Wikipedia talk:RefToolbar/2.0/Archive 2

Cite button
The "Cite" option often disappears from the window while editing. I can't figure out the issue. Any help will be much appreciated! &mdash; Vensatry (Ping me)  16:34, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Please state what version of the editing interface you are using. See RefToolbar 2.0. Also, what exactly do you mean by it disappearing? Do you mean that it is displayed for a certain amount of time and then disappears? How long does it typically take to disappear? Kaldari (talk) 19:01, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not working for me either. When I uninstalled the .js script from my preferences, I have "Show edit toolbar" on and "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" on, (the 3rd line of the photo) and the "Cite button on right" does not appear. I thought that should work w/o having to install special .js script on my preferences pg. --Funandtrvl (talk) 20:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That is correct, it should work without you having to install anything. I'll try to do some troubleshooting on it this weekend if I have some time. Kaldari (talk) 20:46, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm currently using RefToolbar 2.0. Disappearing in the sense, it's missing many a times when I edit pages. &mdash; Vensatry (Ping me)  07:20, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Missing most of the time for me as well (also RefToolbar 2.0 - normally at the right)- compleley clearing the cache made it briefly reappear, but one use and a preview and it was gone again - is this problem related to the latest Mediawiki update shenannegans?Nigel Ish (talk) 16:16, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I noticed that the "Cite" button appears when I edit a section in the WP/Category/Template/User namespaces, but not the main article namespace. --Funandtrvl (talk) 23:44, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The cite button appears when editing a talk page but not on article pages. Curious.Nigel Ish (talk) 16:35, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The cite button seems to work for RefToolbar 2.0 in all the namespaces, except the main article space. Something tells me that is where the problem lies, but I'm not familiar enough with the coding to be able to find the problem. Still waiting to find someone who can fix this. --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:49, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Cite not shown on the toolbar on top of the editbox
Can anyone explain why the cite option does not appear on the toolbar on top of the editbox as shown in the screenshot here. Although it should reappear after a reload but as said by some users even a reload is not helpful. This issue came up after a discussion here. Some light on this will be very much appreciated thanks--  Ð ℬig  XЯaɣ  06:02, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I also experienced the same problem while I was citing Ahmedabad. Though with me, a reload worked and it appeared again after F5. → TheSpecialUser TalkContributions 07:00, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The screenshot shows RefToolbar 2.0 (which is a mixture of buttons and drop-down menus), not RefToolbar 1.0 (which is 23 buttons, no menus). -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see: Wikipedia talk:RefToolbar 2.0 for further info. --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I started looking into this yesterday, but I wasn't able to reproduce the problem. Could you guys help me to troubleshoot it? Specifically, let me know what skin (monobook, vector, etc.) you are using and what browser. Also, please temporarily disable all of your gadgets and user scipts to make sure it is not a conflict with another tool. Thanks! Kaldari (talk) 14:39, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * When I set my preferences back to default, and remove all css and js code from Vector, then it works. I'm using IE9. I had the "hlist" code on my .js, I'll have to try adding back things to my gadgets and .js vector and let you know what triggers the problem. --Funandtrvl (talk) 20:22, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be great. I still haven't had any luck reproducing it myself. Kaldari (talk) 18:57, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Really frustrating. Last night it was there. This morning it was gone. Go back just now to the same article and it's there again. I've done nothing to my preferences, script, Firefox, etc during that time period except cleared my cache occasionally. Dougweller (talk) 10:56, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Me too! reload, clear chace, and still not showed Ivan530 Talk 11:20, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

The cite option repeatedly shows up for me if I edit while not logged in, and does not show up if I am logged in. A workaround that may help others: the cite option stays if I start editing while not logged in, and then log in. Very strange. I have the enhanced editing enabled in my preferences. I'm using Chrome 21.0.1180.60 on Windows. Billgordon1099 (talk) 07:30, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I just want to underline the importance of fixing this issue. Yesterday there was an outreach workshop in Coventry that brought together more than 50 people in a room, many of them health professionals, to improve WP's coverage of evidence-based medicine. They were very fired up by the presentations about Wikipedia's mission. Then we tried to show them how to edit. These are totally fresh accounts on Windows laptops: I'm not sure what browser they were using. We told them to click on the Cite button, but half of them didn't have it. When we told them to shift-refresh (which they didn't know to do; why should they?) about half of the missing buttons appeared. Sometimes they disappeared subsequently. So at any time there was a 50% chance of the user seeing the Cite button, and with no gadgets enabled, no software differences.


