the world. For example the first one, Takh I see two places, Takh, Maharashtra, India and Takh, Jammu and Kashmir are these two different villages? Can someone help write the articles on these towns? Valoem  talk   contrib  09:50, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

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Infobox: political parties
An IP address has been repeatedly adding "total number of state seats" parameters to this template. I have reverted them for now, as they are refusing to discuss this in any way. However, it would be good to have a substantive discussion on this, so that a firmer consensus may be reached: the discussion here only has two participants. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 10:44, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Sabareesh Prabhaker
Sabareesh Prabhaker has been nominated for deletion. More eyes on this discussion might be helpful, but it would be especially useful if somebody could sweep for sources in Indian language newspapers. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 05:46, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Gora clan
Please add reliable sources to such pages. Should I link gotra to Gotra? I don't know the subject but people who know, don't contribute. Xx236 (talk) 06:48, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I think redirect to Gotra may do.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   06:55, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I have linked gotra to Gotra. But linking clan to Clan would be controversial, because the page is too general. Is Jat people acceptable? Xx236 (talk) 07:27, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It might work.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   09:14, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

FLC review
The J. C. Daniel Award has been submitted for FLC. Need comments.--Charles Turing (talk) 15:04, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

A good news
I am very happy to inform the members of WikiProject India that in the Punjab edit-a-thon we, English Wikipedia community (India) have performed well and secured winner's trophy during Wikiconference India 2016 (see photo in thumbnail).

Now, We need to decided a couple of things, such as who'll keep this trophy? Please share your opinion here --Tito Dutta (talk) 17:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Help with Bollywood film
Hi! I'm Francesc and I'm from Valencia. Right now a Bollywood film is being recorded in my city. I've found the action and I've made photos, which will be uploaded in Commons. As far I know, this film has some stars from this country, as stated by one of the local Catalan-speaking people in the project, who helped me. I've readen in press that the films still has no name and is identifyied as "Number 8 production". I'll need help to identify the people I took pictures of. It could be that this man is Raju Sundaram? His name appeared in press. The film is produced by Namdamuri Tharaka Ramarao Arts. This woman in the cast said that the Male protagonist is this man and the female stars are these women here. I'll be uploading more pictures soon.--TaronjaSatsuma (talk) 11:57, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe Nandamuri Kalyan Ram in the picture? with the sunglasses it's difficult to know if he is.--TaronjaSatsuma (talk) 12:12, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If he is a Telugu actor, let's, who may know. --Tito Dutta (talk) 10:37, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The person with blue headband is Vennela Kishore. --Rahmanuddin Shaik (talk) 12:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank You very much. You all are welcome to check the other pictures in the category.--TaronjaSatsuma (talk) 20:50, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Renaming to Bangalore City railway station
A discussion has been initiated to rename/move the page. Kindly share your views and inputs.--βα£α(ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ) 21:23, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Articles for India without Template:WikiProject India
I notice there are a lot of articles relating to India that don't have the banner. A quick scan of Category:India stubs shows a couple hundred alone. Rather than manually add the template to each and every one, is there an easier way? Maybe a program like Twinkle that does WikiProject assessments? Or maybe some way to do a mass update? GustavoRomeo68 (talk) 21:51, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * @GustavoRomeo68, see WP:AWB. MikeLynch (talk) 08:19, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mike. It looks like I don't have enough edits to use that tool yet. It will probably be some time before I have 500 edits, likely a few weeks. So I guess for the time being I'll have to do it manually. GustavoRomeo68 (talk) 00:15, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Well good news. I may not be able to use it to edit but I was able to make a list of India related articles that aren't tagged for WP India yet. I made a list of about 5500 articles and associated talk pages in my sandbox here: User:GustavoRomeo68/sandbox. GustavoRomeo68 (talk) 01:34, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * User:GustavoRomeo68, I am a bit confused now, all the talk pages I am seeing in the list have India banner. --Tito Dutta (talk) 07:22, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Although I do see a lot of red links on that page you're right, there were a lot of a;ready tagged ones thanks. I'm still learning how things work so I'm glad you caught that. I didn't remove the lists or unassessed articles and didn't realize the the categories had some non India articles in it under religion. So those are all removed. There may still be a few strays but it should be a lot cleaner now which gets it down around 3500 instead of 5500. GustavoRomeo68 (talk) 14:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

GA Reassessment of Deogarh, Uttar Pradesh
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Why Rio Olympics 2016 Matters for India
While India struggled to win medals, ending its tally with just two medals, there had been some spectacular performances. Abhinav Bindra, Jitu Rai were only marginally short at conceiving medals, while Saina-Bopana reached till the Bronze medal match, Depika Kumari lost to the world's best. At the most, Indian Hockey contingent reached the knock-out stage after so many years.

Let us keep doing our bit, Tokoyo 2020 Olympics would definitely bring more medals to India. The India At Rio Olympics 2016 is still in progress. Let's keep building it. Thank You. --Abhinav619 (sent using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:57, 23 August 2016 (UTC))

Lakshadweep flag?
I found this at the Lakshadweep article and I don't think it's an official flag of the union territory. Could anyone give some insight? Filpro (talk) 16:42, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Discussion at ICTF re: IndiaGlitz
Hey, if anyone has any opinions about IndiaGlitz's suitability as a reference in the context of Indian film articles, you are invited to comment at this discussion. The Indian cinema task force is a bit of a ghost town, so any thoughts on the subject of reference reliability is greatly appreciated. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:06, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Alvars
Discussion started at Talk:Alvars to arrive at a consistent spelling of Alvars/Alwar/Azhwar saints. Please share your opinion.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 18:12, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

CIS-A2K Newsletter: July 2016
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Pinarayi Vijayan
Could somone who is more familiar with the local script please verify if this latest edit is accurate? The Masked Man of Mega Might (talk) 18:17, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Namaskar The Masked Man of Mega Might, and welcome to WikiProject India noticeboard. This is the person's name in Malayalam. It does not look correct, also "R" mark at the end is not necessary. --Tito Dutta (talk) 19:30, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
 * This is exactly one of the reasons why we had the WP:INDICSCRIPT discussion. MikeLynch (talk) 19:35, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Plus, as I am not fully sure, the question may also be asked at wikiml-l@undefinedlists.wikimedia.org (you need to subscribe first). --Tito Dutta (talk) 19:37, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Request for comment on grant request
This message is a sort of spam. This is the first place I am posting this message, and if I post anything similar, it would only be in 3 places maximum.

