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Oppose discussion
Pulling over discussion that was getting lengthy in response to Dylan620. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Regretfully. I have a lot of respect for you, Matt, but I'm uneasy with the fact that you retired on August 30, and here you are seeking adminship only 3 weeks later. I'm sorry, Matt, but I don't think you have the prerequisite maturity for adminship. -- Dylan 620  (contribs, logs)help us! 13:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, I would like to hear what Julian (your coach) has to say. -- Dylan 620  (contribs, logs)help us! 14:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a curiosity for the future (as IMatthew should learn from the opposes) - how many weeks/months would you suggest someone wait after wanting to retire, temporarily retiring, and being convinced by a large group of people that he is absolutely necessary to stay so he undid the retirement and returned to his normal duties that he only left for a few hours? Ottava Rima (talk) 14:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, a few weeks to calm down doesn't hurt before running for RFA. Why are we arguing this? Mitch 32(The Password is... See here!) 14:05, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2x I would prefer at least 2 or 3 months between returning from retirement and seeking adminship. Seeking adminship only a couple weeks after retirement shows an unhealthy swing in dedication to Wikipedia, as evidenced by an old RfA nomination I did back in April (you can find it by looking through my project-space contribs for April 2009). -- Dylan 620  (contribs, logs)help us! 14:09, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh? That's a bit much. Mitch 32(The Password is... See here!) 14:13, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Dylan - would you mind if this continues onto the talk page? I would suggest a cut after your response to "Um, a few weeks to calm down" with a link follow that. Is that acceptable? Ottava Rima (talk) 14:14, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's perfectly OK. -- Dylan 620  (contribs, logs)help us! 14:19, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Now, based on what you stated above about a few months - is there a difference between say, someone who retired for a few hours or a day and someone who retired for a few months? Or do you see no difference between the two? Ottava Rima (talk) 14:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry to intrude, I won't get involved in the actual discussion, but I'm curious to why you're questioning Dylan on this? He's got a legitimate reason to oppose, one which I can understand (although I don't take the same view), so surely it's just a 'leave-it-at-that' or 'agree-to-disagree' situation? Regards, --— Cyclonenim | Chat 15:33, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * So that IMatthew would have an answer as to when he should wait and not feel as if this will come up as a problem again. If this RfA fails, the opposes are very important to turn to in order to figure out why. Thus, such questioning would help keep perspective on what kinds of problems may exist. It appears that Dylan has a comfortability problem with the timing, so the question helps determine what he thinks would be appropriate. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:39, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough :) Thanks for replying. Regards, --— Cyclonenim | Chat 17:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Statement
I had a feeling this would happen again. I'm clearly just not perfect, which is what you need to be to pass RfA today. I actually don't feel like going into detail about this, so I'm going to try and forget it ever happened. I don't think I'll be voting in RfA's anymore, though. I no longer wish to be a part of the RfA community.  iMatthew  talk  at 22:33, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunate. You are a good candidate for adminship, I find it shocking that people can't see that. Best of luck in what you do next. Regards, --— Cyclonenim | Chat 23:17, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you Cyclonenim. In regards to what comes next, I believe it's called switching my homepage to Facebook, and giving up city life for a life on the farm.  iMatthew  talk  at 23:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I think you are generally a good candidate. But given how recently you opposed UIS for retiring, coming back, and going for RfA, it seems highly hypocritical to do exactly the same thing yourself. And hypocrisy is the last thing the admin corps needs more of. → ROUX   ₪  02:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * However, that's not the case. The retirement was a personal issue, with myself feeling that I spend too much time on Wikipedia, and having a lot of negative feeling towards this place for occupying so damn much of my life. I decided that if I retire, I'll go back to my normal life, and should I ever have the desire, come back and edit some. I thought about it for a long time after, because I wasn't sure it's exactly what I wanted to do. After talking with some editors on IRC about the situation, they and I convinced myself to stick around, but balance out my schedule better, and spend a little less time on Wikipedia. I'm comfortable with the amount of time I now spend on here, and feel a lot better than I did a few weeks ago regarding the situation. My "retirement" was not supposed to attract a bunch of users screaming "oh my god, don't go, you're amazing, you rock, i love you." That seems to be what everyone expects you're getting at when you add the black box to your userpage, though that was not the case here. I infact was hoping that nobody was going to comment, and my exit would be made easily. But like I said, I didn't log out of IRC, and I chatted with some users on there for a while, who convinced me to stick around. With UIS's situation, I felt that between the way he left, and his conduct on IRC afterward, he was looking for some of those "oh my god, don't leave" comments, which I find undesirable in an administrator.  iMatthew  talk  at 02:35, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's fair enough, but the point--your point--remains: how do we know you're not going to retire again? Sorry, I know RfA can be a shithole, but you have to see how that isn't okay. → ROUX   ₪  02:51, 20 September 2009 (UTC)