Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Barneca

Barneca's edit stats using "wannabe Kate" tool as of 15:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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Talk 24 Video Professor 11 Washington 6 Ecuador 6 Nail (fastener) 5 Structural engineering 5 Premier League 2007-08 5 Structural engineer 5 Cheyenne, Wyoming 4 Space Mirror Memorial 3 Lead poisoning 3 Jimmy Wales 3 Delaware 2 New Democratic Party 2 World Affairs Council of Seattle 2 Boston, Massachusetts

User 58 Barneca/Sandboxen/Sandbox 44 Barneca 33 Proabivouac/Oldwindybear&Stillstudying 14 Proabivouac/Oldwindybear&Stillstudying/Combined contribution timeline 10 Barneca/Temps 9 Barneca/inoutmsg 7 Barneca/Userboxen/Libertarian Userbox1 7 Barneca/RfA 4 Dr bab 4 Barneca/Userboxen/Modified Wikies template 4 Barneca/Userboxen/Libertarian Userbox2 3 Barneca/Sandboxen/SE 2 Allycat 2 Barneca/Sandboxen 2 Barneca/monobook.js

User talk 105 Barneca 7 Careercornerstone 7 Zzuuzz 6 Proabivouac 5 New England 5 Avraham 5 HappyTreeBuddies 5 74.60.12.165 5 Rdq1 4 172.201.238.80 4 Agwin 4 CosmicPenguin 4 216.213.195.94 4 Westoflaclabiche 4 205.174.125.153

Wikipedia 110 Administrator intervention against vandalism 41 Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents 12 Administrators' noticeboard 8 Suspected sock puppets/Everetthighschool2 8 Village pump (miscellaneous) 7 Village pump (proposals) 7 Village pump (technical) 5 Requests for adminship/Barneca 4 Requests for page protection 4 Requests for checkuser/Case/Oldwindybear 3 Deletion review/Log/2007 August 14/BJAODN 3 Requests for adminship/RevRagnarok 2 Requests for checkuser/Case/Skporganic 2 Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense (6th Nomination) 2 Help desk

Wikipedia talk 28 Suspected sock puppets/Everetthighschool2 7 Requests for adminship 4 Administrator intervention against vandalism 3 Copyrights/Can I use... 2 Etiquette If there were any problems, please email Interiot or post at User talk:Interiot.

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Dispute resolution
What started as a brief discussion on my RfA of some of the times I tried to resolve a dispute has turned pretty verbose. So I moved it here. This is some additional information on my attempts, with varying levels of success, at mediation/DR. --barneca (talk) 22:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * User:24.195.205.252 was falsly accused of vandalism, and then edit warred with other editors to remove the incorrect warning (and subsequent deletion warnings) from his talk page. He stooped to using socks and was blocked.  After the puppets appeared, but before the block, I tried to cool things down, but it was too late.  The editor contributed 4 more legit edits after the block lifted, then quit; no idea if they lost interest, got an account, got a new IP, or if they felt mistreated and left.
 * Relevant threads:
 * User talk:24.195.205.252 (due to reverting, a little hard to follow, so you might look thru the history of that page)
 * Special:Contributions/24.195.205.252.


 * User:Careercornerstone was trying to add links to an engineering and technology career-related website across multiple articles. I wholesale reverted, then after discussion, decided they were appropriate, and re-added, only to be reverted by other spam-watchers.  I then tried to mediate.  In retrospect I was wrong about them being appropriate for that many articles, but it was an important lesson for me, as it was the first time I BIT a newbie, and it lead me to re-assess how I warn first-time editors.  Also, I kept cool in spite of being threatened (politely and subtly, but a little unnecessarily, IMHO) with being blocked.
 * Relevant threads:
 * User talk:Careercornerstone (main thread)
 * discussion with User:Avraham on my talk page and his.


 * Lead Poisoning (LP) and Shooting ranges in the United States (SR): I tried to get a new editor and an established one to stop edit warring. They did stop, without the need for a block, and talk.  I looked into the content and references of Lead poisoning a little to try to help.  For a while it looked like the new editor might actually join a WikiProject with the established one, but he left instead.  Oh well.
 * Relevant threads (Note that 72.211.140.52 and Burk8 are the same person):
 * LP history
 * SR history
 * LP talk
 * SR talk
 * new editor IP talk and account talk
 * established editor talk
 * and my talk.