A colleague who teaches at a language institute in India is requesting a grant from the Wikimedia Foundation for USD $2000 to do a series of in-person wiki events in Delhi. I had suggested that they design a project just because I want more small wiki events to happen throughout India. I am posting here to request that anyone comment on the project proposal at The project is to bring poems of Amir Khusrow into Wikimedia projects, translate them, and to integrate the texts into Wikipedia articles including here at English Wikipedia. In general, I wish that lots of organizations around India would do more to bring classic texts into Wikimedia projects, and my wish is for this project to establish a model for other organizations to copy. Thanks for any comments - whether support or criticism - which anyone might give. If anyone knows anyone who likes to comment on these kinds of projects then please direct them to that page. Thanks.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  17:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * meta:Grants:Project/Rapid/Hindi Riddles.
 * User:Bluerasberry, thanks for notifying us about this plan. Perhaps we can do something so that such requests get more attention and our project members know about those. --Tito Dutta (talk) 19:45, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Notability of Gajendra Singh Ahlawat
Is Gajendra Singh Ahlawat notable. He appears to be the district president of some farmer's organisation and there are quite a few sources given ... but many are not in English and those that are look like they might be single-event things. I'm a little concerned that the article might exist primarily as a part of the subject's current campaign. - Sitush (talk) 12:58, 30 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Article has been sent to WP:AFD, so nothing more to do here. - Sitush (talk) 11:37, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Sri Sri Sri Guru Viswa Sphoorthi
A recently created article about an Indian yogi, full of unencyclopedic unsourced content and non-neutral language. Now I could remove approx. 95 percent of the article or even AfD it, but it would be great if someone more knowledgeable about Indian culture and religion could have a look at it first please. Is this yogi notable to begin with? Is there any chance to salvage a stub? I doubt it, but without any knowledge in the topic it's hard to tell of course. In its current form the article fails almost all of Wikipedia's content guidelines. GermanJoe (talk) 15:30, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I am doubtful about the notability of this individual. The only coverage is in a marginal newspaper, the article for which is also in rather poor shape. Vanamonde (talk) 16:21, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Article is currently discussed at AfD. Thank you for the feedback. GermanJoe (talk) 12:10, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Cults of personality
There have recently been several edits to List of cults of personality about Indian leaders. I do not feel competent to judge the POV of the edits or the quality of the sourcing. My preference for this article is to stick to academic sources that describe in detail the most infamous cases – Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ceaușescu, Duvalier, etc – yet the article seems to be growing with what I suspect may be undue emphasis. More eyes would be good. In particular, I do not know whether it is fringe to label Indian leaders as having a cult of personality. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:29, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Mother Teresa
Mother Teresa held Indian citizenship and as a result, I added the word "Indian" after "Albanian", making the two hyphenated to read "Albanian-Indian" in the lede. Mother Teresa herself stated: "By blood, I am Albanian. By citizenship, an Indian. By faith, I am a Catholic nun" (Reference). Both the Missionaries of Charity and the Indian Government identify Mother Teresa as an Indian (Reference). Despite a few references with this quote, there are some users who randomly remove her citizenship from the lede. I think to represent both points of view, having both "Albanian" and "Indian" in the lede is a good compromise. Since I am very busy in my personal life, I thought I would post this here for discussion in case others are interested. Thanks, AnupamTalk 17:09, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Comments requested please: Naming conventions for bilingual Indian films
Hi all, I'm back to discuss your favorite subject: Indian films.

Discussion here.

Short story: It seems like more Indian films are being filmed in multiple languages at once (ostensibly to avoid entertainment taxes?). There was a big kerfuffle at Talk:Baahubali about a year and a half ago because the pro-Telugu folks wanted to make it clear that this was a Telugu industry film, when the film was simultaneously produced in Telugu and Tamil.

What's the best way to deal with films like Mudinja Ivana Pudi, which appears to have been produced in Tamil and Kannada. How do we decide what the article title should be? Do we file the film under Mudinja Ivana Pudi or Kotigobba 2? Is the ethnic film "industry" that produced it a factor worth considering? Is there a smarter way to go about this? How do we present the information in the rest of the article? Input would be appreciated. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:49, 7 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Some films are produced in one language and then dubbed another. In those cases, clearly, the title can be in the language of the original production.
 * If a film is simultaneously shot in two languages (a "bilingual film") then it may be best for the page title to be in both the languages in the "X / Y" format. The ethnic film industry can give a slight edge to one language over the other, e.g., in writing "X / Y" rather than "Y / X", but banishing Y altogether from the page title can be cause for trouble. That is my opinion anyway. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:09, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * the comments would probably be better placed at the discussion that Cyphoidbomb has linked to. MikeLynch (talk) 08:12, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Also, dubs are not the issue. The concern is for films that are simultaneously filmed in different languages. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:54, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

The 10,000 Challenge
Hi, I wondered if anybody would be interested in launching The 10,000 Challenge (India) in the new year based on The 10,000 Challenge. The idea would be to make it an ongoing goal but have state contests along the way with prizes to fuel more production. Wasn't there a Bengal contest a few weeks ago? That sort of thing could all count towards the 10,000 improvement goal. I think a contest for Indian cinema might also potentially attract a lot of interest, and we could target older films and actors. If so I can help set something up later in the month but we would need somebody in India to run the contests. This sort of thing thrives on passionate editors and India seems to have them more than most countries on here!♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:02, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * This could be an incentive to improve Indian Wikipedia articles like how the Awaken the Dragon, The Anglesey-Gwynedd Challenge and The West Country Challenge have improved English and Welsh-related articles. —  Ssven2  Speak 2 me 12:34, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, prizes for most work/points. People could win books on Indian cinema/Amazon vouchers etc..♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:44, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Interesting idea. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 13:08, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I think that even simply offering barnstars and such might be sufficient incentive, and logistically easier. I do think, though, that the "improvements" are going to need a greater degree of scrutiny than the example you linked. Without making any generalizations about the editor body, this topic area has been prone in the past to SPAs, editors with agendas, and other problem children: so monitoring the improvements might be a good idea. We have plenty of decent editors, too, so I don't imagine that setting up a process that involves a little more scrutiny would be a problem. Vanamonde (talk) 17:25, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * An area such as Indian cinema, focussing on older actors/films might be very good, as you suggest. It should be a rather uncontroversial topic, at least as compared to other, more politicised topics. MikeLynch (talk) 14:41, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Well, who would like to see 1800+ changes for India like The 10,000 Challenge?♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:53, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Overlinking and overcapitalisation
I quickly review and "gnome" edit articles in certain categories (artist, writer, musician, etc) and find a lot of subcontinent-related articles with rafts of overcapping and overlinking. Occasionally I notify on an editor's talkpage, always thanking for their work, and reminding them of our guidelines.

