Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Incnis Mrsi

"Not well"
I have to agree with jc37’s comment that I handled the situation not well. But I do not describe myself as a highly competent member of community. How frequently do Wikipedians, including highly competent ones (except those who work in mediation and arbitration) face eight unfriendly users and two indifferent officials who ignore objections and offer no help but derisive hints to ponies and allegedly weak experience, in a short stretch of time? I am a competent wiki user, and have necessary communication skills to account for my possible use of the tools, not more. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 10:10, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * What "eight unfriendly users" - do you mean the initial opposers, of which I was one? If you do, then I'd like to remind you that an oppose does not have to be unfriendly - I was opposed in my RFA by people I was friendly with, and supported by people I am not particualrly friendly with. It also suggest you cannot handle criticism well - something that is essential for an admin. Also, with all due respect, you do not have the "necessary communication skills." GiantSnowman 10:12, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * “Unfriendly” means “starting to bash me while being prompted to criticise me and, based on my response, cast votes”. I have necessary communication skills and can handle criticism “well” (I mean, in a way useful for building encyclopedia, not optimal to one’s ambitions). Most people who interacted with me know that I tell the truth here, not you. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 11:09, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you're damaging yourself here. I don't like the wording of how GiantSnowman concluded his !vote, but your countering does not help the matter. One should be able to deal cordially with editors that may appear difficult. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 12:38, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The brightest piece of irony in this eloquence is the fact that GiantSnowman currently has a sysop here, whereas I only applied for it. It is easy to scold a candidate, especially if s/he is not going to succeed. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 13:01, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * , what is wrong with the ending of my !vote? The editor mentions they have high-quality communication skills, I provide a diff showing they don't. GiantSnowman 13:21, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I did not find it constructive, that's all. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 13:54, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Communication is vital for an admin, and therefore it is only right that a candidate displays highly competent language skills - even more so if they are going to claim it as one of their strengths. GiantSnowman 13:59, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree completely, but I suppose the wording struck me as brusque. "You also seem to lack appropriate communication skills," full stop. It didn't seem constructive enough for me. Like for the example you linked to, what would be a better way to say that? "I will refrain from responding to votes. If you have any questions for me, please ask me in the 'Discussion' section or message me on my user talk page"? Or is it the general refrain that is problematic? Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 14:16, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * What you wrote? Great. What IM wrote? Much less so. GiantSnowman 14:22, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * "I do not describe myself as a highly competent member of community." - Then why the hell are you asking for adminship? --Onorem (talk) 13:37, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I already said, but I repeat personally for Onorem: I can do a valuable job. When I say “valuable” I mean that not so many sysops know well what are Unicode characters, what is IPv4, not all sysops care about edit histories and are able to apply WP:CSD safely, yes. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 14:54, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Very poor English
Could somebody present a ten of samples? Otherwise I’ll disregard Yngvadottir’s point, of course. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 14:54, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well the fact that you have asked for "a ten of samples" is enough to demonstrate poor English. GiantSnowman 14:56, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Learn to control your hatred, GiantSnowman. All en.wikipedia sees how you hate me. It sometimes looks rather ridiculous. If you do not believe me that your hatred is clearly noticeable, then request opinion of a third person off-wiki. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 17:17, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No need - I don't see "clearly noticeable hatred" towards you. I simply see someone being pretty blunt.  D u s t i *Let's talk!* 17:19, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * As Dusti says, if you could begin to see comments like this as pointers to things you might work on, rather than applying hyperbole like "All en.wikipedia sees how you hate me.", that would, honestly, be the best way forward for you. I've used the term "self awareness" below, and it really does seem to be lacking in much of what you post. Try to step back and see yourself as others do. It's not easy - but it's truly essential, especially in a medium like this where the typed words are all we have, and we are devoid of visual cues. I'm 100% certain you mean well, but you fail to communicate that with this kind of aggressive defence. Truly. Begoon &thinsp; talk  19:04, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * All of your posts (save one, perhaps) in the section above had problems with English grammar and/or syntax (lack of agreement, run-on sentences, misplaced or missing articles, etc). While not the basis for my oppose at all, your written English is obviously less than fluent. I really don't think this is a strong basis for an oppose for RFA (many uses of the tools are not in article space); conversely, lacking insight is part of the Big Problem with this RFA. -- Scray (talk) 18:01, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Is ‘When I say “valuable” I mean…’ a run-on sentence? Could one or more commas fix it? I cannot find anything else looking like a run-on sentence. I persistently have problems with articles and sometimes make errors in agreement, I know. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 18:59, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That one is problematic because of lack of parallel construction in a list of things that you believe many admins lack. That sentence has multiple problems, and would have been easier to read if you'd worded it this way: 'When I say “valuable” I mean that not so many sysops have inadequate knowledge of know well what are Unicode characters, what is IPv4, not all sysops care about edit histories, and are able to apply WP:CSD safely, yes ' (italics are insertions). Your second sentence in your first post (in the section above) also rambles, but does not fit a strict definition of run-on. I'm not really grading papers here, though. Your English is not easy to parse, and it might hamper your ability to deal with content disputes and communication, so you need to tread carefully in those areas. -- Scray (talk) 19:23, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * @: You clearly used very poor English in a reply where you asked people for examples of your use of very poor English. That will, inescapably, be seen as ironic. Like Scray, I don't see less than perfect English as a bar to adminship, but here you show a certain lack of self-awareness (for example in your eagerness to "disregard Yngvadottir’s point, of course") (my emphasis), and it does appear to reinforce the problems with your interactions that other editors have commented on. You do seem, on many occasions, aggressively defensive, and this is not generally considered a good thing for an editor, let alone an administrator. It's a trait I've noticed on other occasions. Begoon &thinsp; talk  18:43, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * What is wrong with my “of course”? I do not mean that Yngvadottir’s point is invalid because she is from “Oppose”, I mean I’ll disregard it because her criticism is unspecific, and probably exaggerated, and also contradicts to opinions of other users about my English. “Aggressively defensive”… accepted, I’ll fix it. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 18:59, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with it is the lack of empathy. For example, you might have said: "Could someone show me some examples of that?" And finished right there. No need to tell the other human being that you would "disregard (their opinion) of course". Consider how you would feel if told that. I hope that's helpful. Begoon &thinsp; talk  19:11, 7 August 2013 (UTC)