 * This is terribly dispiriting for newcomers: we tell them that the secret to make lasting contributions to WP is to provide citations for each fact. ALthough the way to do this looks impossibly intimidating for a newcomer, we tell them they can do it simply and quickly, but then for reasons no-one can explain, they just can't. It's as if you were training people to use YouTube and the "upload video" button kept disappearing. Naturally this affects whether they have the confidence to come back and edit the site in future. I do other training with scientists and academics, and stress the centrality of reliable sources and full citations, and if this bug isn't fixed, those workshops are going to be that much more difficult and we'll lose potential enthusiastic new contributors. MartinPoulter (talk) 10:03, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Please modify RefToolbar so that &lt;Esc&gt; doesn't close dialog boxes
Thank you for helping to maintain RefToolbar.

Request: Please modify RefToolbar so that the &lt;Esc&gt; key doesn't close dialog boxes.

Rationale: When using the Vimperator or Pentadactyl Firefox extensions, while you're typing in a text inputbox and want to open a new Firefox tab, the way to do it is by entering &lt;Esc&gt;, &lt;t&gt;, the new tab's URL, then &lt;Enter&gt;. When a RefToolbar insert-citation dialog box is open, that &lt;Esc&gt; keypress also closes the dialog box and makes you lose everything you've typed into the dialog box. This data-loss issue is very annoying. If &lt;Esc&gt; didn't close RefToolbar dialogs, the issue would disappear.

By the way, RefToolbar is the only web application I know of where pressing &lt;Esc&gt; causes data you've entered to be lost forever.

Cheers, Unforgettableid (talk) 00:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I use Firefox (without those extensions) - when I'm typing in a text inputbox and want to open a new Firefox tab, the way to do it is by entering the new tab's URL, then . Do these extensions break that? -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:02, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Reftoolbar uses jquery UI to create the dialogs, and this is a standard feature of jQuery UI. I'm not sure if it can be overridden.. Personally, I like it actually, does exactly what I does what I expect it to do. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 08:04, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

How to add new languages?
I've installed RefToolbar 2.0b version on my wiki, created MediaWiki:RefToolbarMessages-pl.js page - assuming this will be used with polish (default language on my wiki) language - but it did not happened. So the question is - how to add other language then English and German? Asiemieniak (talk) 15:05, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Autofill
Where does autofill get it's information from, for instance using an ISBN number? It is not uncommon that that autofill uses incorrect information. Where and how that that database be contacted so that the information may be fix? Jason Quinn (talk) 20:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Ported to portuguese
Hi, we are trying to port this gadget to the Portuguese Wikipedia, but it doesn't seem to work for some reason. Would someone please mind checking the pages listed here if everything is correct? You may also wish to bring here the messages in Portuguese (http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:RefToolbarMessages-pt.js). GoEThe (talk) 21:49, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

RESOLVED: Porting RefToolbar 2.0b Works on Localhost, but not on remote host
My title says it all! I followed the porting instructions and successfully got the Ref Toolbar 2b working on my localhost version of my Mediawiki, but when I took the exact same files and loaded them onto my remote server Mediawiki Eqrepedia there is no sign of the "Cite" link in the toolbar. It shows up in the Gadgets and is checked there. I also have the options for "Enable enhanced editing toolbar and Enable dialogs for inserting links, tables and more" checked, and I have bypassed my browser's cache until I'm getting a distinct tint of blue in the face - even going so far as to suffixing "action=purge". Furthermore, I am viewing in both Firefox and Chrome - all with the same (non)effect.

Help!! :-)

Solution:
With a little more fiddling, I found the solution. Rather than remove my post, I'll explain what I found in the hope it might help others: There are two MediaWiki:Gadget-refToolbar.js files offered. I had this one on my Localhost, and it worked fine, however for whatever reason, it did not work on the remote server, which required  this one.

Equus caballus (talk) 22:17, 20 September 2012 (UTC)