Please note that professions and occupations are not normally linked or capitalised, even in the infobox. Nor are well-known country-names (like India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh), especially if a town or city is bunched with the country-name (maybe link the town or city only).

Years, dates, and common terms are generally not linked on the English Wikipedia.

I'm also finding an occasional tendency to pump up with the odd "peacock" wording ... "X is a popular politician", an award-winning actor. Encyclopedic style on en.WP favours a more neutral, fact-based approach.

My thanks to all here for their dedication to India-related articles, and especially those who translate from Indian languages. We're indebted to you. Tony  (talk)  08:07, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * thanks for your note. While you are quite correct in that these are common problems, I'd suggest that they are much more the product of bit-part editors unfamiliar with our guidelines (and often with an agenda of some kind), who are therefor unlikely to watch this noticeboard. It might do more good to ask the folks here to watch out for, and correct, the problems you pointed out: and I'm sure many folks are already aware of them. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 13:27, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * —Yes, indeed. Tony   (talk)  00:58, 12 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Namaste, I sometimes fix such errors. Do you have a list of, umm. . . something like "1000 articles with capitalization/overlinking" issue? --Tito Dutta (talk) 03:58, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I am gnome too. I would love to see a list like this one and fix it. and others - feel free to link to such articles from my talk page with a quick note on what should I fix and I'll do it.

Ranchordas Pagi
Can anyone check the sourcing at Ranchordas Pagi, please? In particular, the caste claim (uses a non-English source) and the statement that he was 112 when he died. - Sitush (talk) 11:57, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * the Hindi source says that his name was "Ranchordas Rabari", and makes no specific mention about the caste (as you know, it doesn't necessarily mean that he belonged to the Rabari community, but with a lot of North Indian people, that is indeed the case). And it does say that he died at 112. MikeLynch (talk) 13:02, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've tidied it up (spotted some copyvios!) - Sitush (talk) 13:41, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Journal of Orissan History
We could do with some input at Talk:Khandayat regarding the reliability etc of the above journal. Any takers? - Sitush (talk) 16:58, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Budameru
Budameru and Kondaveedu Stream naming. Should they be named as Stream, Drain or rivulet?
 * Timestamp for archiving 22:03, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Snoopgate
I would appreciate if someone familiar with Indian sources could have a look at this article and see whether the first two sources are reliable (youtube is obvously not). If they are not reliable, the article should likely go to AfD. Thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:37, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ymblanter: youtube is useless in this regard, and "cobrapost" is rather dodgy: but NDTV is generally fine, and the incident has received widespread coverage elsewhere: see, , , and many more that are easily found. Coverage is not an issue. It might still be a bit of a BLP issue, seeing as the coverage is mostly in the form of accusations. Vanamonde (talk) 10:56, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It is not my topic of interest at all, I just encountered this article during my new page patrolling. I will then take no action.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:57, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems the page actually used to redirect to NSA warrantless surveillance (2001–07) and was recently changed. I'm wondering if it can be moved to a new title or the material merged somewhere else. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 17:16, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I have already suggested this at article's talk page but User:0xF8E8 seems not to agree.-- Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider t c s 17:38, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I was more objecting to a dab, I might support a merge. The primary topic for "Snoopgate" appears to be the Gujarat issue; as I mentioned on the talk page, the only sources referring to the NSA surveillance as "Snoopgate" I could find were quoting the title of a Newsweek article. The redirect was practically unused until now, which suggests most readers will not be searching for the NSA surveillance issues. The page creator, User:Irfannaseefp, could probably use some guidance on RS; the sourcing is pretty abysmal as it stands.—0xF8E8 (talk) 21:08, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Bismil Azimabadi deletion
Non-English sources are being raised at Articles for deletion/Bismil Azimabadi (2nd nomination). It could do with some eyes due to translation/reliability etc issues. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 06:04, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Uri
This is a request to improve the page on Uri, Jammu and Kashmir, which is in despicable shape. It is a subject of current news and getting 20,000 page views per day. We can do better than this. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:44, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * If someone can point out on the talk page for Uri things that can be done, I am willing to do the legwork. I did add a little more to the page, but nothing significant. Amiwikieditor (talk) 17:25, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Sex Education in India
Hi -- I am currently editing the "Sex education in India" article. I would like to focus on delineating between family planning and HIV / AIDS prevention education. Would some be able to direct me to resources that would outline the current government and community efforts that are being used to drive this education? I would like to compare and contrast NGO-led versus teacher-led sex education and their respective efficacy. Venkam (talk) 07:16, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Finding sources is not easy. About three years ago I searched for whatever was published and posted online by health organizations funded by central and state government in India. I did not find anything that I thought was a good research publication. This does not mean that no good research is available, but just that if there is research it was not at that time easy to find online.
 * It is difficult to come to Wikipedia with an advance agenda and know what you will edit. Since Wikipedia is a reflection of the sources you find, I recommend searching first for the most interesting publications you can find, then deciding what to edit based what is available in the sources you find. It might be the case that information on the topic you described above is impossible to find.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  19:03, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Category:Bus stations in Andhra Pradesh
Does every bus stop linked in this category deserve to have an article of its own. Even if needs to exist here why not create 1 article with all of them? I need help!  Varun FEB2003    12:17, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see too much of a problem with each of them having their own article as long as they are not for each and every village or small town. Primarily because most of these are fairly large towns, in principle I think it's fine, because any expansions/news are more likely to be covered by reliable media. However if a case should be made for condensing them, the material should probably go to the respective city/town articles (I think this is also a good option, because currently, some of the town articles are not in very good shape, and this could help structurally consolidate those articles better). A list could be made out of the bus stations with certain criteria for inclusion in the list. MikeLynch (talk) 12:26, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * New York City has 469 stations for its train and I think every one of them has a Wikipedia article. The lists are at New_York_City_Subway_stations. Many people like and use articles about bus and train stations, but the problem is that Wikipedia is supposed to be a reflection of published reliable sources. For the articles being made that you are describing, many of them are not citing any source at all. Articles which do not cite sources are deleted on Wikipedia for being non-notable.
 * I think the article creator should be contacted to ask them if they can cite published sources to verify the information.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  19:07, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay!  Varun FEB2003    06:59, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