 * Video Professor (VP): Stopped an edit war (sockpuppetry and some incivility too), sort of got the two sides talking. Still ongoing, with both sides now discussing on the talk page.
 * Relevant threads:
 * depressing VP edit war history
 * depressing VP protection log
 * warning to one user, and warning to the other
 * reaction on my talk page parts one and two
 * RFCU.
 * To see how it's going now, see the VP talk page.

General timeline

 * Here's my first comment at Agüeybaná's RfA, which is absolutely not based on his personal views.
 * I sent an email to Agüeybaná, expressing an additional concern I had, specifically stating I was not going to bring it up at his RfA, specifically stating that I would not bring it up in a future RfA, specifically stating that I would not oppose a future RfA based on it, specifically stating that I could be wrong, and specifically stating he was welcome to completely ignore me if he felt it wasn't any of my business.
 * I received an email from Agüeybaná that was unprofessional, insulting, and immature. He also left a message on my talk page telling me not to divulge his email on-wiki.
 * I replied that I wouldn't do so (my second statement of that fact), but would change my comment at his RfA. I sent a similarly-worded email at about the same time.
 * I changed to strong oppose, based on the fact that I was now much more concerned.
 * He sent me an email saying I'm a racist, completely uncalled for. Needless to say, I strongly disagree with this characterization.
 * A little torqued off, I replied, told him not to email me any more, told him that any further emails from him would no longer be considered private, and (because I mistakenly thought this email was private) used an expletive. I never said that previous emails would be published.
 * After a little more time and a little more voting, he withdrew his RfA, saying that his "privacy is in jeopardy".
 * He opened the ANI thread about this. In my reply on that thread, I re-affirmed for the third time thatI wasn't publishing anything, and wanted no further contact.

My analysis

 * You'll have to take my word for it, but my first email was completely civil, and intended to be a polite way of bringing something up that, although a concern, I felt would be unfair to bring up during an RfA. My second email was not friendly, but it was also civil.
 * In retrospect, I can see how the actual act of sending that first email at that time (right about the same time it was beginning to look like the RFA might be going downhill) might have been interpreted as piling on. If I had been 100% empathetic, I would have sent that email a few weeks later.  If I had been 100% prescient, I wouldn't have sent it at all.  However, hindsight is 20/20.  The actual content of that email was absolutely not piling on.  I also had no way of knowing more people were going to oppose soon after I did, or that he was about to withdraw his nomination, so I had no way of knowing he might be really stressed right at that moment.
 * The language I used in a private email should have remained between me and Agüeybaná, and while I'm not thrilled about it getting out in public, I think it's understandable when I'm accused of being something I'm not. I don't use language like that on-wiki.
 * Telling him that future emails would no longer be considered private was my attempt to get him to stop emailing me. I didn't get any further email from him.
 * Lesson learned: I will no longer assume my emails to others are going to remain private. I will continue to treat email that others send me as private.  Rather than ask someone to stop sending me harrassing emails, I will just ditch that email address, create a new Wikipedia email address, and temporarily disable the 'email this user' button.
 * Until now (when my hand was kind of forced), the only person to publish any part of that email conversation is Agüeybaná, in the ANI thread. I continue to be puzzled by his providing more and more "personal" information on his own, when I have not done so once, and when I have said many, many times I won't.
 * I'll repeat what I said in the ANI thread. I'm quite willing for my 3 emails to be published, without including his replies.  But it's unfair to publish portions of my last email to him without showing what led up to it.
 * Comment: Well, even if it didn't include earlier e-mails, making any e-mail conversation between us public is a violation of U.S. copyright laws. Regardless of what led you to do it, you were uncivil on and off-wiki, and you seem to be unable to stay cool in disputes, which is essential for administrators of this site. I'll withdraw some of my comments, as I promised, since your explanations are somewhat valid, but I still oppose your request for adminship. -- Ag ü  eybaná  21:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)