Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Dendodge 4

Editing stats for Dendodge at 16:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC):

General user info Username: Dendodge User groups: rollbacker First edit: Mar 24, 2007 20:14:00 Unique articles edited: 4,477 Average edits per page: 2.76 Total edits (including deleted): 12,364 Deleted edits: 1,246 Live edits: 11,118

Namespace totals Article	2824	25.40% Talk	605	5.44% User	1598	14.37% User talk	2438	21.93% Wikipedia	2182	19.63% Wikipedia talk	204	1.83% File	54	0.49% File talk	1	0.01% MediaWiki talk	7	0.06% Template	414	3.72% Template talk	93	0.84% Help	2	0.02% Category	51	0.46% Category talk	1	0.01% Portal	634	5.70% Portal talk	10	0.09%

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Logs Accounts created: 49 Pages moved: 41 Pages patrolled: 315 Files uploaded: 21

Top edited articles Article

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Talk

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User

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User talk

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Wikipedia

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File

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File talk

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MediaWiki talk

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Help

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Category talk

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Portal

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Portal talk

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Reply to Dendodge
..trying to avoid the excessively long threaded discussion, so I'm replying here on the talk page. Dendodge, I do not see your comments as badgering. Not even remotely. In fact it's a pretty reasonable thing for a person to say. So part of me admires your statement about seeking help from those more experienced. But, having mulled over this issue extensively, part of me sees that danger lies down that path as well. Taken to extremes, you're basically saying that you'll act as a meat puppet for some unknown person in some chat room. All editors, admins included, need to act as a check on each other. In order for this to work, they need to be acting independently, using their own good judgement. Having an admin who is not acting independently kind of defeats the purpose, does it not? If 10 different editors arrive independently at a particular conclusion, there's a good chance that this conclusion is reasonable. If 1 editor and 9 yes-men arrive at a conclusion, this is really only as good as that 1 editor's opinion. Wikipedia needs more independent thought, more individual analysis and decision-making. People lining up to say "I agree with this because so-and-so told me it was a good idea" can only ever hurt Wikipedia, it cannot help. Friday (talk) 20:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I said "consult", not "agree with". I would listen to what they recommended, but form my own opinion. There's usually more than one of them, anyway. This would only be temporary, until I have more experience as an admin, as I said further down the page. Den dodge T\C 20:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I, for one, would prefer that new admins do a lot more consulting before acting. Obviously not for everything, and independent judgment is a good thing, but in general - don't make a controversial block of a long-standing editor in your first week without possibly a third opinion. :-) Tan   &#124;   39  20:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I absolutely agree that going slow to start out is a good thing. Pretty much any reasonable admin probably did exactly that.  People learn how to do things by actually doing those things- Wikipedia is not magically different.  I just wanted to point out that there's a downside hidden in there, also.  We want admins who will be bold, but not too bold.  We want admins who will consult others when it's useful, but we don't want people who are afraid to press a button without someone telling them what to do.  It's all a balancing act.  My reservations here are due in part to young people being notoriously bad at dealing with situations requiring  judgement calls- they tend to prefer black and white rules.  Friday (talk) 21:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)