National Highway 108 (India)(Old Numbering)
I came across these 2 article at NPP Can someone explain the naming convention and what is the difference between these two roads. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 17:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * National Highway 108 (India)(Old Numbering)
 * National Highway 108 (India)
 * Please see List of National Highways in India for the conventions for the new numbering scheme. The old numbering was probably ad hoc. The new number of 108 (old numbering) is likely to be highway 134, but I wouldn't know for sure. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 23:53, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah I see. So it seems the government simply changed the highway number. Is there any way to find out the mapping? If the mapping can be found then the older articles could be accordingly rename/redirected. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 13:19, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * If the new 108 is in Mizoram, then someone needs to look at List of National Highways in India as well. According to that article, NH 34 intersects with NH108 but that's not possible if 108 is in the north east. It looks as if the NH number and route columns are not in agreement on whether to use old or new numbering. --regentspark (comment) 13:48, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Proposal for election of coordinators for the project
WikiProject India is one of the largest project group on English Wikipedia with over 1,50,000 article count and considerable no of FAs, FLs and good articles. Till now, the group performed under no definite leadership or coordination. I propose for conduction of an election to elect the coordinators and a lead coordinator (highest vote count). Doing so, will the help the members and also the group to work more consistently than it is now. We have many experienced and acclaimed editors such as, , , , , , , , , etc. and many others who have significantly contributed to this project can be nominated and subsequently elected. Election shall be held for fixed term. Definite structure and procedures must be discussed and formulated before the system is adopted. They may adopted from the Military history project, which started the practice long back. Please see their co-ordination page, their discussion for project coordinators (dated around 2006), election pages (2015, 2014 etc.). Please voice your opinion regarding the proposal. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 12:09, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * This (and other geographic) wikiprojects function quite differently from MILHIST. That is a quality focused project while we are focused on getting the basics right across a large quantity of articles. Therefore the kind of work differs significantly. The problems here are more around the unstoppable proliferation of sub pet projects and stuff which no amount of consensus here has been able to stop. As for the maintenance task coordinators, this one has had people pick up individual tasks for a long time and that seems to work well. e.g. Ganesh's village articles, Tito's and (a couple of others) more recent WP tagging of talk pages and stuff. More than any coordinators, at this point I think we need something focused on culling that banner and getting rid of all the dubious or single person sub projects so that we even have a proper scope for this project. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  06:50, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with you that the working of this project is different from that of MILHIST. But having coordinators will definitely helo us to work us better, for example, the assessment of articles will pickup good improvement. And also the members will have some official to contact if there is some problem, regarding the project, which is not available now. Regarding WikiProject India, I agree with you hat there are many groups /projects having participants less than 5 members and no work has been done for months. These may be amalgamated into the parent page project. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 12:06, 2 September 2016 (UTC)


 * This is still a small WikiProject with few participants. Consider the wikiproject watchers report- the military history project has 10 times the number of people watching it as compared to India. By the changes report, it gets 15 times the number of edits. India is still a small project and I am not aware of people who come here looking for the support of a leader. Instead of leadership, I think it would be more useful just to have more peer to peer user support as equals, so that more people feel that they can join and take their own leadership roles.   Blue Rasberry   (talk)  13:55, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I think some sort of initiative might be a good idea. There is, as KCV points out above, a core set of editors with the experience necessary to curate articles. Meanwhile, the Indian initiative is scattered across the place with many important areas relatively untouched. I don't think a large initiative will work (think of the various collaboration initiatives that have failed in the past) but maintaining short lists of important articles that need to be worked on, getting out information (AfDs, GA or FA nominees, etc.) in a less passive form, etc. might be helpful. A lighter touch focusing on information rather than a set of initiatives that will likely end up failing. --regentspark (comment) 14:59, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Not the number of the watchers, but the project counts almost around 400 active members, and I think it is good count. 400 members with no definite organizational structure is worth thinking. Whether it is big or small, having coordinators will definitely help the project to do better more than it is now. It is said that a team of ten with a leader is far better than a team of unleaded twenty. So the need is clear. However, the structure may be different from that of MILHIS, something like having a group 10 members under the title coordination committee etc. And you see that MILHIS started this tradition of having coordinators in 2006, 10 years ago, in the times when some us even weren't on Wiki. MILHIS hardly had 200-300 members then. But today is one of the biggest and most acclaimed Wikiprojects with its own A-class assessment (very few project have A-class assessment) ,and I feel that coordination played a significant role in this evolution. So the same will do for this project. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 14:14, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree with what you said that various collaboration initiatives have failed in the past. But the failure was due to lack of a definite structure. But here before the members are appointed as coordinators, they were elected by vote process. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 14:14, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Good idea on improving the projects. From my side, I don't have much idea on military, but I can help on geo and railway articles. If any coordinators are appointed for these, it'll be a better situation to consult them often who are active.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   06:15, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your support. We don't appoint for a particular category of articles. You are appointed by the vote count you get in the election. Even in MILHIS coordinators work on topics of their interest; of some country or of some wars etc. but they look over overall. The coordinators just help in assessment, may be we too can have our own A-class review, and resolve some issues, conducting drives officially etc. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 12:35, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Same as Vin09 said its really a good idea on improving the project as there are many articles which are still on stub and start class. I also don't have much knowledge about other topics but for sure will be helping on geo and bio articles. <span style="font-family: monospace;font-weight: bold;font-size: 16px;color: hsl(205, 98%, 55%); ">GSS (talk) 07:32, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I once again ping all the established editors as per my knowledge (,, , , , , , , , etc.) to share their vote for a clearer consensus. I also welcome the members to cast their vote (support or oppose) regarding the idea. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 00:09, 20 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I've held off commenting here for a while, because honestly I'm somewhat torn. I think the structure of the project needs to be driven both by its scope (in this case, vast, but with masses of poor-quality articles) and by the character of the participating editors (in this case, a very wide range of experience and competence, and a wide variation in dedication/interpretation of core policies). While I don't think coordinators are a bad thing per se, I really don't see the idea working here. Editors with experience, and who are well-versed in policy, don't need coordination given the nature of the articles we deal with: editors without one of those attributes are not amenable to coordination anyway. There are some variants of the idea which might have some use. regentspark made suggestions above that I would support: I particularly think that have a table that aggregates articles by importance on the one hand and quality on the other might be especially useful, as it would allow high-priority articles to be quickly identified. A list of experienced editors willing to give articles a quick once-over would also be helpful. Likewise, it might also help to put together guidelines on some common issues: reliability of common sources, guidelines w.r.t. notability in a South Asian context, etc: but that's a whole other can of worms. Vanamonde (talk) 16:26, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Survey

