Wikipedia talk:Political Spectrum Reconciliation Project

Unnecessary. Also your concept of "Spectrum" lies within a series of biased political methodological / theoretical constructs. For instance, as an ultra-leftist, I see a fundamental disjuncture between all kinds of working class politics, and all kinds of bourgeois politics. Fifelfoo (talk) 06:01, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I find that somewhat silly, this isn't an article on political alignment, it's a group of people with many different alignments agreeing to neutral coverage. I don't think that being on the far left (where I am, as well), makes it harder to see that political differences and arguments harm Wikipedia. Irbisgreif (talk) 13:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The point was, if this is about a spectrum: a continuous series of positions lying in the same framework, I'd dispute the idea that we lie on the same framework. I see discontinuities, but still a need to get along encyclopedically; but I'd put the stress about getting along encyclopedically in constantly re-emphasising a commitment to encyclopedic behaviour as the shared material project. Fifelfoo (talk) 14:39, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think the framework matters. The idea isn't to categorize us within a certain world-view, it's to bring people of varied, sometimes opposed, world-views together for the purpose of building an encyclopædia. Irbisgreif (talk) 23:30, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * You still aren't getting my point, so perhaps I need to restate it. Claiming that politics are a spectrum of views is methodologically perverse to many highly engaged political people: ie the editors you want to be involved in this project.  Many editors who are highly politically engaged do not believe that Left and Right blend into one another without seams, as if a Social Democrat is just a slightly more left wing version of a Social Liberal, or as if a Fascist is simply a Neo-Liberal with a machine gun. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:35, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Your point appears to be one of the following:
 * Some people believe other political views are inherently wrong and will not compromise.
 * Politics is more than a simple Right-Left line, and using the word spectrum is inherently wrong.
 * If your point is the first one, then I hate to say it, but they shouldn't be on Wikipedia if they can't compromise. As for the second one, I don't see why it's that big of a deal. I just needed a name that made it clear that this project is about bringing people of different political views together. I don't think it's possible to put all of politics on one spectrum, but I do consider Political Spectrum a valid term to mean "the space of all political opinions". Is the term that galling? Irbisgreif (talk) 05:33, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Its perfectly reasonable for people to believe other political views are inherently wrong (I do). Its perfectly reasonable for those people not to compromise (as long as they don't edit wikipedia where consensus is the essence of content disputes). Using the word spectrum is inherently wrong according to some people; and, to them, it is galling. And, these people are often the ones with political commitments. Fifelfoo (talk) 05:56, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I think this Project has potential, although it would probably be better if geared towards mediation. The primary danger I see is that this will degenerate into a disucssion forum (WP:NOT...) or will fail to gather attention due to people afraid this is what it will end up as. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 07:50, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, that's not quite what I had been thinking of. But mediation seems like a good goal to add to the project. I would still like the project to gather people who are willing to work to keep politically charged articles NPOV. (And obeying the other policies, as well.) Irbisgreif (talk) 13:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * You are suggesting to have a list of articles and strive for NPOV/quality and mediation/dispute resolution in those? If yes, that's excellent! I can just bombard you with 10 or 15 such articles, and by inviting my "arch-rival" Anonimu, I have already brought upon you a very charged content dispute. Dc76\talk 15:41, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * That was the idea, yeah. Feel free to invite him, and dedicate yourselves to working for the encyclopædia, not your political views. :) Irbisgreif (talk) 23:30, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I just wanted to point out, that wasn't meant to be a command, but rather an encouragement. I do believe it's likely that this project will centre around dispute resolution. Irbisgreif (talk) 16:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Pointing out some discussion of the idea that isn't taking place here.
I've been discussing this idea with another, who has been guiding me, so please be sure to read User_talk:Irbisgreif/Coaching so that his advice can benefit the project as a whole. Irbisgreif (talk) 23:33, 28 September 2009 (UTC)