 * Support – Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 00:09, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Support – Cheers, <span style="font-family: monospace;font-weight: bold;font-size: 16px;color: hsl(205, 98%, 55%); ">GSS (talk) 11:41, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Am not sure if it's needed or not hope other users much experienced than me can decide better. <span style="font-family: monospace;font-weight: bold;font-size: 16px;color: hsl(205, 98%, 55%); ">GSS (talk) 16:34, 23 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose As I've already elaborated above, I don't think the role of coordinators is necessary or will be beneficial here. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  06:30, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * No opinion: Am not sure what coordinator would do. I was co-coordinator for INCINE once and did nothing different from what a non-coordinator could do. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 16:19, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Nallacheruvu
At present, our article on Nallacheruvu describes it as being in the Anantapur district — however, on two separate occasions in the past year, some anonymous editor has tried to recategorize it as being in East Godavari district instead, both times with a misspelled category link that bounced it onto the uncategorized articles list. Can somebody with more expertise in Indian topics than I've got look into this and determine whether (a) the existing category is correct and the IPs are vandals who need to be blocked, (b) the existing category is wrong and the place is in East Godavari instead of Anantapur, or (c) Anantapur and East Godavari both have villages called Nallacheruvu and we need to convert this to a disambiguation page instead? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 23:53, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * As of now it is from Anantapur. If in future any article comes from East Godavari it can be moved to disambig page.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   09:50, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * This can't solely be a question of whether we already have an article about another Nallacheruvu or not — people are actively WP:DISRUPTing the article about this one. So we need to determine whether a place of this name even exists in East Godavari at all — and if it does, then we need to immediately prioritize making an article about it exist. Bearcat (talk) 16:38, 23 September 2016 (UTC)


 * @Bearcat as per onefivenine.com, there is a village named Nallacheruvu in East Godavari District and a city with same name in Anantapur District. KhaasBanda (talk) 08:56, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * No such city exists in Anantapur district. You can check List of cities in Andhra Pradesh. The website has info added by users. So, it might be a village.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   11:29, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

As per this reference it is a village (mandal headquarter) and also a mandal with the same name in Anantapur.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   11:33, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sadly the list of cities in Andhra does not has references for Anantapur and East-Godavari districts to cross check its veracity. A little bit of googling shows evidence of the existence of the Nallacheruvu city with its own railway station too in Anantapur district.

India's alleged support to Baloch rebels
There is an ongoing discussion about alleged Indian support to Baloch rebels and the verifability and notability of such claim at Talk:Insurgency in Balochistan/Archive 2.GreyShark (dibra) 16:14, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Monuments in Mangalore

 * City’s heritage monuments being uploaded on Wikipedia

The Hindu reports a Wiki Loves Monuments in Mangalore.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  19:19, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Pais
The two Pais, T. M. A. Pai and T. A. Pai seem to have got all info mixed up. If someone can sort it out, it would be good. There are claims in article of both being related and the lack of creativity in naming kids is a pain for us now! §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:10, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

India and state-sponsored terrorism
Please take a look at this new article on India and state-sponsored terrorism and provide your views. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:39, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

CIS-A2K Newsletter August 2016
Hello,

CIS-A2K has published their newsletter for the months of August 2016. The edition includes details about these topics: Please read the complete newsletter here. --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:24, 29 September 2016 (UTC) If you want to subscribe/unsubscibe this newsletter, click here.
 * Event announcement: Tools orientation session for Telugu Wikimedians of Hyderabad
 * Programme reports of outreach, education programmes and community engagement programmes
 * Ongoing event: India at Rio Olympics 2016 edit-a-thon.
 * Program reports: Edit-a-thon to improve Kannada-language science-related Wikipedia articles, Training-the-trainer programme and MediaWiki training at Pune
 * Articles and blogs, and media coverage

consensus needed
Please give your opinion at Template Talk:WikiProject India. Thanks. Pratyush (talk) 19:34, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

2016 Indian military raid in Pakistan-administered Kashmir
The article 2016 Indian military raid in Pakistan-administered Kashmir has been nominated for deletion. Please take a look. Filpro (talk) 20:26, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

How to order languages in infoboxes and elsewhere
Hey all, I've opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Film. This pertains to how we should organize the list of languages for multi-lingual films (like Baahubali: The Beginning, 2.0, etc.) As you know, films are closely tied to ethnic film "industries", and there has been an uptick both in films produced in multiple languages, as well as arguments over how the languages should be ordered. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:03, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Letter case problems
"I wrote about the problem [], I was misunderstood.
 * I believe many Indian languages don't use cases, so many editors don't know how to use cases in English. I believe that somoene who belongs to such no-cases culture should explain the problem in a short text. I don't mean that a specific page contains such errors, but that thousands of Indian editors have such problem and such text may help them to contribute. Xx236 (talk) 09:30, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * An example: Rupal, Gandhinagar

Xx236 (talk) 08:51, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * KM, should be km.
 * District - district.
 * Local Language - local language
 * Good idea. Also, section headings should not have uppercase.


 * Parliament & Assembly constituencies --> Parliament and assembly constituencies.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   09:50, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * So do we need to change it in Infobox as well? <span style="font-family: monospace;font-weight: bold;font-size: 16px;color: hsl(205, 98%, 55%); ">GSS (talk) 09:55, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It applies to paragraphs, not sure about infoboxes.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   10:05, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Bulk AfD of caste/clan articles
Articles for deletion/Kaura clan (2nd nomination) is actually a bulk deletion discussion for a mass of caste/clan articles. Assuming it is not withdrawn, it is going to need a lot of eyes - there are about 40 articles involved in it! - Sitush (talk) 13:36, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Dammit that was a bad idea. Just the sheer size is going to scare away most commentators, and I'm not sure I have the stamina myself, to be honest... Vanamonde (talk) 13:44, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The thing has been shut down as a procedural close. - Sitush (talk) 14:49, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

New map of Telangana
Need a new political map for Telangana. Where can it be requested?-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   06:39, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Try at Graphics Lab/Map workshop. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  06:42, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Cheers!-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   06:45, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject Asia/The 10,000 Challenge
Everyone is invited to the WikiProject Asia/The 10,000 Challenge. The editathon aims to create or improve 10,000 articles related to Asia. Pratyush (talk) 17:51, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/Tamannaah filmography/archive1
Currently active, the candidate shall gain some benefit from few constructive comments. Regards, Pavanjandhyala (talk) 12:01, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Zila School, Zilla School?
Is Zila School, Bhagalpur a Zilla School? This page for Khulna Zilla School makes me wonder if it's the same word. Pam D  07:37, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Zilla School is correct.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   07:39, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Both the Times of India & the National Institute of Open Schooling's regional website (check S. No. 216 here) mention it as 'Zila School'. So, 'Zila' is the correct official spelling in this case. BTW, you are right. It's a Zilla School. Zila & Zilla are the same word, which means district in Hindi/Urdu language. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:14, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I was wondering whether Zila School should be a redirect to the dab page at Zilla School, rather than to this particular school, Zila School, Bhagalpur (adding this school to that dab). Perhaps someone with local knowledge could sort this out? Pam  D  23:22, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Both of your suggestions are correct. 'Zila School' is a generic term & it isn't restricted to any particular school. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:56, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I have proposed that Jathedar of Akal Takht be merged into Jathedar please visit Talk:Jathedar of Akal Takht and share your thoughts. Thank you – <span style="font-family: monospace;font-weight: bold;font-size: 16px;color: hsl(205, 98%, 55%); ">GSS (talk) 12:36, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

CIS-A2K Newsletter September 2016
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 * Gender gap study: Another 5 Years: What Have We Learned about the Wikipedia Gender Gap and What Has Been Done?
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Merge proposal at Swami Nithyananda
Please see the merge proposal at Talk:Swami_Nithyananda and comment there. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 05:33, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to Women in Red's special November activities
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Warangal rural district
Warangal rural district or ''Warangal Rural district? Which one is correct?-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   05:25, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Warangal Rural district is correct as 'Rural' is also part of the district's name (proper noun). Pratyush (talk) 06:47, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   08:30, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I think this should be "* Rural District" or "* rural district", 1 --Tito Dutta (talk) 13:31, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * No D is not capital in district.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   13:58, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

User:Badol1234
Hi WP:INDIA members. I came across this question at the Wikipedia Teahouse and am wondering if there is someone here from this WikiProject who might be able to possibly help User:Badol1234. They do not seem to be responding to the warnings posts placed on their user talk, so it's possible that they might not be comfortable in communicating in English. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Indian cinema challenge
Anybody here love movies? The first challenge for India has arrived, WikiProject India/The 1000 Challenge (Indian cinema). Interested in winning prizes for fleshing your favourite films and actors and seeing articles coming in like WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon? Sign up if interested and let's start to see people expanding those stale old stubs and producing some good work for Indian cinema! 1000 articles is an achievable target, and a chance to showcase your work and be credited.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:32, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

List of Indian cities by GDP per capita
Someone has been removing info from List of Indian cities by GDP per capita. That person is claiming that the info is wrong. If an experienced and knowledgable editor would take a look, I'd appreciate it. NYCRuss  ☎  19:13, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Scroll.in
Hello friends, does anyone know anything about Scroll.in and have any thoughts on whether it is generally considered a reliable source? Our esteemed colleague asked me my thoughts, but I don't know enough about the site to have an opinion, and I tend to lean toward "unreliable until proven innocent". This is part of a bigger project to create a more complete listing of reliable and unreliable sources for the Indian cinema task force. See User:Cyphoidbomb/ICTF FAQ (which you're all welcome to improve, by the way...)

Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:20, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I did not know anything about the site, but I gave it a look and will share an opinion.
 * This seems to be a reliable news source. Supporting evidence is that articles are well-published with stable URLs, authors, and dates. An editor for the publication is named, so the articles seem to be managed in the context of a journalism organization. The articles seem to be based in fact, then the stories themselves provide the publication's own editorial perspective to interpret the facts. I see in some articles where pictures are used proper credit is given to copyright holders, and otherwise, other good journalism practices are being used.
 * Some supporting evidence that this is not a reliable source include the newness of the publication (founded about 2011), the fact that the publication seems to be cross-posting content from other publications with attribution but also without clearly stating what partnerships might exist as they do this, and that they have some low-quality sensational articles attributed to "scroll staff".
 * As with any source, it is reliable for claims within its field of expertise. If we are considering film reviews, this one for example seems like a fine film review with the publication's own criticism. If someone cited that review in a Wikipedia article then at a look, I would say that seems reasonable.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  17:47, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * It's a user submissions site with basic editorial control (unlike merinews which has almost no editorial control) so you can use based on the author and also WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  02:14, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I thought the fact that it won the “News Start-Up of the Year’’ award at the RedInk journalism awards is testimony to the site's credibility. Kailash29792 (talk) 07:48, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * This particular one isn't of much value as unlike their other categories they don't have a large candidate pool. In contrast, the 2016 winner thewire.in has rather well established editorial policies, and I think that would pass RS muster in general. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  11:01, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd probably also ask if News Start-Up of the Year satisfies WP:RS, which wants publications with reputations for fact-checking and accuracy. If they're a start-up, have they earned a reputation? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:37, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think the issue is that of being a startup. It's just that they don't really have an established editorial policy to back things up unlike thewire.in. Scroll got steam because of the wide range of content (specifically opinion pieces) that they featured. They do have very good copy editing practices unlike most mainstream media (with the exception of The Hindu) and that makes them stand out from the crowd. However, just take an article on their site and compare the topic to any newspaper or magazine and the difference is easy to understand: this is less facts and more opinion/interpretation. Therefore my point about WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV if the author is known in that field. (e.g. Take the Mirza-Manjrekar twitter spat. I like the Scroll's take on it, but it differs from the rest and it's almost entirely interpretation) &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  12:49, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, but established reputation is a qualification. Per WP:RS: "News reporting" from well-established news outlets is generally considered to be reliable for statements of fact (though even the most reputable reporting sometimes contains errors). News reporting from less-established outlets is generally considered less reliable for statements of fact." A startup probably doesn't meet muster as a well-established news outlet. I'm not saying that they aren't going to be reliable, I just don't know that the totally hit all the benchmarks. On the other hand, I know that film articles are really suffering for lack of sources considered reliable, so maybe some leeway is necessary here. (I'm really pissed at Financial Express/Indian Express for the total shitshow they created when reporting on Kabali's financials...) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:39, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

I forgot that Kailash was also interested in feedback on The News Minute. If anyone has any thoughts on that, your comments would be appreciated. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:37, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Bump: Anyone? TheNewsMinute.com? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:38, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh
Hey guys, a few questions: 1) If Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh is Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh Ji Insan, then what should the article be called? Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh Ji Insan? His daughter is Honeypreet Insan, so I'm a little confused why his name stops at Singh. 2) Per WP:SURNAME How should he be referred to in the article? Singh, or Insan? Something else?

3) I notice that in his article, he's referred to as "Saint" and "Saint Dr." He has a "doctorate" in world records from what is obviously a diploma mill specializing in doctorates in world records. I assume that per WP:HONORIFICS we'd drop both of these honorifics, no? I mean, we don't refer to Bill Cosby as Dr. Cosby despite his many honorary doctorates. And "saint" seems somewhat fluffy. Although we call the pope Pope, so I don't know. Any input is appreciated. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:17, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello Cyphoidbomb, Insan is not a common surname. He and his followers reportedly (See ONE & ONLY section) use this suffix insan, that means "human". I think the current title is correct, both "Saint" and "Insan" are honorary. Regards. --Tito Dutta (talk) 17:24, 28 October 2016 (UTC) 18:22, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Bigg Boss 10
The article Bigg Boss 10 needs attention from experienced users because most of the contributors are new and SPA and the article facing some issues related to WP:UNDUE, WP:NOTCRYSTAL, WP:NOTPROMOTION, possibly sockpuppetry and vandalism. Thank you – <span style="font-family: monospace;font-weight: bold;font-size: 16px;color: hsl(205, 98%, 55%); ">GSS (talk) 07:19, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I've added it to my watchlist, but the Bigg Boss articles (and tons of other Indian TV articles) are a nightmare. I notice the obvious copyright violation notice on the page. Based on my previous experiences at a Bigg Boss article, socks of were typically responsible for that crap. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:20, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * , I also invited some users who were active in Bigg Boss 9 in this discussion regarding tables in the article but they seems inactive at this time. Please take a look and share your opinion. <span style="font-family: monospace;font-weight: bold;font-size: 16px;color: hsl(205, 98%, 55%); ">GSS (talk) 08:42, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Shirish Kunder
Can an admin please lock this article? An IP doesn't seem to like Kunder very much and is intent on reverting and maligning any editor who disagrees with him as being a "Shirish Kunder sockpuppet".—indopug (talk) 14:21, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I've semi-protected it for 3 days. Your first instinct should be to open discussion the first time you revert because it shows at least some attempt to identify and resolve the problems.  (It's also a good idea to drop Talkback notices on IP editors talk pages, because IPs don't have watchlists.) The IP's change of the lead from indicating that Kunder is a film maker to "became noteworthy after he married well-known Bollywood choreographer and film director Farah Khan" is clearly disruptive though, as it replaces a fact with an editorial. The other stuff, like the info about his Facebook page asserting his schooling should be hashed out in discussion, not via edit warring. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:46, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Seek your assessment on Barrackpore Mutiny of 1824
I have created a new article on Barrackpore Mutiny of 1824. This is a forgotten massacre committed by the British during company rule era. I am not getting adequate attention from WikiProject Indian History. Seek help. Thanks,Avskbhatta (talk) 17:11, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Translation?
Hey all, can anyone tell whether or not this user is asking anything that needs answering: They've left a few confusing comments on a few talk pages. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:54, 31 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't think it needs to be answered. The user appears to be from Pakistan as per his/her request to lifts the ban on Indian TV channels. <span style="font-family: monospace;font-weight: bold;font-size: 16px;color: hsl(205, 98%, 55%); ">GSS (talk) 17:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, my friend. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:31, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Translation - Malayalam
Hi all, need help confirming if this article indicates that Pulimurugan has grossed ₹75 crore, please. Google Translate isn't doing a great job for me. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:40, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Taxation
The articles related to taxation in India like Taxation in India, Income tax in India, Goods and Services Tax (India), Service tax, etc. are in a very bad state. They have been subject to copyvio and constant ignorance. Would anyone like to have a look and suggest some improvements? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])  17:13, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Page name?
What should be the page name for Medchal–Malkajgiri district. Is it Medchal district or Medchal-Malkajgiri district? References
 * dist website - other districts too has similar titles whose names got changed and the website names were not.
 * state website - which has malkajgiri in map and medchal in list
 * Official G.O. - some pages as medchal and the present title was also mentioned.


 * Comment: Should we go with the WP:COMMONNAME or stick with the present title?-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   04:15, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Come on, Vin09, you are supposed to be better the expert on this than we are :-)
 * I suggest we keep the current title of Midchal-Malkajgiri district, until the tussle between the two towns gets resolved with the powers that be.
 * Things are apparently haywire at the moment -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:55, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your valuable comment. Will follow it.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   03:26, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Vijayakanth
, et al. could I please trouble you guys to look at Vijayakanth? A user with limited English skills has attempted to describe some of the controversies surrounding the subject, but I can't really make heads or tails of what he's trying to say. It started out with some odd phrasing about the subject being "slammed" and trolled. Some of that was cleaned up but I'm concerned that we're heading into some WP:BLPCRIME concerns. I'm not familiar with this sort of stuff, so I'm hoping that you sharpshooters can figure out what is or isn't worth covering in the article. Sorry for the work, but I don't know what else to do. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 08:18, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, there should be a controversy section, in my opinion. The last sentence needs to be copyedited in my opinion. I'll try to find better reference. --Tito Dutta (talk) 17:38, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if this is the locus of the dispute, but honestly I don't think there should be a controversy section. I think any encyclopedic material in the controversy section should be incorporated elsewhere. There's a few reasons for this. First, segregating critical material in a single section has the effect of whitewashing other sections, which is a neutrality issue. Second, the section itself becomes a POV magnet: everybody with an axe to grind gravitates there. Third, it is very difficult to figure out due weight in a controversy section, because ideally you want to be weighing coverage of any criticism against the coverage that any specific incident has gotten, as opposed to weighing controversy of the subject as a whole against other aspects of the subject as a whole. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 04:29, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Eloquently put. My instinct tells me that the user will resist any attempt to remove the content. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:43, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Regarding reliability of couple of sources
Is this source reliable? It is attributing the content to IANS. BTW, Thaindian's deletion discussions – here & here – might give some clues. Similarly, can The Citizen (India) be used as a source in wiki articles? - NitinMlk (talk) 18:01, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

The Citizen (India) doesn't seem reliable. So, I just need advice regarding the other source. - NitinMlk (talk) 18:22, 7 November 2016 (UTC)


 * They really could work on sprucing up their site so it doesn't look like every other cookie-cutter blog... And I thought the site was "Tha Indian", and I thought "geez how professional" but I see that it's a portmanteau of Thai and Indian. At first I was concerned that this was yet another content scraper, and I was skeptical that IANS actually wrote the content, and I was concerned that the content might constitute a copyright violation, but after reading their About Us page, they seem to explain that they have republication rights. They acknowledge having an editor-in-chief (although I know nothing about that person) and they claim to produce unique stories, although I clicked on at least a dozen links in the Hot Now and Latest News sidebars and didn't see anything that was uniquely created. However after clicking on their Top Stories link, I see stuff like this, which is really no better than anyone else's blog post. Same here (where they misspell Partridge in the last sentence) and this is a strange article about the Denzel Washington film John Q that doesn't inspire confidence that they're not just making up the facts. Like, they're saying that the director and producer denied that the film is based on a real-life event, but what, I'm supposed to believe that the director and producer sat down with Thaindian.com to get the scoop? Anyway, for the time being, I'd probably cautiously consider them "partially reliable" for their syndicated content only and see how that goes. I invite other opinions, though. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:06, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for such a detailed analysis! I guess, at most, we can use it in case of syndicated articles from reliable news agencies. - NitinMlk (talk) 18:15, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * One of the requirements of WP:RS is that the organization should have an established reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. I don't think that any of us have heard of Thaindian, so I think it's far less likely that they have an established reputation. So yeah, I'd be circumspect about anything that they weren't reprinting. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:20, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

The currency-note removal decision
Does this merit a new article, or just a new section at Indian rupee?—indopug (talk) 17:54, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * New section is sufficient I guess.-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   18:17, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Article to watch for
A news article has been started by someone Indian 500 and 1000 rupee currency demonetization --Tito Dutta (talk) 18:59, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Savai Bhoj
Please help.Xx236 (talk) 14:07, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Pageviews template on talk pages
Is it ok to add Template:PageViews graph to talkpages? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])  20:05, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * As I said on your talk page, it will end up inciting POV pushers. Why are inserting these in any case? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:15, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see much point in these graphs. Data for the sake of data is not a good idea. --regentspark (comment) 22:04, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. There was nothing broken that needed fixing. The page view stats are available from the Page information link on the side of the page, and if the graph is what you want to see, I'd probably consider proposing at one of the Village Pumps (maybe Proposals?) that it be added to the layout of the Page information template, i.e. when you click this it appears somewhere. But I don't see why suddenly scores of Indian articles would suddenly be hungry for this information. To make it easier for paid editors and spammers to see which pages are most likely to generate the best revenue? Rhetorical, of course, but this is data that I've only accessed a dozen or so times in six years and 86,000 edits. What value does it have in day-to-day editing? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:19, 9 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I see no value in those graphs either. Just random clutter on talk pages... §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:37, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * ^ What they said. Vanamonde (talk) 08:03, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed, random clutter. It doesn't even say what that graph is, so it makes no sense - just some random unexplained graph with no context or reason. And as others have said, there is a link that people can already click on. This really should have been discussed, in my opinion, before graph-bombing talk pages. First Light (talk) 06:58, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

For your information at wp:CfD
For your information categories that are of interest to this wikiproject have been nominated for "merging"(deletion). See: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_October_25. Ottawahitech (talk) 17:31, 13 November 2016 (UTC){{small|please ping me}

Sadar Hills Autonomous District Council
Dear India experts: I came across this page about a group of district officials. Apparently this council is one of several in Senapati district. Shouldn't the page be merged into the district page? Or maybe into Sadar Hills?&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 00:48, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

The Telegraph (Calcutta) move discussion
The subject article is under move discussion to "The Telegraph (India)" or "The Telegraph (Kolkata)" over here. I am notifying this here as it is relevant to the project and more because this was previously raised on this page and is now archived here. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:50, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Telugu help?
Can someone please provide the Telugu for "Goddanti" in Goddanti Ranga Rao? Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:01, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Refer WP:NOINDICSCRIPT. §§<i style="color:#E0115F;">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:37, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Naga Rajputs
Please write the page or delete it. Now it's The Naga Rajputs are a Rajput group of India. - it's not an encyclopedia page. Xx236 (talk) 12:10, 17 November 2016 (UTC)